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Post by paca on Dec 1, 2021 5:17:24 GMT -5
because they might have considered it part of her character to be moody. As I have said before, she probably came with issues. She probably also noticed that her moodiness often got her what she wanted, so she used it. And he probably noticed that ignoring her got him what he wanted. So she ended up a wreck and he got so used to it, that he didn't notice. Paired with the drugs, she became even more unstable. Maybe being seperated so long made them realise how bad she really was. I mean they had almost a year of calm and without moodswings or tantrums etc. Time to realize how life can be without that. And back she comes and things are within hours worse then when she left. We also need to consider that to her issues before come all the issues of menopause. Menopause is not easy on its own, but add it to her issues, it must be a nightmare for all involved.
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Post by agentf on Dec 1, 2021 7:42:33 GMT -5
What I find shocking is how people can have that level of neglect for their persons, when their wellbeing must be monitored constantly by their dietician, personal trainers, personal physician, assistants etc etc. when you're supposed to be a royal. because they might have considered it part of her character to be moody. As I have said before, she probably came with issues. She probably also noticed that her moodiness often got her what she wanted, so she used it. And he probably noticed that ignoring her got him what he wanted. So she ended up a wreck and he got so used to it, that he didn't notice. Paired with the drugs, she became even more unstable. Maybe being seperated so long made them realise how bad she really was. I mean they had almost a year of calm and without moodswings or tantrums etc. Time to realize how life can be without that. And back she comes and things are within hours worse then when she left. We also need to consider that to her issues before come all the issues of menopause. Menopause is not easy on its own, but add it to her issues, it must be a nightmare for all involved.
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Post by paca on Dec 1, 2021 8:54:58 GMT -5
same as for normal people: you need to want to listen. and in their position most people tell them what they assume they want to hear. I have witnessed people trying to get into Alberts butt, when he wasn't evene there. That is how they maintain their positions even when they lack talent. Like the guy who conducts the church choir. And steals from the donations. BTw since you mention personal trainer. The guy who was Alberts coach and CWs babysitter when she first came to MC is still his coach. Given that he was willing to babysit her and stage fake papparazzi ops to respond to our posts on the red forum, he is more than just a coach. I also remember another guy (though not one of her fans and one of the people who was angry with Albert for having out of wedlock kids, not for that fact, but the lack or limited relationship those kids could have with him. He also told me that there were more kids, but the mothers didn't want it to be known. At least one of them is supposedly Italian and there was talk of a mother wealthy in her own right, not needing any money). He used to call Albert his friend, but always said that it was obviously for Albert to decide if he was a friend. I think that basically sums it up what people around him are like and what kind of response he can expect. Within limits his sisters may be the only ones actually being honest to him. Within limits of course. Remember that Caro courtsies in front of him. IMO the only one ever speaking truth to him were his parents. And he didn't like to listen to his father, so Rainier made sure that most of the Grimaldi wealth could never get into the hands of a golddigger.
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Post by paca on Dec 1, 2021 13:03:13 GMT -5
An article from PM. You need to watch a video if you want free access. Not much new. They are saying she went to the zulu kings funeral and then did the rhino thing. So that means that she never returned from SA after that. It also means that the easter pics have been shot in SA. And her dog was run over at Roc agel. www.parismatch.com/Royal-Blog/Monaco/Charlene-bienvenue-a-Monaco-1771006
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Post by agentf on Dec 1, 2021 15:31:41 GMT -5
Actually, while on the topic, they should check CC for exposure to black mould. It's devastating. My last Toronto apartment had been badly renovated and the central air unit (that had never been changed in 35 years! Or cleaned apparently!) in summer blew spores from switching to water for the air conditioning. It leaked too, so it was in the closet. I ended up at the ER with symptoms like shingles. They were deadbeat high-end landlords (Felcorp). One neighbour who'd been there 10 years ended up with seizures, another's asthma was worsened and she was bedridden and yet another neighbour there 25 years above me had lung cancer though thankfully they wintered in Florida or no doubt she'd have been dead. Anyway. CC may have been exposed during any renovation while recuperating from one of her many surgeries where spores could have entered her system. Not to sound alarmist, but I'd run tests stat. It can cause symptoms like psychological issues from brain interference. Plus, she got immediately worse when she got back... An article from PM. You need to watch a video if you want free access. Not much new. They are saying she went to the zulu kings funeral and then did the rhino thing. So that means that she never returned from SA after that. It also means that the easter pics have been shot in SA. And her dog was run over at Roc agel. www.parismatch.com/Royal-Blog/Monaco/Charlene-bienvenue-a-Monaco-1771006
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Post by paca on Dec 7, 2021 14:11:54 GMT -5
another article on the marriage and comparisson to Grace and her marriage. Nadia Lacoste also gets a mention. Apparently she only died last February... nypost.com/2021/12/04/princess-charlene-and-princess-grace-share-tragic-bond/Interesting points on the Wittstocks and their role in the matter... finally someone spells it out. And since they mention Graces weight and her fight against weight, I wonder if her stroke might be related and that is why they threw Steph under the bus. I know that at the time in the US weighloss pills were a huge thing. And rather dangerous too. Many were never allowed in Europe, but surely Grace might have gotten her hands on them and taken them. That would have caused quite a stir, had that been made public.....
