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Post by paca on Jul 5, 2011 7:57:06 GMT -5
Well, you never know. Maybe she knows that she can not conceive and that was her way to get out of it. Not conceiving is not a reason for an annulment. She also can not be forced to have a child. But if she refuses ever to have sex with Albert then in most countries the marriage is not valid. Even in German law you are obliged to have sex when married. Then again you have the law against rape within a marriage. So it's another legal absurdity because if you say that there is rape in a marriage and that sex has to be consented, then you can not have a law forcing you to have sex. That makes it a state authorized rape. On the other hand, if she did know that she could not conceive and hid this from Albert fully knowing that he would not marry her if she did not want or could not have children, then she signed in for marriage under false pretenses and THAT is grounds for an annulment.
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Post by hibou on Jul 5, 2011 8:16:54 GMT -5
In the marriage lessons from the Catholic church there is something called "The Marriage Debt" which means you are obligated to have sex with your husband. In taking the vows you in essence agree to honor the marriage debt. May be that's changed recently?
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Post by paca on Jul 5, 2011 8:32:30 GMT -5
I doubt that, but in civil law you have the rape in marriage. If you consider getting married as permanent consenting to sex, you could not have laws about rape in marriage. That's why those are only recent and the result of the feminist movement. I doubt that the Catholic church will have changed their views. So from their PoV not having sex would be reason for annulment (as it is btw with Muslims too...on both sides), but vis a vis the civil law it will not hold up. then again I am not current on Monaco law with regards to rape within marriage...
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Post by MyAdia on Jul 5, 2011 16:00:18 GMT -5
Charlene's cousins from Benoni wished her well in the Benoni Times. I stated this to several posters who became rather frustrated after trying to reason with sugar loonies - Charlene's family, friends, flunkies and Charlene herself (she's not as active now that she finally "sealed the deal") HUSTLE all these royal message boards for Charlene. So, if you run into say - someone named Nadine who joined a board even back in 2004 - don't waste your breath on these people - they are all just like Charlene!By the way, 2004 was the year that Conlene was bragging to everyone that she was going to be on a yacht at the Athens Olympics - even if she didn't make the swim team - and she didn't make the team. But, later one of her friends told Bunte that Charlene was on a yacht with Albert in Athens. Charlene was always Albert's booty call until she hit pay dirt in December 2005 - Albert needed a distraction fro the then 2nd baby-mama drama plying out in the media.
Charlene's cousins wish her well before big day
Charlene Wittstock's cousins from Benoni, Nadine, Anton, Elna, Carl and Eric Wittstock, are wishing her the best for the future in her marriage to Prince Albert.
by Clyde Meela 01 July 2011 The message was sent to the Benoni City Times via Facebook and reads: "Hi Charlene, it is your cousin Nadine Wittstock, best of wishes for your wedding day, we are all thinking of you.
"All the best for the future, love Anton, Elna, Carl, Chantal and Eric."
You, too, can a write message for Charlene and Prince Albert on our Facebook page (looklocalbenoni), or visit our office at the Northmead Square, in Northmead, to write your message in a special message book.
The book will be given to Charlene in Durban, next week.
You have until Monday, July 4, at 9.30am to do so.
The rest of the Benoni City Times article is about the details of the wedding.
The article was accompanied with this photo - one from photo shoot that Charlene did on the same day that she visited an orphan.
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Post by MyAdia on Jul 5, 2011 16:10:48 GMT -5
Another article from the Benoni City Times - this one about Sylvia Wittstock, Charlene's grandmother - who she saw last February for the first time in four years. Charlene was not interested in going back to Benoni. Now, I'm sure we will see in the upcoming future a huge Benoni homecoming - with her huge publicity team. From the Benoni City Times:
Princess Charlene's grandmother celebrates her wedding in Benoni by Clyde Meela 04 July 2011 Princess Charlene of Monaco's emotional 89-year-old grandmother, Sylvia Wittstock, was speechless when Andre Naude, the manager of Rynpark 4, presented her with flowers and a high tea party to celebrate her granddaughter's royal wedding.
She said; "I can't say thank you enough, I am so happy today I don't even know how to say thank you.
"Charlene is a wonderful little girl, she is a very nice person and I wish both her and the prince all the happiness in the world.
"I have never heard anyone say anything bad about her I love her and all of my grandchildren."
Jokingly Sylvia believes that she is also a princess simply because of what happened to her husband, Kennedy Wittstock.
Kennedy served in Somaliland, Abyssinia and in the Western Desert, fighting against Rommel, in Lybia, in 1941.
At Sidi Rezegh, an enemy shell exploded next to him and he suffered terrible wounds to his arms, shoulder, face and eyes.
Shrapnel pierced his face below the eye and lodged in his jaw.
Before losing consciousness from the explosion, he managed to tie a cloth around his arm to stop the loss of blood.
