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Post by countess on Sept 6, 2011 11:50:35 GMT -5
dadgumIT, the links aren't working on 2 threads and i really wanted to see the daily mail article. i can't find it on their page but i revel in their snarkiness ROFL
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Post by MyAdia on Sept 6, 2011 13:00:21 GMT -5
Thanks Setura! I knew it! Stahl cannot stand Charlene and Charlene is running the palace and obviously Albert. From Charlene's posting on these message boards, Charlene REALLY believes that she is the star of Monaco. And obviously, since Albert The Village Idiot of Monaco married her - Albert agrees.
Charlene is the biggest Con Artists in Monaco and Albert is the BIGGEST fool. When Charlene finish with Albert and Monaco they both will be the laughing stock of the world!
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Post by hibou on Sept 6, 2011 13:25:58 GMT -5
Thanks Setura! I knew it! Stahl cannot stand Charlene and Charlene is running the palace and obviously Albert. From Charlene's posting on these message boards, Charlene REALLY believes that she is the star of Monaco. And obviously, since Albert The Village Idiot of Monaco married her - Albert agrees. Charlene is the biggest Con Artists in Monaco and Albert is the BIGGEST fool. When Charlene finish with Albert and Monaco they both will be the laughing stock of the world! Makes me think "Cote" was right when he said she wore the pants. The whole wedding fiasco was Charlene start to finish and then they blamed Stahl.
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Post by MyAdia on Sept 6, 2011 13:37:12 GMT -5
dadgumIT, the links aren't working on 2 threads and i really wanted to see the daily mail article. i can't find it on their page but i revel in their snarkiness ROFL Countess, the links work. Here's Richard Kay's full article with the photo that he chose for the article. His choice of photo - Charlene in her full trashiness - depicts Richard's real sense of snarkiness. Charlene is pure trash and anyone with an iota of common sense knows it - so that excludes Albert. The irony is that Charlene was giving details to Richard Kay when she wanted him to promote her in the press. From the Daily Mail - scroll down to after the article about Claudia.
Prince Albert's women at war
By RICHARD KAY 6th September 2011
Any hopes Prince Albert of Monaco might have of repairing the disastrous publicity surrounding his marriage to South African beauty Charlene Wittstock have taken another turn for the worse.
Just two months on from their wedding, which was almost cancelled when Charlene tried to flee the country over rumours Albert had fathered a lovechild, there has been a key departure from his inner circle.
It is his most trusted adviser, the formidable Madame Christiane Stahl, without whose approval he rarely made a move.
But the reason for her exit is being laid at the door of Charlene.
‘The two women loathed each other on sight,’ I am told. It was Mme Stahl’s task to groom Charlene to fulfil the role of heiress to the late Princess Grace.
This was seen as vital in the re-branding of Monaco from a ‘sunny place for shady people’ to a responsible financial centre. Stahl was to have guided Charlene to suitable designers as well as controlling interviews. But Charlene — at Harewood House in West Yorkshire this weekend with her husband for a Variety Club ball — refused to accept guidance and developed her own court.
This led to a photo session with Vanity Fair, which Stahl knew nothing about, in which Charlene wore a low-cut shirt. A Monaco insider tells me: ‘By the end the two women weren’t speaking.
‘Albert had to choose between his new bride and his old friend. It was impossible.’
