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Post by Elektra on Apr 19, 2011 3:58:48 GMT -5
I hope this is not a case of a woman seeking media attention for whatever reason. Because if, it will give all the women who press charges in a true case of date rape (even after a long time) a bad reputation. What bothers me is the fact that the serious press has not picked up on this. That can mean two things. Either there is no case at all or the power of PA over the press is greater than we all thought. Not matter how you look at it, it is creepy!
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Post by MadameConcorde on Apr 19, 2011 5:00:35 GMT -5
Not to sound pro-Albert in this story but I will say that this woman is no innocent. She knew.
It's been well known for many years here in the area that Prince Albert had the wild parties on the yachts while there were paid/dubious women on board, the same as it is known that Caroline's children had it with drugs.
Drugs are the number one problem in Monaco, cocaine in particular. I don't think much is being done to tackle this problem or it would all be done with already. Everybody who is a bit informed knows where the drugs can be found. It's easy, just some clubs and bars. It's the Riviera thing from St Trop to Monaco and beyond.
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Post by donna on Apr 19, 2011 5:15:59 GMT -5
I understand what you are saying. True, she admitted being picked up at the train station to "join" Fatal on the yacht. She even sat on the back of a scooter to get there. How low can you go to get to a bald fat ugly man with money. BUT - it sounds as she was drugged with the rape drug, where the woman becomes paralysed and then falls asleep. She couldn't resist when they took her clothes off. She fell asleep and woke up with Fatal homping on her. Who homps on anyone when they are asleep? Only a sickminded person. I believe her. I believe that she blamed herself for all these years and now after getting psychological help, she realised that it wasn't her fault. Happens all the time.
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Post by donna on Apr 19, 2011 5:19:51 GMT -5
If this is true, then I don´t see a rosy future for Albert. Which Royal wants to be friendly with a pervert? He doesn't give a hoot about royals. He likes the company of other immoral psychopants.
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Post by donna on Apr 19, 2011 5:23:28 GMT -5
I'm so interested in seeing how this plays out. If this is true not even the wedding will be change all the bad PR that Albert is going to get. I hope more women will come forward. And make the british royals cancel their invitation to the wedding. Wouldn't that be hilarious?
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Post by donna on Apr 19, 2011 5:28:40 GMT -5
I think the most bothersome thing about this situation is that we all have doubts as to who to believe. The fact that we have these doubts did he or didn't he really speaks to the character problem with Albert. In reality we should have no doubt that this situation could even remotely be possible, yet some of us do. In the end the fact that there is doubt speaks volumes. I have no doubts!
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Post by paca on Apr 19, 2011 5:55:01 GMT -5
Not to sound pro-Albert in this story but I will say that this woman is no innocent. She knew. It's been well known for many years here in the area that Prince Albert had the wild parties on the yachts while there were paid/dubious women on board, the same as it is known that Caroline's children had it with drugs. Drugs are the number one problem in Monaco, cocaine in particular. I don't think much is being done to tackle this problem or it would all be done with already. Everybody who is a bit informed knows where the drugsiàmç)p can be found. It's easy, just some clubs and bars. It's the Riviera thing from St Trop to Monaco and beyond. LOL true, I never had anything to do with drugs, but if you go to the women toilet in Sass, you could get high without buying any there are other places where you can get light drugs, but if you are interested in getting drugs, it's easy. For an addict it's the place to be. I believe the English church has a a druggies anonymous nowadays, at least I read the leaflet, when they started it. Alcohol addiction is another major problem as it goes mostly unnoticed because everyone seems to be always drinking and partying.^the yachts are the worst, especially when they go out, as there is no danger of police control. If the surete was serious about stopping dealing and using, they could be done in a week. instead they call ahead to let people know they are coming....