His comrades left him for dead, but little did they know that Wittstock would survive the explosion.
A German soldier, who carried him to a military mobile field hospital, later picked him up.
Some time after the battle Wittstock was reported killed, and his mother, back in Durban, was informed of his "death".
A memorial service was held for him at St Mary's Church in Durban.
During all this time no one even entertained the idea of Wittstock surviving the explosion.
At one stage during his trials and tribulations, Wittstock cut off his back pocket from his shorts to write a Christmas message to his mother back home in South Africa.
This was the only material a 22-year-old soldier could use to write on, and he wanted to wish his mother a merry Christmas.
After some time he was transferred to a hospital in Cairo, in Egypt.
News of his survival soon got around and the miracle of his return from the dead had to be told to his mother.
The news was delivered by the same church minister who initially informed her of his death.
When the minister arrived at the home of his mother, who had six of her seven sons in the services, she thought he was bringing news of another death.
This time, however, the minister was the bearer of good news, about her son returning from the dead.
"It was God who brought my husband back from the 'dead", if he did not come back, I would not have had Charlene's father Mike and without Mike, they would be no Princess Charlene, so that is why I am the real princess," said Sylvia Wittstock
She asked to watch the wedding of her granddaughter by herself when the clock hit 3.30pm.
She will be celebrating her 90th birthday on August 12 this year. More on Princess Charlene.
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Post by smt on Jul 5, 2011 17:31:15 GMT -5
So, let me get this right ... Trampolina didn't invite her grandmother nor her cousins to her wedding?
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Post by mrplowfan on Jul 5, 2011 17:48:05 GMT -5
OMG, now Grandma claims she's a Princess? If that's the case dear, it's Eve - not you.
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Post by cm7007 on Jul 5, 2011 18:52:11 GMT -5
A theory: So what if she spread the rumors herself, maybe even knowing they are true - because she knows PA cheated (duh!). And she staged this whole thing so she'd have a reason to "not get pregnant" - because she knows she can't because she is , as I've always suspected IMO a hermaphrodite. She's had her big wedding day, her face plastered all over the place, she had her press, she's got her cash and title - if DNA is positive for PA - she can simply demand to annul the marriage or divorce - and on her terms - she'll keep a lot - I doubt the title - but she thinks she'll get the sympathy of everybody -(Ha!) and she has more fame than she ever imagined. No one ever has to know she can't conceive! And in today's society - fame - seems to be the end game for everyone - doesn't matter how or why one is famous - just famous!
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Post by cm7007 on Jul 5, 2011 18:55:27 GMT -5
In the marriage lessons from the Catholic church there is something called "The Marriage Debt" which means you are obligated to have sex with your husband. In taking the vows you in essence agree to honor the marriage debt. May be that's changed recently? In the Catholic church - if one refuses to have sex then one is in essence refusing to have children - refusing to try and have children is grounds for annulment.
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Post by hibou on Jul 5, 2011 19:01:01 GMT -5
So, let me get this right ... Trampolina didn't invite her grandmother nor her cousins to her wedding? Yup and ole Al could have had her flown there in a private jet and well taken care of. On the other hand, I've always said Charlene would push ole granny down a hill into traffic if it was to her advantage. I would have demanded that my Grandmother attend at all cost. This is really cold-blooded. Shame on Charlene and her family. Kate and William were even inviting the neighbors and the family store keeper. JMO
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Post by cm7007 on Jul 5, 2011 19:02:41 GMT -5
So, let me get this right ... Trampolina didn't invite her grandmother nor her cousins to her wedding? Protocol, don't you know! Maybe that's why PA's American relatives didn't come. CW said if my family can't come - neither can yours!
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Post by smt on Jul 5, 2011 21:26:18 GMT -5
So, let me get this right ... Trampolina didn't invite her grandmother nor her cousins to her wedding? Yup and ole Al could have had her flown there in a private jet and well taken care of. On the other hand, I've always said Charlene would push ole granny down a hill into traffic if it was to her advantage. I would have demanded that my Grandmother attend at all cost. This is really cold-blooded. Shame on Charlene and her family. Kate and William were even inviting the neighbors and the family store keeper. JMO Absolutely ... private jet, private nurses ... you name it and Grandma could have gotten it! What a cold, calculating bitch! As if we already didn't know that about Trampolina?!
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Post by margarita on Jul 6, 2011 0:34:21 GMT -5
So, let me get this right ... Trampolina didn't invite her grandmother nor her cousins to her wedding? I'm wondering too! Families work out differently - there is not always big harmony and it is "simply life" if you have a good relationship to only some cousins, aunts, uncles, to only one of two grandmas ect. But Charlene didn't visit her family for years!!! (at least as far as we know but she would have let us known if she was there "strong family sence ect. - you know " The same with friends: they come and go - but who of us hasn't got some really old good friends? Charlene seems to have left everyone behind - or never had friends, only mates. Maids of honor she barely knows ! It is sad enough - but my stomach is having a really hard time when I hear or read Charlene talk about "eeeeh, very strong family sense, you know...". Really sick!
