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Post by MyAdia on Aug 5, 2011 10:33:42 GMT -5
The NY Mag article above had two comments when I first copied the article and they were both agreeing with Cathy about Charlene's style. Now, I cannot see them on the site. It just states that there are 3 comments, but I cannot see them. Perhaps we can see them when they are positive.
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Post by MyAdia on Aug 5, 2011 11:34:11 GMT -5
Predictable, a Huffington Post's style writer is coming to Charlene's defense. All the articles written on Huff post about Charlene (all in the Style category) have all praised her supposedly good style. So, the use Armani and Lagerfeld's words - whose clothes that Charlene buys - as PROOF that Cathy is wrong I love it when people come to her defense because it keeps Cathy's original comment in the news. Who knows, perhaps one day some would pull out her original style clothes to shut up Amrnai and Karl who keeps saying that Charlene has NATURAL elegance. Clearly, Cathy Horyn's opinion matters else people wouldn't be commenting on it.
Princess Charlene's Style 'A Flat Pancake,' Says Cathy Horyn
by Ellie Krupnick 8/5/11
Cathy Horyn is just about the most honest person in fashion, which is to say she is most definitely not the nicest. Case in point: a recent remark about the former-Charlene Wittstock.
Commenting on the 2011 International Best-Dressed List composed by Vanity Fair, Horyn applauded the choices of Christine Lagarde and the Duchess of Cambridge.
But as for the inclusion of the newly-crowned Princess of Monaco, the New York Times fashion critic wrote:
"Princess Charlene of Monaco was a stretch. Her style to me is something of a flat pancake, despite (or perhaps because of) the effort she applies."
Ouch. While it may be true that the former Miss Wittstock has a more classic, staid style, Horyn is hitting Princess Charlene where it hurts.
The royal told Vogue in July, "Finding my fashion feet has certainly been the biggest challenge," revealing the very public nature of her fashion choices to be rather anxiety-inducing.
As for Charlene trying too hard? We'd argue the Princess of Monaco tries no harder than the average royal or celeb by working with high-fashion designers for guidance who, for the record, speak highly of her style.
Giorgio Armani, who designed the princess's wedding ceremony and reception dresses, previously told Vogue UK, "Charlene is without a shadow of a doubt very beautiful...Dressing her is such a pleasure -- she knows how to wear my creations with the nonchalance and confidence of youth.
And none other than Karl Lagerfeld has embraced the newlywed, as Charlene explained to Vogue, "Karl took me to his workshop in Paris. He said, 'You are going to be a style icon. You bring a breath of fresh air and modern glamour to Monaco.'"
Not if Horyn has anything to do with it.
At least Charlene is in good company: Penelope Cruz, Lady Gaga and Christina Hendricks are all Cathy Horyn Take-Down Victims.
Read Cathy's full assessment of the Vanity Fair Best-Dressed List at NYTimes.com.
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Post by emmeline on Aug 5, 2011 14:41:17 GMT -5
'You are going to be a style icon. You bring a breath of fresh air and modern glamour to Monaco.'"
Conlene dear, keep dreaming!!
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Post by sandsla on Aug 5, 2011 22:55:25 GMT -5
'You are going to be a style icon. You bring a breath of fresh air and modern glamour to Monaco.'" Conlene dear, keep dreaming!! On top of that, Charlene sounds like a self important vain moron to actually publicly repeat in an interview what Karl said to her! What an idiot! Remember Charlene's weird attempt on the forums to share the comment that Steve Wynn said to her--she is so predictable..and obvious. It is the same exact thing. Anything to make her feel important--she is too pathetic. Sorry but Kathy got it right, and there is a reason she has "her job"! Charlene is the very opposite of natural or elegant. This woman obviously does not know the meaning of the word! Kate is elegant, Charlene is vulgar! Also there is a difference between fashion and style, and style is not taught or bought, if she didn't have it before e she met. Albert she isn't going to have it now, and she admitted this herself in her own interview. She is fortunate to have some designers to dress her and she still manages to look vulgar.