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Post by agentf on Dec 7, 2021 16:53:35 GMT -5
I stopped reading where it said her career was somehow on par with Grace couched in the words: their "independent lives". 🙄 Grace was successful in her own right. Not a fair comparison without demeaning Grace. The NY Post is not totally reliable anyway. That Cindy Adams woman has lost a lot of credibility with Trump. They're from a bygone era and have been found out. So pass the salt. another article on the marriage and comparisson to Grace and her marriage. Nadia Lacoste also gets a mention. Apparently she only died last February... nypost.com/2021/12/04/princess-charlene-and-princess-grace-share-tragic-bond/Interesting points on the Wittstocks and their role in the matter... finally someone spells it out. And since they mention Graces weight and her fight against weight, I wonder if her stroke might be related and that is why they threw Steph under the bus. I know that at the time in the US weighloss pills were a huge thing. And rather dangerous too. Many were never allowed in Europe, but surely Grace might have gotten her hands on them and taken them. That would have caused quite a stir, had that been made public.....
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Post by paca on Dec 7, 2021 19:08:37 GMT -5
I know it is not a fair comparisson, they weren't contemporaries, but still there are a few similarities. Obviously Albert is very different to his father as well. Still I don't dicard it fully. I don't know the author, as I don't most others. Still I think that they are the first media to recognize that the Wittstocks like the lifestyle and are not willing to give it up easily as well as may not have CWs best interest at heart. Not quite calling them out as the parasites they really are, but a step forward from constantly attacking Caro.
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Post by agentf on Dec 7, 2021 19:28:16 GMT -5
I didn't get that far. It seemed to be another mashup of everything you've said. You should get royalties from these magazines 😉 I know it is not a fair comparisson, they weren't contemporaries, but still there are a few similarities. Obviously Albert is very different to his father as well. Still I don't dicard it fully. I don't know the author, as I don't most others. Still I think that they are the first media to recognize that the Wittstocks like the lifestyle and are not willing to give it up easily as well as may not have CWs best interest at heart. Not quite calling them out as the parasites they really are, but a step forward from constantly attacking Caro.
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Post by margarita on Dec 7, 2021 22:51:50 GMT -5
Thanks for finding this! Basically agree - just that Grace had a real career before becoming POM. She might have stayed an actress. She was a person on her own. Unlike Charlene - she even did not qualify for the next Olymic games but retired due to a shoulder injury (true or not). Maybe Albert was chosing her for that reason. Everyone told him she was tough (enough for the job?) but she didn't have a career on her own she had to give up in order to become POM. She gave nothing up. She was not competing anymore -regardless of Monaco. But agree on the role of her family. Just read part of the interview of her father again: news.in-24.com/lifestyle/celebrities/209875.htmlAnd then I put it together with the article Paca send - that the whole family was blabbing again. Plus ad it to yesterdays articles I found that all stress how much support Sean and Gareth and their families now support Albert. If you take all of that together - I'm not good in math but - what comes out is that Charlene who was searching the support (like Grace) of allies in her home country but meet the Zulu family - not even her own parents - with a stupid father who still didn't get it and claims that swimming 20 km a day 20 years ago qualifies her to the job as POM and obviously not only trained her in the water back then but even pushed her into the role as POM - is now trying to come out of both roles: daughter of her parents and POM. And all - her father, her brothers and wifes plus Albert have no interest of her comming out. As for her own family - guess it's clear why. And Albert would have been forced to admit that after decades of waiting he picked a total "Griff ins Klo" as we say in German (total failure)- as mother of his children, as mother and First Lady of the country and as wife who was supposed to support him or at least not cause permanent problems. Thats simply the fact. She was never able to perfom in any of these roles. Not even for a period of time. Unlike Grace - who suffered but performed. That's why people have respect for her. And even though she suffered it seems to me that people rather did relate her suffering to Monaco - while in the case of Charlene people rather put it on her initial lack of substance. And here we are again. It was not the substance Grace had that made her suffer. IMO it was what her helped to survive. Hope that Charlene gets help to find her true self and gets out of that and that Albert understands that it was not Monaco in the first line that broke Charlene - but everyone who put her into that role for egoistic reasons, including himself. For herself, himself, the childrens and the countries sake he should be open for any kind of developement now. Including a split. I think it is no coinsidence that her brothers with wifes suddently show so united (and make sure it makes the headlines), that her father is giving an interview and that "sources" make a parallel PR again. Might be that Albert (with help of his family) is close to realize it but Charlene's family want's to keep her in the role.
