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Post by paca on Jun 5, 2011 13:51:13 GMT -5
If Monaco ends up as part of France, it won't be worse off. On the contrary. Rents would go down, everyone would have equal opportunities for employment etc. The rich of course would go and the criminals (actually it would be more likely the rich criminals), but that wouldn't be a disadvantage
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Post by MadameConcorde on Jun 6, 2011 10:42:38 GMT -5
If Monaco ends up as part of France, it won't be worse off. On the contrary. Rents would go down, everyone would have equal opportunities for employment etc. The rich of course would go and the criminals (actually it would be more likely the rich criminals), but that wouldn't be a disadvantage The thousands who are benefitting from tax cuts iwll leave the place immediately. Bye Bye investments! They will put their money in Zurich, Jersey, or the Cayman Islands. My solution is to have Monaco running under an elected leader with a new constitution. A Republic of Monaco with a President and elected representatives. Let the Monegasques vote and make their choice. Won't happen any time soon, but never know... I am launching the idea anyway!!  |
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Post by sandsla on Jun 6, 2011 16:01:59 GMT -5
Just wanted to point out one thing about Eringer. He is suing for an unpaid bill, not for wrong termination and yet, he never received any termination paper. so technically he could still be employed by His Majesty....   Eringer, wasn't paid a salary--he was paid for services rendered, like an independent contractor. he was paid for the work he did, that is why he billed him. If you read the law suit...in it and in his own words in his blog, it sounds like Eringer tried to bill him for anything under the sun, for example when he talks about trying to introduce him to Colin Powell? He wants a fee for that? Why would Albert have a need to get a few minutes with Colin Powell? Monaco is a protectorate, and if you carefully read Eringer's words you can tell he has no clout when he actually says he "might" could get what boils down to a meet and greet, a photo op type of thing, like some kind of wanna-be would do, hence Albert's reaction, who knows full well why Eringer wants to set it up--he wants to bill him for it. Albert in the law suit tells Eringer to JUST focus on what he specifically hired him to do, which basically was to find out who is foes were, who would speak behind Albert's back, or who didn't have his back! Probably by Eringer posing he was writing a book on Albert or something, just like Eringer has done before in the pasy trying to get someone to blab. In the lawsuit you can tell Albert obviously is tired of Eringer billing him for all sorts of crap he never asked him to do, or certainly doesn't need "Eringer" to do. But in Eringer's words he tries to take it all out of context and turn it around without actually saying a false word exacyly...it is what he tries to imply. You can see how arrogant Eringer is, when he actually thinks he should be one of Albert's advisers and barks orders to him, when he thinks he should be able to summon Albert to a meeting on the night of the Rose Ball, worse after the Ball! He is irritated that Albert is making a smart ass retort to him, that must have gone over his head because of his own arrogance, Albert is basically saying sorry buddy I have other plans and who exactly do you think you are? He is putting Eringer in his place with the comment--he is telling Eringer how unimportant he is, and Albert is the boss there--Eringer works for him not the other way around! Eringer is either purposely trying to imply something else there, but the statement is so arrogant, or Eringer is seriously that arrogant that he just doesn't get it! Eringer actually gets upset when Albert doesn't treat him like an adviser. It's obvious that Albert's people were trying to get rid of this guy who was nothing but a financial drain, and that he was trouble--they were formally telling him his job there is done (Albert is the prince of Monaco he does not need to personally fire Eringer (how arrogant can one be), but Eringer refuses to leave (as much as he has to say about Albert now) Eringer tries to hang on....he tries to tell Albert he is just in the middle of something, and Albert should let him finish it, so Albert throws him a bone and continues to pay him a little more. In the law suit you can see where Albert has tapered Eringer's salary off--you can see what is happening there, Albert