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Post by paca on Apr 19, 2011 5:59:12 GMT -5
The reason FATAL wants to give away all his money before his dies is to put one last screw into the two innocent kids who had no choice but to be related to him. He'll leave money for his and CHARTARD's test tube babies but nothing for his "weakness of the flesh" real children. He's a disgusting bastard. If he did rape this girl, I hope she presses charges and goes to the press - more than Eringer. If there's one, there are more. there won't be anything left to give away, once the whitestocks are done with him
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Post by mrplowfan on Apr 19, 2011 6:06:16 GMT -5
Is this a new thing, though? I lived in Lourdes, France (I studied to be a nun, laugh now) in the late 60s, early 70s. The skirts were short and there were a lot of drugs then (just not where I was...although I was aware of it).
The rich seem to have issues with drugs more so than the poorer folks. They can afford it. I can think of many current "socialites" who have these issues - Paris Hilton, Lindsay, etc. What about Charlene? Anyone hear rumors of her having issues like that?
As far as the rape. I'm on the fence. Women often take a while to come forward. Some refuse to believe they were raped for years trying to convince themselves otherwise. Date rape drugs are commonly used and have virtually no taste. As I told my daughter. Watch your drink being made and if you put it down it's gone. Albert doesn't treat women well, that's been pretty much all over the press since he was in college (I want to swear I read a story that had a sign with "Princess" applications on his dorm room door). Is it feasible, yes. I wonder if this will open some floodgates....that could be the end of his lilly white image.
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Post by paca on Apr 19, 2011 8:40:16 GMT -5
LOL Albert's image has been far from lilly white for a long time...people had hopes for him still, because Rainier was wild in his youth as well and then came around... but he was disciplined and as tough on himself as he was on others. I have seen him on duty, when he was so sick any normal person would have stayed home for a week at least. Albert had a bit more discipline with his dad around, at least with regards to his duties. Now that he is boss,he doesn't care any more. he is a weakling in full bloom and a complainer who always finds someone else to take responsibility for him. I'm just surprised that he never claimed that the baby mamas raped him or stole his sperm (like the twat Boris Becker did)......
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Post by mrplowfan on Apr 19, 2011 8:53:54 GMT -5
He did claim in an interview Nicole 'tricked' him and implied she raped him. He told Eringer later that it was "weakness of the flesh". Fool me once....but three times (that we know of?!). He could have put a condom on it. For some reason he seems to be the Teflon Prince. If anyone else had sued a US blogger in French court, the media would have been all over it because of the rights involved. Not one media outlet noted that Albert sued over TRUE material and got it removed. Now media aren't reporting on this story because they are concerned for their wedding credentials? WTF?
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Post by hibou on Apr 19, 2011 8:55:04 GMT -5
LOL Albert's image has been far from lilly white for a long time...people had hopes for him still, because Rainier was wild in his youth as well and then came around... but he was disciplined and as tough on himself as he was on others. I have seen him on duty, when he was so sick any normal person would have stayed home for a week at least. Albert had a bit more discipline with his dad around, at least with regards to his duties. Now that he is boss,he doesn't care any more. he is a weakling in full bloom and a complainer who always finds someone else to take responsibility for him. I'm just surprised that he never claimed that the baby mamas raped him or stole his sperm (like the twat Boris Becker did)...... LOL OMG paca I never thought of that one. Albert was raped by the babymamas. karma for that one!
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Post by hibou on Apr 19, 2011 9:01:31 GMT -5
The fact that it sounds like she was given a date rape drug puts the burden of responsibility on Albert since she was in no condition to say no until she came too. Going on the yacht was her first big mistake, but then the question is did she really know what she was in for? If they had to give her a date rape drug than I would say she was clueless as to what she was walking into on that boat.
Lastly do we believe her story or is she just another woman taking advantage of dumb Albert. It's hard not to believe her when you look at Albert's past history. Who is responsible for this mess? Albert ultimately because he has allowed himself to be put in the position with all these women. The most damning is the yacht girl photos taken during that same time frame. Show them to a jury and they are going to side with with woman. JMO
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Post by mrplowfan on Apr 19, 2011 9:06:31 GMT -5
I've reread this several times over the last two days thinking it over.
