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Post by mrszinck on Jul 4, 2011 17:01:17 GMT -5
Welcome Rachel !
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Post by MyAdia on Jul 4, 2011 18:14:18 GMT -5
Hi all, I'm new to the boards - just wondering what is it specifically that you guys dislike about her. I didn't know that much about her until recently, in fact I still don't (although I've learned lots from here since I discovered the board) but the dislike of her here is in strong contrast to the media's view of her. I'd be interested to see what specifically about her makes you dislike her. Normally on boards I am used to seeing two different arguments, but you guys are unanimous about Charlene! Rachel, Creative responded with exactly what I wanted to say. In addition, we will not have a "why don't you like Charlene" thread because just that question alone implies no one has NEVER expressed reason why they dislike Conlene's actions, beliefs, attitude and behavior. If you actually read the threads, especially her interview threads, I believe posters are very SPECIFIC with the problems they have with her SPECIFIC actions, beliefs, attitude and behavior. So in summary - take the time and READ why posters expressed their opinions for each of her spoken words and actions for a specific event/interview/photo shoot. READ - start in Charlene's board and then perhaps head towards the combined board of her and ALbert. Just READ - there are lots of reasons in all of these threads. READ. Then, if you have any questions about any specific opinion in any specific thread, just post your question and comment in that thread. I'm sure people will be more than happy to respond.
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Post by rachel on Jul 4, 2011 20:52:02 GMT -5
Hi guys and thank you for the response. I will keep reading through the boards, they are very interesting and it's great that the information is here as the media is pretty one sided about her and it's obvious there's a lot more behind the scenes.
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Post by creativemind on Jul 4, 2011 21:04:27 GMT -5
and please if you have any questions -- just throw them out and i'm sure someone will point you where to take a peek etc ... or have an answer for you!
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Post by paca on Jul 5, 2011 2:49:36 GMT -5
Hi guys and thank you for the response. I will keep reading through the boards, they are very interesting and it's great that the information is here as the media is pretty one sided about her and it's obvious there's a lot more behind the scenes. the media mostly hasn't met her and those who have never so the pre operative Charlene. Some posters on the board have met her in person and have seen her behaviour off camera. Also what Monegasques say into a microphone is entirely different to what you hear on the streets or what you are being told in private. In a country which does not allow free speech, there is a different way of communicating and also to whom you communicate what. You have to compare this to the way Germans had to conduct themselves under Naziregime or in Eastgermany. Arabic countries are similar. And the rumour, unlike in normal society is a vehicle of information. The kind of rumour spread tells you more about what is going on, then it's actual content. YOu have to do a lot of reading between lines, when you read articles in Monaco Matin. You have to remember that Monaco has been run for over 50 years by a prince who did not tolerate to be criticized in any way. In Monaco you can be banned without a trial if you offend anyone. Everyone here knows that. That is why people in Monaco never want their names mentioned if they actually do talk to journalists. They fear to lose their work or worse. Albert still has that right even if he uses it less, then his father. But he does use it and most likely will use it more in the future.
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Post by margarita on Jul 5, 2011 3:13:33 GMT -5
Yes - welcome Rachel! and happy posting Paca ... thanks for your analyze of Monaco's communication and media! I have lived in GDR and have a lot of friends who know the Soviet system - sounds familiar what you say I remember the fear to speak openly, the newspapers like NEUES DEUTSCHLAND which sounded pretty much like Charlenes "central organ" BUNTE & Co. selling illusions for reality. I guess the big mistake media do -and surely one of the reasons why a con artist like Charlene could go so far- is that they not realize that a place which seems to be so open and so international, a jet-set meeting place with a lot of tourists in the heart of Europe has a VERY different style of communication. Well ... so far they closed their eyes but (last but not least thanks to Charlenes brilliant idea to "escape" via airport Nice) they are now waking up and smell there is something fishy. Hope some journalists read this forum and Paca's analyze...
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Post by cstone on Jul 6, 2011 16:12:42 GMT -5
u know she is either over dress or under dress or in need of a cover-up imo the brunch gown. who dresses her? cant someone give her some advice on what to wear and when to wear it and for heaven sake take all her halter gowns,shirts and anything else that is halter like away from her-its looks awlful. she looks like a linebacker (football term).all of this is imo. so i guess imo she still cant dress herselft-which with money should be easy esp if you have all day to choose your outfits
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Post by cstone on Jul 8, 2011 9:31:28 GMT -5
So my opinion of her hasn't change-if she would justdo some self improving-how hard is it to learn a language when u have access to the best teachers or learn some table manners infact I'll give a free lesson rt now(chew food quitely) there.... all she has to do is read plus that free lesson was in english-we all should improve in one way or another every day-
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Post by paca on Jul 8, 2011 12:35:46 GMT -5
It's hard to learn a language or anything for that matter, when you lack a brain. The woman is 33 and still talks like a 13 year old and a badly educated one as that...