is just doing Eringer a favor by still paying him a little when Eringer has already been told he is no longer needed. Albert is telling him his gig is over. But Eringer just continues to bill Albert for crap, bill after bill, Albert pays it, and it looks like Albert finally has had enough...he should have probably stopped paying Eringer's bill he kept sending, a year before, and it's Albert's own fault because he shouldn't have been a sucker to Eringer when his gys tried to get rid of him before, that is probably why Albert is that much more pissed off about it, because he was already doing him a favor by paying him a little more. I am sure Albert is thinking this guy has a lot of nerve. Why on earth would Albert not pay Eringer's bill, if he thought it would make him go away....the fact that he kept paying bills from Eringer when he should have balked long ago at them is why Eringer won't leave. He is just like Charlene, and all of Albert's creepy women. The money Eringer wants is a sneeze for Albert, why on earth wouldn't he pay it, even if it was just to make this guy go away....why because Eringer is what happens when you pay blackmailer....they will always come back, and want more. Charlene is going to be an even bigger problem. Anyway, to me it seems clear as day what was going on there by reading Eringer's own words in his law suit. Eringer's blog would have happened no matter what Albert payed him? Any mature PROFESSIONAL adult, if they had a problem with payment, that is what they would stick to in a lawsuit, that is all a judge cares about. Were you "contracted" (asked) to do this specific work that you are now billing for, and did you complete it...end of story! Why all the weird gossip and vindictive blog that has nothing to do with what he is actually suing him for, besides considered the nature of the work he was hired for, I would say talking about it now, would let Albert off the hook, Eringer looks like the one who didn't hold up his part of the deal by talking about it now.....not a very good spy if you tell the world about it. Paca said it well, and if Albert had paid that bill, there would just have been another one, and another one....nothing would have changed Eringer would still have some vindictive blog, like some bitter woman who won't leave when they are told it's over. |
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Post by sandsla on Jun 6, 2011 16:32:07 GMT -5
Just wanted to point out one thing about Eringer. He is suing for an unpaid bill, not for wrong termination and yet, he never received any termination paper. so technically he could still be employed by His Majesty.... he only had a verbal contract and received his dismissal verbally  he knew that his services were no longer wanted as soon as Albert had no more time for him....It would be silly of him to claim that he was still employed by Albert, when he stated in his blog that Albert fired him. And why should he receive a termination paper, when he hasn't received a contract to begin with. He was foolish to have nothing stating that he was working for ALbert and under which conditions. How is a judge to decide whether Eringer ever provided what he claims not to have been paid for? I don't think that Eringer will get anything out of this apart from publicity. But I guess that's all he is interested anyways. Paca, I didn't see your post which answered it perfectly w/o might giant post!  ;D Sorry ladies!  It is just what seemed so clear to me when I saw how silly that law suit was written, which looked to be for no other purpose than to embarrass Albert and extort more money from him. Who else would write such a ridiculous diatribe that has nothing to do with what he is suing for....Eringer is the one who should have been embarrassed. |
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Post by sandsla on Jun 6, 2011 17:51:15 GMT -5
I am not so quick to dismiss him. He does have an agenda. It's obvious and it's to destroy Albert. I can't dismiss this because we all know Albert is incompetent and Eringer is out to take him down. He is a gatherer of information. He throws a line out there to see what fish he can catch. I have learned quite a bit from reading his blog. I take some of the posts and research the info they mention. Sometimes it seems pretty accurate, sometimes not, but it does get me thinking about things. I do not take what is posted there "hook, line and sinker". I look at what is said and then dig into it to see what it really is. He does not always answer questions or chooses to answer only a part of a question. I