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Post by emmeline on May 7, 2011 18:21:35 GMT -5
Albert should have married long time ago, so by now he would be divorced, with kids about the Trio's age. Or at least the age would be between Louis age and Andrea's. Now, supposing he marries Charlene, and she gets pregnant in the hooneymoon...the kid would be born in 2012, with Albert being 54. The kid would be 20 and Albert 74, the kid would party a lot and would give a damn about ruling the Principality... No, it's not the solution.
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Post by paca on May 7, 2011 19:00:11 GMT -5
yes, considering what he is marrying now, he could have had that 25 years ago. At least then he could have blamed it on youth if it failed. It would have forced him into taking responsibilities, making decisions beyond his own wishes and might have been helpful to him in the succession of his father. So even a failed marriage could have produced sth good. It would have provided life experience and the opportunity to learn. Now failure is predictable and no positive will be drawn from this...
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Post by margarita on Jun 26, 2011 9:39:06 GMT -5
khillarae - I think for the momant CW might stop and take the last exit before the wedding for two reasons: a) the rumor about the two year old child is true (or any other children Albert has fathered while being officially already with CW as his "official companion") - this would destroy the faux fairy tale story in the eyes of the world b) because she realized (with a little help... ) that after the wedding a real torture will begin for her with much more pressure, more duties and work and much higher expectations PLUS consequences such as bad press in case she doesn't meet the expectations. I guess the engagement time was the happiest time of her life so far: Finally a status, a lot of people sucking up to her, media attention, expensive cloth while the expectations where - close to zero!!!Not even the disaster of engagement interview or her unability/ unwillingness to learn French so far had any consequences! = minimum efford for maximum advantage. AFTER 01.07. all will be different: People will ask questions they didn't ask so far. And will have expectations that go beyond a heir. And thats where the torture begins. So far Stahl & momy Wittstock & Co. told her it is enough to wave from a balcony wrapped in expensive clothes. While we all know it isn't. And ... (I bet) the media builded her up to write her down. Maybe she uses the new child (or only the rumor!!!) as an excuse to take the jackpot and leave SUBITO. IF she is clever
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Post by paca on Jun 26, 2011 10:01:24 GMT -5
Sorry to burst your bubble, but she won't be going anywhere. If she leaves before Friday, she will not get any money. If she is lucky she can keep the clothes. Not only would the palace not let her go, but her own family that has gotten used to sponging off Albert will not let her go anywhere. Mommy will stay close by to make sure her daughter get's married and stays married, no matter how often Albert cheats on her, how many children he has outside marriage, how many sexually transmitted illnesses he brings home to her and how unhappy and disrespected she will be by everyone around her. CW is the mealticket for half of SA. SHe can't go anywhere. They won't let her. I am serious when I say that this woman will be in a very short time be at the end of what she can bear and be admitted into a psychiatric ward. They will not let her out. At the moment she does not want to, but when she wants to, there will be so much pressure on her to stay in the marriage that a suicide would not surprise me at all. CW is not as strong as she thinks or is made out to be. She will have a worse life then Masako.
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Post by MyAdia on Jun 26, 2011 10:03:47 GMT -5
khillarae - I think for the momant CW might stop and take the last exit before the wedding for two reasons: a) the rumor about the two year old child is true (or any other children Albert has fathered while being officially already with CW as his "official companion") - this would destroy the faux fairy tale story in the eyes of the world b) because she realized (with a little help... ) that after the wedding a real torture will begin for her with much more pressure, more duties and work and much higher expectations PLUS consequences such as bad press in case she doesn't meet the expectations. Margarita, you keep saying that it is beneficial to Charlene to call off this wedding and cite examples, but your examples do not pertain to Chalrene at all! You are forgetting or perhaps just do not understand is that Charlene has known from the beginning (actually from 2000) that she is marrying a man who does not love her, who has had other women throughout their dating history, and who will be Princess of a counbtry in which most of the people do not like her. Charlene has always known this and she still wants to marry Albert becasue her laternative is - NOTHING! NO FAME - NO PHOTOGRAPHERS -NO MAGAZINE COVERS - NO ENDLESS AMOUNT OF MONEY TO BUY AS MUCH DESIGNER CLOTHES AS SHE WANTS - NO PEOPLE KISSING HER ASS - NO EXTREME LIFE OF LUXURY - NO FIRST CLASS LIVING AND FIRST CLASS SEATS AT ALL EVENTS - AND - MOST OF ALL NO HER SERENE HIGHNESS PRINCESS CHARLENE OF MONACO title.So, I really do not understand why you are persistent in your calls for Charlene to call of this wedding because it is in her best interest. How is giving up all of the above in Charlene's best interest? Do you understand who Charlene is? Do you know her background?
