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Post by paca on Jun 24, 2011 17:58:30 GMT -5
There's no way Carline is anywhere near stupid. She's allowing this to happen. Maybe even orchestrating it. There is no other way she can take control otherwise. Albert will not step down on his own. I think Caroline, although she loves her brother, knows this marriage is going to be the end of his reign. He's going to have to step down and sooner rather than later. She will have to take over - and then even if he and CW have a an heir - which they probably will somehow - that heir will never, ever inherit the "throne". Like when Edward abdicated in England, and George took over - it was George's heirs (Elizabeth) who inherited the title. There is no other explanation for any of this. I don't think that Caroline is scheming to take over. Antoinette tried that because her husband wanted the job. I think Caroline knows very well what the job implies and does not want the job. And I think she also knows that none of her children would be capable to do the job nor wanting to do the job. They are all quite happy with the kind of life they are leading. It is a privileged life without having to give too much in return. Albert's job, if it is supposed to be done right, takes a lot of time and work. It is a huge responsibility that needs to be taken seriously. None of them has that sense of responsibility or is willing to pay the price. And I don't think that Caroline would want to turn MC into a democracy.
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Post by paca on Jun 24, 2011 18:16:32 GMT -5
There's no way Carline is anywhere near stupid. She's allowing this to happen. Maybe even orchestrating it. There is no other way she can take control otherwise. Albert will not step down on his own. I think Caroline, although she loves her brother, knows this marriage is going to be the end of his reign. He's going to have to step down and sooner rather than later. She will have to take over - and then even if he and CW have a an heir - which they probably will somehow - that heir will never, ever inherit the "throne". Like when Edward abdicated in England, and George took over - it was George's heirs (Elizabeth) who inherited the title. There is no other explanation for any of this. I thought Caroline had tried to prevent this for many years, and even after the announcement she was trying to enlist others to speak some sense to him??? I don't know she might feel something has to give now, but I don't think Caroline ever really wanted the job before--I think she hates whats been going on there, but I find it hard to believe that she would want this to happen, after all it wouldn't put her in good standing after the fact. I don't think she was ever looking to knock her brother off the thrown instead I think she would have liked him to find a nice and capable woman. I know that it's very late in the game but they still could say Charlene didn't want the pressure of the job, and proved to much for her--they could still make a graceful (as much as possible) exit! before they are completely screwed! I agree. maybe Caro just thinks that none of her or her sisters relationships lasted very long. So she might just do the Merkel and sit it out. Doesn't make her look good either, but I think she is more looking after her own, making sure that none of her family is perceived as unwelcoming. I think they are all polite to her and keep what they really think of her to themselves. If there will be a child, then it will be raised by nannies anyways. But who knows, maybe Albert had a vasectomy....
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Post by smt on Jun 24, 2011 18:35:31 GMT -5
Just when I thought it could not possibly get any worse. What was the most awful part of this interview? Where do I begin? Let's see ... the absolute awkwardness of a man who has spent his life in the public spotlight who still finds it incredibly difficult to utter a sentence without a great deal of emotional and physical strain ... the stupidness of Trampolina who, when answering one of her questions, actually says, "... I hope that makes sense ...."
Lady, let me tell you something --- none of this makes any sense. Dear Lawd ...
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Post by emmeline on Jun 24, 2011 18:56:19 GMT -5
They won't call it off, sadly, because Albert doesn't have the balls, and Charlene wants to be officially Princess at least for a day. Then, how long will the marriage last, i have no idea. And if there are no heirs...well, they sure will be. Poor kids.
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Post by paca on Jun 24, 2011 19:18:27 GMT -5
[/b][/u] That last sentences is exactly what I thought when I first identified who she was here on these forums! How could Albert want to spend time with this person? Before that, she didn't have to open her mouth to know she was a gold-digger or arrogant...of course if she had a brain in her head most women would have known better than to behave the way she was in public even if they were a manipulating schemer? It did leave me scratching my head how so many people could be that stupid. I have to disagree though that she thought anyone meant physically, we never were the least vague about that-- she just thought she was above it (read her posts ). Her physical improvements is about nothing but her own vanity, who would prefer to try to promote herself as a model instead of a swimmer who went to the Olympics. This girl has always thought she was something special in the looks department and that is why and what "she" has always wanted and chosen to try to capitalize on herself![/u][/quote] She was very aware she was not a pretty woman. I heard her "joke" about her big shoulders and her big nose and her flat chest. She desperately wanted to be considered "pretty" and I think she believed if she made herself "prettier" she'd have a better "chance" nailing Albert. He kept telling her he needed a "showpiece". A woman as beautiful as is mother to represent Monaco. Clearly Alert has poor eye sight! But that is what all the changes were about. But SHE wanted to be A STAR! It's very sad. She really thought it was all about just being pretty. (and I think she looks much worse that before!!!)(But of course she is getting the title - so she feels justified - but really so what!)[/quote]Yes I think that's what triggered it. remember that she felt flattered that Albert noticed her? I think Albert knows very well that he only has a chance with women who have low self-esteem. A good looking and smart woman would not give him the time of day. Monaco surely added to that. Women in Monaco resolve to surgery to prolong their expiring date. A woman turning 40 is considered old, a guy the same age is considered young. With surgeries they hope to gain a few more years before they get replaced by a younger and blonder version. I am sure that the people like that trashy designer, who also is a niptuck addict, and Brandstetter, who is a former hairdresser from Nuremberg, encouraged her. After all these women got what they wanted this way.....except a man who loves and respects them. And CW is getting the same thing: loads of expensive clothes; luxury travel and a man who doesn't love or respect her. She has only a short time left in her as she started her surgeries 10 years early....