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Post by creativemind on Jul 8, 2011 14:58:27 GMT -5
and the thing is i've found in most all countries -- including france and monaco -- if you TRY to speak the language -- the locals are so appreciative and want to help you. for example -- i was in monaco a couple years ago at that xmas festival having something made for a family member and i spoke [not perfect french by any means] and the artisans loved it, they were so accomodating. happened numerous times there and in france and the people are GREAT if you at least TRY! then again if i visit a country, i make it a point to know some language skills and how to carry basic conversation before i go. yes paca, i guess that does require a BRAIN!!!!!
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Post by margarita on Jul 8, 2011 15:53:17 GMT -5
and the thing is i've found in most all countries -- including france and monaco -- if you TRY to speak the language -- the locals are so appreciative and want to help you. for example -- i was in monaco a couple years ago at that xmas festival having something made for a family member and i spoke [not perfect french by any means] and the artisans loved it, they were so accomodating. happened numerous times there and in france and the people are GREAT if you at least TRY! then again if i visit a country, i make it a point to know some language skills and how to carry basic conversation before i go. yes paca, i guess that does require a BRAIN!!!!! I second that! I have learned several languages and moved to more than one country only to improve my foreign languages - ALWAYS (even when I did mistakes) people gave me a warm welcome and opened their hearts, minds and doors. CW had time, teachers and even a special status....
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Post by cstone on Jul 8, 2011 17:33:18 GMT -5
Lol that's funny and I also agree on trying to speak another language-in france everyone was so kind and helpful when I tried to speak french-i love that language imo its a beautiful lanuage. how can you not learn it.....oh yeah a brain is needed So tell me about her table manners? are they truely awlful? I've heard that she chews with her mouth open and makes a lot of noise.has anyone seen this or have heard about it ?
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Post by emmeline on Jul 8, 2011 17:36:37 GMT -5
Lol that's funny and I also agree on trying to speak another language-in france everyone was so kind and helpful when I tried to speak french-i love that language imo its a beautiful lanuage. how can you not learn it.....oh yeah a brain is needed So tell me about her table manners? are they truely awlful? I've heard that she chews with her mouth open and makes a lot of noise.has anyone seen this or have heard about it ? I think french (and monegasques too) are really nice with you if you really are trying to learn the language. But, if you show no interest in doing that, they won't be nice with you. That's, iguess, one of the reasons why Charlene is not liked in Monaco. About the table manners...i don't know, maybe someone here know this? But i think you are right, she has no manners
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Post by cstone on Jul 9, 2011 17:21:27 GMT -5
Can we have a thread on charlene's fashion
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Post by MyAdia on Jul 9, 2011 17:56:45 GMT -5
Can we have a thread on charlene's fashion Cstone, We do not have "Fashion Threads" as say TRF where all of Chalrene's outfits are dposted and (mostly) praised. Royal Opinions is pretty good at reporting every public event that Charlene attends and you can (as we do) discuss her attire and any other fashion related topics to that event. It makes no sense nor serve any discussion related agenda to re-post all of Charlene's outfits again in a fashion thread just to discuss them again. However, we do have this thread: Who made It: Charlene's Attires in which anyone can post the designer (or store) of each of Charlene's outfit. This thread adds something different than just discussing the same outfit that was already discussed in the event thread. I also include, when available, the cost of the item. Royal Opinions are also have the below two threads where you can discuss specific topics related to Charlene and fashion. I just do not want to turn Royal opinion into a shrine of all of Charlene's clothes - that only feeds her narcissism and her desire to be a style icon. Besides, we do enough of that already with the threads that we have, especially the who-made-it thread. I just haven't updated it lately. Anyone is free to do so. I just ask that you only add to it if you actually know who the designer is. Media: Charlene is becoming a Clothes HorseCharlene's original "fashion style"
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Post by bettina on Jul 10, 2011 16:03:24 GMT -5
I don't know how to do this but, this is an answer to cstone in regards to CW or PC as of now, table manners and open mouth chewing. I do hope not. If she does indeed do that, is probably down to the use of botox, lip filler ( which lifts her upper lip considerably and her capped teeth. She is having a hard time speaking properly during some of the interviews ( sounds like people with dentures ) so, no surprise if all this is not in the way. I wish she did not go through all these procedures, she could have looked fine on her own, she is young enough and can actually look nice when dressed well.
