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Post by grandduchess on Jul 4, 2011 14:29:15 GMT -5
I just started to watch the Bild coverage ... the arrival of the guests is just hysterical. I've never seen so many poorly and tart-ly dressed women (or at least I thought most of them were born women!). Proof that money can't buy you class. I read some place that money does not make fools of people... it only shows them up. Like at this wedding.
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Post by blue j on Jul 4, 2011 14:53:56 GMT -5
It was religious wedding?? Where was the altar, the cross? Did I miss something? Is this farce-of-the-wedding even legitimate in eyes of Catholic Church? Barsi should be fired from his post. JMO.
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Post by Lady Michelle Elizabeth on Jul 4, 2011 16:50:22 GMT -5
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Post by temporary on Jul 4, 2011 17:16:24 GMT -5
Wow, that was the most akward dance ever...God, they can't do anything well! Okay so the following is pure speculation on my part, but: 1) I'm thinking with how blown up her lips were a few weeks ago, and that they looked deflated and uneven last week, that she had another shot in the lips sometime this week, if she did, I'm guessing she was probably in agony everytime he kissed her and that may be part of what you're seeing -for instance the blow by blow analysis one news outlet did of the kiss was that she was initially eager but then she hunches her shoulders up- she's could be doing that so as not to wince in pain. Likewise that would explain him kissing her chin and pulling back from her, not a great plan to do the lip thing right before wedding in any event-whose bright idea was that? The open eyes thing I have no idea what that is about with Albert... 2) I honestly think, all the internet forums are reading WAY too much into the facial expressions during the cermony given the conditions. If you had seen that in air condition -okay sure interpret that negatively but Monaco's outside temperature was what- in the 80's, 90's that day? Under that oven, I mean TENT, with all those people it, not to mention all the electrical equipment blowing hot air out of their housings, and it had to be in the neighboorhood of 90- 100's with really high humidity. You're easily looking at a heat index I'm guessing of around 100-110. And everyone was sitting in there in formal dress. Sarkosy and PA from their faces looked like they were in the beggining stages of heat exhaustion and right around the time when when Papa Wittstock started sweating bullets- PA and Sarkosy suspiciously STOPPED sweating - which may have indicated they were heading toward heat stroke. That is about the time all of the sudden when Charlene started looking "sad". She's sitting there in how many freaking crenilines under that dress? She probably had more layers on her than anyone else at the wedding. What many people interpreted as sad looked to me like the wilting people do when they are dangerously overheated, her shoulders slumped and she got glassy eyed and stared off into space and kinda became non-responsive- I honestly think that the most likely explanation was that the poor girl was probably suffering from heat exhaustion and trying not to faint. It's just really unfortunate that that happened with a background of the runaway bride stories, if that was a pr stunt, it REALLY blew up for that reason. When there was something going on- for instance vows or rings etc, I don't know what anyone else saw, but I saw genuine affection toward her on PA's face. 2) There have been past photos with Albert with Tasha or another old date where he is swing dancing and clearly cutting a rug. I swing dance myself and it's not anywhere as easy as it looks, you have to be very coordinated and light on your feet and move very fast. He always dances like that with Charlene, I think maybe she can't move fast/far in high heels. (Hmmm if her ankle is still weak from the "injury" and she's in stilletos I can see her not wanting to push her luck with it) Or perhaps it makes for better still photos. Just some thoughts
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Post by smt on Jul 4, 2011 17:20:13 GMT -5
I've wasted tooo much time this holiday weekend on this two losers and watching the various videos.
Time to go watch the Phillies game and then the fireworks over the Philadelphia Museum of Art at 10PM. It's good to know that Grace's gown is safe and secure in the Museum ... although poor Grace is probably crying buckets of tears over the farce her son has created in Monaco.
Oh well ... until tomorrow!
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Post by hibou on Jul 4, 2011 17:43:17 GMT -5
toward the end of the clip it looks like he says wipe the tear on your cheek. Not very soothing.