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Post by paca on Jun 24, 2011 19:29:27 GMT -5
Did I get that right that the mademoiselles d 'honneurs, so the bridesmaids, are not friends but girls from Monaco and the region? ? don't these people have friends and family?
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Post by paca on Jun 24, 2011 19:50:54 GMT -5
too funny: Cw is being asked since she has been at amfar with Albert if that is the kind of causes she will be seen at participating in the future. And the stupid chuck says yes, because it's an event that has a lot of international attention and that is why she would go there to draw attention to the event....LOL I think it's more: I go there because the event has a lot of international press and that's why I go there so people write about ME. And Albert the idiot explains in long that if the wedding draws attention to all aspects of Monaco he would consider that a personal success. All aspects, Albert? Are you sure you would want that? Like drawing attention to the violation of human rights which is still practiced? Like banning people from Monaco without a process, like it happened with Lord Eastleigh and a few other people I personally know of? prosecuting people who put a red nose on your picture on a website? getting people released from their jobs, because they criticised you or sth you did, or someone who is consulting you or benefitting of you? Do you really, besides the tax evaders, money laundering and corruption that people know about all this? do you really want investors to know that it is better to throw money down the toilet then putting it into a project in Monaco because they can never be sure after how many millions invested you will change your mind and cancel the project? do you really want the world to see how incompetent you are? Do you want the world to see that there is no museum of value left in Monaco, that there is no theater in Monaco which has its own production? that the orchestra has once again no chef and that it is bound to sink even further artistically and lose its young and promising musicians that Kreizberg managed to attract? The only thing positive left for Monaco at present is the good weather and the sea, but that you can have a few meters down the road for half the price. So you better pray that it doesn't rain.....
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Post by paca on Jun 24, 2011 20:03:31 GMT -5
They switched from 15.00 on to asking her in English. Her answer what she liked best at Will and kates wedding, was the support of the people....then he asks if it matters that it will be less for her....I think the guy was lucky that the interview had reached its end
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Post by cm7007 on Jun 24, 2011 21:39:45 GMT -5
I noticed towards the end of the interview Charlene seemed to adjust something in her left ear. Maybe she was just scratching it - OR I wonder if she had an ear piece in it and someone was translating and feeding her answers. (You know like Cyrano!) What do you think?
Also, someone needs to teach her - train her - to stop moving her head around like some sort of a bird when she speaks. It's SOOOOO low class. It's so painful to watch her speak on so many levels!
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Post by suite583 on Jun 24, 2011 22:48:21 GMT -5
Also, someone needs to teach her - train her - to stop moving her head around like some sort of a bird when she speaks. She is imitating her dog Monac. And she is reincarnated dog.
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Post by mrszinck on Jun 25, 2011 1:39:06 GMT -5
I agree, Cm7007 PlasticFace had an ear piece in and someone was translating and feeding her answers. But it doesn't matter much... It is again a BORING interview!
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Post by duchess1 on Jun 25, 2011 5:10:30 GMT -5
This was so painful to watch. I am now more conviced than ever that these two are on medication of some sort, and they are both in denial !! Poor Monaco
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Post by margarita on Jun 25, 2011 6:06:46 GMT -5
just a thought: Maybe Albert and Charlene have realized by now that they should not get married -for their own sake and Monaco's) ... but are both blackmailed? I mean: Charlene looks so scared and unhappy - I bet she is close to give up, take whatever she can get of the jackpot just to get out of there!
There was a quite revealing sentence in the NYT article:
"I thought she was one of the most anxious people I have ever met,” said Jenny Crwys-Williams, who interviewed Ms. Wittstock for South Africa’s popular Talk Radio 702 in February. “She was absolutely terrified of saying the wrong thing and falling foul of the terrible women in the palace."