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Post by countess on Sept 6, 2011 13:40:53 GMT -5
Thanks Setura! I knew it! Stahl cannot stand Charlene and Charlene is running the palace and obviously Albert. From Charlene's posting on these message boards, Charlene REALLY believes that she is the star of Monaco. And obviously, since Albert The Village Idiot of Monaco married her - Albert agrees. Charlene is the biggest Con Artists in Monaco and Albert is the BIGGEST fool. When Charlene finish with Albert and Monaco they both will be the laughing stock of the world! will be? already ARE!! reading the comment section of these sugah articles convinces me this farce is not working. this sicko duo are NOT fooling anybody. just looking at the body language in the official photo, the other couples while not touching are "connected" the non dynamic duo on the other hand are trying to convince people by touching and can't pull it off. jmo instead of a con artist he really should have married an actress that could at least pretend to like him. they are so pathetic
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Post by MyAdia on Sept 6, 2011 13:47:17 GMT -5
Makes me think "Cote" was right when he said she wore the pants. The whole wedding fiasco was Charlene start to finish and then they blamed Stahl. Hibou, I don't know if you remembered Cote's post (I still have them), but he stated in the beginning that Stahl tried to keep Charlene out of the public's view and Charlene hated to be kept hiddden. I definitely believe Richard's source because I have read how Charlene thinks of herself and her worth to Monaco. She really believes that she is a star and she does NOT need guidance from anyone! Notice the point that Charlene made about her Karl Lagerfeld photo shoot - Karl told her to select her own clothes because she needs to trust her good taste. Result - Charlene in the trashy biker's leather outfit. This woman is pure trash and it seems that Albert had some people who tried to take Monaco in another direction. But Albert being the sucker that he is - the TRASH succeeded in conning him. The great thing is that the more people that Charlene gets rid of - the more the truth about this con artist will be exposed. Hey Chals, who's next to go from Monaco - so you can be the STAR that you think that you are entitled to be?
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Post by royalpauper on Sept 6, 2011 15:09:04 GMT -5
Ha, no wonder Stahl is out! How can the "new princess" play to be "highness" next to someone who thought her how to hold a fork and knife? Now that WC had "learned" to eat, sit, walk and dress like a "lady" she doesn't need all those people who knew who she was/is and where she came from around her. Anyone who had witnessed the "original Charlene" must go. Only Donatellas, Christiansens and Cedrics of this world will be allowed in the Palace and around "her behindness".
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Post by paca on Sept 6, 2011 16:04:03 GMT -5
didn't kL originally try to consult her and then basically gave up and let her do her own thing? the way she said it in the Vogue interview it sounded rather as if people were basically trying and then giving up on her as she wasn't listening. She only hears what she wants to hear. I wonder whether KL said the word icon before or after trying to consult her. I do remember though that there was a video of Mme Gallico trying to advise her and she shrugged her off very impolitely doing her own thing and doing it all wrong. The woman simply thinks that she knows what she is doing. Guess that's what she calls her stubbornness, when others would call it stupidity
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Post by hibou on Sept 6, 2011 19:18:10 GMT -5
Makes me think "Cote" was right when he said she wore the pants. The whole wedding fiasco was Charlene start to finish and then they blamed Stahl. Hibou, I don't know if you remembered Cote's post (I still have them), but he stated in the beginning that Stahl tried to keep Charlene out of the public's view and Charlene hated to be kept hiddden. I definitely believe Richard's source because I have read how Charlene thinks of herself and her worth to Monaco. She really believes that she is a star and she does NOT need guidance from anyone! Notice the point that Charlene made about her Karl Lagerfeld photo shoot - Karl told her to select her own clothes because she needs to trust her good taste. Result - Charlene in the trashy biker's leather outfit. This woman is pure trash and it seems that Albert had some people who tried to take Monaco in another direction. But Albert being the sucker that he is - the TRASH succeeded in conning him. The great thing is that the more people that Charlene gets rid of - the more the truth about this con artist will be exposed. Hey Chals, who's next to go from Monaco - so you can be the STAR that you think that you are entitled to be? That's great that you kept them. Cote was right on the money. I do remember Stahl tried to keep her hidden and I remember Albert yelled at her for pandering to the press and posing with people in front of the photographers the Red Cross Ball her first year. On Eringer there are posters that insist she is in tight with LaCoste and used him to get what she wanted. I always thought Stahl was incompetent which is why she stayed or perhaps had a contract. "Invited to leave" sounds like something Albert would say. Let's not forget the Lady in waiting that quit. This girl is out of control. Albert's bad karma with women is coming back to haunt him. JMO
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Post by cm7007 on Sept 6, 2011 20:09:29 GMT -5
This girl is out of control. Albert's bad karma with women is coming back to haunt him. JMO[/quote] Amen!