find that just as interesting. Albert as we all know needs to step down, and if Eringer makes this happen, the better for Monaco. Allbert was a fool not to get a confidentiality agreement from him. Had he done so, there would be no Eringer blog or Q & A. Well because of the nature of the work, if you could call it that...it's why there was no contract. Eringer is not the kind of guy...or the type of work he's being hired to do--it's not something that you would want a big paper trail to, for either Albert, or Eringer if he was any kind of professional. Eringer's reputation as a spymaster should be based on being someone that no one should know who he is, or knows what he does, but you'll see just the opposite is true of Eringer...he leaves a trail of trouble for anyone who has ever hired him? How anyone could hire this guy w/o doing some research on him is beyond me. I think Eringer probably got into this kind of game in the first place because he crossed someone's path who thought he would be the perfect lacky to probe someone they wanted some information from--between Eringer as a supposed writer and his huge ego, he would jump at the chance to feel important and he has no scruples about anything? People would talk to him because they would feel flattered someone is interested in them.... people like to talk about themselves, look at Eringer he wants to be the star of his story that is why he talks in a weird dramatic third person style--he fictionalizes himself. Eringer obviously is the kind of guy to take himself very seriously, so the guy who hired him probably had a good laugh and gave Eringer a little title so he could feel official, then Eringer took his little part to heart. I'm talking about the first guy that hired him to do his "Spymaster" ::)work, which in Eringer's case was probably no more than to basically pepper someone with questions while stroking their ego while telling then you are doing research for a book. Hibou, It is the way he portrays the information that is the problem, and what his own motivation is. I don't think that "the events" are always actual lies, it is "the context" that he tries to give them. I mean the fact that he writes his blog in third person I find hilarious ;D. For instance Hibou, maybe you go to the store to buy carrots (for soup), Eringer would try to imply you went to the store, because you needed to have an excuse to get out of the house, because you were having an illicit affair, and possibly meeting him in the produce aisle? You did go to the store after all, the event is true, but the context is very different. Does Albert pick up on cheap women who would meet him on a boat for a three day weekend, and have sex with them while they let another guy watch? Probably? Does this have anything to do with an unpaid bill? I don't disbelieve that Albert had sex with that woman, who claims she was raped, I have a problem with that women's story andEringer's involvement in her story? Also as intriguing as Eringer's stories might be.... true or not, I just don't think it is Eringer's business to tell them, especially with a megaphone... even more so because he took money from Albert during all of the time everything he has to say about Albert took place? And even worse, as someone who was hired to keep his confidences. On top of all that, he distorts the truth. You have to ask yourself...just in the fact that what he is doing here (his own actions)....is this a guy that anyone should trust about anything? If Nicole was on here blabbing about every personal thing about Albert or writing a book would you champion her for it, or when Charlene writes a book, are you going to support her action by buying it? I just feel like it is the very same thing? It is supporting that kind of behavior, and that is why I just don't want to support this guy, especially since it is so easy to see that he tries to mislead people and use the as his personal pawns in his own game, and that is the very thing we are all mad about Albert and the palace for right now? He is everything we despise Charlene for? |
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Post by paca on Jun 6, 2011 18:09:19 GMT -5
sandsla, the reason why Albert probably continued paying was, because Eringer held a business with the powers. They go back a long time and Eringer for some reason got into business with them. I suppose it was through them that Albert kept going for a little while longer. But I don'tthink that Eringer was worth a cent he received. A secretary could have done his job, by reading the paper and going down to the shop.