Isn't it strange that Charlene was the first and only who got huge media coverage directly after her first appearance with Albert? CW was talking to the media, spoke about "Turin a great place for lovers", gave interviews, had blubs to the media, photo ops right after Turin, told BUNTE her new adress is the Palace ect .... and Albert did not dump her for being indescret.
My guess. Stahl and whoever is behind Stahl picked a girl to establish as official companion and instrument. Charlene was casted and picked by Stahl & team - and introduced to Albert.
Albert was told that CW was good for him after the Alexandre/Nicole scandal - better an official companion than new women at his side every third month. It would make him look more serious. And CW comes to Monaco to train and compete - he is not obliged to anything and can look for a woman he loves out of the limelight. And he bought that.
While CW & Stahl from day one worked on establishing CW as First Lady and PMO.
Albert was given the illusion it was he who had chosen CW at this New Years party - like now he is given the impression it was he who decided to marry her.
These two are under strong influence of whatever but no good and I think they have noticed.
If so: Why not telling Charlene: listen darling - you and me both know we have to get out of this until next Friday. You are always afraid to say or do anything wrong. Do so! Something that makes it impossible to marry but allows a face-saving exit for both. I will give you every assistance to start anew in S.A. or whereever.
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Post by paca on Jun 25, 2011 6:08:39 GMT -5
What? you think there is somebody else as stupid as herself in the palace? I don't think they did the W with her.....yet....but I think that they will consider the option if they ever let her in front of cameras again. To bad she doesn't read otherwise they could have used a teleprompter. Her answers did not make any sense, so if they would have used an ear piece then CW is even dumber then that person, if they thought that was an improvement and they both need to be kept very very quiet even off camera.
I don't think that Albert himself made a lot more sense in his answers. They have to stop him from trying to make long sentences. He loses what he wants to say. He wants to sound smart, realizes that he has nothing smart to say and then keeps on stammering and struggling to the end of his answer. He needs to learn to keep things short. It's painful to have to listen and makes him look like an idiot. He is always trying to put himself and what he does into a bigger context, as if he will become more important that way. Bad news: he doesn't. The man desperately needs a coach and not only for his stammering, but mostly to teach him to communicate. If he is anything like that when he is telling his staff what to do then it is no surprise that nothing ever works out. He needs to keep things short and clear for starters and once he managed that he can slowly work his way up. when does he get his KIngs speech moment?
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Post by margarita on Jun 25, 2011 6:13:54 GMT -5
His King's speech moment? When he says "NO." and turns around next Friday.
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Post by paca on Jun 25, 2011 6:28:49 GMT -5
just a thought: Maybe Albert and Charlene have realized by now that they should not get married -for their own sake and Monaco's) ... but are both blackmailed? I mean: Charlene looks so scared and unhappy - I bet she is close to give up, take whatever she can get of the jackpot just to get out of there! There was a quite revealing sentence in the NYT article: "I thought she was one of the most anxious people I have ever met,” said Jenny Crwys-Williams, who interviewed Ms. Wittstock for South Africa’s popular Talk Radio 702 in February. “She was absolutely terrified of saying the wrong thing and falling foul of the terrible women in the palace."Isn't it strange that Charlene was the first and only who got huge media coverage directly after her first appearance with Albert? CW was talking to the media, spoke about "Turin a great place for lovers", gave interviews, had blubs to the media, photo ops right after Turin, told BUNTE her new adress is the Palace ect .... and Albert did not dump her for being indescret. My guess. Stahl and whoever is behind Stahl picked a girl to establish as official companion and instrument. Charlene was casted and picked by Stahl & team - and introduced to Albert. Albert was told that CW was good for him after the Alexandre/Nicole scandal - better an official companion than new women at his side every third month. It would make him look more serious. And CW comes to Monaco to train and compete - he is not obliged to anything and can look for a woman he loves out of the limelight. And he bought that. While CW & Stahl from day one worked on establishing CW as First Lady and PMO. Albert was given the illusion it was he who had chosen CW at this New Years party - like now he is given the impression it was he who decided to marry her. These two are under strong influence of whatever but no good and I think they have noticed. If so: Why not telling Charlene: listen darling - you and me both know we have to get out of this until next Friday. You are always afraid to say or do anything wrong. Do so! Something that makes it impossible to marry but allows a face-saving exit for both. I will give you every assistance to start anew in S.A. or whereever. Well, I'd say whoever did that casting should not make it as a profession. If CW started to get scared in February, then she should have just stayed in SA with her family and called it quits. It's never too late to say I don't and I think she would be given a lot more credit if she would leave now, then waiting for the divorce and do the Diana whining tour. I was in England before the seperation was made public and people where getting really sick of her and said, just get that divorce and shut up. Only her only her early death made her the princess of hearts. If she would have continued the way she did, she would have been topping Fergie on the most disliked royal list. People were fed up with her. A lot of the princess of the hearts things is also the bad conscience of the people talking. NOt because of who she was as a person. Because let's face it: Diana was quite a schemer and could be very bitchy to those she did not like. A lot of the work she did, she did for the photo op and the image. Unlike CW Diana was very savvy with regards to the media.
