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Post by paca on Jul 18, 2012 11:29:54 GMT -5
there is already some discussion going on in the engagement thread. It certainly explains the recent onslaught on the forum by trashys camp. They really seem to feel threatened... In any case I don't think he is only marrying her because she is pregnant. They have been together this long without her getting pregnant. I don't think that it was in accident or Tatiana putting pressure on Andrea. She said clearly in the interview which was posted recently, that she saw herself with plenty of kids and dogs 10 years from now. So that IMO makes that a very conscious decision for a pregnancy. At that age it means that either you are with the person who wants the same thing or you seperate and find that person if you are in a relationship. I also do not think that anyone ever would have thhought about money for the baby. First of all I do believe that Caro would not tolerate her son not being a decent father to his childnor do I think that Andrea, who grew up without a father would want that for his child. Secondly Tatiana would not have needed any Grimaldi money and I doubt that she would have taken any, had he not wanted to be with her and the child. IMO there was no question that all of them wanted the baby. the choice they propose in the article was IMO never even thought of. And I really do not think that Tatiana got pregnant to put pressure on trashy. I think with these two it is above all about them and the baby. The details I think Caro handles. And she certainly would most of all want her sons and grandkids happiness. She loves kids way too much to use them for political plotting IMO. It will be fun to see her as a granny and Alex as a little aunty She is probaly the most thrilled of everyone.
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Post by refia on Jul 18, 2012 12:00:51 GMT -5
Oh god Charlenes flunkies are so funny. One even doesn´t wants to believe they are engaged. So Carolines statement in Monaco Matin is invalid?
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Post by MyAdia on Jul 18, 2012 15:21:22 GMT -5
That's definitely a pregnant belly - which clearly explains the latest hate spree and Charlene's sour permanent look! Don't worry, she will do a permanency of a lifetime for the cameras when she and Tati are together. Note to all you silly sugah loonies - this is what a belly looks like on a woman who is really pregnant and not the pooch that Charlene has been carrying for years that you have been swearing for the last six months is a pregnant belly.
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Post by itoldyouso on Jul 18, 2012 18:41:25 GMT -5
That's definitely a pregnant belly - which clearly explains the latest hate spree and Charlene's sour permanent look! Don't worry, she will do a permanency of a lifetime for the cameras when she and Tati are together. Note to all you silly sugah loonies - this is what a belly looks like on a woman who is really pregnant and not the pooch that Charlene has been carrying for years that you have been swearing for the last six months is a pregnant belly. .....it's OK, MyAdia, Monaco is well aware what a pregnant belly looks like and it is usually without a ring on any finger.. plus ca change..
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Post by itoldyouso on Jul 18, 2012 18:43:35 GMT -5
there is already some discussion going on in the engagement thread. It certainly explains the recent onslaught on the forum by trashys camp. They really seem to feel threatened...In any case I don't think he is only marrying her because she is pregnant. They have been together this long without her getting pregnant. I don't think that it was in accident or Tatiana putting pressure on Andrea. She said clearly in the interview which was posted recently, that she saw herself with plenty of kids and dogs 10 years from now. So that IMO makes that a very conscious decision for a pregnancy. At that age it means that either you are with the person who wants the same thing or you seperate and find that person if you are in a relationship. I also do not think that anyone ever would have thhought about money for the baby. First of all I do believe that Caro would not tolerate her son not being a decent father to his childnor do I think that Andrea, who grew up without a father would want that for his child. Secondly Tatiana would not have needed any Grimaldi money and I doubt that she would have taken any, had he not wanted to be with her and the child. IMO there was no question that all of them wanted the baby. the choice they propose in the article was IMO never even thought of. And I really do not think that Tatiana got pregnant to put pressure on trashy. I think with these two it is above all about them and the baby. The details I think Caro handles. And she certainly would most of all want her sons and grandkids happiness. She loves kids way too much to use them for political plotting IMO. It will be fun to see her as a granny and Alex as a little aunty She is probaly the most thrilled of everyone. Yes, she certainly knows how to "handle".
