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Post by agentf on Sept 6, 2013 18:29:27 GMT -5
With the princely family eschewing Catholicism, has religion lost its relevance in Monaco? If so, why not declare it so? Can Grace's main charities, from the Red Cross to Amade - traditionally Christian - continue with halfhearted Grimaldis putting on a front? Pour la forme? And then what? The patron saint of Monaco, Devota, was a Catholic martyr. The Franciscans forgave the Grimaldis for their subterfuge when they invaded the Roc, and the Catholic Bourbons later made them princes. More recently, without papal decree, some Grimaldi marriages would not have happened without an annulment. At a time when the Vatican is fighting for survival and returning to the essence of the Christian message by pushing aside political agendas to help the poor, it's uncanny how some who have benefitted from the Church's indulgence still refuse to do their part and at least not muck it up for everyone else. Monaco is losing its religion, in more ways than one.
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Post by tops on Sept 7, 2013 9:00:23 GMT -5
With the princely family eschewing Catholicism, has religion lost its relevance in Monaco? If so, why not declare it so? Can Grace's main charities, from the Red Cross to Amade - traditionally Christian - continue with halfhearted Grimaldis putting on a front? Pour la forme? And then what? The patron saint of Monaco, Devota, was a Catholic martyr. The Franciscans forgave the Grimaldis for their subterfuge when they invaded the Roc, and the Catholic Bourbons later made them princes. More recently, without papal decree, some Grimaldi marriages would not have happened without an annulment. At a time when the Vatican is fighting for survival and returning to the essence of the Christian message by pushing aside political agendas to help the poor, it's uncanny how some who have benefitted from the Church's indulgence still refuse to do their part and at least not muck it up for everyone else. Monaco is losing its religion, in more ways than one. I believe that the concept of responsible fatherhood (starting at the top) has been abused as well. a very bad example was set not once but twice. maybe there are more unrecognized children as well. his poor kids had mothers who had to fight for their recognition and respect. now with sexually transmitted diseases on the rise in Monaco, it's a revealing fact that the youth there are sorely misguided. unhealthy regard from the start. this family needs to be given a reality check. not sure how or when it will happen. that attitude of parenthood should give the citizens an insight as to their true worth, which is embarrassing. Best if governing powers are taken away and given to elected officials who EARN their position instead of having it handed down. Al, being the male was favored and look what happened. just put the governing into the hands of dedicated elected citizens who have the best future in mind for the people. another example is how Putin was allowed in infiltrate (and bestow gifts) and now he is cozy there (and his buddies hiding money) and they will continue to bully the world. Al was responsible for that debacle. he is too easily influenced and his moral compass should be evaluated. time for a change. |
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Post by tops on Sept 7, 2013 11:51:20 GMT -5
i see that there are many subtopics in this folder. so i just had fun browsing through all of them. i will be more precise in which subtopic i post in. just didn't know there were so many! Maybe there should be one regarding the Russian influence. i am not up on it but curious what others think...
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Post by agentf on Sept 7, 2013 13:08:29 GMT -5
It's an interesting point, Tops, to tie in Putin under this topic because Communism is technically anti-religion. As such you could say its indicative of where religion is in Monaco. Certainly the paternal mores from generation to generation have shown self-interest first and the greater good after, and there isn't much leadership by example now. Setting religion aside for a minute, Russian money in Monaco is also one way the bankers who have traditionally been resistant to pursue Russian capital in Russia (because there were no political objectives to gain), now can mess with their money without even leaving their comforts. I don't think the rush of Russian wealth to Monaco was one-sided. Monaco is the honey trap, if you will. If I were Russian, I'd beware. As soon as they're asked to convert everything to gold and ship it to London, they're toast IMO. It's the classic trick. Now to bring this all back around to religion, it's not Catholicism that gains in all this, since the Vatican's coffers are controlled by the same bunch of bankers that right now would be after Russian wealth in Monaco. It's funny how people sitting across from each other are oblivious to the fact they're equally getting screwed by the same people...for the sake of another religion. At this point, they all deserve each other.
So, subtopics. Tons. Let's get to it!
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Post by tops on Sept 8, 2013 0:39:57 GMT -5
It's an interesting point, Tops, to tie in Putin under this topic because Communism is technically anti-religion. As such you could say its indicative of where religion is in Monaco. Certainly the paternal mores from generation to generation have shown self-interest first and the greater good after, and there isn't much leadership by example now. Setting religion aside for a minute, Russian money in Monaco is also one way the bankers who have traditionally been resistant to pursue Russian capital in Russia (because there were no political objectives to gain), now can mess with their money without even leaving their comforts. I don't think the rush of Russian wealth to Monaco was one-sided. Monaco is the honey trap, if you will. If I were Russian, I'd beware. As soon as they're asked to convert everything to gold and ship it to London, they're toast IMO. It's the classic trick. Now to bring this all back around to religion, it's not Catholicism that gains in all this, since the Vatican's coffers are controlled by the same bunch of bankers that right now would be after Russian wealth in Monaco. It's funny how people sitting across from each other are oblivious to the fact they're equally getting screwed by the same people...for the sake of another religion. At this point, they all deserve each other. So, subtopics. Tons. Let's get to it! i would love to see a subtopic entitled "russians in monaco" but i can't start it because i do not know enough and presently traveling... |
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Post by agentf on Sept 11, 2013 20:57:17 GMT -5
Russians in Monaco... hmmmm
My limited knowledge starts with Serge Diaghilev in the moderm era. He gravitated to Paris, was a relation of Russian royalty. He started les Ballets Russes. He hired Picasso to do decors. Picasso married one of his ballerinas. The troop spent time in Rome. Its home is now Monaco. Today's Russians are quite different I imagine. For one, they have been hardened by politics. And the politicos who found their way to Monaco were probably stashing their cash. The oligarchs today are a weird mix.
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