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Post by sandsla on Sept 7, 2011 0:53:23 GMT -5
Hibou, I don't know if you remembered Cote's post (I still have them), but he stated in the beginning that Stahl tried to keep Charlene out of the public view and Charlene hated to be kept hidden. I definitely believe Richard's source because I have read how Charlene thinks of herself and her worth to Monaco. She really believes that she is a star and she does NOT need guidance from anyone! Notice the point that Charlene made about her Karl Lagerfeld photo shoot - Karl told her to select her own clothes because she needs to trust her good taste. Result - Charlene in the trashy biker's leather outfit. This woman is pure trash and it seems that Albert had some people who tried to take Monaco in another direction. But Albert being the sucker that he is - the TRASH succeeded in conning him. The great thing is that the more people that Charlene gets rid of - the more the truth about this con artist will be exposed. Hey Chals, who's next to go from Monaco - so you can be the STAR that you think that you are entitled to be? That's great that you kept them. Cote was right on the money. I do remember Stahl tried to keep her hidden and I remember Albert yelled at her for pandering to the press and posing with people in front of the photographers the Red Cross Ball her first year. On Eringer there are posters that insist she is in tight with LaCoste and used him to get what she wanted. I always thought Stahl was incompetent which is why she stayed or perhaps had a contract. "Invited to leave" sounds like something Albert would say. Let's not forget the Lady in waiting that quit. This girl is out of control. Albert's bad karma with women is coming back to haunt him. JMO HI Hibou, Albert didn't exactly yell at her, what Cote said, is that when the family was getting ready to leave Albert had to "grab her by the arm" and pull her away from the cameras...or her posing with people as if she was already someone important there? Albert said to her as he grabbed her arm "I asked you not to do that!" I wanted to point out Hibou how Albert couldn't even reign her in then when she was new there and eager to get Albert to marry her. From what Albert said to her it sounds like he already had the same problem with her prior to that. She ignores everyone and anyone, even Albert, and she always has, because she has no respect for anyone--she only cares about herself, and she hates when someone has to reproach her! Hibou just like when Albert drags her to the rugby game in Paris and she offends her host....when the French PM tries to give her a hint to sit her ass down and shut up and stop acting like a rude idiot, Charlene ignores him instaed, because her ego is such that she is incapable of understanding that she should be embarrassed...she makes an ignorant combative remark and completely ignores him because Charlene has a huge chip on her shoulder at being reproached by anyone. This says a lot about Charlene, and also Albert because he should have beat the PM to it, especially since she is his date, and he brought her there...I doubt they were happy about that before she even stood up and opened her mouth. This woman always fellslike EVERYONE is below her and when you look at what kind of woman she is and all that she is greatly lacking for just an ordinary girl---the whole thing is rather comical, because this girl is so offensive. Albert is being played by a girl with an IQ of 30...that's got to hurt! This woman is always going to be a source of animosity directed at Albert for forcing her on people who don't like her or want her around them...as well as making Albert the butt of jokes. I hope Albert is getting something from her--because he seems to be willing to pay a very high price for her, in every way!
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Post by sandsla on Sept 7, 2011 1:07:03 GMT -5
This girl is out of control. Albert's bad karma with women is coming back to haunt him. JMO Amen! [/quote] OK CM, I'm curious your take on this since you mentioned to me earlier that Stahl was the one who wanted the marriage with Charlene...actually it was more than that? Can you tell me if you think Stahl opposes Charlene or was the one that was always behind the Charlene campaign? Was it because her campaign was a failure, or because she was ALWAYS against Charlene and the promotion of her? Feel free to pm me if you want, I just can't help seeing a contradiction here? I'm curious what you think happened?