The other side? If she'd filed suit immediately looking for money it might have hurt her credibility. In this case, Albert's powerful in the region. The case will be swept under the rug and she knows it. There's no justice for her. She will be torn apart by Albert and his friends. I doubt she gets anything from lying. Plus her story has stayed the same and she originally told her story to Eringer under oath and it has not changed. She's nothing to gain here and a lot to lose.
The nude photo I remember was in Hustler and I want to swear my daughter was young at the time. That photo was years ago. Still there are a lot of photos of Albert and women on yachts and most of the time the women are nude.
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Post by axelle on Apr 19, 2011 9:36:16 GMT -5
Does anyone recall an incidence on Eringer's blog time back when PA and his friend Michael McNamara got into an "exchange" at Sass Cafe? Seems as PA ignored McNamara and he got mad, threw a glass of wine on him, the bodyguards got into it. But McNamara made some remark about all the women they shared....... I found the link...... www.eringer33.com/2010/09/royal-skuffle.htmlThis was quite a remark to make.....fits with this story....
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Post by hibou on Apr 19, 2011 9:49:25 GMT -5
Here is where things get complicated. Many women without financial means are taken advantage of by wealthy men. Few are smart enough like Nicole, Tamara and Charlene, to turn the tables and get the ultimate pay back. I have sadly heard stories like hers before. It's a bit Gadsby-like, but there is truth to the F. Scott Fitzgerald statement that the rich are different. Most of these women never report the rapes because they are too ashamed and because the first words out of their mouths are "no one will believe me because they will think I was trying to take advantage of him for the money". The fact that she was told that if she stayed quiet they would help her publish her book and was most likely told she couldn't prove any thing happened was a way to keep her silent. All this time, they thought they had gotten away with it. Donna said it best. It happens all the time, and sadly it does. We don't have all facts in this case, but I'm still willing to bet that if this were in the US and Albert was an influential Senator, they press would be all over this digging into the truth. We would know the facts quickly because the press wouldn't stop digging until they had answers. Is it a case like the Duke Lacrosse players who were innocent or is she telling the truth and it really happened. Unfortunately, this woman will not get her day in court and the matter will remain a mystery as to what really happened and a cloud over Albert's head. That alone might be justice. JMO
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Post by paca on Apr 19, 2011 10:20:06 GMT -5
The fact that it sounds like she was given a date rape drug puts the burden of responsibility on Albert since she was in no condition to say no until she came too. Going on the yacht was her first big mistake, but then the question is did she really know what she was in for? If they had to give her a date rape drug than I would say she was clueless as to what she was walking into on that boat. Lastly do we believe her story or is she just another woman taking advantage of dumb Albert. It's hard not to believe her when you look at Albert's past history. Who is responsible for this mess? Albert ultimately because he has allowed himself to be put in the position with all these women. The most damning is the yacht girl photos taken during that same time frame. Show them to a jury and they are going to side with with woman. JMO first of all she is from the area,that way she should have known that it is a bad idea to go on a yacht as a single woman with someone you barely know. it doesn't matter whether they are a public figure and you think they behave because they fear the scandal. they don't behave and they don't think of any scandal until after the facts. Secondly she was at the time way too old claim being naive. My guess is that like most people she was blinded by the offer to go on a yacht AND with a prince and that made her ignore all precaution she might have taken if a complete stranger would have asked her to go to his apartment. She is not a stunner either, so she probably felt doubly flattered to be even asked (similar to mousy high school girl being asked out by the popular quarterback) and seeing that she is not very successfully living of her art, she probably got her hopes up that she would be benefiting one way or the other. So she was in many ways an easy target. That is no excuse for rape, but she put herself in a position in which she would be easy prey. If you walk late at night alone in the most dangerous part of your city, with expensive jewelry well showing and without any obvious necessity for you to be there, you should not be surprised to be mugged. That doesn't make the mugging less of a crime as if it happened at a different time in a different location, but you have to admit that you provided an easy opportunity for it to happen. Unlike what people might think, most criminals prefer the easy target, the one that doesn't fight back and a lot of crimes happen without premeditation, just seizing the opportunity that presented itself. They want minimum risk for maximum result. And even those who premeditate their crimes try to minimize the risk to themselves. And date drugs are very hard to detect, even briefly after the fact. Where they get the fun to even do it is probably a secret among men. IMO a plastic doll would be sufficient too, but then again Albert is marrying one, so I guess that's what he wants....