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Post by sandsla on Aug 5, 2011 23:02:26 GMT -5
Please! How much money do you think she?The Palace paid to get her on this list? There is absolutely not on e doubt in my mind that this was paid for. I have navigated this world, and swan with the biggest sharks for the past 40+ years and I know how it works. You can buy your way on this list with enough money and contacts if you can't make it on your own! That is absolutely right and that is why she was compared to Pia Zidora ? once, not because Pia didn't turn out to be a pretty good Torch singer, but because people were pissed off when her husband bought her the people's choice award one year! Not that anyone thinks much of that award, but it turned out to be more of an embarrassing moment for her. Everything is bought and done for this girl--too bad they can't buy her some integrity and grace.
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Post by paca on Aug 6, 2011 7:49:25 GMT -5
LOL I just read that Cathy Horyn got banned from Armani shows. Did she write that the guy has been doing the same thing over the past years and all that is changing is colour and fabric, but he lacks originality? Armani is for people who are scared of getting it wrong. And hence rather boring. It's expensive catalogue wear. He has had his time. Now he is past it.
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Post by hibou on Aug 6, 2011 8:06:04 GMT -5
'You are going to be a style icon. You bring a breath of fresh air and modern glamour to Monaco.'" Conlene dear, keep dreaming!! On top of that, Charlene sounds like a self important vain moron to actually publicly repeat in an interview what Karl said to her! What an idiot! Remember Charlene's weird attempt on the forums to share the comment that Steve Wynn said to her--she is so predictable..and obvious. It is the same exact thing. Anything to make her feel important--she is too pathetic. Sorry but Kathy got it right, and there is a reason she has "her job"! Charlene is the very opposite of natural or elegant. This woman obviously does not know the meaning of the word! Kate is elegant, Charlene is vulgar! Also there is a difference between fashion and style, and style is not taught or bought, if she didn't have it before e she met. Albert she isn't going to have it now, and she admitted this herself in her own interview. She is fortunate to have some designers to dress her and she still manages to look vulgar. Oh boy there is a huge difference between a "fashonista" and having style. Charlene grabs everything with a fancy label and big price tag. It's like art collectors who buy paintings just because it's signed by a big name artist, not necessarily because it's one of their best works. Kate despite her critics, mixes, matches and re-wears her clothes. In fact the sugar loonies who love Charlene, don't like Kate because she does this and then call her boring! So the more outrageous the more Charlene's star rises. Matching your dress to table clothes is such a high style moment.
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Post by refia on Aug 6, 2011 8:29:10 GMT -5
I don´t find Kate or Charlene really fashionable. Kate looks as if she gets advises of Camilla and Charlene is just, like you said, vulgar. Tbh those two women are replaceable, no personality and so materialistic.
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Post by MyAdia on Aug 6, 2011 8:44:20 GMT -5
LOL I just read that Cathy Horyn got banned from Armani shows. Did she write that the guy has been doing the same thing over the past years and all that is changing is colour and fabric, but he lacks originality? Armani is for people who are scared of getting it wrong. And hence rather boring. It's expensive catalogue wear. He has had his time. Now he is past it. It's true about Armani - all Charlene's pieces from him have the same style - like a flat blanket! What I find funny about all this is that Charlene has received more attention about being on the listr because Cathy Horyn says that it is a stretch to even have her on the list. This is just part of the pattern that happens when she seeks out attention she always get it - bu negative attention. Charlene courted every of the Vanity Fairs, each of the Vogues, and Tatler. This woman desperately wants to be known as a style icon and she thinks that she is entitled to it, that she can buy it or that it should be given to her like everything else was.
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Post by paca on Aug 6, 2011 9:17:59 GMT -5
Horyn apparently has written sth about Anna Wintour and her doing deals with Vogue. And since she is buddies with KL, I think the entire Vogue thing was a deal with heaps of money behind it. To me that pretty much disgrace Vogue, KL and Wintour as much as it does everyone around them. It does put Caro down in my opinion as well as surely she has been pulling the KL string. I doubt that he would have done anything for trashy if it wasn't for Caro. Interesting though that he does hardly ever come to the red cross or roseball anymore. He used to be a regular in MC now he is rarely ever here. He has fashion shows in ST Tropez and Cannes, but never in MC. Seems he is only keeping ties with MC in ways of keeping a door open just in case... But he is no longer making an effort.
