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Post by suite583 on Jun 24, 2011 8:25:24 GMT -5
seems like mom is not very houseproud judging by the filth on the kitchen wall. Just look above that kettle.... did she ever hear of using bibs and actually feeding the baby rather then having it smear the food all over himself, the chair and his clothes? I had 2 to feed at the same time, but none of my kids ever looked as unkempt... Paca, I am sorry, but I am hurling over laughing - not just what you said about Mama Wittstock's cleaning and feeding skills (good lawd, I didn't look at the photos that closely). But (this is a private joke - so sorry everyone), I am visualizing (I am laughing so hard I cannot even type) two little toddlers getting up in the middle of the night to fix their own bottles! MyaDia, I will share your joke with me
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Post by taz on Jun 24, 2011 10:23:34 GMT -5
Malte Bliss even admits in the ZDF documentary that when C moved to Monaco in May 2007 everybody (the press etc.) suspected that she had an one-way ticket and wouldn't return. Although her team and trainer were saying that she went there because of better training possibilities as it was winter in South Africa at that time but people knew that it was a lie. She didn't train outside so what does it matter if it's summer or winter... they really think people are dumb!
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Post by creativemind on Jun 24, 2011 10:55:00 GMT -5
hey charlene!!!! what's it like to marry someone you've forced & cornered into walking you down the aisle??? how dreadful. especially since we know he's going to continue to poke any man/woman he can get his hands on thus, allowing you to maintain your status as a laughing [witt]stock!!!!!! and how's that fashion icon thing workin' for ya ... hahahahahahahahahahaha!!!
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Post by cm7007 on Jun 24, 2011 14:26:14 GMT -5
Malte Bliss even admits in the ZDF documentary that when C moved to Monaco in May 2007 everybody (the press etc.) suspected that she had an one-way ticket and wouldn't return. Although her team and trainer were saying that she went there because of better training possibilities as it was winter in South Africa at that time but people knew that it was a lie. She didn't train outside so what does it matter if it's summer or winter... they really think people are dumb! Let's see: If she moved to Monaco in May 2007 - she broke her ankle (yeah sure she did!) somewhere between mid Jan '07 and March '07 - when she was in SA - She was with PA in Jan '07 for New Years and no broken ankle then - She said (to me!) it took several months for the ankle to heal - so it had to have "happened" closer to the end of Jan - Feb '07 so she would be able to go back to Monaco by May without a cast. Shortly after that we saw a photo of Albert and her leaving the "physical therapists" office. So I guess we are to believe she moved to Monaco in May to "train" in Europe - but her foot was "bothering her" and Albert took her to HIS therapists there in Monaco - and they told her that her swimming career was over. Do I have that straight? Her lies are going to start catching up with her faster than she knows - this is 2011 and we are in the age of instant communications and instant records!
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Post by sandsla on Jun 24, 2011 17:17:20 GMT -5
I really beginning to think Albert really, truly HATES Monaco and everything about it - especially his parents legacy, He's often said he doesn't like to be there - that's why he travels so much. I think he -not so subconsciously_ is thumbing his nose at Monaco and it's people. I think he hates it that much. Sounds crazy, I know, but there doesn't seem to be any other explanation to his madness! CM, I strongly believe this also. Charlene used it to her advantage that the people in Monaco disliked her - that's why she was sure to tell Albert each time about every single incident or snub she felt. She knows how unhappy Albert is about the criticism he gets in Monaco and Charlene knows how fragile Albert's ego is. For Albert, who has an inferiority complex (or as Paca corrected me who is just inferior), an insult to Charlene is an insult to him - since Charlene is his choice. Sandsla, you several all the comments that I was going to touch on later - with proof that Charlene is a pathological liar. I was really hoping though that Charlene had stated that she moved to Monaco because of her shoulder injury instead of her father. I have several articles (Margarita already mentioned some) whereas Charlene stated the opposite. Moe importantly, i have comments from Charlene's friends dated in March of 2007 - even before she swam at the South Africa national swim meet - where she told her friends that she was moving to Monaco. so, in March of 2007, Charlene was already bragging to her friends that she was moving to Monaco. So, Charlene's father statement is just a boldface lie on some many levels. But like his daughter, the but-kissing Paris Match never challenges these people on anything that they say or do. Thanks I knew you would have all the articles somewhere "where Charlene herself states conflicting stories". As far as her dad lying, of course the part of immediately as to when she decided to go to Monaco, and the whole injury story but it is that he admits that his daughter went to Monaco to do nothing at all but to live off a man! Her swimming was done! Not that anyone ever thought any differently. (I don't mean to be lazy-I just don't have time to do all the research! So Thanks! I was hoping you would jump on it Myadia ) And for Margarita (I think), Charlene herself was posting at the time as if people were really stupid, she was posting thinks like "of course Charlene is not focused or interested in her swimming career--she is too old now--everyone knows she is going after Albert and the tiara" and like the idea that it makes her a gold-digging whore didn't seem to register or she was perplexed that someone should care that she is a gold-digging whore?
