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Post by refia on Jul 3, 2011 7:37:34 GMT -5
Papa Wittstock wasn´t amused today. Why? Does he know what´s going on? If so, smart boy! no dumb boy. You don't pimp out your daughter. he played part in the denial. The only way to save face would be once it hits the media big time would be a quick annulment. At least she can add princess for a day or two to her scrap book. If they drag it out, the Wittstocks will always be remembered as the family who sold their daughter for 10 Mill and thensome Imagine your daughter comes home and says she is dating albert. I would shake her and ask if she is insane.
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Post by MyAdia on Jul 3, 2011 7:56:09 GMT -5
How low she can go? if the prior media revelations are true & WC was paid in cash 30 or 40 K per month, she is a prostitute. So, as prostitute she can go very low, hit a rock bottom, everything for money. Here's the cover of that story. Eventually, I will get around to posting the full article some of the other older articles (I just don't have access to them all right now). I had a hard time believing the story at first because I cannot imagine who will think that this girl is worth that much a month - 40,000 euros is now worth $58,000. But, they actually interviewed shopkeepers and named names. I was wondering if any of them feared retribution, but later I found an article of one of the shopkeeper explaining that she was closing her business. So, perhaps that's why she talked. If this is true, Charlene in reality was I(some will say still is) Monaco's highest paid prostitute.
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Post by margarita on Jul 3, 2011 8:03:22 GMT -5
THANK YOU MyaDia! I remembered to have read this cover and article some years ago but I didn't remember where So now this media coverage comes back to her ... questioning the motives of her staying around and being patient with Albert who is facing TWO new paternity tests of children he might have fathered while being "in love" with the woman he was waiting for all those years... as the sugar loonies want to make us believe. Indeed ... a prostitute.
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Post by paca on Jul 3, 2011 8:06:47 GMT -5
no dumb boy. You don't pimp out your daughter. he played part in the denial. The only way to save face would be once it hits the media big time would be a quick annulment. At least she can add princess for a day or two to her scrap book. If they drag it out, the Wittstocks will always be remembered as the family who sold their daughter for 10 Mill and thensome Imagine your daughter comes home and says she is dating albert. I would shake her and ask if she is insane. If my sons would treat women the way Albert does, I would disowned them. If Albert was my brother, I would as his sister nothing to do with him. If I had a daughter I would disown her. No child of mine would ever treat anyone the way Albert has treated women, nor would any of my children allow themselves to be treated this way by Albert. In either case I would consider that I have done sth incredibly wrong when raising them and it is totally without interest if the women let themselves treated this way or not. Neither deserves respect, nor do the institutions and their representatives who supported this. From now on every woman who is married will have to answer to whether she married because she loves her husband or because of what he has to offer in ways of social status or security. This is throwing things back into the dark ages . We are sitting on high horses looking down on countries with arranged marriages. How is this better? Marriage has become synonymous for prostitution thanks to all the heads of state that have attended the public auctioning off of a woman.