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Post by duchesscornflower on Aug 6, 2011 23:54:38 GMT -5
Please! How much money do you think she?The Palace paid to get her on this list? There is absolutely not on e doubt in my mind that this was paid for. I have navigated this world, and swan with the biggest sharks for the past 40+ years and I know how it works. You can buy your way on this list with enough money and contacts if you can't make it on your own! cm7007, When I first read your post, I thought that maybe you did or did not have a point. After I bought the magazine and read the full list I began to laugh at the Vanity Fair article. Is it a coincidence or a PR campaign that put all of these socialites-jet-set-pseudo-celebrity types of people on the same list? Each with a connection to Monaco? Who is running the PR department in Monaco? ANDREA DELLAL, mother of Alex Dellal who is the boyfriend of Charlotte Casiraghi ALEJANDRO SANTO DOMINGO, half-brother of Tatiana Santo Domingo who is the girlfriend of Andrea Casiraghi COUNTESS MATILDE BORROMEO, half sister to Beatrice Borromeo who is the girlfriend of Pierre Casiraghi CHARLENE OF MONACO, wife of Albert II, Prince of Monaco
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Post by MyAdia on Aug 7, 2011 8:27:23 GMT -5
Last year a Fashion blogger Fashionista published the 2010 package that Vanity Fair sends out with their ballot and instructions for voting. The list is created by “an international committee of fashion authorities” and sent to "2000 qualified voters worldwide: fashion professionals, journalists, Hall of Fame members, and others with the daily opportunity to see fashion at its best." However, in 2010 6, of the 20 winners were NOT on the list “suggested for consideration.” Vanity Fair states in their ballot letter that they can choose others who are not on the lists. Do you believe that Charlene was actually on the list for consideration created by Fair, written as a "write-in" by one of the 2000 voters or was just chosen by Vanity Fair itself as they have done in the past? Even if Charlene was on the list, it is no guarantee that she was chosen by the “international committee of fashion authorities.” Regardless, I would love for someone who received a ballot to publish it as someone did last year. Fashionists doesn’t state why her source divulged the list, but the source was “a little birdie who is close with a member of the ‘international committee of fashion authorities’ slipped us the polling documents.” Imagine if you are one of the members of this so-called “international committee of fashion authorities,” how would you feel if a third of the winners who were not even nominated by your committee are deemed the international best dressed people in the world. Below are Vanity Fair’s polling documents. This is the cover for the 2010 package. The total Hall of Fame winners who also included in the package sent to the 2010 voters ( women and men) This is the ballot instruction letter that went to all the voters This is the list of people for consideration, starting with the women and then the men.
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Post by paca on Aug 7, 2011 9:10:25 GMT -5
LOL makes you wonder how likely the chances are that they all picked the same people who were not on the list.
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Post by MyAdia on Aug 8, 2011 18:24:08 GMT -5
Another style editor responds to Charlene's inclusion on the Best Dress List - she's a columnist for the respected Guardian (UK) and she's funny. She also picks at Charlene's friend Jenson Button.
Is the Vanity Fair best-dressed list getting sillier?
Yes, when Jenson Button features in the magazine's lineup of sartorial excellence, something has indeed gone very wrong
by Hadley Freeman Sunday 7 August 2011
Is it just me or does the Vanity Fair best-dressed list get more ridiculous every year? Katherine, New York
No, it is not just you, Katherine – it is a straight-out, scientifically proven, mathematically confirmed, empirically obvious fact. Now, look, no one is expecting right-on socialism from Vanity Fair, a magazine whose entire premise is that if you're famous you must be interesting. In fact I'd be, if not disappointed, then certainly unnerved if the magazine didn't include its usual ragtag selection of bankers, celebrity chefs, boring actors and random European royalty in its list. It would be like US Vogue not including Upper East Side socialites in its annual best-dressed list and other women who are utterly unknown and, more importantly, uninteresting to anyone outside the 10021 zip code.
But really, Vanity Fair, Jenson Button? Jenson bloody Button? Did you just look at his name and think, "Oh – Button! Well, he must know about clothing – let's stick him in there!" Or is the Eurotrash look by way of Fulham Broadway suddenly de rigueur in the Condé Nast building?