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Post by paca on Jun 24, 2011 17:20:40 GMT -5
If I remember correctly the subtitle to the pic at the time was a shoulder injury. They had the pics taken by the security camera at the traffic light. I know whom they went to see and from where they would have had to take the pics to get that particular angle. Also she only went once for the photo op. If she would have been in need of treatment and a real razzi would have taken the pics, he would have been there at her next treatment. Plus he could have easily gotten the pics as she was coming out of the office. Why did he not cross the road and get a pic on French territory as that's where he has his practice? Probably because the razzi was sitting in an office down at the surete, zooming in with the fixed camera on the police booth...
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Post by sandsla on Jun 24, 2011 17:36:41 GMT -5
Paca, we were all laughing about it then, because I think you or someone else had pointed out at the time--how obvious it was that it was a photo op, because Albert does not allow razzi's there, and you do not see them photographing Charlene there in Monaco (or anywhere) unless it is intentional and it is to serve the purpose of a photo op. why would Razzi's be hanging out in front of the doctors office that Charlene just happens to be going to....and Albert escorting her! Albert did try to make an effort to call in a few favors when Charlene first arrived (he knew how it would look), to get Charlene a few little jobs so she looked like she was at least doing something for herself (with Albert's help ) and maybe earning her own money! The Porsche job, and Park View photo layout or whatever that little magazine was called, that is what they were about, but it only made her look like an amateur and Charlene wasn't interested in doing any work anyway, or she didn't care how it would appear to anyone that she didn't?
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Post by sandsla on Jun 24, 2011 17:45:26 GMT -5
hey charlene!!!! what's it like to marry someone you've forced & cornered into walking you down the aisle??? how dreadful. especially since we know he's going to continue to poke any man/woman he can get his hands on thus, allowing you to maintain your status as a laughing [witt]stock!!!!!! and how's that fashion icon thing workin' for ya ... hahahahahahahahahahaha!!! Exactly, but you're talking about a girl without a conscience. I cannot imagine marrying a man that doesn't really want to, or cares nothing about you, or that doers not love you! Who would want to spend so many years trying to orchestrate something that situation: I guess if you are as cold as she is love is not very important. This girl for the most part is going to be miserable in that position and she is going to make everyone around her miserable--she is already use to the good life, but since she is such a dim wit she is not able to enjoy much of her job, never mind that she is very lazy--all she talks about is having time off! She has had five or six years off! This was the job she wanted! If she had been smart she would have let Albert make her a little deal and she could have gone and lived the rest of her life where and how she wanted.