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Post by margarita on Jun 26, 2011 10:23:53 GMT -5
khillarae - I think for the momant CW might stop and take the last exit before the wedding for two reasons: a) the rumor about the two year old child is true (or any other children Albert has fathered while being officially already with CW as his "official companion") - this would destroy the faux fairy tale story in the eyes of the world b) because she realized (with a little help... ) that after the wedding a real torture will begin for her with much more pressure, more duties and work and much higher expectations PLUS consequences such as bad press in case she doesn't meet the expectations. Margarita, you keep saying that it is beneficial to Charlene to call off this wedding and cite examples, but your examples do not pertain to Chalrene at all! You are forgetting or perhaps just do not understand is that Charlene has known from the beginning (actually from 2000) that she is marrying a man who does not love her, who has had other women throughout their dating history, and who will be Princess of a counbtry in which most of the people do not like her. Charlene has always known this and she still wants to marry Albert becasue her laternative is - NOTHING! NO FAME - NO PHOTOGRAPHERS -NO MAGAZINE COVERS - NO ENDLESS AMOUNT OF MONEY TO BUY AS MUCH DESIGNER CLOTHES AS SHE WANTS - NO PEOPLE KISSING HER ASS - NO EXTREME LIFE OF LUXURY - NO FIRST CLASS LIVING AND FIRST CLASS SEATS AT ALL EVENTS - AND - MOST OF ALL NO HER SERENE HIGHNESS PRINCESS CHARLENE OF MONACO title.So, I really do not understand why you are persistent in your calls for Charlene to call of this wedding because it is in her best interest. How is giving up all of the above in Charlene's best interest? Do you understand who Charlene is? Do you know her background? Well ... I'm afraid you are right MyaDia She is really so brainblond and desperate to get this Pyrrhic victory I still believe(d) there is a bit of common sense in her - or at least in some of the people she trusts (like her mom?). She has the maximum of what she can get and what works for her NOW ... until next Thursday. Charlene is much more silly than I thought if she doesn't understand this.
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Post by khillaree on Jun 26, 2011 10:30:50 GMT -5
Sorry to burst your bubble, but she won't be going anywhere. If she leaves before Friday, she will not get any money. If she is lucky she can keep the clothes. Not only would the palace not let her go, but her own family that has gotten used to sponging off Albert will not let her go anywhere. Mommy will stay close by to make sure her daughter get's married and stays married, no matter how often Albert cheats on her, how many children he has outside marriage, how many sexually transmitted illnesses he brings home to her and how unhappy and disrespected she will be by everyone around her. CW is the mealticket for half of SA. SHe can't go anywhere. They won't let her. I am serious when I say that this woman will be in a very short time be at the end of what she can bear and be admitted into a psychiatric ward. They will not let her out. At the moment she does not want to, but when she wants to, there will be so much pressure on her to stay in the marriage that a suicide would not surprise me at all. CW is not as strong as she thinks or is made out to be. She will have a worse life then Masako. I don't think that she is wanted to leave... It is the way it controls Albert: the emotional blackmail. Yes, she will be unfortunate, yes there will be the other children with the other women, she will owe and will adapt of all the albert's infidelities. ALBERT too much invested in Charlene to leave her. Furthermore, he does not want to be supposed to be for an idiot if Charlene leave him. Thus although it happens, she will be his wife... Albert will say to her : " stay beautiful and keep silent "
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Post by margarita on Jun 26, 2011 10:36:22 GMT -5
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Post by axelle on Jun 26, 2011 10:38:09 GMT -5
I totally agree with MyaDia and Khillaree - she knows. And she knows more than we know and we know enough but she has been in it first hand. Her only aim is to land the marriage - then the real problems will hit the fan.
From the looks of the interviews it seems as thought the dawn is coming tho and she is not so confident that all the plastic surgery did the job. There is a lot more to it than smile and look photogenic....they can't microchip her brain!
Might be a Diana moment in her future! Martin Bashir are you reading???