Kate Middleton was, of course, an inevitability: she's a mega-royal, she's thin, she's rich – she's Graydon Carter's wet dream, and I guess all that can outweigh even a fondness for nude tights. But Princess Charlene of Monaco, the runaway bride? Come ON! You're not even trying! Just thinking about her depresses me. When I see photos of Princess Charlene, I do not think: "Wow, that woman can really work a bias hem." I think: "Why isn't South Africa staging an intervention?" Was part of the deal for her to go through with the marriage that she would get on the list? If so, fair enough. I did think at the same time that being Princess of Taxexileiana wasn't really sufficient compensation for being married to that lecherous sack of potatoes who labours under name of Prince Albert.
Nice effort at timeliness, Vanity Fair, sticking Christine Lagarde on the list. But it feels somewhat reminiscent of when the Oscars give someone the lifetime-achievement gong: "Here, have this prize, and don't bump your arse on the door on your way out!"
Due to poor nausea control, I won't bother to research the looks of the other entrants on the list, including "Stavros Niarchos, shipping heir" (or, as he's known in my book, The Man Who Broke Paris Hilton's Heart), "Mario d'Urso, chairman of Mittel Capital" (you what?), "Alejandro Santo Domingo, financier" (now you're just making this up, Graydon), but I'm guessing that their bank accounts had more to do with their admission onto the lofty Vanity Fair best-dressed list than, you know, their dress.
But in 2008 rich people killed the worldwide economy for everyone but themselves, a move repeated last week regarding America's national debt by certain Republicans, or as novelist Ayelet Waldman recently called them on Twitter, "f*cking Tea Bagging fuckhats" – and who am I to argue with a novelist? So ever since then, well, rich people have looked a lot less stylish to everyone but each other. And as a result, the VF list just looks more obscene, stupid and anachronistic every year. Come on, Graydon – if you really wanted to look au courant, where's the Guardian's (very dapper) Nick Davies on that list? Knowing VF, though, if they'd considered reprazzenting Hackgate on the list they'd have probably put James Murdoch on it.
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Post by refia on Aug 8, 2011 18:30:31 GMT -5
The fashion industry is really merciless. IMO the only Royal on the list who is a fashion icon is Sheikha Mozah. I don´t like the authors remark about Kates thinness. It´s obvious that Kate is unnormal thin, she already looks like a boy. What a stupid list. And Charlene should stop to be a wannabe fashion icon, she doesn´t have "it".
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Post by MyAdia on Aug 10, 2011 8:40:30 GMT -5
Here's the link to Vanity Fair's slides of their Best Dressed list. The list starts off with three great photos of Kate - they know that Kate is a huge draw and selling point. There are only two photos of Charlene (slide #28 & 29). OMG! Akris named that drab slinky ray dress the "Miss Charlene"! Is this supposed to make it sell? Sheikha Moza Bint Nasser of Qatar - this woman rocks everything that she wears - pure elegance and class - something that Charlene can never buy! I even like the selections that they have for Christine Lagarde - brains and style, As for Charlene's style, I agree with Cathy Horyn - "Her style to me is something of a flat pancake, despite (or perhaps because of) the effort she applies."
H.S.H. Princess Charlene of Monaco OCCUPATIONS: Former Olympic swimmer; wife of Albert II, Prince of Monaco. RESIDENCE: The Prince’s Palace of Monaco. SIGNATURE ITEMS OF CLOTHING: One-shouldered silk-jersey “Miss Charlene” dress, by Akris; Armani Privé wedding gown. SHOES: Black Louboutin peep-toe pumps. JEWELRY: Chandelier diamond earrings. STYLE PREDECESSOR: Princess Grace. CAUSE: Special Olympics. Wearing Armani Privé in Monte Carlo.
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Post by countess on Aug 10, 2011 9:45:57 GMT -5
wasn't really sufficient compensation for being married to that lecherous sack of potatoes who labours under name of Prince Albert.
ROFL woowoooooooooooo karma for the writer of this article. the flying monkey flunkies can buy all the spots on these silly lists, it is the PUBLIC that crowns someone a style icon.....trashlene may fancy the title but the public has rejected her, she needs to just slink away and have her surgeries and service FatAL and quit promoting herself, it's pathetic
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Post by scout on Aug 10, 2011 10:12:26 GMT -5
They included a picture with those horrid gloves from National Day! That should have gotten her thrown off the list by itself. Obviously, this list is FOR SALE and Charlene bought a spot.
