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Post by margarita on Jul 12, 2011 16:08:46 GMT -5
I saw now a report at German TV: "Charlene - calculating Ice-Queen or victim?" They tend to calculating Ice-Queen ;D There is this one interview with Jo-Ann Strauss. Charlene gave her instructions how to record the interview and Jo-Ann asked if Charlene is media experienced (because of the instructions, as if she is a pro) since she appeared the first time in public (eveything in Afrikaans). Charlene was pissed off and rolled her eyes and replied that the cameras are still on (means her diva affectations will be recorded) and this could be translated. Oh, oh.. I hope they release the video on their homepage rtl-now.rtl.de/exclusiv.phpI've uploaded the video of RTL Exclusiv at megaupload: High quality 73,54 MB - www.megaupload.com/?d=L1I9TMVHLow quality 27,53 MB - www.megaupload.com/?d=CIVBABZG Thanks for posting this TAZ!!! WOWWOWWOWWOW. - the image of the down-to earth, innocent girl from next door and the rich Monegasque Prince is breaking down more and more - all the rumors are named (new children of Albert, money for getting married ect.) - many people wondering: is Charlene a victim or a calculating icy beast? - then the clip starts, showing Charlene in S.A. almost without makeup, all smiles, huging people: Is this only fake? - Or is THIS the true nature of Princess Charlene - switch to the interview : these pictures where taken only some weeks before the wedding - nothing reminds of the shy and natural Charlene, we see a very determined woman giving advices to journalists how to film her best - the journalist says: when media noticed you for the first time you have learned how to play with the media, didn't you? - Charlene rolling eyes says: oh yes very much. [note of translator: this quotation is taken from the overvoice, not original Charlene] - the journalist says: watch out, the camara is on! Someone might translate what you say [note of translator: good point that's what we do right now ;D] I will translate the rest tomorrow, today just that much: - they say Charlene chooses the kind of Charity events that are best for her image - she is controling everything - every single picture of her that is released and not the relaxed natural shy woman - Alberts son Alex is very often in Monaco on the beach and the owner of Albert's favorite restaurant said that Albert has a very warm and good relation with his son and sees him often - Charlene is totally unaffected by this and Albert's relation to his children
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Post by rachel on Jul 12, 2011 16:39:46 GMT -5
Anyone notice she can barely speak through the plastic when she tells them how to angle the camera? This definitely shows a different side to her than most of the media have portrayed!
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Post by taz on Jul 12, 2011 17:26:54 GMT -5
Presenter: "The romantic image of the innocent, blond commoner and the rich Monegasque Prince is more and more destroyed, bit by bit. During the honeymoon in South Africa it seems that Princess Charlene isn't able to laugh. And how could she?! There are rumors of a secret contract, of more illegitimate kids of Albert and that Charlene was silenced with money. Now a lot of people ask themselves if Charlene is the victim or a calculating beast."
Voice-over: "These are the newest images of Princes Charlene in Cape Town. She's visiting the charity organization of Archbishop Desmond Tutu and has become its co-patron. She has nearly no make-up on, she smiles a lot and appears sincerely as if she isn't affected by the rumors of the past. But is this only a facade?! And is maybe this the real face of Princess Charlene?!"
(video starts) Voice-over: "These images were recorded a few weeks before the wedding before an official interview. Here nothing is visible of the gentle and natural Charlene. This woman is self-confident, self-determined and gives orders."
Charlene: "You have to use this angle. None other. Ok, that's fine. Perfect."
Jo-Anne: "When you became famous you learned how to play with the press, don't you?" (She talks in Afrikaans)
Charlene: (rolling eyes) "Yes, very much."
Charlene: "Be careful, the camera is on they'll translate." (laughing)
Voice-over: "She approves of the following press photos, she leaves nothing to chance. These images show the seemingly so heteronomous Princess and the rumors of the last couple of days in a different light." (end of video)
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Post by hibou on Jul 12, 2011 17:48:17 GMT -5
Well, guys, it's starting to catch up with her. She was dumb to have allowed that to be caught on tape.
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Post by taz on Jul 12, 2011 20:17:55 GMT -5
Ok, I didn't mean to do it but I did it: I transcript/translated the whole darn video! Hey guys, I hope you'll be very nice to me from now on... ;D ;D
Continued from my post above:
Rumor: "The secret contract"
Voice-over: "This week the French editorial "Journal de Dimanche" claims that Charlene was forced into marriage with a secret contract. After she had allegedly attempted to run away Albert is supposed to have presented her with a contract which obliges her to a minimum five-year-marriage and has a non-disclosure clause. In case of a divorce she would lose her kids. The "Sunday Times" even claims that as return service extensive amounts of money were given. The rumor of the bought bride is talked about around the world. Charlene's tears are now seen as tears of despair. Only in Monaco nobody believes this no matter if businessman, hairdresser or society lady - the Monegasques align themselves with the princely couple."