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Post by paca on Jun 26, 2011 11:33:37 GMT -5
except that CW will be much lonelier then Diana and people will have much less sympathy for her. Diana was much younger at the time and thus more easily forgiven for being naive. Plus Charles did not go so very public with his personal life nor did he have illigit children... Also I still think that Charles treated Diana in public with a lot more respect then Albert ever did treat CW. And although they were divorced, it was him who went to Paris and not the SPencers. I don't think that Mme Goebbels would even know what to do if anything like that would ever happen. Even when Diana started mudslinging, he did not say anything bad about her. He never held her infidelities, her mood swings and her being manipulative and running to the press every 5 minutes against her. Albert on the contrary complained about being tricked by Nicole...surprisingly he didn't claim that she drugged and raped him in order to avoid having to take his share of the responsibility. If CW should ever leave and dish, then they will not leave a good hair on her. No matter if that makes Albert look just as bad. Albert has no concept of honor, morals and respect. and he is getting married to a woman who doesn't care.
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Post by axelle on Jun 26, 2011 12:11:40 GMT -5
Paca I agree with you she will be so much lonier, she isn't a national and can't speak the language to boot.
All the things that have come out about PA is really eye opening disgusting. My attitude has changed - one day she may get fed up.
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Post by khillaree on Jun 26, 2011 13:38:55 GMT -5
yes, it's a joke when I said "Stay beautiful and keep silent". The définition A charming idiot, "Be beautiful and keep silent!". Two titles of movies which summarize well enough the story of the condition of women until approximately 1980s. To there indeed, the women had the choice between: assume their femininity but be supposed to be for idiots, or opt for the spirit and forget any feminine attribute. Be a glamorous icon that we look, or one at ugly woman whom we listen to. If you were beautiful and what you assumed it, you were classified at once in the "idiot" category; impossible to be seriously taken. To have the ear of a man, it was necessary to know how to not catch its eye. The icons of the cinema of the 1960s as Marilyn Monroe or Brigitte Bardot played systematically roles of birdbrains, their beauty being conversely proportional in their intelligence quotient.
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Post by margarita on Jun 26, 2011 13:45:47 GMT -5
Khillarae, thanks "Be beautiful and keep silent!" I didn't knew these movies but "beautiful and silent" in one sentence with Charlene was clearly a joke
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Post by cm7007 on Jun 26, 2011 18:41:29 GMT -5
Once again I agree with you 100% Paca. There is absolutely no good end in sight for this woman. The Palace and Albert's team are in total control(or Caro's team) and the second little miss sunshine gets out of line - into a sanitarium she will go - he may get a divorce - maybe even a Catholic Annulment - after all - he can say she "converted but he learned it was only for "show" - she "tricked" him. If they don't have children - he can say she withheld this info from him - that she can't conceive- or he can say she refuses to have more children - also grounds for an annulment. He's got the money and power or The Palace does. She's just chopped meat. Grace, with all her fame, money and power - with all the powerful friends she had - could NOT get out of her marriage to Rainier when she wanted to - certainly not with her children (although I really don't think CW will give a hoot about any kids - although Motherhood does do amazing things to MOST women!) Charlene is making a pact with the devil for happiness - but she ain't going to find it anywhere near Monaco. I almost - ALMOST- feel sorry for this dumb girl. Like I said before THE TUNNEL (a metaphor for a sanitarium maybe ...?)
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Post by paca on Jun 26, 2011 19:06:50 GMT -5
Once again I agree with you 100% Paca. There is absolutely no good end in sight for this woman. The Palace and Albert's team are in total control(or Caro's team) and the second little miss sunshine gets out of line - into a sanitarium she will go - he may get a divorce - maybe even a Catholic Annulment - after all - he can say she "converted but he learned it was only for "show" - she "tricked" him. If they don't have children - he can say she withheld this info from him - that she can't conceive- or he can say she refuses to have more children - also grounds for an annulment. He's got the money and power or The Palace does. She's just chopped meat. Grace, with all her fame, money and power - with all the powerful friends she had - could NOT get out of her marriage to Rainier when she wanted to - certainly not with her children (although I really don't think CW will give a hoot about any kids - although Motherhood does do amazing things to MOST women!) Charlene is making a pact with the devil for happiness - but she ain't going to find it anywhere near Monaco. I almost - ALMOST- feel sorry for this dumb girl. Like I said before THE TUNNEL (a metaphor for a sanitarium maybe ...?) exactly. She has no reputation either in her favour. I think nowadays Grace would have gotten out if she wanted to. But CW has to stay as long as he wants her. If he doesn't want a divorce, he will have her put away and bank in on some sympathy as the man who has a hard life...and continue in his own ways. For her is having an accident or suicide. She has absolutely nowhere to go apart from some place where no one ever heard of Europe or Monaco. And I doubt that that will be any place she would want to go after having tasted the highlife. Just look at what happened to every single ex of Picasso.....NOne of Alberts prominent exex has managed to get a grip on their life and move on. Look at Tamara, Nicole or Tasha....none of them has ever really moved on. But they are still the lucky ones....