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Post by cm7007 on Jul 4, 2011 18:12:43 GMT -5
You're very kind temporary but I don't think her lips hurt her - nor do I think she has a problem with her ankle. I've actually seen her dance quite strenuously in very high heels (after the ankle incident) and it never seemed to bother her at all. I've been in their presence too many time to tell you that I NEVER, EVER saw on moment of real "love" from either of them for the other. He likes her and has always tried to behave like a gentleman when she's around - but love - no. Not from either of them. And she makes fun of him a lot behind his back! And not in an endearing way,
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Post by cm7007 on Jul 4, 2011 18:28:30 GMT -5
As far as the video clip goes - I think her tears are real - what they are for is the question. He looks like he's saying something like "What are you crying about?" And he doesn't seem pleased at her display of emotion. No compassion at all for her or why she may be crying. But if they were tears of "happiness" he would know it and he would have been more compassionate and affectionate. The reason I know they are not "fake tears" is because her eyes are bloodshot. When you cry real tears - especially ones of sadness - ones eyes always get bloodshot. The chemical consistency of "real" tears is different from "fake tears" and they make your eyes bloodshot. I'll try to explain. This is something all good director and acting teachers and coaches look for in actors. I learned it from Olivier. If an actor is doing an emotional scene and their eyes get bloodshot, then they are NOT pretending - they are pulling their emotion directly from an actual/like personal memory - which is very UNHEALTHY for the actor. The actor must get the emotion across without "hurting" himself emotionally. It's what "technique" is about. If an actor doesn't learn those skills - and a lot don't - they can easily turn to booze and drugs to kill the pain they are constantly reliving and feeling. It's all about pretending and using the "AS IF" factor. Don't know if I explained it correctly - but in any event - her tears were real. The question is "for what?" (Most good lawyers and investigators know this too.)
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Post by MyAdia on Jul 4, 2011 18:48:36 GMT -5
let's pat ourselves on the back, when we were harrasssed, ridiculed and attacked we knew what was coming. Thanks Myadia!!! we were the lone voice in the wilderness and the world is catching up to facts YEA I love your analysis Countess! I haven't had a chance to catch up with hardly any of the news and videos. It's hysterical that Sucker Albert thought that American news stations were going to broadcast this wedding over the July 4th weekend. We are right! Everything that we predicted is coming into fruition - and this is only the beginning. It's going to take the media a while to realize (or actually published what they already know to be the truth) just what a con artist the Princess of Monaco really is. Clearly, those proclaiming that she is being held against her will haven't taken a whiff of her wedding day Vogue interview and photo shoot. Over the next week or so, I'll post some more wedding stuff - I hope others will continue to. Posting the photos in this thread is really a core for me - because it is like reporting on a funeral and posting photos from it.
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Post by cm7007 on Jul 4, 2011 18:54:55 GMT -5
MiaDia - YOU ARE THE BEST!!!! Thank you, thank you, a thousand times thank you for starting this blog and doing SO much work! From the bottom of my heart - and I know the hearts of all of us, we deeply appreciate all your hard work and your efforts. Heaps of Hugs, xoxoxo CM_7007
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Post by blue j on Jul 4, 2011 19:13:32 GMT -5
As far as the video clip goes - I think her tears are real - what they are for is the question. He looks like he's saying something like "What are you crying about?" And he doesn't seem pleased at her display of emotion. No compassion at all for her or why she may be crying. But if they were tears of "happiness" he would know it and he would have been more compassionate and affectionate. The reason I know they are not "fake tears" is because her eyes are bloodshot. When you cry real tears - especially ones of sadness - ones eyes always get bloodshot. The chemical consistency of "real" tears is different from "fake tears" and they make your eyes bloodshot. I'll try to explain. This is something all good director and acting teachers and coaches look for in actors. I learned it from Olivier. If an actor is doing an emotional scene and their eyes get bloodshot, then they are NOT pretending - they are pulling their emotion directly from an actual/like personal memory - which is very UNHEALTHY for the actor. The actor must get the emotion across without "hurting" himself emotionally. It's what "technique" is about. If an actor doesn't learn those skills - and a lot don't - they can easily turn to booze and drugs to kill the pain they are constantly reliving and feeling. It's all about pretending and using the "AS IF" factor. Don't know if I explained it correctly - but in any event - her tears were real. The question is "for what?" (Most good lawyers and investigators know this too.) When I wrote that WC's tears were fake I didn't mean that she used something to get tears. I mean that she acted & she planned those tears beforehand. Some people can cry on demand & be very convincing. I'm reading a story of DSK. This accuser from New York has some credibility issues now; so it is said that she confessed to lying get her asylum 7 year ago; she received her asylum because she lied that she was gang raped in Guinea & years ago when she was lying about this gang rape she was crying during interview. So, I believe that WC could cry to pretend how emotional she was. She did it for TV, to pretend a real fairy tale story. This woman is a pathological liar & she tries hard to be a new Grace.
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Post by cm7007 on Jul 4, 2011 20:19:55 GMT -5
People can cry REAL FAKE TEARS. And they can cry on demand. I can. I mean it's where the real fake tears are coming from - emotionally - whether or not they are REAL FAKE TEARS or REAL TEARS. One's eyes will get red and bloodshot if the tears are coming from a sincere real emotion. CW's eyes were red and bloodshot. So her emotions were real - She probably was REALLY crying as a release from all the stress of everything she has had to go through to finally get where she is. And, YES! She's had to go through A LOT. Absolutely! It's just WHAT KIND OF A PERSON WOULD ALLOW THEMSELVES TO GO THROUGH ANY OF THE THINGS SHE WENT THROUGH JUST FOR A TITLE AND MONEY!? Only someone with NO SELF-ESTEEM or SELF WORTH.