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Post by paca on Jun 24, 2011 20:25:57 GMT -5
Paca, we were all laughing about it then, because I think you or someone else had pointed out at the time--how obvious it was that it was a photo op, because Albert does not allow razzi's there, and you do not see them photographing Charlene there in Monaco (or anywhere) unless it is intentional and it is to serve the purpose of a photo op. why would Razzi's be hanging out in front of the doctors office that Charlene just happens to be going to....and Albert escorting her! Albert did try to make an effort to call in a few favors when Charlene first arrived (he knew how it would look), to get Charlene a few little jobs so she looked like she was at least doing something for herself (with Albert's help ) and maybe earning her own money! The Porsche job, and Park View photo layout or whatever that little magazine was called, that is what they were about, but it only made her look like an amateur and Charlene wasn't interested in doing any work anyway, or she didn't care how it would appear to anyone that she didn't? Yes it was me, as the traffic light is just literally down the road and the therapist is just down the stairs in the Alcazar building. The building does have an underground parking and I know personally that Steph uses it as I was at an appointment with said therapist when she called to make an appointment in the evening. No way that they woud have parked their cars in front of the Cremaillere restaurant and walked over to France. They could have even gone a bit further and park next to the bank across the road from the traffic light for a quick entrance. It's not a real parking space, but neither is the one next to the cremaillere. But they needed that exact spot to be doing it with the fixed camera. A person could have followed them, but the camera on the booth can only rotate, and only does so when specifically attended. Otherwise it is directed towards the on comming traffic.
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Post by cm7007 on Jun 24, 2011 20:51:32 GMT -5
I really beginning to think Albert really, truly HATES Monaco and everything about it - especially his parents legacy, He's often said he doesn't like to be there - that's why he travels so much. I think he -not so subconsciously_ is thumbing his nose at Monaco and it's people. I think he hates it that much. Sounds crazy, I know, but there doesn't seem to be any other explanation to his madness! CM, I strongly believe this also. Charlene used it to her advantage that the people in Monaco disliked her - that's why she was sure to tell Albert each time about every single incident or snub she felt. She knows how unhappy Albert is about the criticism he gets in Monaco and Charlene knows how fragile Albert's ego is. For Albert, who has an inferiority complex (or as Paca corrected me who is just inferior), an insult to Charlene is an insult to him - since Charlene is his choice. Sandsla, you several all the comments that I was going to touch on later - with proof that Charlene is a pathological liar. I was really hoping though that Charlene had stated that she moved to Monaco because of her shoulder injury instead of her father. I have several articles (Margarita already mentioned some) whereas Charlene stated the opposite. Moe importantly, i have comments from Charlene's friends dated in March of 2007 - even before she swam at the South Africa national swim meet - where she told her friends that she was moving to Monaco. so, in March of 2007, Charlene was already bragging to her friends that she was moving to Monaco. So, Charlene's father statement is just a boldface lie on some many levels. But like his daughter, the but-kissing Paris Match never challenges these people on anything that they say or do. She swan in a meet in March '07? If that's the case she would have had to break her ankle AFTER that, and she told me she was in a cast for nearly 3 months - that would bring it to June or July of '07 - and she was clearly walking fine in Monaco then - SOOOOO when did she break her ankle so badly she was forced to "give up her dream"? Maybe her dad was telling the truth and it was her shoulder - which was a grossly exaggerated injury - and she needed to tell Albert another lie to explain WHY she would not be able to swim any longer - because she just didn't have the "chops" to compete - and she cried and cried to Albert at the loss of "her career"!!!