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Post by agentf on Jul 18, 2012 19:05:50 GMT -5
I insist it's Gad Elmaleh standing on something if you really think he's that short. I mean, he looks like a giant next to Bouze de Chamelle. And yes, wedding band or not, I'm going to think they eloped at least for the civil part because it fits squarely with my romantic notions As per Celebitchy, they're just stoking the conversation. It's obvious Andrea and Tatiana have a deep commitment to each other. I've said it and I'll repeat it, theirs is the most stable relationship in Monaco. Pierre can make it for the religious ceremony which IMO I would have after the baby's birth but then again, these people are young and they have much more energy than me and a good support system. I just wish I were going. I think they'll have to sedate CC for that though, but hey! she's no stranger to doping there are different capitain patents. pretty much like driving licenses. The one you need for a yacht is not one you need for a cruise ship or a tanker. Most yacht captains do not have the right patent. Or as my dad used to put it: those who work on yachts are of no use on normal ships. They are not real seamen. Of course there are different requirements depending on the size of a yacht, but the Pacha is a relatively small one, so a small patent is sufficient. Also I do not think that the person you think is Elmaleh is really him. Elmaleh is relatively short and the one you pointed out is taller then Andrea. Significantly taller. And younger. Not mentioning that he has the same haircolour as Andrea. He would have to be 1,90 at least seeing that Andrea just about reaches his shoulder. And if you look at pics of Elmaleh and Charlotte, you will notice that he is not much taller then her. I also did not see Pierre on the boat, but most importantly I do not see a wedding band on her finger. I really think they only had a party for the engagement and the wedding will be held in St Remy, where they have plenty of privacy and good childhood memories. It also seems the kind of rural setting for a wedding Tatiana might like. Of course you are free to believe that they are already married, but I think that they will be getting married quietly. Seeing that they went back to MC I could imagine that they may hold a small civil ceremony in MC now and the church wedding later. I could even imagine that they would wait until after the birth of the baby and then have the church wedding and the baptism at the same time. That would go along with a spring wedding in St Remy as I have read. Considering the belly, I'd say the baby is about mid pregnancy, so due in winter....
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Post by paca on Jul 19, 2012 5:22:28 GMT -5
LOL the guy you mistake for Elmaleh has to have a carry around stand on thing as he is pictured standing right behind Andrea in a different pic without the fez. Elmaleh is 1,77m which would be IMO shorter then Andrea. Charlotte is not very tall and look at the difference in size between them... If you mean Jamel Debbouze by Bouze de Chamelle, then you are right. He is very short with 1,65m. I guess that would be about Charlottes size....
as for the rest I think it's more your thoughts then theirs. Pierre was at the party in the villa in his Bermudas though. I'm sticking to a St Remy wedding, but wouldn't be surprised if there was a civil wedding in MC these days. Caro was pretty good in surprising everyone with her wedding to Ernst. Considering that Tatiana seems pretty far in her pregnancy IMO the civil wedding will be taking place before officials go on holidays in August. Just to make sure that the baby is legit even if born early. Otherwise things would get complictaed with recognizing the paternity etc, whereas a baby born in weddlock is automatically considered the child of the husband. Even if it isn't gentically. Not that I have doubts in this case, but there are cases and for the genetic fathers it is very difficult to get access to their child, if it was born in a marriage with someone else. Whereas with out of wedlock kids the mother has to allow to recognize the father...
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Post by grimnir on Jul 19, 2012 5:53:55 GMT -5
That's definitely a pregnant belly - which clearly explains the latest hate spree and Charlene's sour permanent look! Don't worry, she will do a permanency of a lifetime for the cameras when she and Tati are together. Note to all you silly sugah loonies - this is what a belly looks like on a woman who is really pregnant and not the pooch that Charlene has been carrying for years that you have been swearing for the last six months is a pregnant belly. Should Tatiana start watching her back?
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Post by paca on Jul 19, 2012 6:39:03 GMT -5
That's definitely a pregnant belly - which clearly explains the latest hate spree and Charlene's sour permanent look! Don't worry, she will do a permanency of a lifetime for the cameras when she and Tati are together. Note to all you silly sugah loonies - this is what a belly looks like on a woman who is really pregnant and not the pooch that Charlene has been carrying for years that you have been swearing for the last six months is a pregnant belly. Should Tatiana start watching her back? Absolutely. With those loony tunes around, you never know what they will come up with. Someone who haunts the boards the way they do has massive psychological problems. They need to have psychiatric ward as their new home...