Businessman - Stephane Lobono: "This is rubbish. At least I hope so. As a small country this is very sad, we are like a family and such rumors hurt. You know people always like to BS about Monaco and they like to gossip about Monaco and this is completely wrong."
Albert's hairdresser - Jean-Jaques Wigno: "The French press is a little bit jealous. Monaco is always something special."
Society Lady - Evelyn Sochi: "No matter where I go I hear the rumors for days and when you ask 'Who told you this?' everybody says 'We don't want to tell' but they don't dare they talk and talk and talk and then they somehow say we don't know where the rumors started."
Voice-over: "Meanwhile Charlene and Albert try to kiss away the rumors in South Africa. A kiss that doesn't touch one's heart. The fact that Charlene wears black fuels rumors furthermore. A grieving bride? But if the rumors are true Charlene has gilded her wedding vow, sold herself and provided for a future without Albert. It's said furthermore that when the couple returns to Monaco Albert has to take a paternity test."
Rumor: "The illegitimate kids"
Voice-over: "A few days before the wedding the renowned editorial "L'express" claimed that Charlene allegedly wanted to run away. Albert is supposed to have confessed something to her. A couple of days later the rumors became more concrete - allegedly there are two new illegitimate kids. Especially juicy is that one kid is said to be born just a couple of weeks ago that would mean that it was fathered after the engagement with Charlene. But also this is fully understood in Monaco. At least designer Otto Kern who knows Albert very well."
Designer - Otto Kern: "He's 53, has had an eventful bachelorhood and in my opinion has found a woman who fits him. And if his bachelorhood sometimes catches up with him - I know that myself - then it happens. When my wife hears something like that she doesn't listen to it anymore."
Voice-over: "But it's of course something different when the kids were fathered during the relationship. Prince Albert already has two illegitimate kids who he has acknowledged - the 7-year-old Alexandre and the 19-year-old Jazmin Grace from the US. Luciano Desaro - owner of Albert's favorite restaurant 'Rampoldi' - has known the Prince for years."
Luciano Desaro: "I often see his son at the beach. Albert has a very affectionate relationship to him. He loves him very much. He's a beautiful kid, well-bred, very happy and well-liked here."
Voice-over: "Charlene herself hasn't met him yet. Rumor has it that she stays clear of Albert's kids and has no truck with them."
Rumor: "Bisexuality"
Voice-over: "Despite all the illegitimate kids and all the affairs, rumor persists in Monaco that Albert loves men. Of course nobody says this directly but on the wedding day and in high spirits suggestions are made."
Evelyn Sochi: "I just say what people tell me, what everybody says... no matter if it's at the beach or wherever... Yesterday I went to the beach and a beachboy told me 'i hope so much that he says no'... also hot yes... ."
Voice-over: "Albert himself told this in an interview before his enthronement."
Albert: "I'm very often seen without a female companion and so it's easy to say that I don't like women or that I like men and women or whatever. But my intimate circle knows who and what I'm."
Voice-over: "Albert is hard to catch - on the one hand the womanizer on the other the rumors. If they were true it would be twice as hard for Charlene to be with a man who had a very eventful past life but maybe she put up with it."
Rumor: "The ice princess"
That's what Charlene is called in the French press for them she is no victim but a calculating woman, a swimmer who never made it to the top, from a poor background. When she met Albert she allegedly smelled a chance and took it."
Evelyn Sochi: "She's very tough. I believe that she's very tough and she also has incredible requirements when pictures are taken from her then she approves of them beforehand etc. She cracks down on it and she isn't somebody who chatters loosely she isn't like that."
Voice-over: "This fits the fact that Charlene chooses specific charity projects to distinguish herself, she is e.g. a patron of the Special Olympics."
Otto Kern: "I think people get her aloofness wrong. I believe that she's still a little shy. When there are people around her with who she has the feeling that they like her she opens up and is happy especially with the handicapped she is completely normal. And so I believe that he (Albert) found the right one - easy as that."
Voice-over: "The Monegasques agree on Princess Charlene being difficult to judge - something which is said a lot behind the cameras. If all the rumors of the past days and weeks are true there is one question to ask 'Why has Charlene married Albert then?' A man who is supposed to have cheated on her during their engagement and fathered illegitimate kids. The answer is simple: 'Either Charlene is calculating and her wish to be a princess and to live a glamorous life at Albert's side overshadows everything or she accepts all this because of true and unconditional love."