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Post by margarita on Jul 3, 2011 8:11:32 GMT -5
"This is throwing things back into the dark ages ." Hej, Paca , CW never said she wants to modernize Monaco for instance by strenghtening schools or universities ... but with fashion and Manolo Blahik shoe stores. ARMANI - designed the new burka*. And Karl Lagerfeld too. * ...while some girls with burka even study CW has not finished high school - no profession but prostitute oouutch
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Post by mrszinck on Jul 3, 2011 8:40:57 GMT -5
Paca wrote: ‘This is throwing things back into the dark ages’
Thank God that we are in an era of internet. And that young girls still get other opinions…
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Post by scout on Jul 3, 2011 11:27:20 GMT -5
Imagine your daughter comes home and says she is dating albert. I would shake her and ask if she is insane. If my sons would treat women the way Albert does, I would disowned them. If Albert was my brother, I would as his sister nothing to do with him. If I had a daughter I would disown her. No child of mine would ever treat anyone the way Albert has treated women, nor would any of my children allow themselves to be treated this way by Albert. In either case I would consider that I have done sth incredibly wrong when raising them and it is totally without interest if the women let themselves treated this way or not. Neither deserves respect, nor do the institutions and their representatives who supported this. From now on every woman who is married will have to answer to whether she married because she loves her husband or because of what he has to offer in ways of social status or security. This is throwing things back into the dark ages . We are sitting on high horses looking down on countries with arranged marriages. How is this better? Marriage has become synonymous for prostitution thanks to all the heads of state that have attended the public auctioning off of a woman. I agree 100% with you Paca. I have mentioned before that I think Albert is a misogynist, but why - who knows? We really need a psychiatrist to join our board and give us some insight into these two people. Charlene has shown from day one that she has a price and for some strange reason, Albert has been willing to pay it. From monthly stipends to now pre-planned divorce settlements. The kiss said it all - Albert looked like he had rarely had a passionate kiss with a woman before, certainly not with Charlene. Of course, it is my understanding that the man doesn't kiss a prostitute on the lips, but I really don't know. Sad for Charlene, but her parents and brothers are evidently okay with their daughter/sister being sold. Also, Albert says he and Charlene will have a child for a heir which I think is a real mistake on many levels. One, he has never bonded with any of his existing children (I refuse to believe that he has some close secret relationship with all of them.) and I wonder if he can bond on any level with a child that Charlene has. And Charlene is too self-centered to properly nurture a child. Unless a kind relative steps in, this child will be raised by two people who could care less. Caroline tried marriage and it is said that Stefano was her true love and she would still be with him if he had lived. Who knows? But Albert and Stephanie definitely do not understand how to form good relationships with the opposite sex. This farce of a marriage just confirmed that for Albert. But remember, he searched 30+ years for his 'true love'. He should have spent that time in therapy, maybe then he could have conducted a proper search.
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Post by margarita on Jul 3, 2011 12:36:19 GMT -5
welt.de www.welt.de/vermischtes/specials/hochzeit-monaco/article13465328/Albert-II-und-der-Felsenfunk-um-die-Vaterschaft.htmlCharlene tried to escape at least THREE times. The rumors about new children out of wedlock started about three weeks ago - confirms the adivor of a monegasque deputy. The critical question is: how old is this child if he is the father - older or younger than five years. The „Journal du dimanche“ writes that according to different sources Charlene tried to escape Monaco at least three times: - in May she went to S.A. ambassy in Paris after fitting her wedding gown - after the Grand Prix by end of May - shortly before the wedding via Airport Nice Rumors speak about two children: - a 18 month old - a 3 month old.
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Post by paca on Jul 3, 2011 12:39:41 GMT -5
And SA embassy sent her back? ?
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Post by mrszinck on Jul 3, 2011 12:50:25 GMT -5
LOL, Nobody wants her.
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Post by margarita on Jul 3, 2011 13:17:34 GMT -5
I don't know what to think about these new infos about CW trying to escape ... but something is VERY fishy. More and more I'm wondering WHO installed Charlene and pays for her to stay and -when the job (whatever it is ) is done to disappear (if she becomes paid for that . There is something behind it. I'm no fan of conspiracy theories but even a woman like Charlene must have a pain barrier - and if it is true that she was paid 40 000 till 50 000 cash per month (or at least any other nice amount) she does not need that much more money for a careless life - maybe she knew she gets more if she goes through the ceremonies but anyway ... there must be a really dirty story behind this.