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Post by smt on Aug 10, 2011 11:31:25 GMT -5
Another style editor responds to Charlene's inclusion on the Best Dress List - she's a columnist for the respected Guardian (UK) and she's funny. She also picks at Charlene's friend Jenson Button.
Is the Vanity Fair best-dressed list getting sillier?
Yes, when Jenson Button features in the magazine's lineup of sartorial excellence, something has indeed gone very wrong
by Hadley Freeman Sunday 7 August 2011
Is it just me or does the Vanity Fair best-dressed list get more ridiculous every year? Katherine, New York
No, it is not just you, Katherine – it is a straight-out, scientifically proven, mathematically confirmed, empirically obvious fact. Now, look, no one is expecting right-on socialism from Vanity Fair, a magazine whose entire premise is that if you're famous you must be interesting. In fact I'd be, if not disappointed, then certainly unnerved if the magazine didn't include its usual ragtag selection of bankers, celebrity chefs, boring actors and random European royalty in its list. It would be like US Vogue not including Upper East Side socialites in its annual best-dressed list and other women who are utterly unknown and, more importantly, uninteresting to anyone outside the 10021 zip code.
But really, Vanity Fair, Jenson Button? Jenson bloody Button? Did you just look at his name and think, "Oh – Button! Well, he must know about clothing – let's stick him in there!" Or is the Eurotrash look by way of Fulham Broadway suddenly de rigueur in the Condé Nast building?
Kate Middleton was, of course, an inevitability: she's a mega-royal, she's thin, she's rich – she's Graydon Carter's wet dream, and I guess all that can outweigh even a fondness for nude tights. But Princess Charlene of Monaco, the runaway bride? Come ON! You're not even trying! Just thinking about her depresses me. When I see photos of Princess Charlene, I do not think: "Wow, that woman can really work a bias hem." I think: "Why isn't South Africa staging an intervention?" Was part of the deal for her to go through with the marriage that she would get on the list? If so, fair enough. I did think at the same time that being Princess of Taxexileiana wasn't really sufficient compensation for being married to that lecherous sack of potatoes who labours under name of Prince Albert.
Nice effort at timeliness, Vanity Fair, sticking Christine Lagarde on the list. But it feels somewhat reminiscent of when the Oscars give someone the lifetime-achievement gong: "Here, have this prize, and don't bump your arse on the door on your way out!"
Due to poor nausea control, I won't bother to research the looks of the other entrants on the list, including "Stavros Niarchos, shipping heir" (or, as he's known in my book, The Man Who Broke Paris Hilton's Heart), "Mario d'Urso, chairman of Mittel Capital" (you what?), "Alejandro Santo Domingo, financier" (now you're just making this up, Graydon), but I'm guessing that their bank accounts had more to do with their admission onto the lofty Vanity Fair best-dressed list than, you know, their dress.
But in 2008 rich people killed the worldwide economy for everyone but themselves, a move repeated last week regarding America's national debt by certain Republicans, or as novelist Ayelet Waldman recently called them on Twitter, "f*cking Tea Bagging fuckhats" – and who am I to argue with a novelist? So ever since then, well, rich people have looked a lot less stylish to everyone but each other. And as a result, the VF list just looks more obscene, stupid and anachronistic every year. Come on, Graydon – if you really wanted to look au courant, where's the Guardian's (very dapper) Nick Davies on that list? Knowing VF, though, if they'd considered reprazzenting Hackgate on the list they'd have probably put James Murdoch on it.
This has made my day! ;D
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Post by MyAdia on Aug 27, 2011 9:51:16 GMT -5
Clearly Princess Charlene of Monaco only appears because she’s newly minted elite; last year she was just a handmaiden of the Banana Republic. Here's another blogger who is not so impressed with Charlene on the list or the list itself. Ironically, this blog is about botox treatment .
Why Vanity Fair’s best-dressed list doesn’t matter in the Internet age
Whither Mr. Blackwell? Perusing Vanity Fair’s 72nd International Best Dressed List, I had a strange craving for the grump whose annual Worst-Dressed List was a talons-out teardown of sartorial hubris: “Melanie Griffith [is a]…Botox’d cockatoo in a painting by Dali.”