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Post by paca on Jun 6, 2011 18:21:36 GMT -5
If Monaco ends up as part of France, it won't be worse off. On the contrary. Rents would go down, everyone would have equal opportunities for employment etc. The rich of course would go and the criminals (actually it would be more likely the rich criminals), but that wouldn't be a disadvantage The thousands who are benefitting from tax cuts iwll leave the place immediately. Bye Bye investments! They will put their money in Zurich, Jersey, or the Cayman Islands. My solution is to have Monaco running under an elected leader with a new constitution. A Republic of Monaco with a President and elected representatives. Let the Monegasques vote and make their choice. Won't happen any time soon, but never know... I am launching the idea anyway!! sorry , but who of the tax evader is actually investing in Monaco and benefiting the local economy? Apparently none as otherwise they wouldn't have a budget problem. Monaco could negotiate a status like the Alto Adige in Italy. They officially belong to Italy, but economy etc is independent. It is not that long ago that this region was poor. Nowadays they are not only to with regards to ecology, but also economy wise. A democracy limited to Monaco would not get rid of corruption, you still would not have an independent justice, independent press and people would still worry about losing their job when stating an opinion. Rainier in his final years really tried to get Monaco into EU. I think he knew that Monaco would not be able to survive this way. The entire French region is dependent on Monaco, so even if Monaco would become a part of France, they would have a strong interest in keeping it successful. There is too much unemployment in the region, but if they could extend from Monaco more into France, they might end up drawing a lot more investors. Plus there would not need to be any more land extensions. Those against it would be everyone who invested in real estate as at least for a number of years the value would go down. But I believe after a decade or 2 they would be right back where they started. |
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Post by sandsla on Jun 6, 2011 19:23:54 GMT -5
sandsla, the reason why Albert probably continued paying was, because Eringer held a business with the powers. They go back a long time and Eringer for some reason got into business with them. I suppose it was through them that Albert kept going for a little while longer. But I don'tthink that Eringer was worth a cent he received. A secretary could have done his job, by reading the paper and going down to the shop. Yes I guess, I think Albert has a hard time fluffing any ones feathers-directly anyway? |
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Post by grimnir on Jun 7, 2011 14:39:06 GMT -5
 <waves to Eringer: hi!> A brief warning: we're being spied upon by Eringer. He has seen the error of his ways and lurks/visits forums these days. Or at least this one.  Just so you know. BTW, who is it who takes questions from this board and posts them there? I see a lot of topics from here being asked there and I suspect it's not always the poster here that goes over to the blog to ask the question there too. And here I was contemplating the possibilities of giving Eringer his own thread, because unless Albert and Eringer shared beds, this discussion has been  "] for some time. Of which I take some of the blame too. |
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Post by sandsla on Jun 7, 2011 16:08:32 GMT -5
<waves to Eringer: hi!> A brief warning: we're being spied upon by Eringer. He has seen the error of his ways and lurks/visits forums these days. Or at least this one. Just so you know. BTW, who is it who takes questions from this board and posts them there? I see a lot of topics from here being asked there and I suspect it's not always the poster here that goes over to the blog to ask the question there too. And here I was contemplating the possibilities of giving Eringer his own thread, because unless Albert and Eringer shared beds, this discussion has been "] for some time. Of which I take some of the blame too. Guilty! You are right on both counts! I know Eringer has posed as one of us for a long time now, and I am sure he tried to bill Albert for it too! ;D I just had to finally say my peace, as to why I have a hard time throwing this guy a bone! |
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Post by paca on Jun 7, 2011 16:09:52 GMT -5
LOL where do you think he gets info? I wouldn't be surprised if he does the q and a himself in most of the cases just to keep things going and make believe that soooooo many people are interested in him and his blog and his stolen gossip. sounds like porky and trash with a different flavour doesn't it?
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Post by grandduchess on Jun 7, 2011 20:24:31 GMT -5
All right, I had to post this article on this thread because it is just a propos... I came across this article, which is titled: Fisker Has Prince Albert In a Carwww.wired.com/autopia/2011/05/fisker-karma-monacoThe title makes it sound like a guy had a way with Albert in the privacy of a vehicle, ROFL! |
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Post by cm7007 on Jun 19, 2011 17:26:49 GMT -5
THIS IS GOSSIP - so take it as such - please -
So, at another dinner party in NY, I bumped into an old friend I haven't seen in years. We've spoken briefly on the phone once or twice a year, but only briefly. We spent some time catching up. He is approx 78-80 - somewhere around there. I've known him for 40 years. His older brother lived in Monaco - for years and years. Extremely wealthy. German industrialist money - I think. Anyway, I always knew his brother lived in Monaco and that he was good friends with Rainier. I also knew my friend was close to his brother and visited there a great deal. Anyway, his brother died about 8 years ago. But I asked my friend if he ever went back to Monaco or had any good "gossip" about the wedding or anything. He said, "It's a joke. Everybody knows it's a joke. But PA feel has to do it." So I said "Why? Surely he could find someone more appropriate than this woman!" He said, "Come on! Everybody knows PA is light in the loafers.." I said, "But what about all the women and the babies?" He said, "He's BI. 60/40 men over women. He had a male lover for years and years " - he gave a name -(unfortunately, I couldn't say, 'wait I need to write it down" and I don't remember it) But he gave me a name - He said that they broke up about 7 years ago and that he moved the guy to Las Vegas and set him up to live like a prince himself. Now he's got another lover. "He said it's not a secret among the "in crowd" in Monaco. Rainier knew all about it.