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Post by smt on Jul 3, 2011 13:43:41 GMT -5
I don't know what to think about these new infos about CW trying to escape ... but something is VERY fishy. More and more I'm wondering WHO installed Charlene and pays for her to stay and -when the job (whatever it is ) is done to disappear (if she becomes paid for that . There is something behind it. I'm no fan of conspiracy theories but even a woman like Charlene must have a pain barrier - and if it is true that she was paid 40 000 till 50 000 cash per month (or at least any other nice amount) she does not need that much more money for a careless life - maybe she knew she gets more if she goes through the ceremonies but anyway ... there must be a really dirty story behind this. I wouldn't be surprised if there was a "Who" behind this entire saga! AdminNote: Fixed quotes
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Post by margarita on Jul 3, 2011 14:55:55 GMT -5
I wouldn't be surprised if there was a "Who" behind this entire saga! smt - funny while you wrote this I texted this in the "Is Charlene a victim" thread: Charlene was not "patient" with Albert! She had nothing better to do - so she hang around and got payed (pretty much for a high school dropout who didn't qualify for Olympic games!), hoping Albert will become weak/ desperate enough to marry her. "I don't know what she has done behind his back - but it is evident CW used alleys to make him marry her, people who had an interest in Albert marrying a girl like her. They don't do it for good will but because they have an agenda. Now they are using Charlene - if you have nothing to offer it is clear that you put yourself 100% in someones hands: you depend more than the other one and have nothing to put against. Blond as she is: but street-smart Charlene must have known." They want Charlene to pay back. But with what??? All she can do is to give a heir. (IF she can.) But why does anyone need a marionette? They already have Albert - if he is indeed as weak as some say! I don't get it - the heir-theory doesn't make sense! How about this: as long as CW is tied to Albert - he can be controled - because he is not that weak at all? Thats why Charlene is needed to keep him under control. She is the weakest so she will not make any problems and all she wants is the title+tiara, so she is easy to satisfy... Any guess anyone ? AdminNote: Fixed quotes
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Post by MyAdia on Jul 3, 2011 16:48:18 GMT -5
There are many more articles (some already posted) about Charlene trying to flee three times,. But, most of these articles are reporting/quoting each other. More importantly, NOT ONE of these new rounds of articles mention Charlene's Vogue interview given two hours before she officially became Princess Charlene of Monaco. Please, I would love for those who think that Charlene was forced into this marriage! Charlene's bitchy comments at all those who are spreading "vicious gossip and empty rumors" while at the same time boasting about her wedding dress design and all the beautiful loving photographs she will take - all as she is preened by two make-up artists, a famed hair stylist, two Parisian seamstress and a Vogue reporter - are not the behavior of a woman who is entering into this marriage at gun point. The main theme from all those quoted, especially Michael Pastor, is these are only rumors because derived from jealous of Albert and Charlene. I am really curious what Pastor, one of the wealthiest and influential person in Monaco gets out of making sure that Albert married Chalrene Wittstock. From The Telegraph:
Princess Charlene of Monaco 'tried to flee three times'
Princess Charlene of Monaco tried to flee home to South Africa three times before her marriage to Prince Albert II, according to report on Sunday in French newspapers.
By Henry Samuel, Monaco 03 Jul 2011
The couple's glittering religious wedding drew crowds of thousands to the Mediterranean principality on Saturday and the guest list included a host of heads of state, European royals and stars of the fashion and sports world.
But sources cited by the French press on Sunday said the former Charlene Wittstock, 33, had even tried to take refuge in her country's embassy in Paris in an attempt to get out of the wedding.
Instead senior Palace officials confiscated her passport and then persuaded her to take part in the weekend's nuptials.
"Several sources have even confirmed that an arrangement was reached between the future bride and groom," said a report in Le Journal du Dimanche (JDD), the French national newspaper, which provided no further details.
It followed confirmation by palace sources that Albert, 53, was due to undergo DNA tests because of claims by at least one unnamed woman that he has fathered another illegitimate child.
Yesterday, the couple hosted a private marriage brunch, and are due to fly to South Africa on honeymoon on Tuesday.
Albert already has a six-year-old son called Alexandre through a former Togolese air hostess called Nicole Coste, and a 19-year-old daughter called Jazmin with Tamara Rotola, an American estate agent.
With the wedding in full swing, a senior palace official confirmed rumours that Prince Albert is likely to undergo the test after claims that he has fathered at least one more child.