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Post by hibou on Jul 19, 2012 7:19:53 GMT -5
I think what I like most about Tatiana is her discretion. This is not to say that all of her very excellent connections won't protect her from scum. I think exclusion or social exile is the preferred method of this group. A snub for the catty comments. It's why no one hears much about them. It works well for the BRF, and I think Tatiana has done a great job of putting that cloak around Andrea. JMO.
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Post by paca on Jul 19, 2012 9:15:11 GMT -5
I think what I like most about Tatiana is her discretion. This is not to say that all of her very excellent connections won't protect her from scum. I think exclusion or social exile is the preferred method of this group. A snub for the catty comments. It's why no one hears much about them. It works well for the BRF, and I think Tatiana has done a great job of putting that cloak around Andrea. JMO. I think Caro did that mostly by making sure that her kids moved within a specific circle. Not like Steph or Albert. I think Charlotte is rebelling a little by dating Elmaleh, who does not by birth belong to that group of people, but certain circles of society open their doors more easily to talent then money...
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Post by agentf on Jul 19, 2012 10:12:21 GMT -5
Monaco is a Catholic principality. A minimum requirement should at least be Christendom. In my personal experience, the dynamic is always to be guilted (forever the pattern!) into conversion which is a renunciation, let's be clear, and furthermore unequal, thereby always requiring a greater sacrifice from the Christian who, because conditioned to, will make literally that leap of faith - at her expense. In this case, as per many royal families and governments, it's a question of sovereignty being harnessed to an entirely foreign agenda that masks itself only to return to lord over the same people it usurped power from. It's intrinsically dishonest and an unnecessary scenic route to subjugation. I stand for freedom. "F" for freedom! PS: Thank you to whoever restored my karma point. I feel however that I'm going to ruffle feathers with this post but I'll cherish the point however ephemeral!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2012 11:15:49 GMT -5
What a big stomach! Does it last to next year?
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Post by paca on Jul 19, 2012 15:36:16 GMT -5
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Post by itoldyouso on Jul 19, 2012 19:54:53 GMT -5
That's definitely a pregnant belly - which clearly explains the latest hate spree and Charlene's sour permanent look! Don't worry, she will do a permanency of a lifetime for the cameras when she and Tati are together. Note to all you silly sugah loonies - this is what a belly looks like on a woman who is really pregnant and not the pooch that Charlene has been carrying for years that you have been swearing for the last six months is a pregnant belly. Should Tatiana start watching her back? Like MOST Grimaldi brides, Id say she she should be watching her front.....
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Post by hibou on Jul 20, 2012 8:13:57 GMT -5
Should Tatiana start watching her back? Like MOST Grimaldi brides, Id say she she should be watching her front..... Except Charlene, the one that's supposed to be producing the heir. Just saying...
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Post by itoldyouso on Jul 20, 2012 19:10:11 GMT -5
Like MOST Grimaldi brides, Id say she she should be watching her front..... Except Charlene, the one that's supposed to be producing the heir. Just saying... Indeed, paca. It seems that legitimate conception continues to evade the Grimaldis. It is interesting to note that only 2 out of Rainier's 9 grandchildren were actually conceived within wedlock. There are doubts too, about himself, his mother and his grandfather Louis II being the offspring of their "legal" fathers not to mention that his sisters 3 were also "out of wedlock". Small wonder therfore, the Grimaldi are referred to as "bastards". Charlene, honey, you dont stand a chance.....
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Post by refia on Jul 21, 2012 19:22:08 GMT -5
Yeah, she should just leave Monaco forever.
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Post by agentf on Jul 21, 2012 19:38:32 GMT -5
I thought this was the thread about Tatiana and Andrea's engagement. It suddenly veered into a backwash of bile instead. I guess happy news bring out the worst in some people. And also very likely from people who'd have been thrown in jail for the insults, that is, until one of them married into the Grimaldis. Gratitude is on short supply with the greedy.
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Post by itoldyouso on Jul 22, 2012 20:22:32 GMT -5
Great pix from the boat.
Lovely to see the little German girl dressed like a hooker..... family traditions are great n'est pas ?
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