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Post by sandsla on Sept 7, 2011 1:55:41 GMT -5
didn't kL originally try to consult her and then basically gave up and let her do her own thing? the way she said it in the Vogue interview it sounded rather as if people were basically trying and then giving up on her as she wasn't listening. She only hears what she wants to hear. I wonder whether KL said the word icon before or after trying to consult her. I do remember though that there was a video of Mme Gallico trying to advise her and she shrugged her off very impolitely doing her own thing and doing it all wrong. The woman simply thinks that she knows what she is doing. Guess that's what she calls her stubbornness, when others would call it stupidity It's not that she hears what she wants to hear, she only does what she wants to do, because she doesn't care about anyone else but herself....she is totally self involved, and she doesn't really care what people think of her....yet in her own mind her whole being is wrapped up with her own self importance...I guess only to herself or what she deems important? Because she doesn't seem to care what anyone else thinks of her? Charlene seems to believe if the media prints something it must be true...or that other people must believe it is....because somone prints something? I guess because she is so ignorant, and she thinks that way she is stupid enough to believe other people do to? Paca, what I remember seeing is Albert's Colonel walking over to Mme Gallico trying to get her to reign Charlene in....to follow protocol, and it seems he had to twice, and Charlene just ignored them both and pushed herself in...she just hates being told what to do, even though she wants to blame all of her behavior and criticsm she gets for it on everyone else. Her self important attitude prevents her from learning anything, because she is unwilling to let anyone teach her anything. Look how retarded she acts in interviews--it is in her attitude. It is her attitude that is so much of her problem. Stubborness is just another way of saying she does only what she wants, and that no one else is important to her! It is her telling that she has no respect for anyone, and she is not willing to show any respect for anyone! Total ignorace. Again "her stubborness" translates to "her self important attitude!"
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Post by margarita on Sept 7, 2011 3:18:51 GMT -5
I still think Stahl tried to install CW as her marionette and person close to Albert who always remembers who made her (highschool drop out - no profession - not very beautiful - too dump and/ or lazy to learn French or do real work) Princess of Monaco ... and will be gratefull.
BUT as I wrote here month before the "wedding": - CW cares for nobodys interests but hers and is thus an unguidable and unguided missile.
Stahl must have known it will be a hard job to turn CW in something that people "buy" as a Princess. But she thought it would be possible and didn't anticipate that disaster - and that's what makes her appear incompetent in my eyes.
Many of us wrote here over and over again how the story will continue. And we were proven right! Even sooner that expected. Albert - watch your back!!!
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Post by sandsla on Sept 7, 2011 3:39:41 GMT -5
Countess, the links work. Here's Richard Kay's full article with the photo that he chose for the article. His choice of photo - Charlene in her full trashiness - depicts Richard's real sense of snarkiness. Charlene is pure trash and anyone with an iota of common sense knows it - so that excludes Albert. The irony is that Charlene was giving details to Richard Kay when she wanted him to promote her in the press. From the Daily Mail - scroll down to after the article about Claudia.
Prince Albert's women at war
By RICHARD KAY 6th September 2011
Any hopes Prince Albert of Monaco might have of repairing the disastrous publicity surrounding his marriage to South African beauty Charlene Wittstock have taken another turn for the worse.
Just two months on from their wedding, which was almost cancelled when Charlene tried to flee the country over rumours Albert had fathered a lovechild, there has been a key departure from his inner circle.
It is his most trusted adviser, the formidable Madame Christiane Stahl, without whose approval he rarely made a move.
But the reason for her exit is being laid at the door of Charlene.
‘The two women loathed each other on sight,’ I am told. It was Mme Stahl’s task to groom Charlene to fulfil the role of heiress to the late Princess Grace.
Warning: I'm so tired I can't read through this, so i hpe it makes some sense! I'll try to correct it tomorrow! ]It is his most trusted adviser, the formidable Madame Christiane Stahl, without whose approval he rarely made a move[/b] So what is he saying here? Albert didn't make a move without Stahl's approval? It doesn't sound to me like this guy thinks Stahl was just cow tailing to Albert or has been kept from being able to do her job by Albert for six years--I think Stahl should have listened to us when we told her what would happen to and what Charlene would turn into and what lay ahead for all of them the minute that ring went onto Charlene's finger! They deserve whatever trouble she caused them for putting her in that position, Hey maybe if Albert's PR would have payed attention to where I was trying to point them...where I tried to bring attention to Charlene's self important posts on TRF where she telegraphed her attitude about herself and those around her including Albert, and where she blames and finds fault with other people for her own problems and ineptitude and unwillingness to try to rise to the occasion. I use to write how Charlene wasn't willing to make an effort to do anything including learning French until Albert married her, because she didn't think she should have to make an effort unless she got