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Post by paca on Dec 8, 2021 6:52:55 GMT -5
the whole united front with the Wittstocks included in official family outings is IMO a PR stunt. I think that Albert asked them to do that in order to pay him back for the millions he blew on them. I think they want to go the tight family road, pulling together intime of crisis. I find it hardly credible as they did zilch the past 15 years. They were there at several occasions, but not like this. And this outing with Caros family seems a bit ott. They never did anything like that before. Ever. I think this is what they will fall back on for a spin, if it fails. Maybe they already negotiated their parting package behind CWs back. But these pics are supposed to make Albert look good, Caro not being the culprit and the Wittstocks not quite the parasites they really are. I do think that they are calculating with a divorce and are already putting the spin on. The way they are working PR, my guess is that they will have her return in 2022 to MC but no official work. They will be living seperately and possibly making it public before NH next year. As to divorce, Albert might chose Caros road. Though he might get pressured into divorce, so that Caro can be officially be the first lady again. I doubt he will get married a second time. Probably having unofficial lovers. As to the Wittstocks, they will probably get money to keep stumm. Well, as much as they can help themselves. The parents won't be around very much longer, so he only needs to fit up the bros. Interesting the role of Roisin. While Chantell is front and center, she seems to be more in the background. Before her marriage, she wore CWs old clothes to official events, but after, she stepped into the background. Also at first she was portrayed as somewhat of friend to CW, but now Chantell seems to have shoved herself into the place of confidante, friend, spokeshole whereas Roisin has reduced herself to motherhood. She doesn't even go to most events with her husband. my guess is that shelikes the comfortable life, but not the drama. She probably wouln't mind moving back to Ireland or some other part of France. I don't think she is too keen on MC. I think if the media want interesting stories, they should look at the different players in the family.
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Post by paca on Dec 8, 2021 12:01:07 GMT -5
I found this obituary of Nadia Lacoste. That the tv festival attracts as many people (as in celebrities) as Cannes is a lie. The festival happens mainly inside and in the media. outside you see fairly few "fans". I passed by plenty of times on my way to the beach. Cannes is full and plenty of yachts are there at the time of the festival. for the tv festival there are no more than usual. www.ibacom.fr/un-destin-dexception-nadia-lacoste/
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Post by agentf on Dec 8, 2021 13:10:51 GMT -5
MIPCOM is huge in the industry. I recall during my brief time in that world, and it's a big market. Lots of money traded, deals etc. Not that I enjoyed that stint much at all; CFOs lurking while you reach down in the fridge in the lunch room, trying to make pretexts to travel with you (denied); insane egos...in the accounting department!?; a boss with traces of domestic abuse on her face; reporters breaking the rules and sending actors into meltdown; a female HR boss telling you you eat like a cow while trying to fit in in the lunch room then changes the door access codes without telling you; a creative départment run by a slave driver who thinks she can take you from your department; a hissing receptionist; an IT guy spying on your emails and dropping hints; a pregnant coworker off the rails - all of it endured for a time, because the founder was a stellar human being and son of a great female economist. Until the first 5-hour angina attack. Buh-bye. So Nadia Lacoste get the "Where She Came From" literary treatment. Now, THAT was a great book, by Helen Epstein (🤔). Well I'm not one to take away another woman's achievement in survival, however I reserve my suspicion that she was other than a wheel in a propaganda machine, and that some of its tenuous link to reality we still see evidence of in some failures to tie everything up too neatly. I found this obituary of Nadia Lacoste. That the tv festival attracts as many people (as in celebrities) as Cannes is a lie. The festival happens mainly inside and in the media. outside you see fairly few "fans". I passed by plenty of times on my way to the beach. Cannes is full and plenty of yachts are there at the time of the festival. for the tv festival there are no more than usual. www.ibacom.fr/un-destin-dexception-nadia-lacoste/
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Post by paca on Dec 8, 2021 14:33:53 GMT -5
I was talking about MC Tv festival not Mipcom.