The French news agency said anonymous officials spoke of "the truth" of a reported falling out between the couple earlier in the week and of a probable demand that Prince Albert take a paternity test.
In the new claims reported in the JDD, the newspaper quoted Monaco "policy advisors" among those discussing "two illegitimate children – one already born, the other to come" and the Princess trying to "escape three times".
The sources said that when Charlene visited Paris in May to try on her white-silk Armani wedding dress she "took refuge" in the South African embassy.
Later that month she also tried to escape during the Monaco Formula 1 Grand Prix, they alleged. Then, last week, she allegedly had her passport confiscated en route to Nice airport via the helicopter service which runs between regularly between Monaco and France.
Senior police officials were reported to have confirmed the passport confiscation to Le Figaro newspaper last week.
Even if more illegitimate children come out of the woodwork, none will have a claim to the throne under Monaco law, a source said. "Even if a third or even a fourth child is confirmed Albert will not have an official heir until Princess Charlene bears him one," he added.
French magazine Public has attributed 'two new illegitimate children' to Albert. One is said to be 18 months old and the son of an Italian woman who is preparing to tell all.
Others, including Voici, have suggested that Ms Coste could have had a second Albert baby – an idea which gained credibility on Thursday when the 40-year-old beauty was pictured in Monte Carlo on the eve of Albert and Charlene's marriage.
Despite all the talk of palace intrigue, residents of the low-tax haven are standing by the royal couple.
"When the most famous of bachelors gets married, naturally there are jealousies," real estate tycoon Michel Pastor told the JDD.
Several Monegasque families claim the rumours were spread by a vengeful former mistress of the Prince.
A palace advisor told the paper everything hinged on when any alleged love child was born. "The whole thing rests on finding out whether (any child) is over five, as Charlene and Albert have officially been together for five years," he said.
One well-placed Monaco observer said that in the tiny enclave, "rumour and malice (are) held up as a national sport".
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Post by margarita on Jul 3, 2011 16:54:02 GMT -5
myaDia: Thats exactly the point! "I am really curious what Pastor, one of the wealthiest and influential person in Monaco gets out of making sure that Albert married Chalrene Wittstock." What does he and do others in similiar position get out of this? (If they aimed at making Albert a laughing stock: it was enough to get engaged to CW, no need to marry her to have the world laugh at Albert.) I don't get this !!!
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Post by hibou on Jul 3, 2011 19:20:44 GMT -5
myaDia: Thats exactly the point! "I am really curious what Pastor, one of the wealthiest and influential person in Monaco gets out of making sure that Albert married Chalrene Wittstock." What does he and do others in similiar position get out of this? (If they aimed at making Albert a laughing stock: it was enough to get engaged to CW, no need to marry her to have the world laugh at Albert.) I don't get this !!! Isn't he a close friend of Caroline?
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Post by creativemind on Jul 3, 2011 19:46:43 GMT -5
can we post on renaud's blog??? if so can any of our fluent french speakers/writers [i'm not fluent enough] maybe post the vogue interview to him? as well as all the other b.s. that might help his next article. he seems a very capable journalist and could be working on something more but it never hurts to drop reporters info. especially if it's not the only story you're covering. and he may not read vogue.com. just a thought.
remember a poster on eringer's blog i believe it was said there was so much more to this. i think it's all starting to unfold and this still is just the beginning.
it would be freakin HILARIOUS, I'm talking LOL, LMAO, ROFLMAO kind of HILARIOUS if nicole was one of the three baby mamas!!!
