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Post by MadameConcorde on Jun 25, 2011 11:54:52 GMT -5
What is to this rumor that Jazmin was seen at the Nice airport last weekend? This shows how truly catholic the Prince is - not inviting his son and daughter. Religion in Monaco is just a façade.
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Post by mrszinck on Jun 26, 2011 2:06:54 GMT -5
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Post by axelle on Jun 26, 2011 10:53:43 GMT -5
Federal President of Germany, Christian Wulff and Claudia Bokel and lots of the bid city people are going to the wedding because PA is going to Durban to VOTE for the 2018 Games. This was the whole issue with the trip to South Africa.
Munich....
Plenty of IOC people will be there me thinks....
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Post by countess on Jun 26, 2011 11:17:19 GMT -5
am i the only one hoping for a big scandal to break this week, something really bad so all the "distinguished" guest have to cancel. ah, my girlish dreams are so silly...... i read in another thread about the 100,000 people prediction, it seems like hubris to brag before the event JMO but when only 99,000 show up that's a PR FAIL this circus needs to close, i'm ready for the drama and doom to commence
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Post by paca on Jun 26, 2011 11:52:13 GMT -5
Federal President of Germany, Christian Wulff and Claudia Bokel and lots of the bid city people are going to the wedding because PA is going to Durban to VOTE for the 2018 Games. This was the whole issue with the trip to South Africa. Munich.... Plenty of IOC people will be there me thinks.... LOL they know that Albert can be bought and since both are suddenly boasting about their German roots, someone must have promissed sth. maybe that's why they have all those BMW for the guests....probably sponsored courtesy of the city of Munich home to BMW and Goebbels relatives by marriage....
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Post by axelle on Jun 26, 2011 15:13:32 GMT -5
Good point - could be true!! BMW is a big sports sponsor! Raised a good question.....
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Post by axelle on Jun 26, 2011 15:15:28 GMT -5
What is to this rumor that Jazmin was seen at the Nice airport last weekend? This shows how truly catholic the Prince is - not inviting his son and daughter. Religion in Monaco is just a façade. Just a facade is true - does anyone know if Jazmin was really seen a the Nice airport? Did she come through?
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Post by adrienne on Jun 27, 2011 0:37:19 GMT -5
This shows how truly catholic the Prince is - not inviting his son and daughter. Religion in Monaco is just a façade. Just a facade is true - does anyone know if Jazmin was really seen a the Nice airport? Did she come through? Not true, I have often seen Jazmin in Monaco out and about over the years, and no I'm not mistaken- she is with friends who call her "Jaz". She seems to be a well-behaved and brought up young woman who is at least respected if not liked by the Monegasque. If you cover up the bottom half of her face you will see she looks like Grace in the eyes and above. That may be some of the smiles I see around her- that she may remind them a bit of Grace. That's the only thing you will EVER see me in agreement on with Eringer- she is in fact a delightful young woman with none of the manipulativeness/jaded/pseudo-sophistication that young women today often have (past cheezy photos notwithstanding which were probably Tamara's doing) Besides, there is no need to keep her away from events, photographers in Monaco are often given lists of people who may not be photographed for various reasons including privacy. She could be spending all evening 5 feet from Albert and if not in a camera angle, the only people who would ever know would be the ones who were there. On top of that the press is generally not given free reign, they take pictures at their designated area, and then they roam for periods of 15 minutes or so every couple of hours. Very easy for someone to avoid being in their sights- if you don't want your picture taken, just don't walk the red carpet, go in a side door, and hang out in another room while the press is exercising their allotted roaming time and/or stay behind the photographers or if they are staging- stay out of their field of view. Suffice it to say, based on what I know, I believe Albert makes a genuine effort to include her in momentous events as part of her heritage as well. Which would indicate a genuine caring for and interest in her. It also says alot about him, that he could silence his critics with one picture of her at an event, but he apparently choses instead to protect her from the media exposure. While Jazmin will certainly never sit on the throne, she is an intelligent, well-mannered and capable young woman, and I definately could see her assisting her Dad as time goes on in Monaco Inc. He certainly could use people to help him who genuinely care about him and are loyal only to him.