Like I said this is "GOSSIP" - but it's from a wealthy, married, very buttoned down guy in his late 70's early 80's who I've know a very long time and who has never impressed me as someone who passes on idol unfounded gossip or who would have any reason to make something like this up. But it sure would explain a lot if it's true.
Paca, anyone from Monaco or the area ... anyone ever hear anything about something like this ...this specific ...?
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Post by paca on Jun 20, 2011 7:21:29 GMT -5
I heard sth from a gay friend in Munich many years ago.....He has a friend who says that he has been with Albert. Personally I have seen how Albert eyes women and I know from my exs secretary that he had her now father in law sent to ask her for a date. Her father in law worked as garde rapproche for Albert and she was already dating his son for years. So obviously she was rather outraged, but he said it was part of his job. If both are to be believed, then I think bi is more likely. Also my gay friend said that he has spent a lot of time in France and that in comparison French men are open to experiment with their sexuality, especially in their younger years. That of course does not mean that Albert did. He seems to have a rather strange relationship with Stephane Bern hough and personally I don't think that his friend/ex friend Mc Namarra is much into women. Maybe its just me, but I find him rather effeminate, especially when in person. But then again I thought trashys brother was gay, but appears he goes for the same bimbo type as Albert. So I can't confirm any of this, but I have heard tidbits and have my own impressions. Personally I think it would not be important if he was gay but a good prince. Alberts main problem is not his sexuality its his lack of qualities to rule a country.
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Post by countess on Jun 20, 2011 10:08:13 GMT -5
JMO but it sounds reasonable to me, all kinds of gossip for years about three and foursome but it's always him with MEN and a woman. my gay friend had a good point, straight men want 2 women in their group NO MEN, bi-men want 2 men with token girl in there, it's just "kinky" and not "gay" WHATEVER! JMO but a big part of this business arrangement is either because trashlene likes to participate (i suspect that's how he met her) or doesn't mind his weirdo perversions. JMOJMO
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Post by axelle on Jun 20, 2011 10:45:29 GMT -5
cm7007 this could make sense. I would buy into this story.......uuugh think of Conlene knowing she is sleeping and marrying a bi-guy.
Gagging here!
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Post by paca on Jun 20, 2011 12:33:14 GMT -5
she probably thinks her manly body will make him not want men If that is true of course... |
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Post by sandsla on Jun 20, 2011 12:49:32 GMT -5
I actually can believe it, because as I said before there was someone on the board that did their best to send the message and make the point that Albert was bi, not gay but Bi. If he was gay I might sympathize with him a little more, but being bi, it wouldn't be that difficult for him to make it easier on himself....or much of a sacrifice to just find a woman to settle down with. Anytime anyone gets married they are expected to make some sacrifices such as being loyal to their spouse no matter if they are gay or straight. It sounds like Albert finds his sexuality, and the opportunity to play the field with both sexes his top priority, and much more important than the position he inherited and was intrusted with--Albert isn't willing to make any kind of sacrifice. His being bi, does explain his attraction in masculine women like Charlene, but instead of squelching the "light in the loafer" rumors they only draw attention to it. It still doesn't mean he had to marry an ignorant opportunistic gold-digger. I just think if he wasn't willing to curb his appetite, he should have stayed single, especially after all this time, why bother now? Also people like Cole Porter found smart women to enter into a relationship with that had their own reasons to want the same kind of independence that type of relationship gave them. Even if he really thought he needed to be married he could have found a good friend and smarter women to play the part, especially at his age, you evolve and sex isn't everything, but really why get married at all? And what is the point trying to produce an heir under these circumstances? This whole fiasco just makes him look like a fool and with all the the PR exploitation of his personal life with Charlene all these years (and now the big fake wedding) not only does it make them both look like Morons, but it makes it look like like he as something "to prove" and it makes Monaco look like the mecca for cheap and self indulgent Eurotrash, and this sure isn't the right climate to promote his fake wedding "Extravaganza". I don't care that Albert is bi--I care that he he has painted a picture of himself as being shallow and ignorant.