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Post by emmeline on Jul 12, 2011 22:09:30 GMT -5
Thanks a lot Taz! Karma! Yay, the Ice Princess....!!!
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Post by margarita on Jul 13, 2011 0:26:04 GMT -5
Thank you taz for your time and effort!!! That was pretty much work and great job ! I love the sentence of Jo-Ann "Be careful, the camera is on, someone might translate." ... not "might" - but "will" . According to the reportage Charlene is a total control freak when it comes to her image in the media but nonetheless these scenes where filmed AND not cut and thrown away AND handed to a TV station AND shown in German TV AND we translate it now on an international message board ;D That's "translation culture" at its best ;D ;D ;D Nothings gonna stop us I found it interesting that they made a point on Alberts reportedly good relation to Alex. To say in the almost next sentence that Charlene has never seen him and is totally cool towards Albert and Alex. This was a quite clear sign of where the story is intended to go... And it's not in favour of the poor victim Charlene.
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Post by mrszinck on Jul 13, 2011 2:24:48 GMT -5
Karma Taz!
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Post by rachel on Jul 13, 2011 4:28:28 GMT -5
Thank you Taz!
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Post by donna on Jul 13, 2011 4:28:42 GMT -5
Thank you Taz, well done.
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Post by cstone on Jul 13, 2011 6:50:50 GMT -5
No one would pay any attention to these rumors if she had some type of job, own a business or had some type of accomplishment in her life
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Post by margarita on Jul 13, 2011 7:16:49 GMT -5
No one would pay any attention to these rumors if she had some type of job, own a business or had some type of accomplishment in her life cstone: I guess that's one of the main problems many of us here have with Charlene. And one of the main reasons for questioning her true motives to be around a Prince and marry him. In the RTL-clip from Explosiv is the comment: "She was an athlete who never made it to the very top. So maybe that's why she saw her big chance comming when she met Albert?" That would explain the comment of the media expert she consulted back in 2006 who said that it was evident she saw her future with Albert when she asked me how to deal with journalists. She wanted that tiara so badly and that title and the publicity the big world cup her father was so proud they won. And she got it! Finally a champ. What a shame the cup was already empty when she took it and the public it starting to reveal her as the gold digger she is.
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Post by MyAdia on Jul 13, 2011 9:15:18 GMT -5
Charlene: "You have to use this angle. None other. Ok, that's fine. Perfect."
Jo-Anne: "When you became famous you learned how to play with the press, don't you?" (She talks in Afrikaans)
Charlene: (rolling eyes) "Yes, very much."
Charlene: "Be careful, the camera is on they'll translate." (laughing) Thank you SO VERY MUCH TAZ FOR THE FULL TRANSLATION! I really hope more in the media start revealing this side of Charlene - her true side - her real nature. For Conlene, it has always and only been about the image - creating the photo opp that she wanted published. Alwyas! Remember what she told Vogue moments before she finally "sealed the deal" as she always stated on these message boards, " The photographs of me and Albert in love and getting married will speak louder than any vicious gossip and empty rumors.” Notice, she doesn't say, Seeing me and Albert in love and getting married will speak louder than any vicious gossip and empty rumors. No, the word photogrpahs is really important in what Charlene stated - because she knows that she can and have always staged the image that she wanted to be presented in the photographed. But, on both wedding days Albert didn't NOT play along.
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Post by MyAdia on Jul 13, 2011 9:18:18 GMT -5
Please look at this video of Charlene and ALbert at the St. Devote Church that a sugar loonie posted (on one of several smaller sugar boards where posters are uninformed and have only formed their judgments on Charlene's goodness and Albert & Charlene's love by looking at photos) as proof of Charlene's and Albert's love. Honestly, for a brief moment I actually felt sorry for Charlene as I watched this woman sobbed in what is not a pouting of happy emotions and love is the sugar loonies (more like crack addicts) believe! Charlene keeps looking desperately at Albert as she cries and at first I thought (as I did for the Swedish interview) that Chalrne so depsperately wanted love from Albert - hjust some loving tender gestures from him. But then I realized and belive with every fiber in my being that Chalrne was really more upset that Albert did not give her her PHOTOGRAPHIC IMAGES that she had waited and schemed for so long. As Royal Pauper had stated before, Chalrene wanted those loving gestures for her press and adoring fans. She wanted her wedding to go down ain history as the most loving beautiful majestic and class royal wedding ever. That's what she bragged about. Look at Charlene's face, she gets more and more frustrated with Albert because he wasn't giving her the photographic moments at the last stage of her made-for-tv wedding that sh waited 11 years for! aftr this event, the palace stopped the flow of photos and only released a handful of photos from the dinner gala. Albert was through with playing to Charlene's narcissism for those loving photos - that's why at Zuma's lunch - Charlene didn't give him his photographic moment. she must have had a talking to since she gave the kiss at 500-person reception the next night.