I think her fault was to tie the family to MCs image. They could have had less intrusion into their private lifes. Though I believe it was mainly Rainiers idea. If you look at some of that PR it is rather cringe worthy. PR should promote MC as a place for business, culture etc. But instead the focus is always on the family. That brings a lot of pressure on members. And especially females as they make for much better pictures. Men in suits are mostly boring.
Anyways MC needs a complete PR overhaul. Too stuck in the 50s. Might want to move into this century. Honouring Josephine Baker is a first babystep and should have happened decades ago. Following Paris lead, makes MC look small and dependent. How about making an exhibit on women in the Grimaldi Forum next summer? Have the orchestra feature female composers, conducters etc. Have the national gallery do an exhibit on female painters. Plenty of opportunities. Or make gender a topic. Like men playing women on stage and what that meant for the perception of women. Or how about women in science then and now. Exploring women. that would give MC a much more modern touch. Or try sth controversial to make people think and discuss.
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Post by agentf on Dec 8, 2021 14:43:54 GMT -5
They were highlighting the ancestor's adventures, but why stop there? If they kept statistics of innovations linked to Monaco's citizens, achievements, anything groundbreaking though not shady. The various "refugees" and their stories, and the positive impacts of Monaco's citizens on the outside world. Do heritage capsules, showcase Monaco's great culinary chefs. Etc. I was talking about MC Tv festival not Mipcom. I think her fault was to tie the family to MCs image. They could have had less intrusion into their private lifes. Though I believe it was mainly Rainiers idea. If you look at some of that PR it is rather cringe worthy. PR should promote MC as a place for business, culture etc. But instead the focus is always on the family. That brings a lot of pressure on members. And especially females as they make for much better pictures. Men in suits are mostly boring. Anyways MC needs a complete PR overhaul. Too stuck in the 50s. Might want to move into this century. Honouring Josephine Baker is a first babystep and should have happened decades ago. Following Paris lead, makes MC look small and dependent. How about making an exhibit on women in the Grimaldi Forum next summer? Have the orchestra feature female composers, conducters etc. Have the national gallery do an exhibit on female painters. Plenty of opportunities. Or make gender a topic. Like men playing women on stage and what that meant for the perception of women. Or how about women in science then and now. Exploring women. that would give MC a much more modern touch. Or try sth controversial to make people think and discuss.
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Post by paca on Dec 8, 2021 16:00:43 GMT -5
well, they could also showcase their residents. I don't recall her name, but a famous french actress and her brother grew up in MC. their father was a palace guard. Could have been fanny ardent, but not sure. On the downside there was that nasty piece of rapist politician, strauss kahn who also grew up in MC. Unfortunetely plenty like him living in the region... Maybe raise awareness on predators, teach men how to behave towards women?
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Post by margarita on Dec 10, 2021 5:58:11 GMT -5
Here is Tatler prising Charlene - or the image she wanted to create of herself and/ or someone wanted for her to be created - like perfect in any way. perfect mom. perfect princess. perfect wife. perfect perfect www.tatler.com/article/princess-charlene-of-monaco-interview-tatler-cover-starI remember there was a self-dynamic in this media campagne. It was just tooo much praisig and when someone (like us) was questioning Charlene the bew godness and flag ship of Monaco we where called haters. Btw - she didn't oppose then but liked the media coverage. And where are we today? Did this image ever exist as real person in real life? If you compare that article to the other one I posted today (in the Charlene thread) it looks like there are 2 different persons we are talking about.
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Post by axelle on Dec 10, 2021 8:20:38 GMT -5
This one reads like a fairytale - yes back then she was all about grabbing the media attention.
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Post by agentf on Dec 10, 2021 9:08:24 GMT -5
I think it proves she benefits from the same PR channels as the Harkles. You can see where the lines are drawn. Plus British media love to needle Albert, so they would give her a platform for whitewashing her record as less than perfect. Anything to keep the issues front and center. Here is Tatler prising Charlene - or the image she wanted to create of herself and/ or someone wanted for her to be created - like perfect in any way. perfect mom. perfect princess. perfect wife. perfect perfect www.tatler.com/article/princess-charlene-of-monaco-interview-tatler-cover-starI remember there was a self-dynamic in this media campagne. It was just tooo much praisig and when someone (like us) was questioning Charlene the bew godness and flag ship of Monaco we where called haters. Btw - she didn't oppose then but liked the media coverage. And where are we today? Did this image ever exist as real person in real life? If you compare that article to the other one I posted today (in the Charlene thread) it looks like there are 2 different persons we are talking about.
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Post by donna on Dec 10, 2021 16:46:11 GMT -5
Tatler is a magazine for the upper class in UK, showing the upper class in a very positive ligth, of course. They would never write anything dodgy about her.
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