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Post by cm7007 on Jul 3, 2011 21:04:10 GMT -5
If my sons would treat women the way Albert does, I would disowned them. If Albert was my brother, I would as his sister nothing to do with him. If I had a daughter I would disown her. No child of mine would ever treat anyone the way Albert has treated women, nor would any of my children allow themselves to be treated this way by Albert. In either case I would consider that I have done sth incredibly wrong when raising them and it is totally without interest if the women let themselves treated this way or not. Neither deserves respect, nor do the institutions and their representatives who supported this. From now on every woman who is married will have to answer to whether she married because she loves her husband or because of what he has to offer in ways of social status or security. This is throwing things back into the dark ages . We are sitting on high horses looking down on countries with arranged marriages. How is this better? Marriage has become synonymous for prostitution thanks to all the heads of state that have attended the public auctioning off of a woman. I agree 100% with you Paca. I have mentioned before that I think Albert is a misogynist, but why - who knows? We really need a psychiatrist to join our board and give us some insight into these two people. Charlene has shown from day one that she has a price and for some strange reason, Albert has been willing to pay it. From monthly stipends to now pre-planned divorce settlements. The kiss said it all - Albert looked like he had rarely had a passionate kiss with a woman before, certainly not with Charlene. Of course, it is my understanding that the man doesn't kiss a prostitute on the lips, but I really don't know. Sad for Charlene, but her parents and brothers are evidently okay with their daughter/sister being sold. Also, Albert says he and Charlene will have a child for a heir which I think is a real mistake on many levels. One, he has never bonded with any of his existing children (I refuse to believe that he has some close secret relationship with all of them.) and I wonder if he can bond on any level with a child that Charlene has. And Charlene is too self-centered to properly nurture a child. Unless a kind relative steps in, this child will be raised by two people who could care less. Caroline tried marriage and it is said that Stefano was her true love and she would still be with him if he had lived. Who knows? But Albert and Stephanie definitely do not understand how to form good relationships with the opposite sex. This farce of a marriage just confirmed that for Albert. But remember, he searched 30+ years for his 'true love'. He should have spent that time in therapy, maybe then he could have conducted a proper search. I think it's abundantly clear Albert does not know how to BOND with ANYTHING OR ANYONE. And now we all know why he's been looking around for TRUE LOVE for 30+ years. He has no idea what love is!
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Post by cm7007 on Jul 3, 2011 21:05:59 GMT -5
welt.de www.welt.de/vermischtes/specials/hochzeit-monaco/article13465328/Albert-II-und-der-Felsenfunk-um-die-Vaterschaft.htmlCharlene tried to escape at least THREE times. The rumors about new children out of wedlock started about three weeks ago - confirms the adivor of a monegasque deputy. The critical question is: how old is this child if he is the father - older or younger than five years. The „Journal du dimanche“ writes that according to different sources Charlene tried to escape Monaco at least three times: - in May she went to S.A. ambassy in Paris after fitting her wedding gown - after the Grand Prix by end of May - shortly before the wedding via Airport Nice Rumors speak about two children: - a 18 month old - a 3 month old. OH! OKAY!!! HE'S MY FATHER TOO! (It was a miracle conception and birth! Mother would be 104 today if she were alive so she can't talk!)
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Post by cm7007 on Jul 3, 2011 21:15:19 GMT -5
myaDia: Thats exactly the point! "I am really curious what Pastor, one of the wealthiest and influential person in Monaco gets out of making sure that Albert married Chalrene Wittstock." What does he and do others in similiar position get out of this? (If they aimed at making Albert a laughing stock: it was enough to get engaged to CW, no need to marry her to have the world laugh at Albert.) I don't get this !!! well, one thing would be to make sure Albert didn't marry a SMART woman A smart woman would be able to tell him what's really going on - or do something on her own to control situations, etc. Rainier knew Albert needed to marry a SMART woman - a smart and strong woman would have been able to really help Albert. Rainier said so himself. The problem was - no really smart woman today wants to be stuck with that mess. The mess of Albert AND the mess Monaco is in! It's nice to have financial security - but one doesn't need THAT much money to be financially secure. And- a title - today - so what! It's nice I suppose - but it is a little bit embarrassing - especially, as in this case, it's really just a joke. (Not the British titles - they still have a great deal of respect worldwide - well the Queen does anyway!)
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