rewarded for it first. This may explain why Charlene has never had a job, she thinks she is suppose to get a paycheck before she shows up or lifts a finger? I meant it as a derogatory yet very true remark but her brethren is posting the exact remark I made, but they are actually presenting it as an excuse...like why should she bother to learn French if Albert wasn't going to marry her? These people are beyond ignorant....jaw dropping ignorant! Albert needed to dump both these women six years ago....like we all told him he need to....advice we gave him for for free! Albert did not need six years to find out that this campaign of Charlene was not working for him. When I use to suggest on TRF that Albert would be making a huge mistake that he couldn't easily rectify if he married Charlene...not after the fact, I'd get a reply that said we just needed to give her a chance to see how she would do in a few years? This is a marriage into a royal family, not a new starbucks drink Albert has ignored Charlene's unpopularity (for many valid reasons) with people, and that is not ever going to Change. AdminNote: Reduced length of quoted text
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Post by cm7007 on Sept 7, 2011 6:18:31 GMT -5
OK CM, I'm curious your take on this since you mentioned to me earlier that Stahl was the one who wanted the marriage with Charlene...actually it was more than that? Can you tell me if you think Stahl opposes Charlene or was the one that was always behind the Charlene campaign? Was it because her campaign was a failure, or because she was ALWAYS against Charlene and the promotion of her? Feel free to pm me if you want, I just can't help seeing a contradiction here? I'm curious what you think happened? I wrote a whole thing and then lost it - now it's late and I'm really tire, but I'll try to answer - I think (think ) Stahl was put into her position to guide and mold CW for the role of princess. Stahl never liked CW - but that wasn't important - whoever is actually running the show over there (it's clearly not PA) felt it was necessary for PA to finally get married and produce an heir - there was absolutely no one with such low self esteem that would agree to PA's terms that PA would also agree to BUT CHARLENE. Thus it was Stahl's job to guide CW. Whether she did it consciously or unconsciously - she screwed up. Whether the powers that are running things over there wanted this result or not - I don't have a clue - it seems pretty unbelievable anyone - and I do mean anyone - could mess things up so badly the way they did without it being done on purpose. Anyway, CW barely tolerated Stahl until she got what she wanted - the ring - once she got that, she did exactly what we all predicted she'd do - get rid of anyone and everyone she did not like, anyone who knew where all the skeletons were buried, and most importantly get rid of anyone who had PA's ear at all. (So there are more to come - let's hope LaCoste) Caro and Steph are not far behind. Albert is too stupid and inept to do anything about it. I feel however, CW has overplayed her hand - Stahl has some very powerful connections - many in the press. She's not going quietly- she may hide behind someone - but she'll get her message out. I don't think these latest negative articles and photos are just a coincidence. JMO. But I also believe there is so much more going on with this whole mess that we will never figure it out on our own, and whether it ever comes out or not is still up in the air. Hope that answers your question Sandsla AdminNote: Fixed quotes
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Post by MyAdia on Sept 7, 2011 8:06:30 GMT -5
Albert has ignored Charlene's unpopularity (for many valid reasons) with people, and that is not ever going to Change. Actually, Albert believed that Charlene was popular with everyone but his people - and they were just jealous of her. Recall, Stephane Bern stated that the people in Monaco will eventually come around and like Charlene but Albert should listen to the international press who all love her. Albert really trusted Bern's opinion about the feel of the media (there's a recent article where Bern stated this and how Albert called him before the wedding to gauge the press). I will defend Albert about this - Albert really believed Charlene's promotional press that Charlene was the new Grace and she would return the princess Grace type glamour to Monaco. HE really believed it! Try to understand his position and how his very superficial mind thinks - Charlene was always in the press and on magazine covers - so Albert interpreted this as great popularity. IT was not just the press, but also his advisers and some friends who were encouraging him to marry Charlene for Monaco's financial and image boost sake, They have all mentioned this in interviews. On the day of the engagement announcement, Albert's media consult Jean-Luc Mano gave an interview and stated how this was the best thing for Monaco. Charlene boasted on the message boards how Albert's friends all think that he should marry her. Well, Charlene knows how to con people to do what she wants. She knows how to play up to people to have them believe how much she loves Albert and Monaco . Look how she flopped big time in trying to pull that con over on Pedro Almodóvar at her first Rose Ball (where she shoved Madame Galico away). Charlene is only good at suckering NEEDY people - those who want something from Monaco and/or Albert. Charlene is a con artist who suckered Albert into marrying her and now being kept in complete luxury for the rest of her life. Albert was too stupid to have his PR people look beyond the magazine covers and actually measure any impact Charlene had in the press. If they would have done this basic simple analysis, they would have found that NO ONE in the WORLD cared for Charlene and she would have zero or a negative impact on Monaco! Your people hate this woman for good reason you fool.