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Post by sandsla on Jun 26, 2011 21:07:05 GMT -5
I think you're confusing this woman with someone with a conscience, a person that has the capacity to have real empathy or feelings--Charlene is shallow to the core! She knows this is not a love match, for either of them--she does not care one bit, because that's not what she's about, or will ever be about? "She's owed" remember? Fame and fortune is all she is after in life, don't kid yourself Albert is the one that will pay! And he will pay big--he already is and has, but I really think it's is going to get so much worse for him and Monaco. Although I'm sure Charlene will find the job is not all that she thought it would be for her, since she's not a girl who has ever felt she should ever be expected to exert herself in any way, no doubt she'll find a way to rest on her laurels, just like she always has , especially since Albert has required nothing of her all these years, and she still managed to play him like a drum...if he was stupid enough to hand over what she's always wanted on a silver platter....and he's still dumb enough to still be "willing to give her the benefit of the doubt" , Charlene has nothing to prove to the world "she's not worried, because SHE's READY!" . Albert never requires anything of anyone. Albert is the one that is kidding himself thinking he's the one that will hold any kind of control over her after their married, because her image is his image now--now that she will be his wife...her image is Monaco's image now , and for some stupid reason that is the way he and Monaco's stupid PR team obviously wants it! So, Albert should not be surprised by the fact that she feels she is much more important than he his! They have been telling her this for six years! Charlene is too arrogant and shallow to be bothered by anything a normal woman would--do you really think Charlene would be bothered by leaving her offspring for someone else to raise, please if they have any kids, that is what she is banking on! . Charlene may not be as happy as she thinks she is going to be, or as important as she thought she'd be, when or if, she ever has the capacity to understand that no one will ever give a rat's ass about her Tiara or not . Now she's still expecting someone is going to be as impressed with her title, as she is herself! ;D After the newness of it wears off and all the fake propping up of her is gone, she'll probably resent and blame Albert and the palace for her lack of popularity, just like she always has in her life....for not "getting her name out there, something that wasn't done for her" . Still, Charlene will have no regrets, except the fact that she didn't bag Prince William maybe! ;D Seriously that is how this girl thinks--she was robbed! ;D I just cannot get over that Albert is so dumb to have done this to himself, for all these years and now, that he has settled for this certain disaster instead of what he really could have had....if he had done it right, if he wasn't such a big girls blouse about it ;D, "he could have had" the attention of the world, and without having to be so pathetic and making a total ass out of himself . Not to mention the hope of love and happiness in his future! They have given this girl six years to attract attention...for what I don't know? It's not like they can't see she is a losing proposition....and still they are willing to give her the benefit of the doubt. ;D Charlene's been collecting a paycheck for six years, not to mention a "privileged lifestyle" , and she still feels she is owed by Albert (who she does not love, and knows he does not love her) a marriage for his families title and wealth, before she's EVEN willing to put in a lick of work , while Albert for six years has been willing to shell out a fortune, ruin his reputation, and seal his fate forever by giving this woman the role of his wife and his beloved mother's title, without expecting anything for it...or ever having seen any evidence of ever expecting anything for it? Albert has to wait until someone rubs his nose in it before he is willing to admit what a fool he's been or how much he has been taken for (Just like Nicole, just like Eringer), when the writing is on the wall he still will won't be deterred in pursuing certain trouble for himself. There is no upside or benefit to him or Monaco in marrying Charlene, only the impending disaster. Charlene does not care enough about anyone, or about how anyone feels about her to be bothered by what a normal person would--she is too shallow. Charlene will pick up and go on with her life if she's that unhappy, with little or no investment by her, she'll collect her winning and move on after she has bleed dry all the situation is worth for her, just like she always has with everyone, while Albert well be doomed!