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Post by sandsla on Jun 24, 2011 23:10:21 GMT -5
CM, I strongly believe this also. Charlene used it to her advantage that the people in Monaco disliked her - that's why she was sure to tell Albert each time about every single incident or snub she felt. She knows how unhappy Albert is about the criticism he gets in Monaco and Charlene knows how fragile Albert's ego is. For Albert, who has an inferiority complex (or as Paca corrected me who is just inferior), an insult to Charlene is an insult to him - since Charlene is his choice. Sandsla, you several all the comments that I was going to touch on later - with proof that Charlene is a pathological liar. I was really hoping though that Charlene had stated that she moved to Monaco because of her shoulder injury instead of her father. I have several articles (Margarita already mentioned some) whereas Charlene stated the opposite. Moe importantly, i have comments from Charlene's friends dated in March of 2007 - even before she swam at the South Africa national swim meet - where she told her friends that she was moving to Monaco. so, in March of 2007, Charlene was already bragging to her friends that she was moving to Monaco. So, Charlene's father statement is just a boldface lie on some many levels. But like his daughter, the but-kissing Paris Match never challenges these people on anything that they say or do. She swan in a meet in March '07? If that's the case she would have had to break her ankle AFTER that, and she told me she was in a cast for nearly 3 months - that would bring it to June or July of '07 - and she was clearly walking fine in Monaco then - SOOOOO when did she break her ankle so badly she was forced to "give up her dream"? Maybe her dad was telling the truth and it was her shoulder - which was a grossly exaggerated injury - and she needed to tell Albert another lie to explain WHY she would not be able to swim any longer - because she just didn't have the "chops" to compete - and she cried and cried to Albert at the loss of "her career"!!! Well since we were all pretty active here in 2007? I don't remember ever seeing Charlene in a cast ever or reading about an ankle injury at the time--I might be confused, but it's a recent interview isn't it? That she's talking about twisting her ankle? Something that happened to her in her past? If Charlene had ever had a real injury at any time when she was dating Albert....when Albert had the press promoting her all over the place....and when he was looking for any excuse to give some reason for Charlene to quit or cut short her supposed Olympic dreams, or just an excuse for her to be out of the pool for any reason--I assure you there would have been a million interviews about it with acompaning photos of Charlene with her foot in a cast --I'm surprised they didn't actually pay someone to put her foot in a cast and take a photo, but then that would have required Charlene to hobble around on a cast for months....as she mentions herself, but no evidence of it being true? The thing is that if Charlene had ever had a real ankle injury at any time, they would have milked it for all they could, and they would have no reason to invent any other kind of shoulder injury where they actually had to stage photo ops to give Charlene an excuse to stop swimming. CM, that story is so Charlene....I have been watching her for years where she lies and makes up really silly stories. The one thing about lying that most people know, ".the least said the better", but once Charlene gets started she can't stop embellishing! So she gets herself in deeper and deeper where she just continues to give herself away more and more until she really puts her foot in it. Charlene doesn't even have a real purpose to all her lying half the time....except that she just thinks it makes her sound better? ;D She really had no need to tell you that she actually had her foot in a cast, or for how long? But she can't help herself, she just gets herself in deeper and deeper? The fact that no one saw her in a cast isn't important to her? Besides none of her injuries that she claims she had, were ever so devastating, that they should or would prevent a top athlete from pursuing their Olympic dream (of a gold medal remember ) and to actually force them into retirement, so much for all her drive! To tell you the truth what I remember about reading her posts at the time....Charlene as I mentioned above was completely clueless as to why she should have to come up with some excuse anyway, for not swimming or having to come up with any evidence to support her lies? She is use to just letting anything come out of her mouth and contradicting herself, without really having to ever answer for it? I guess so far it seems that most people are either too embarrassed or uncomfortable to point it out and ask her about it?
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Post by margarita on Jun 25, 2011 4:04:06 GMT -5
My guess: Charlenes father is right. Charlene knew shw will have to give up competing but without high school degree, without profession, with no job (something that hasn't changed until now) she was desperate. And saw one chance: To become Princess of Monaco. No work, spotlight, meal ticket, fame, attention.
And to make Albert think SHE is the only one who doesn't care for his title and money (while in real being a deaperate gold digger) she told him she is a top-athlete, focussed on swimming and wants to come to Monaco to compete.
Why she told CM7007 about her ankle ... I don't know.
Maybe because her IQ is beneath 100 or she is "only" too full of herself. I know women with phd and really high IQ (but low EQ) who are unable to keep their lies straight ... because they think they are more clever then the rest. And that's always the downfall...