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Post by duchesscornflower on Jul 6, 2011 8:47:59 GMT -5
Yup and ole Al could have had her flown there in a private jet and well taken care of. On the other hand, I've always said Charlene would push ole granny down a hill into traffic if it was to her advantage. I would have demanded that my Grandmother attend at all cost. This is really cold-blooded. Shame on Charlene and her family. Kate and William were even inviting the neighbors and the family store keeper. JMO Absolutely ... private jet, private nurses ... you name it and Grandma could have gotten it! What a cold, calculating bitch! As if we already didn't know that about Trampolina?! Not all 90 year olds are able or willing to travel. I work with the geriatric population and while some may be fit to do just about anything, at 90 years old it is rare. Maybe she didn't want to travel.
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Post by emmeline on Jul 6, 2011 9:19:15 GMT -5
Absolutely ... private jet, private nurses ... you name it and Grandma could have gotten it! What a cold, calculating bitch! As if we already didn't know that about Trampolina?! Not all 90 year olds are able or willing to travel. I work with the geriatric population and while some may be fit to do just about anything, at 90 years old it is rare. Maybe she didn't want to travel. Yes, that is understandable. But...what about her cousins? uncles, aunts? That's odd. It seems like she doesn't have a strong family ties with them. Unless they have gone and no paparazzi recognized them (which i don't think it would have happen...)
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Post by countess on Jul 6, 2011 9:51:01 GMT -5
So, let me get this right ... Trampolina didn't invite her grandmother nor her cousins to her wedding? that IMO tells all there needs to be said about tramolina, to not invite family is beyond the limits. good grief REALLY!!! i love them coming forward like this, nice bit of passive-aggression and not helping PR at all, if everyone's first thought is why didn't she invite her grandmother and cousins REALLY WTH?? i'd wondere if any of the kellys were at the wedding, do you think they weren't invited or didn't want to see a trainwreck? plenty of mention how odd none of them had made a statement AT ALL.
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Post by refia on Jul 6, 2011 13:10:04 GMT -5
Article from "Freizeit Revue" The Family Wittstock (Gareth is on the right side) Charlene with a swim fellow in Durban; Lynette with her kids and the grandparents. I didn´t scanned the other side, because there were just pics of Albert. The article says how hard Charlene had to fight for everything, while Albert got anything from the begin. Then again the story with the early swimming at 4 (which was difficult to handle with all the school) and that her parents rewarded it with visits in the Krüger National park, where the kids loved to see the animals. That was all.
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Post by margarita on Jul 6, 2011 15:43:04 GMT -5
A theory: So what if she spread the rumors herself, maybe even knowing they are true - because she knows PA cheated (duh!). And she staged this whole thing so she'd have a reason to "not get pregnant" - because she knows she can't because she is , as I've always suspected IMO a hermaphrodite. She's had her big wedding day, her face plastered all over the place, she had her press, she's got her cash and title - if DNA is positive for PA - she can simply demand to annul the marriage or divorce - and on her terms - she'll keep a lot - I doubt the title - but she thinks she'll get the sympathy of everybody -(Ha!) and she has more fame than she ever imagined. No one ever has to know she can't conceive! And in today's society - fame - seems to be the end game for everyone - doesn't matter how or why one is famous - just famous! ... well possible. she just didn't assume it would backfire so much ;D ;D ;D There comes a time when enough is enough ... smart people don't miss this moment...
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Post by donna on Jul 8, 2011 5:24:17 GMT -5
Did you read what her father said about his daugther marrying Fatal. "It's like winning the World Cup!" For them it is all about a competition.
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Post by hibou on Jul 8, 2011 6:54:48 GMT -5
Absolutely ... private jet, private nurses ... you name it and Grandma could have gotten it! What a cold, calculating bitch! As if we already didn't know that about Trampolina?! Not all 90 year olds are able or willing to travel. I work with the geriatric population and while some may be fit to do just about anything, at 90 years old it is rare. Maybe she didn't want to travel. I understand what you are saying, I have an "elderly" Mother, but if my daughter were getting married, my Mother would get on that plane come hell or high water, and her health is fragile right now. I just remember the article with Granny in it around the time of Turin. She was SO proud of Charlene. What I have noticed is that as someone turns into their 80's or even 90's, it's family that counts and the little things. My Mother loves my breakfast muffins so I'm always baking them and taking them to her to put in her freezer so she can pull them out when she wants them. I also take her meals that I know she won't cook for herself. So I have a hard time believing that with a paid staff to put her on the plane and a nurse like smt said, that she couldn't have been there. May be not in the heat on the day of the wedding but at least present in Monaco and for a few photo ops with her granddaughter. Just being near all the activity and reception, would have made her Granny so happy.
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