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Post by bettina on Jul 10, 2011 16:21:59 GMT -5
I just had a look at the interview "L'autre Prince" where PPDA was quite rude towards her, corrected her at least twice, firstly when she said christian instead of "critian" and when she said I am looking forward to discover France, he said Monaco ( accent on last o ) and she replied I know Monaco ( accent on first o ) and he corrected her again. Very french of him. When I first started speaking french, the french always made a point of correcting me or pretending they did not understand unless it was perfect french. Not the happy experience of other members on the forum. As for PC, she could have been more prepared. She is really struggling to understand what PPDA is saying and it shows or she is trying to look interested. I presume that they gave them the questions as well ahead of time, I doubt this was a "gotcha" type of interview. I disliked the "why don't you give us a break" comment when PPDA asked if they are planning for family-children, not very proper for a televised interview, informal as it may have been seen. Having said all that about PC, PPDA could not even wish in english happiness to the couple, he said something like very good chance? To which PC replied, "OK", not thank you, odd...
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Post by duchesscornflower on Jul 10, 2011 16:54:37 GMT -5
u know she is either over dress or under dress or in need of a cover-up imo the brunch gown. who dresses her? cant someone give her some advice on what to wear and when to wear it and for heaven sake take all her halter gowns,shirts and anything else that is halter like away from her-its looks awful. she looks like a linebacker (football term).all of this is imo. so i guess imo she still cant dress herself-which with money should be easy esp if you have all day to choose your outfits I guess that picking the correct clothes when one is in the paparazzi spotlight is not unlike walking through a fashion minefield. This task is made more difficult of one does not have experience in choosing Haute Couture for diplomatic & gala events. It is apparent that Charlene loves halter top, tube top & strapless clothing. This style is not always OK for the wife of a reigning prince. I hope that as time goes on, she learns to appreciate other types of attire. My opinion - this style is tiresome and not appropriate.
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Post by suite583 on Jul 10, 2011 18:35:29 GMT -5
u know she is either over dress or under dress or in need of a cover-up imo the brunch gown. who dresses her? cant someone give her some advice on what to wear and when to wear it and for heaven sake take all her halter gowns,shirts and anything else that is halter like away from her-its looks awful. she looks like a linebacker (football term).all of this is imo. so i guess imo she still cant dress herself-which with money should be easy esp if you have all day to choose your outfits I guess that picking the correct clothes when one is in the paparazzi spotlight is not unlike walking through a fashion minefield. This task is made more difficult of one does not have experience in choosing Haute Couture for diplomatic & gala events. It is apparent that Charlene loves halter top, tube top & strapless clothing. This style is not always OK for the wife of a reigning prince. I hope that as time goes on, she learns to appreciate other types of attire. My opinion - this style is tiresome and not appropriate. It is forbidden paparazzis taken pics from the princley family in Monaco so it would only be outside the country
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Post by margarita on Jul 11, 2011 2:24:15 GMT -5
I just had a look at the interview "L'autre Prince" where PPDA was quite rude towards her, corrected her at least twice, firstly when she said christian instead of "critian" and when she said I am looking forward to discover France, he said Monaco ( accent on last o ) and she replied I know Monaco ( accent on first o ) and he corrected her again. Very french of him. When I first started speaking french, the french always made a point of correcting me or pretending they did not understand unless it was perfect french. Not the happy experience of other members on the forum. As for PC, she could have been more prepared. She is really struggling to understand what PPDA is saying and it shows or she is trying to look interested. I presume that they gave them the questions as well ahead of time, I doubt this was a "gotcha" type of interview. I disliked the "why don't you give us a break" comment when PPDA asked if they are planning for family-children, not very proper for a televised interview, informal as it may have been seen. Having said all that about PC, PPDA could not even wish in english happiness to the couple, he said something like very good chance? To which PC replied, "OK", not thank you, odd... Welcome bettina! I watched that interview at least two times too - couldn't watch it more times because it's too scary. As for the corrections of PPDA ("when she said I am looking forward to discover France, he said Monaco ( accent on last o ) and she replied I know Monaco ( accent on first o ) and he corrected her again" ) In my humble opinion: after this sentence of her they should have cancelled this wedding! It was so rude to the Monegasque people! If Albert was Polish president (you can compare Monaco and Poland for many reasons) and determined to marry a "first lady" who says "First thing I will do when becoming Princess? Discover Russia!" he would be forced step down OR cancel the wedding the very day Even I felt ensulted although I am not Monegasque. Monaco is a tiny country with huge neighbours, they need no First Lady who says stuff like that and DOES NOT EVEN FEEL HOW RUDE SHE IS EVEN WHEN CORRECTED. PPDA felt how wrong this answer was and what appeared like being rude to Charlene might have been a spontaneous attempt of "damage control"? He builded her a bridge suggesting the right answer (You mean Monaco?) but she didn't get even THAT . Sorry, bettina - it's not against you but this interview was such a disaster that my blood pressure goes up when I only think about it. She is just unprofessional!!! Each question was sooo predictable (plans/ religion/ children) and answer was totally wrong. This was all so telling...
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