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Post by sandsla on Jun 26, 2011 21:22:19 GMT -5
yes, it's a joke when I said "Stay beautiful and keep silent". The d�finition A charming idiot, "Be beautiful and keep silent!". Two titles of movies which summarize well enough the story of the condition of women until approximately 1980s. To there indeed, the women had the choice between: assume their femininity but be supposed to be for idiots, or opt for the spirit and forget any feminine attribute. Be a glamorous icon that we look, or one at ugly woman whom we listen to. If you were beautiful and what you assumed it, you were classified at once in the "idiot" category; impossible to be seriously taken. To have the ear of a man, it was necessary to know how to not catch its eye. The icons of the cinema of the 1960s as Marilyn Monroe or Brigitte Bardot played systematically roles of birdbrains, their beauty being conversely proportional in their intelligence quotient. Khillaree I like your post , however in Charlene's case I think it will never be proportional--her beauty will never equal her ignorance! No one is that beautiful, especially Charlene!
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Post by cm7007 on Jun 26, 2011 22:15:45 GMT -5
One of the main reasons she was "picked" by the team of players is because they know she is incapable of real feelings and she's not smart enough to figure out what's happening - really happening. Neither is Albert. ALL she wants is money, fame the superficial power that money and fame will seemingly give her. When they're done with her they will dispose of her like a used Kleenex - in whatever fashion they choose. You'll see.
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Post by mrplowfan on Jun 27, 2011 0:10:51 GMT -5
Charlene had her family WILL NEVER cancel this wedding. It's the money train, honey. The only person I can see who might be getting cold feet is Stahl. Charlene has already made motions that she's being treated badly by the "women" in the palace. First firing after the tiara? The person who made her and knows too much, Ms. Stahl.
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Post by hibou on Jun 27, 2011 0:20:21 GMT -5
Once again I agree with you 100% Paca. There is absolutely no good end in sight for this woman. The Palace and Albert's team are in total control(or Caro's team) and the second little miss sunshine gets out of line - into a sanitarium she will go - he may get a divorce - maybe even a Catholic Annulment - after all - he can say she "converted but he learned it was only for "show" - she "tricked" him. If they don't have children - he can say she withheld this info from him - that she can't conceive- or he can say she refuses to have more children - also grounds for an annulment. He's got the money and power or The Palace does. She's just chopped meat. Grace, with all her fame, money and power - with all the powerful friends she had - could NOT get out of her marriage to Rainier when she wanted to - certainly not with her children (although I really don't think CW will give a hoot about any kids - although Motherhood does do amazing things to MOST women!) Charlene is making a pact with the devil for happiness - but she ain't going to find it anywhere near Monaco. I almost - ALMOST- feel sorry for this dumb girl. Like I said before THE TUNNEL (a metaphor for a sanitarium maybe ...?) exactly. She has no reputation either in her favour. I think nowadays Grace would have gotten out if she wanted to. But CW has to stay as long as he wants her. If he doesn't want a divorce, he will have her put away and bank in on some sympathy as the man who has a hard life...and continue in his own ways. For her is having an accident or suicide. She has absolutely nowhere to go apart from some place where no one ever heard of Europe or Monaco. And I doubt that that will be any place she would want to go after having tasted the highlife. Just look at what happened to every single ex of Picasso.....NOne of Alberts prominent exex has managed to get a grip on their life and move on. Look at Tamara, Nicole or Tasha....none of them has ever really moved on. But they are still the lucky ones.... Paca Alicia got on with her life and Mary Waite got on with hers. The ones that kept hanging on had nothing to lose. I don't think any one will feel sorry for Albert when this circus comes to a melodramatic end. I bet part of the pre-nup will be for her to return to SA and stay there in the event of a divorce. He sure wouldn't want her partying in Paris or playing with Fergie in London, or going on Oprah to tell her tale of woe. But then this is the man who didn't get a confidentiality agreement form Eringer, so all bets are off on what she could do. JMO I agree, She WILL walk down the aisle on Saturday and collect her title and cash. She's not going to care if the news about the 2 year old comes out after the wedding because she's already got the retirement package. As a bonus she will get sympathy for her sad marriage.
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