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Post by margarita on Jun 25, 2011 6:43:03 GMT -5
"Well, I'd say whoever did that casting should not make it as a profession. If CW started to get scared in February, then she should have just stayed in SA with her family and called it quits. It's never too late to say I don't and I think she would be given a lot more credit if she would leave now, then waiting for the divorce and do the Diana whining tour."
Maybe CW doesn't think much ahead and just wants to get through with this "event" - but the torture will ONLY BEGIN with the tiara on her head and the ring on her finger.
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Post by axelle on Jun 25, 2011 6:54:01 GMT -5
Sad thing is she thinks she is up to the job, and the other folks have let her believe it!
It is a travesty, the interview was painfully boring. Neither one of them have any substance.
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Post by paca on Jun 25, 2011 7:29:24 GMT -5
"Well, I'd say whoever did that casting should not make it as a profession. If CW started to get scared in February, then she should have just stayed in SA with her family and called it quits. It's never too late to say I don't and I think she would be given a lot more credit if she would leave now, then waiting for the divorce and do the Diana whining tour." Maybe CW doesn't think much ahead and just wants to get through with this "event" - but the torture will ONLY BEGIN with the tiara on her head and the ring on her finger. We know that she doesn't think ahead, she has said so herself. SHe thought she was being clever and that living for the moment was a good trait. Only stupid people do not think ahead and don't watch where they are going. That's why they keep falling flat on their faces; she doesn't think of the past either so she can't learn from her mistakes. Basically she is living in a state of permanent Alzheimer where everything is always new and life is permanent training and having to do it again because she is getting it wrong all the time. If she finds it frustrating and hard now, she will be finding it worse in 3 months. Plus she has to get pregnant asap. In a year she will be in a psychiatric ward or do what a lot of people do in Monaco: commit suicide. CW likes to think of herself as being strong and a fighter. SHe keeps forgetting that she never got an Olympic medal because her mind wasn't there. You lose races in the head. Frazier lost against ALi because of ALis psychological strength not his physical strength. Daley Thompson always beat Juegern Hingsen in direct encounters. the 2m man was a nervous wreck whenever he had to compete against him, although physically he was always in advantage. CW lacks psychologically the strength to get through this. Monaco has already gotten to her and getting her to do all those unnecessary surgeries. And she is still not feeling better and fitting in. It will be worse after the wedding when everyone has legitimate expectations of her. These past years nothing was and could be expected of her. Hence she thought she could pull it off. But after the wedding things are different. And Albert made it quite clear that the reason why he is marrying her is his survival as a prince. That is one hell of a burden to carry and I doubt that her shoulders are big enough for that.
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Post by MyAdia on Jun 25, 2011 8:03:47 GMT -5
too funny: Cw is being asked since she has been at amfar with Albert if that is the kind of causes she will be seen at participating in the future. And the stupid chuck says yes, because it's an event that has a lot of international attention and that is why she would go there to draw attention to the event... Ok, I viewed more of the video. Seriously it is really painfully to watch these two make such fools of Monaco - they have been making fools of themselves sine at Turin - but Albert making his once booty call now Princess Charlene of Monaco has made a laughing stock of his country. This is Charlene's response of what Paca mentions. Time 9:30 - Henri asks Charlene about her involvement in the amfAR gala at Cannes and if this is something or type of event that she will be involved with. Charlene: I think it is one of the events that’s uh highlighted around the world and so I think we would yeah definitely support something that you know definitely needs uh obviously awareness raised to that. Yes, definitely. And another Charlene response, but I couldn't understand the question that Henri asked (Thanks Taz for the translation - I inserted it)Time 10:55 -
Henri: Miss Wittstock, you went to South Africa to highlight the Association Special Olympics which unites handicapped athletes. What is the essence of this commitment? Charlene: I have always been passionate about the Special Olympics. I’ve trained with athletes that were either visually impaired, mentally impaired an uh I have a lot of compassion for them and they needed a lot of help to uh, to realize their available goals and I was there available to help them, to assist them.
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