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Post by grandduchess on Jul 4, 2011 22:33:57 GMT -5
MiaDia - YOU ARE THE BEST!!!! Thank you, thank you, a thousand times thank you for starting this blog and doing SO much work! From the bottom of my heart - and I know the hearts of all of us, we deeply appreciate all your hard work and your efforts. Heaps of Hugs, xoxoxo CM_7007 Absolutely
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Post by margarita on Jul 5, 2011 0:36:51 GMT -5
MiaDia - YOU ARE THE BEST!!!! Thank you, thank you, a thousand times thank you for starting this blog and doing SO much work! From the bottom of my heart - and I know the hearts of all of us, we deeply appreciate all your hard work and your efforts. Heaps of Hugs, xoxoxo CM_7007 Absolutely THANK YOU DANKESCHÖN BOLSCHOE SPASIBO MERCI !!!!
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Post by margarita on Jul 5, 2011 0:47:24 GMT -5
I too think these tears are real tears. But Albert had surely seen so many FAKE TEARS of Charlene during the past years that he now takes even the REAL tears for fake. And who knows how many fake tears it took her to bring Albert into this situation: marry her and take her to St. Devote? Now she's got what she wanted and realizes that is doesn't make her that happy - and he realized what con-artist he was marrying (because he clearly looks very unhappy) and is like: HEJ ! I never wanted to get married - I did it for you and because someone told me it would boost Monaco's image and economy. I see it didn't boost Monaco - I still don't feel like a husband and YOU cry!?!?!?!? STOP IT NOW. (Maybe Albert read our "Is Charlene a victim" thread? : In a way I feel sorry for her but on the other hand ... someone said "think twice what wish you make - because wishes might come true".
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Post by margarita on Jul 5, 2011 1:23:03 GMT -5
Wow, that was the most akward dance ever...God, they can't do anything well! Okay so the following is pure speculation on my part, but: 1) I'm thinking with how blown up her lips were a few weeks ago, and that they looked deflated and uneven last week, that she had another shot in the lips sometime this week, if she did, I'm guessing she was probably in agony everytime he kissed her and that may be part of what you're seeing -for instance the blow by blow analysis one news outlet did of the kiss was that she was initially eager but then she hunches her shoulders up- she's could be doing that so as not to wince in pain. Likewise that would explain him kissing her chin and pulling back from her, not a great plan to do the lip thing right before wedding in any event-whose bright idea was that? The open eyes thing I have no idea what that is about with Albert... 2) I honestly think, all the internet forums are reading WAY too much into the facial expressions during the cermony given the conditions. If you had seen that in air condition -okay sure interpret that negatively but Monaco's outside temperature was what- in the 80's, 90's that day? Under that oven, I mean TENT, with all those people it, not to mention all the electrical equipment blowing hot air out of their housings, and it had to be in the neighboorhood of 90- 100's with really high humidity. You're easily looking at a heat index I'm guessing of around 100-110. And everyone was sitting in there in formal dress. Sarkosy and PA from their faces looked like they were in the beggining stages of heat exhaustion and right around the time when when Papa Wittstock started sweating bullets- PA and Sarkosy suspiciously STOPPED sweating - which may have indicated they were heading toward heat stroke. That is about the time all of the sudden when Charlene started looking "sad". She's sitting there in how many freaking crenilines under that dress? She probably had more layers on her than anyone else at the wedding. What many people interpreted as sad looked to me like the wilting people do when they are dangerously overheated, her shoulders slumped and she got glassy eyed and stared off into space and kinda became non-responsive- I honestly think that the most likely explanation was that the poor girl was probably suffering from heat exhaustion and trying not to faint. It's just really unfortunate that that happened with a background of the runaway bride stories, if that was a pr stunt, it REALLY blew up for that reason. When there was something going on- for instance vows or rings etc, I don't know what anyone else saw, but I saw genuine affection toward her on PA's face. 2) There have been past photos with Albert with Tasha or another old date where he is swing dancing and clearly cutting a rug. I swing dance myself and it's not anywhere as easy as it looks, you have to be very coordinated and light on your feet and move very fast. He always dances like that with Charlene, I think maybe she can't move fast/far in high heels. (Hmmm if her ankle is still weak from the "injury" and she's in stilletos I can see her not wanting to push her luck with it) Or perhaps it makes for better still photos. Just some thoughts Temporary - welcome! And thanks for the long analyze Well ... I'm totally with you when it comes to the temperatures:I hate heat, my nose gets red and I become tired when its too hot and now wind. Thats why I prefer snow. So I really regret people who had to sit and wait all these hours and sure - Charlene who walked in last did suffer for all those layers she put on herself. But ... unlike most of the other people in the courtyard Charlene comes from South Africa - she knows heat and her reaction on heat. Quite sure she did rehersals for her big day and posed for hours to make sure she comes across like an emotional beautiful Princess. So if it