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Post by cm7007 on Jun 25, 2011 15:52:35 GMT -5
My guess: Charlenes father is right. Charlene knew shw will have to give up competing but without high school degree, without profession, with no job (something that hasn't changed until now) she was desperate. And saw one chance: To become Princess of Monaco. No work, spotlight, meal ticket, fame, attention. And to make Albert think SHE is the only one who doesn't care for his title and money (while in real being a deaperate gold digger) she told him she is a top-athlete, focussed on swimming and wants to come to Monaco to compete. Why she told CM7007 about her ankle ... I don't know. Maybe because her IQ is beneath 100 or she is "only" too full of herself. I know women with phd and really high IQ (but low EQ) who are unable to keep their lies straight ... because they think they are more clever then the rest. And that's always the downfall... She's mentioned the ankle being her reason for not continuing her swimming in several interviews. I know why she "lied to me"- She had to make up something quick and that's what she came up with. I'm just surprised she repeated it.
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Post by MyAdia on Jul 3, 2011 23:28:39 GMT -5
Papa Wittstock spoke Friday night to the Sundy Times and he is still piss at these awful rumors. He states watching Charlene marrying was like winning the World Cup, in other words the Wittstocks are singing - kaching kaching! This man knows more than any one Conlene would have NEVER in a million year given all this up. He also talks about his father-of-the-bride wedding speech. Notice Charlene's teachers comment about her life - she had none outside of swimming. If anyone in the media had taken the time to get to know this woman beyond the palace script and her photos, they would have seen a deeper issue to this story - and more sinister side of Charlene - a woman who is willing to do anything to save face since she knows that she would have married Albert under any circumstances. Thi
Mike Wittstock extols good old SA virtues
by Werner Swart 03 July, 2011
A week ago Mike Wittstock was nervously preparing his speech for his daughter's wedding.
Any father-of-the-bride will attest to the pressures of speaking at such an event - but the burly dad from Benoni had the added weight of talking at a reception attended by heads of state, celebrities and royals, including French President Nicolas Sarkozy and supermodel Naomi Campbell.
So, Wittstock told the Sunday Times, he decided he would keep it "straight and simple" while boosting South Africa's image.
On Friday night, at the reception on the terraces of the Opera Garnier, Wittstock told the royal couple to remember Charlene's roots and raise their future children with "typical South African values" - and with discipline and respect for others.
Shortly after Charlene became Princess of Monaco the beaming dad said: "It feels like we've just won the World Cup!"
He said in his speech that the couple should be proud of Charlene's heritage and take the best of her local culture and incorporate it into their new life together.
He said South African children were taught about discipline and, with his daughter a successful swimmer and Olympian, he hoped this would play a big part in their family life.
Mike is a born-and-bred South African and avid Cheetahs rugby fan. His wife, Lynette, is from Zimbabwe.
He said: "In South Africa we teach our children to show respect to others and to their elders. With discipline and hard work we can achieve anything and I hope this is something everyone here will remember."
Even a close brush with death in February this year, when he was hijacked at the family home in Rynfield, Benoni, did not stop him from singing the praises of his home country.
International media picked up on the story, saying this would force the Wittstocks to make the permanent move to crime-free Monaco.
But Mike told the Sunday Times: "We are just normal, ordinary people. I like our life in Benoni. This is where we raised our kids. It will always be home."
Former teachers have revealed in recent weeks how they felt Charlene missed out on a "normal childhood" because of her swimming.
One said: "She never did the normal things with the other children like going to the movies. She was always in training, at the swimming pool or going to a competition.
"Her dad was the real driving force behind her success. He pushed his children to be the best and to excel. He could be quite a difficult man but he pushed them and demanded discipline. Thanks to that, she became the athlete she was and that's how she met her prince."
Another teacher said Charlene's mother Lynette, had always had a special bond with her daughter.
On Friday night, Mike wittstock posed with the Afrikaans boy band Romanz.
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Post by margarita on Jul 4, 2011 2:34:19 GMT -5
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Post by cm7007 on Jul 4, 2011 3:38:38 GMT -5
I guess it must take a great deal of discipline and hard work to be in Prince Albert's company for 5+ years. Maybe having sex - maybe not. Who knows. She's had so much plastic surgery over the past 4 years I don't see how she could have been very active sexually. She's been very busy recovering from her procedures! That'll be his excuse for cheating I bet.