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Post by cm7007 on Jun 20, 2011 14:40:11 GMT -5
I agree with everything everybody said!
It doesn't matter to probably - anybody- anywhere - if he's bi or gay or straight. What matters is that he obviously can not rule and lead anything! Especially his own personal life! PA is too dumb and boring to attract an intelligent woman for any length of time. Cole Porter was a genius - plain and simple. Most of the gay or bi men throughout history who were married and "played around" were brilliant men. Not that every one of them was - but the famous one's, for the most part were.
Albert and Charlene seem to be MORONS. EGOTISTICAL MORONS at that! What can I say. That's how they appear to me and most everyone I know who know them, or reads about them. They are both SHALLOW AND IGNORANT - and so are their advisers!
One of my male friends saw the Euro video yesterday and he said "This is a girl who would eat a turd twenty miles long if she had to to get what she wanted. You can just see it. There is nothing she would not do to get and keep her position." So I told him she was from a poor white SA family and how i heard her tell someone she would NEVER go back to SA in a most determined voice. He said that explained everything - she's clawed her way up and out and has done whatever she's had to do to get what she's getting. Which ultimately will be a nightmare for her and her family. There will be money - but no happiness for her at all. And when you look at the Gramaldi family - the three kids - none of them ever seemed "happy" ever. Not at all. So really what's she really getting.
I'm just sad that a wonderful opportunity for someone who could make a real difference is being wasted on her. But then again, there have been no takers - why he's settling for this trash. And I agree, He and Monaco would be better off if he simple stayed single. He's really but himself under the microscope with this action - and he looks really bad on the world stage - worse then he did before - and this is just the beginning.
And, JMO- I really do think she's a hermaphrodite! And I'm not saying that to be mean. I feel badly for anyone born with any malady - it's certainly not their fault - it's heartbreaking. Nonetheless - there seems to be something wrong with CW hormonally which has had an effect on her physically - imo -there's got to be something! PA might not even know. It'll be interesting to see if she can carry a child - as long as she has a uterus she should be able to have fertilized eggs implanted. Whether they "take" is another question.
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Post by hibou on Jun 20, 2011 15:12:12 GMT -5
With the talk of Albert being bi my thought was that she has a masculine body, and by adding the breast implants, added the more feminine part. May be Albert has what he wants in her physic? Just taking a guess. The recent photo of Charlene from the back walking with Albert and the reporter, if she weren't wearing a dress, I would have thought it was a man from behind. She is much bigger than Albert across the "wingspan" and her walk is not very feminine. Swimmers in the 1970-80's from the Eastern block countries often looked like this. If we look at the shot with the US swimmer Dara even though she has ripped abs, her over all body doesn't look masculine in structure. Just my observation.
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he knew that his services were no longer wanted as soon as Albert had no more time for him....It would be silly of him to claim that he was still employed by Albert, when he stated in his blog that Albert fired him. And why should he receive a termination paper, when he hasn't received a contract to begin with. He was foolish to have nothing stating that he was working for ALbert and under which conditions. How is a judge to decide whether Eringer ever provided what he claims not to have been paid for? I don't think that Eringer will get anything out of this apart from publicity. But I guess that's all he is interested anyways.
;D Sorry ladies! 
It is just what seemed so clear to me when I saw how silly that law suit was written, which looked to be for no other purpose than to embarrass Albert and extort more money from him. Who else would write such a ridiculous diatribe that has nothing to do with what he is suing for....Eringer is the one who should have been embarrassed. 
Just so you know. 