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Post by MyAdia on Sept 7, 2011 8:41:13 GMT -5
I wondered what happened to Mike Powers. I'll bet anything he finally realized what a con artist Charlene was and he had to go also.
Who's next. Well, on the mnessage boards Charlene and her flunkies has been campaigning before the engagement that Caroline should leave Monaco and let Charlene be the star. Everything for this pea-brain dimwit is about she being the only one in the limelight. Eventually, Monaco will be one big trash hole with just Charlene's paid photographers taking her photos.
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Post by hibou on Sept 7, 2011 8:48:03 GMT -5
I still think Stahl tried to install CW as her marionette and person close to Albert who always remembers who made her (highschool drop out - no profession - not very beautiful - too dump and/ or lazy to learn French or do real work) Princess of Monaco ... and will be gratefull. BUT as I wrote here month before the "wedding": - CW cares for nobodys interests but hers and is thus an unguidable and unguided missile. Stahl must have known it will be a hard job to turn CW in something that people "buy" as a Princess. But she thought it would be possible and didn't anticipate that disaster - and that's what makes her appear incompetent in my eyes. Many of us wrote here over and over again how the story will continue. And we were proven right! Even sooner that expected. Albert - watch your back!!! Great post! Sandsla, You have a great memory! I knew Albert was ticked off with her, and I vaguely remember something about her disappearing into the bathroom for a while. May be we thought she was upset, but may be in hindsight she was sulking or something else.
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Post by scout on Sept 7, 2011 9:50:28 GMT -5
Albert has ignored Charlene's unpopularity (for many valid reasons) with people, and that is not ever going to Change. Actually, Albert believed that Charlene was popular with everyone but his people - and they were just jealous of her. Recall, Stephane Bern stated that the people in Monaco will eventually come around and like Charlene but Albert should listen to the international press who all love her. Albert really trusted Bern's opinion about the feel of the media (there's a recent article where Bern stated this and how Albert called him before the wedding to gauge the press). I will defend Albert about this - Albert really believed Charlene's promotional press that Charlene was the new Grace and she would return the princess Grace type glamour to Monaco. HE really believed it! Try to understand his position and how his very superficial mind thinks - Charlene was always in the press and on magazine covers - so Albert interpreted this as great popularity. IT was not just the press, but also his advisers and some friends who were encouraging him to marry Charlene for Monaco's financial and image boost sake, They have all mentioned this in interviews. On the day of the engagement announcement, Albert's media consult Jean-Luc Mano gave an interview and stated how this was the best thing for Monaco. Charlene boasted on the message boards how Albert's friends all think that he should marry her. Well, Charlene knows how to con people to do what she wants. She knows how to play up to people to have them believe how much she loves Albert and Monaco . Look how she flopped big time in trying to pull that con over on Pedro Almodóvar at her first Rose Ball (where she shoved Madame Galico away). Charlene is only good at suckering NEEDY people - those who want something from Monaco and/or Albert. Charlene is a con artist who suckered Albert into marrying her and now being kept in complete luxury for the rest of her life. Albert was too stupid to have his PR people look beyond the magazine covers and actually measure any impact Charlene had in the press. If they would have done this basic simple analysis, they would have found that NO ONE in the WORLD cared for Charlene and she would have zero or a negative impact on Monaco! Your people hate this woman for good reason you fool. MyaDia, didn't it ever occur to Albert that the only reason that Charlene was on the cover of any magazine was because she was dating him? Otherwise, Charlene would have been lucky to get her photo in the Wittstock family album. If Albert had been dated a mule, then the mule would have gotten its photo on the cover. The press has been waiting for over 30 years for Albert to marry, Charlene just happened to be the one he was dating. Otherwise Charlene would be back working in the convenience store in Benoni. The press only cared about Charlene because of Albert; same with Nicole.
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