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Post by sandsla on Jun 27, 2011 1:51:26 GMT -5
Just a facade is true - does anyone know if Jazmin was really seen a the Nice airport? Did she come through? Not true, I have often seen Jazmin in Monaco out and about over the years, and no I'm not mistaken- she is with friends who call her "Jaz". She seems to be a well-behaved and brought up young woman who is at least respected if not liked by the Monegasque. If you cover up the bottom half of her face you will see she looks like Grace in the eyes and above. That may be some of the smiles I see around her- that she may remind them a bit of Grace. That's the only thing you will EVER see me in agreement on with Eringer- she is in fact a delightful young woman with none of the manipulativeness/jaded/pseudo-sophistication that young women today often have (past cheezy photos notwithstanding which were probably Tamara's doing) Besides, there is no need to keep her away from events, photographers in Monaco are often given lists of people who may not be photographed for various reasons including privacy. She could be spending all evening 5 feet from Albert and if not in a camera angle, the only people who would ever know would be the ones who were there. On top of that the press is generally not given free reign, they take pictures at their designated area, and then they roam for periods of 15 minutes or so every couple of hours. Very easy for someone to avoid being in their sights- if you don't want your picture taken, just don't walk the red carpet, go in a side door, and hang out in another room while the press is exercising their allotted roaming time and/or stay behind the photographers or if they are staging- stay out of their field of view. Suffice it to say, based on what I know, I believe Albert makes a genuine effort to include her in momentous events as part of her heritage as well. Which would indicate a genuine caring for and interest in her. It also says alot about him, that he could silence his critics with one picture of her at an event, but he apparently choses instead to protect her from the media exposure. While Jazmin will certainly never sit on the throne, she is an intelligent, well-mannered and capable young woman, and I definitely could see her assisting her Dad as time goes on in Monaco Inc. He certainly could use people to help him who genuinely care about him and are loyal only to him. Good to hear, I suspect she is a nice girl, and it's good that Albert is able to have some kind of relationship with her, and I have always suspected he genuinely cares about her and her future, and if he can manage to have her there without his past transgressions overshadowing his wedding then fine. I would just find it weird to use this opportunity of his wedding to bring up his past affairs-it would not be good for him and as much as I don't l care for Charlene, it would be pretty insensitive to the bride on her wedding day to bring any focus to the past women in his life. I don't see any reason why Jazmin should be disrespected, but is she really such a fixture in Monaco to make a blanket statement that the Monegasque people respect and like here, not that they should have a reason not to but it seems a little presumptuous? I will say one thing at her young age, I have a feeling she is probably a lot more capable than Albert's soon to be wife is . I wonder what Jazmin thinks of Charlene? I still think Albert better get his own house in order and his own reputation sorted out, before he's out there promoting his offspring from various women. She probably will have a lot more to offer Monaco, than Charlene ever will. I never thought his kids were that much of a problem for him, not near the problem that I know this marriage is going to be for him, and the relationship has already cost him his reputation. If the marriage was more than a PR stunt, I would agree there is no reason she might not be there for something that should be an important event for Albert. and if she thinks she will enjoy the charade, she's a young girl--I guess there is no reason she will not find some fun it . Actually I think it is the lower part of her face, it's her mouth that looks so much like Albert and Grace's. There is a photo of Grace after she won her Oscar, where she is sitting at a table and looking down at it, and for some reason when I see this photo I always see a little bit of Jazmin in Grace there, but she definitely has Albert's (grace's) mouth and teeth and chin. I haven't seen that many pictures of Tamara when she was young, but I did see one where Jazmin looked a lot like her, actually Jazmin reminds me very much of my niece. Jazmin to me looks like a very typical Orange County girl. So far that she's of age now I think she has handled herself pretty well. I well say one thing though if both her and her dad are trying to protect her from the media, it's probably not a good idea to be sharing certain information about her and her whereabouts, or that she is in and about Monaco right now. I hope she has a happy life, and wants to retain her own identity as her own person whatever she does. She has had a lot of opportunity, so there is no reason for her to not have a successful life.