During the 48 years of his tawdry reign – he died in 2008 – Mr. Blackwell was often a sexist crank, berating actresses for every added ounce. But he was democratically cantankerous, unafraid to speak bitchy truth to power. Even beloved Elizabeth Taylor, at the top of her game in 1967, wasn’t spared: “[She] looks like two small boys fighting under a mink blanket.”
But in Vanity Fair, it’s hard to differentiate the genuflecting Best-Dressed list from its Most Influential or New Establishment lists. The anointed rich and famous include financiers, actors and socialites as well as a heavy dose of royalty. Of course the ubiquitous Duchess of Cambridge made the list, but more confusing is the inclusion (again) of the Duchess of Alba, who appears prone to taffeta skirts covered in prints from the Garanimals bedding line. Clearly Princess Charlene of Monaco only appears because she’s newly minted elite; last year she was just a handmaiden of the Banana Republic.
Of course the Vanity Fair list isn’t really about stylish people who have that rare ability to speak through fashion; it’s about wealthy people who can afford to be excellent shoppers. In fact, most of them have purchased their very own shoppers, a.k.a. stylists. These invisible hands seem to pull the same labels from the rack: Photos of the chosen show them wearing a laundry list of haute-couture designers like Lanvin, Armani and Dior. It is easy to look good in a “floor-length floral Vionnet gown,” as Carey Mulligan is wont. The true test of style is looking good during Christmas dinner with the in-laws. Where’s the Vanity Fair list of Best Self-Dressed Christmas Dinner-goers? I’d buy that.
The Internet has, paradoxically, made VF’s fashion roll call both ubiquitous and obsolete. Social networkingthrives on list-making: 25 Random Things About Me, 5 Best Cat Movies. Lists are a perfect bite-sized and commentary-free way to navigate the swamp of electronic information. In this “Like” culture, authority doesn’t lie with Vanity Fair but is traded privately – the best-dressed list you send to your friend probably has more currency (to you) than the one in the glossy magazine.
But where style is concerned, the Internet also offers unprecedented depth. On street fashion web sites like The Sartorialist and The Style Scout, designer labels aren’t the beginning and end of fashion, but uniquely mixed with other clothes. A creative, witty outfit can be snapped and delivered instantaneously to the other side of the world. Within days of the British riots, The New York Times T Magazine ran an on-line slideshow called Youth Quake, with the headline: “What do you wear when protest and mayhem rock your world?” Images of young people on the streets of London, Cairo and Tokyo include a student protester marching on the U.K. parliament with a keffiyeh scarf draped over a military jacket and a Tahrir Square demonstrator in a vest-hoodie sewn from an Egyptian flag. In post-nuclear-meltdown Japan, kids have taken to wearing oversized backpacks and sneakers, as if they might need to pack up and run away at any moment.
It’s a strange gallery; there’s something discomfiting about reducing social movements to fashion shows. On the other hand, these unplanned, accidental pictures (if there’s such a thing as an under-30 person who doesn’t believe that he or she will be photographed at least once a day) are a reminder that sometimes fashion really is a matter of personal expression, even (and especially) under the most constraining circumstances.
Back on the Vanity Fair list, Formula 1 driver Jenson Button looks good in his Hugo Boss suit at a gala, yet try to find a real-world photo of him in which he’s not wearing a baseball hat. Nonetheless, Button is a wealthy playboy and the list is aspirational. In May, American Express Business Insights released a survey of retail transactions that showed the luxury market in Canada had been booming. Spending on luxury items like fashion and restaurants shot up 14 per cent year-over-year in 2010. The first quarter of 2011 saw a 12-per-cent bump in luxury spending, while mainstream spending stayed flat. This, of course, is the “barbell effect” – in a tight economy, people buy either at the high end or the low end and little in between.
But that was the spring. The summer’s economic nosedive could hasten a retreat from luxury spending, making the Vanity Fair-peddled fantasy of princesses in $5,000 dresses seem even more like obscene excess a year from now. Then again, the Best-Dressed List will probably endure, rising to meet our longing. And we’ll be glad to be diverted, momentarily, by this relic of a time past.
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