was really the heat she would have felt that effect and changed something - get additional air condition or whatever. They spend 70 Mio. to make her feel and look well - why not doing something against the heat? Charlene agreed to marry a man who obviously does't love her and faces two ! paternity tests, just a minute ago she told VOGUE what a happy bride she is and walks in with a father she barely had contact with since many years and bridal maids she barely knows ... THATS for me the main explanation. So IMO The heat was just on top. And for the dance: When you dance Swing you know that it takes two for tango I have seen videos with Albert dancing. Ohhh yes ... he can dance and he likes it - he feels music and his body. (Believe me: I had dancing classes for many years in ballet, modern dance, folk dance (Polish and Irish), flamenco, tango argentino and some ballroom dance... When I don't feel like cleaning the house I switch on music and dance while cleaning ... sometimes that's the only way to convince myself to do it It takes two seconds for me to see who "has it in the venes" : Albert has it - AND he is able to interact with a partner - at least on the floor.) I have seen a video with Charlene dancing - I don't remember the occasion, there was Latin music and a latin dancer took her on the stage to dance with her - some simple steps easy to master - but she was stiff like wood, impossible to interact with and couldn't feel the music at all ... LATIN music that wakes you from coma and makes feets dance even you never learned the steps!!! That was the day I wondered how these two can interact physically.... and not only physically but at all. This seems all so staged and to me it speaks volumes that they can't dance together.
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Post by cm7007 on Jul 5, 2011 3:05:51 GMT -5
You're right Margarita, she is a lousy dancer! I've seen her - she can't even dance to rock well - which is pretty whatever a person whats to do! Something else she could have done while "waiting" to be married all these years. She could have taken dancing lessons.Maybe she wouldn't have even been great, but she sure would have gotten better.
Did anyone ever see an athlete cry after finishing a race - and WINNING! I think I remember a couple of skiers crying at the last Olympics after they won, and I even think I f remember Michael Phelps did as well (not positive though). Anyway, IMO, those are the kind of tears we saw coming from Charlene. They had nothing to do with love and romance!
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Post by margarita on Jul 5, 2011 3:19:11 GMT -5
You're right Margarita, she is a lousy dancer! I've seen her - she can't even dance to rock well - which is pretty whatever a person whats to do! Something else she could have done while "waiting" to be married all these years. She could have taken dancing lessons.Maybe she wouldn't have even been great, but she sure would have gotten better. CM - 100% agree and ... sorry, I was maybe to demanding writing she could have made a bachelor in anything. Yes, you're right - to learn French just to be able to communicate and to learn how to dance ! I'm not kidding ! would have been wonderful...
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Post by paca on Jul 5, 2011 3:40:52 GMT -5
with regards to the temperature, yes it was hot, but not as hot as previous days as there was no sun out on the wedding day and has not been since. Yes it was humid, but it is always humid here in summer. This wedding has been planned a year ahead. THEY chose the date and the WANTED a summer wedding. I am sorry ALbert was raised in MC and trashy has bludged here for a number of years. They know what our summers are like. Admittedly this one is a tad warmer then the past 2, but it still is a long way from 2003. They should have known that putting a tent on top would make things worse. and that with the lights, the cameras etc there would be additional heat was to be expected too. With modern technology you can do sth about this though. Not mentioning that I am almost certain that they had vents hidden in all sorts of places, if only to make sure that none of their appliances would overheat.
In any case they had this wedding made for TV and they know that summer is the warm season at the COte (unless you want to use trashys stupidity as an excuse and claim that because she comes from SA she thinks it's winter). Also hurting lips as an excuse for an awkward kiss? Well how do you explain her disgust then in church? Is that because she realized that Albert ate a pound of garlic ahead of getting married? And sorry the ankle as an excuse after how many years for not being able to dance? Hello? I hear my Alzheimer stricken grandma talking. She complained for years about an injury that had many years before, which had healed well and was not giving her any trouble unless when asked how she was. Her response became a running joke in my family as everyone knew she was fine. And the shoes as an excuse? Really you are trying hard, but if I can't walk on my wedding shoes, then I take a different pair. A friend of mine had her shoes made specifically for that day so she would be comfortable and look good.
If everyone did not look good during the wedding, it is in every single way their own fault. If as a host you do not think about the comfort of your guests then you are a bad host and only have yourself to blame.
And just for info Sarkozy is spelled with a Z like Zorro. It's a Hungarian name. Normally he would have to add 2 dots over the o for a correct spelling.
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Post by duchesscornflower on Jul 5, 2011 3:44:12 GMT -5
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