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Post by paca on Apr 19, 2011 10:23:58 GMT -5
I've reread this several times over the last two days thinking it over. The other side? If she'd filed suit immediately looking for money it might have hurt her credibility. In this case, Albert's powerful in the region. The case will be swept under the rug and she knows it. There's no justice for her. She will be torn apart by Albert and his friends. I doubt she gets anything from lying. Plus her story has stayed the same and she originally told her story to Eringer under oath and it has not changed. She's nothing to gain here and a lot to lose. The nude photo I remember was in Hustler and I want to swear my daughter was young at the time. That photo was years ago. Still there are a lot of photos of Albert and women on yachts and most of the time the women are nude. Halliday is way more important then Albert in France and still someone tried. UNder oath to Eringer? Since when has he become anyone that would make an oath legally valid. An oath in front of him or you and me has the same value: NONE.
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Post by paca on Apr 19, 2011 10:41:24 GMT -5
Here is where things get complicated. Many women without financial means are taken advantage of by wealthy men. Few are smart enough like Nicole, Tamara and Charlene, to turn the tables and get the ultimate pay back. I have sadly heard stories like hers before. It's a bit Gadsby-like, but there is truth to the F. Scott Fitzgerald statement that the rich are different. Most of these women never report the rapes because they are too ashamed and because the first words out of their mouths are "no one will believe me because they will think I was trying to take advantage of him for the money". The fact that she was told that if she stayed quiet they would help her publish her book and was most likely told she couldn't prove any thing happened was a way to keep her silent. All this time, they thought they had gotten away with it. Donna said it best. It happens all the time, and sadly it does. We don't have all facts in this case, but I'm still willing to bet that if this were in the US and Albert was an influential Senator, they press would be all over this digging into the truth. We would know the facts quickly because the press wouldn't stop digging until they had answers. Is it a case like the Duke Lacrosse players who were innocent or is she telling the truth and it really happened. Unfortunately, this woman will not get her day in court and the matter will remain a mystery as to what really happened and a cloud over Albert's head. That alone might be justice. JMO I'd be careful about the press digging into the truth. Most press/media has no interest in the truth, especially with stories like these. They have an interest for tomorrows headline or the opening story in the news. They are selling a story and they sell whichever sells best. There is not interest in the victim or the criminal. The only thing is which story is most credible and best to sell to the audience. They all know who their audience are and cater for them. None of it is real. It's a business and at the end of the day what counts is the money in the cashier, not the feelings that got hurt or lives that got destroyed to get it there.
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Post by royalpauper on Apr 19, 2011 12:38:29 GMT -5
Welcome back PACA! Bystander thanks for posting both articles on Albert's "Use and Abuse" of young women. I believe this woman. She might have been naive/dumb to board the yacht, (especially if she know Albert's true nature, but I think she didn't), there is no excuse for what Albert and his friends did to her. Albert is a rapist and sex addict of worst kind. I have heard the stories from a friend who is a very close to Albert's publicist (who used to scout for young girls and organize orgies for Albert) here in LA from a years ago. He (the publicist) told my friend that Albert is a "really, really f*cking sick man, in a sexual way" (those were his words). Albert needs to be not only charged but also prosecuted and put in a jail.
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