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Post by paca on Jul 5, 2011 5:46:50 GMT -5
whatever daddy Wittstock proclaims as SA values....sorry, but the ones he names are pretty basic to all societies. even so called primitive ones. There is nothing special about being from SA that I have detected in the Wittstocks, apart from a distinct sense of feeling superior when you lack everything to back that feeling and a certain racism. I really can't help to compare these people to Eva Braun and her entourage. And I am certain that if Eva could have had surgeries to make her look like a filmstar, she would have done so. If you compare the biographies of the two you will see the parallels. Eva staged a suicide after Hitlers niece had committed suicide and she had heard that Hitler would not allow a woman in his inner circle would do that. her employer helped her. de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eva_Braun en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eva_Braun
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Post by margarita on Jul 5, 2011 7:23:31 GMT -5
whatever daddy Wittstock proclaims as SA values....sorry, but the ones he names are pretty basic to all societies. even so called primitive ones. There is nothing special about being from SA that I have detected in the Wittstocks, apart from a distinct sense of feeling superior when you lack everything to back that feeling and a certain racism. I really can't help to compare these people to Eva Braun and her entourage. And I am certain that if Eva could have had surgeries to make her look like a filmstar, she would have done so. If you compare the biographies of the two you will see the parallels. Eva staged a suicide after Hitlers niece had committed suicide and she had heard that Hitler would not allow a woman in his inner circle would do that. her employer helped her. de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eva_Braun en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eva_Braun...uuuups quite a lot in common! Scary ! CW seems to be a similar psychological type - hungry for attention, ready to be humiliated if only she can be close to a head of state, he didn't really want to have her around - she was the active part ect. At least Eva finished school. And it was not Eva who pushed H. into WW II - unlike Charlene & team who distracted Albert & his team (Allavena?) from working on his own plan for Monaco which focussed on the country and MAKING it a little bit better - not on a single workshy High school dropout and WRITING her as serene. CW becoming symbol of Monaco and making Albert and his resources focussing on HER promoting HER and HER image became Monaco's downfall. It is no excuse for Albert to not have done his job so far. But a difference between Eva and Charlene . (Sorry for repeating myself but I just can't get over this! Anno 2011 -so many years later when education and a profession is so much more important for a woman and an educated mother for their children - Charlene didn't even finish Hish school. School is a fundament you need to build on! And she wants to be First Lady She is the First joke - pardon!
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Post by paca on Jul 5, 2011 7:35:40 GMT -5
well she was 16 when she finished school and she did not have good grades, so they are alike there as well. Eva is supposed to have been athletic....btw Eva is said to have suffered from a syndrome preventing her from bearing children. She did not have an uterus and it also say that it causes malformations on the skeleton...
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Post by margarita on Jul 5, 2011 7:41:28 GMT -5
well she was 16 when she finished school and she did not have good grades, so they are alike there as well. Eva is supposed to have been athletic....btw Eva is said to have suffered from a syndrome preventing her from bearing children. She did not have an uterus and it also say that it causes malformations on the skeleton... ... malformations on the skeleton? IMO Charlenes skelleton is very male (shoulders in relation to hips) and for a person who was born two month pre-mature she is very high and muscular. Something tells me she will have problems to conceive and give birth to a child. * Just a thought if it is true that the pre-nups were re-negotiated after it came out that Albert is facing two paternity tests and if it is true that part of it is that CW will not fullfill all her duties .... (and she barely will refuse to pose for pictures in expensive wardrobes ) it means that she refuses to give birth to a heir or at least is not obligated to! (maybe she knew it will be difficult for her and was happy to find an excuse?) If that is part of contract it looks like a good reason for annulment. At least to me Does she have her own lawyers so far who might have warned her about trapes? She used even Alberts PR-team, staff and everything so I doubt she was clever enough to hire an own GOOD lawyer.
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