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Post by margarita on Jun 27, 2011 2:15:40 GMT -5
Not true, I have often seen Jazmin in Monaco out and about over the years, and no I'm not mistaken- she is with friends who call her "Jaz". She seems to be a well-behaved and brought up young woman who is at least respected if not liked by the Monegasque. If you cover up the bottom half of her face you will see she looks like Grace in the eyes and above. That may be some of the smiles I see around her- that she may remind them a bit of Grace. That's the only thing you will EVER see me in agreement on with Eringer- she is in fact a delightful young woman with none of the manipulativeness/jaded/pseudo-sophistication that young women today often have (past cheezy photos notwithstanding which were probably Tamara's doing) Besides, there is no need to keep her away from events, photographers in Monaco are often given lists of people who may not be photographed for various reasons including privacy. She could be spending all evening 5 feet from Albert and if not in a camera angle, the only people who would ever know would be the ones who were there. On top of that the press is generally not given free reign, they take pictures at their designated area, and then they roam for periods of 15 minutes or so every couple of hours. Very easy for someone to avoid being in their sights- if you don't want your picture taken, just don't walk the red carpet, go in a side door, and hang out in another room while the press is exercising their allotted roaming time and/or stay behind the photographers or if they are staging- stay out of their field of view. Suffice it to say, based on what I know, I believe Albert makes a genuine effort to include her in momentous events as part of her heritage as well. Which would indicate a genuine caring for and interest in her. It also says alot about him, that he could silence his critics with one picture of her at an event, but he apparently choses instead to protect her from the media exposure. While Jazmin will certainly never sit on the throne, she is an intelligent, well-mannered and capable young woman, and I definitely could see her assisting her Dad as time goes on in Monaco Inc. He certainly could use people to help him who genuinely care about him and are loyal only to him. Good to hear, I suspect she is a nice girl, and it's good that Albert is able to have some kind of relationship with her, and if he can manage to have her there without his past transgressions overshadowing his wedding then fine. I would just find it weird to use this opportunity of his wedding to bring up his past affairs, as much as I don't l care for Charlene, it would be pretty insensitive to the bride on her wedding day. I don't see why she should be disrespected, but is she really such a fixture in Monaco to make a blanket statement that the Monegasque people respect and like here, not that they should have a reason not to but it seems a little presumptuous. I think Albert better get his own house in order and his own reputation sorted out, before he's out there promoting his offspring from various women. If the marriage was more than a PR stunt, I would agree there is no reason she might not be there for something that should be an important event for him. Actually I think it is her mouth that looks like Albert and Graces. There is a photo of Grace after she won her Oscar, where she is sitting at a table and looking down at it, and for some reason when I see this photo I see a little bit of Jazmin, but she definitely has Albert's mouth and teeth and chin. It is the lower have of her face that reminds me of Grace. I haven't seen that many pictures of Tamara, but i did see one where Jazmin looked very much like her, actually Jazmin reminds me very much of my niece. Jazmin looks like a very typical Orange County girl. So far that she's of age now I think she has handled herself pretty well. I well say one thing if both her and her dad are trying to protect her from the media, it's probably not a good idea to be sharing certain information about her and her whereabouts, or that she is in Monaco right now. I hope she has a happy life, and wants to retain her own identity as a person. Good news! Thanks for sharing that Pandora I'm totally with Sandsla writing once Albert obviously decided to protect the privacy of him and Jazmin we should be careful with posting informations about Albert having a much closer relationship with Jazmin than most of us thought or gave him credit for. It would be so easy for Albert to have some pics showing him and Jazmin close together to show how much he cares as a father. But -if it's true what Pandora says and I have no reason to not believe her - doesn't that paint a different and much better picture of Albert than most of us have? To build up a good and genuine relation with Jazmin AND keep it out of the public eye INSPITE it would make him look good in the media is simply ... Chapeaux!!! I really don't know what they have put in his tea to make the Charlene thing happen - but reading what Pandora wrote gives me hope he will be able to handle it for his and Monaco's sake.