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Post by creativemind on Jul 13, 2011 9:38:49 GMT -5
i keep thinking of will & kate's photo with wedding party, queen etc ... then i think of their staircase photo where you can't even really see anyone. i expected she'd have her "crowning moment" in one of the palais ballrooms etc ... but didn't happen, just a staircase shot. albert was so not into his wedding day. it was like do this, do this, say this, okay, her turn, ride in the car, let's get this over with.
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Post by margarita on Jul 13, 2011 9:45:59 GMT -5
Please look at this video of Charlene and ALbert at the St. Devote Church that a sugar loonie posted (on one of several smaller sugar boards where posters are uninformed and have only formed their judgments on Charlene's goodness and Albert & Charlene's love by looking at photos) as proof of Charlene's and Albert's love. Honestly, for a brief moment I actually felt sorry for Charlene as I watched this woman sobbed in what is not a pouting of happy emotions and love is the sugar loonies (more like crack addicts) believe! Charlene keeps looking desperately at Albert as she cries and at first I thought (as I did for the Swedish interview) that Chalrne so depsperately wanted love from Albert - hjust some loving tender gestures from him. But then I realized and belive with every fiber in my being that Chalrne was really more upset that Albert did not give her her PHOTOGRAPHIC IMAGES that she had waited and schemed for so long. As Royal Pauper had stated before, Chalrene wanted those loving gestures for her press and adoring fans. She wanted her wedding to go down ain history as the most loving beautiful majestic and class royal wedding ever. That's what she bragged about. Look at Charlene's face, she gets more and more frustrated with Albert because he wasn't giving her the photographic moments at the last stage of her made-for-tv wedding that sh waited 11 years for! aftr this event, the palace stopped the flow of photos and only released a handful of photos from the dinner gala. Albert was through with playing to Charlene's narcissism for those loving photos - that's why at Zuma's lunch - Charlene didn't give him his photographic moment. she must have had a talking to since she gave the kiss at 500-person reception the next night. MyAdia ! this explanation makes total sense: Albert's way to boycott this farce... Of course it would have been better if he just had turned around and said "no!" but then he would have been the bad bad guy forever no matter how icy CW was behind the scene and Charlene forever the poor innocent bride and victim. That way he hit her on her former strongest but at the same time weakest (because ONLY) point: photos, images!!! Genius. I can't decide whether this is passive-agressive or simply fed-up--and-unable-to-pretend-anymore or a clever tactic ... or a mixture? Maybe that's why the media can't decide whether she was crying because she was sad or upset or desperate or all together. But so far nobody went for "happiness and love" ... it where tears for a purpose. Maybe Albert had finally learned to read her eventually with a little help . He is not the quickest but once he got it I think he can be very strickt.
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Post by taz on Jul 13, 2011 9:51:51 GMT -5
You're very welcome, guys and thanks a lot for the Karmas.
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Post by countess on Jul 13, 2011 12:42:47 GMT -5
seeing that again i'm convinced those are not sentimental tears, or tears of happiness, JMO she suddenly saw her future and it's a sad and depressing sight. yes i think she was looking for a sign of ANYTHING from FatAl, he looked around grinning at everybody and then gives her the stern evil eye, and IMO when he's talking to her, he's not being nice, look at how he looks at her.... i don't know what those looks are but it ISN"T LOVE! i would have been bawling too! the best part is that none kiss being included, i can't stomach watching it again, but i'd forgotten how she leaned in for the perfect photo shot and he didn't even aim the peck GEEZ that kiss is FOREVER, 50 years from now people will be looking up that video on youtube and saying exactly what we're saying WHATTHE@@@@
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Post by creativemind on Jul 13, 2011 21:51:58 GMT -5
her conniving flat ass was hoping albie would comfort her on live television, showing the world how IN LOVE he is with her, instead, albie was thinking about the real woman/man he was going to boink that night, she was ruining his visual so he got testy!
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Post by donna on Jul 14, 2011 4:03:51 GMT -5
She obviously didn't have enough snow to get her grinning through the two ceremonies. They should have made a way for her to fill up, before they headed for St. Devote.
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