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Post by sandsla on Jun 27, 2011 2:55:21 GMT -5
I always suspected Albert has maintained some kind of relationship with his kids--I have never felt that he was a bad father, it's just the circumstances were not ideal. I actually think it is good that they are not publicized and brought out in the media. If he was smart he would have understood that is also how he should have treated his relationship with any woman he dates or ever planned on marrying, and he should never married a woman who did not understand this, as anyone with a little class and some dignity would understand it. Albert would have got a little more bang out of the announcement of his wedding, and more interest in his marriage and the new Princess of Monaco. All the interviews and photo-ops over the years that Charlene hass been giving is cheap and tacky and presumptuous, as a lot of her behavior is, but adding on all the interviews and photo-ops promoting herself before she is even the Princess of Monaco before the wedding is just ignorant and tasteless. Who wants to read about her now once she has the title--she has already been shoved down everyone's throat for years and there is not a thing interesting about her. None of that should have happened until after she was Albert's wife, with maybe just one or two little photo ops and short interview in the beginning is all she should have done until a little later, when she has actually had the chance to actually do something real for Monaco. And of course a normal woman would have never moved to Monaco and lived off him, Charlene well never be able to live that down, because it explains who she is has a person.
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Post by cm7007 on Jun 27, 2011 7:16:13 GMT -5
I'm not so quick to "over look" Albert's past behaviors - if he's accepted Jazmin into his life - wonderful - but he did so ONLY after he was forced to. We don't really know how much quality time he spends with her - if any at all. Maybe she has "free reign" to visit Monaco, and maybe she has friends there - that doesn't mean Albert spends much time with her. Certainly if she was refused in Monaco the bad press she could cause him would be considerable. If he was really concerned about her well being, etc. he would not have conducted himself the way he has for the past five years - publicly escorting and "keeping" the dumb bimbo he's marrying. What kind of parental example is that!? Especially for a Monarch of a Catholic country - and Jazmin has been raised Catholic. (The fact that the child MAY be cool with it is completely beside the point.) And this nonsense of his wanting to "protect his children from the press" please! Do you, does Albert, really think Charlene is going to "protect" any children of theirs from the "press"?!!! She and Albert will use them the same way they are using this wedding. Albert is protecting himself - and thinking ONLY about himself - period! ( Five years ago - I never would have thought this about him. Now I have no doubts about it.) All this garbage he's been spewing all these years to women about wanting to "find his true love", about how the only women he's serious about are the ones he "protects" from prying eyes and the press! Please!!! What a perfect built in "line" he's had for himself all these years. It's just like his caring for the"environment" - it's all talk! It's BS. Plain and simple. He's actually a pathologically selfish, horrid human being. I do hope Jasmin as well as whatever other children he has have a good life and can find some kind of normal happiness. It won't be easy for them - money or no.
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Post by emmeline on Jun 27, 2011 7:37:52 GMT -5
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Post by mrszinck on Jun 27, 2011 8:10:04 GMT -5
The Belgium palace confirmed they are invited. Not that they are going… two different things. And with the financial crisis going on in Spain. I say very smart move from the Spanish royal family not to go. I also like to see the whole royal family of Sweden go on ‘tax money’ to the marriage...
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Post by MyAdia on Jun 27, 2011 8:44:33 GMT -5
Thanks for the info Emmeline! The Monaco Matin had confirmation from the palce and published that Leti and Felipe were coming - actually the Monaco Matin put Let & Felipe on the front page to brag (see this post). I think it's wonderful if they decided not to come - great! Wouldn't it be something if more royals or high profile guests that the palace already bragged were coming decide to back out? this will be fitting with the negative/disastrous karma that has followed this couple from the moment that they tackily announced their engagement.
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Post by axelle on Jun 27, 2011 11:56:29 GMT -5
In an Olympic publication
Princely Wedding Draws IOC Contingent
Several dozen IOC members are expected to attend this week’s Princely Wedding between Olympic athletes Albert of Monaco and Charlene Wittstock.
Soon after Saturday’s nuptials, the couple will head to Durban, where the IOC Session will double as their honeymoon.
All IOC members are likewise invited to a July 7 reception on the South African coast.
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Post by emmeline on Jun 27, 2011 12:29:04 GMT -5
Yep! This wedding is so doomed! All the media in Spain is talking about none of the SRF is going.
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Post by paca on Jun 27, 2011 12:55:44 GMT -5
they probably think that there is a problem with the king's health if none of them is going, not because they find Monaco important in that part of news.
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Post by refia on Jun 27, 2011 13:07:57 GMT -5
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Post by refia on Jun 27, 2011 16:56:04 GMT -5
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