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Post by agentf on Jul 22, 2021 12:07:29 GMT -5
God forbid a man should want to reunite children with their mother...🤨 instead of showing them to the world without securing the edge of which they could roll off, of the couch they're laying on. 😠I digress... This is why I think CC, on top of complaining of raising twins, is not feeling totally connected to them yet or she'd shun the idea of being separated that long. he could have dropped off the kids in SA too. Even if they have to quarantine, their mother could join them. Nothing against staying with their uncle and cousins, but if they see more of them then their mother.... as to Gareth, he is living off ALbert anyways. His job is to be there at his beck and call. But in this case I think he got into the pick for PR reasons. As if him standing there in Albert's old suit and his wife in some borrowed dress would mean that there is no divorce. I do believe her own statements about her health issues, but that does not exclude divorce. A caring husband would have made more of an effort either to be there with her or to get her home with him. For the kids and to avoid all this negative PR it would have been better to get her home to MC. She could still cop out of engagements for health reasons, but at least she could be with her kids. A few years from now the kids will want distance to their parents, but at this age they crave their parents.
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Post by paca on Jul 22, 2021 14:22:42 GMT -5
well, 6 years is quite some time to not feel connected. Then again, she knew from the beginning that she would never be able to take them with her, should she want to leave. So maybe, to protect herself, she refused to connect. In the olden days with high child mortality, parents did not connect that closely with their children, because out of a dozen often only 1 or 2 survived. Those who did, often broke. And we all know that in those days psychological treatment was mostly not available and often brutal and unhelpful. Also, although she could try and fight, the harm for the children to be fought over might be greater. So maybe she chose not to connect that closely to protect the kids and herself. Then again for the benefit of the children Albert could modernize his act too. He does not go out of his way much for her or his children. Granted that he does have obligations, but surely at a time like this, he could easily delegate matters. And maybe it is time to pass a few things on to other family members. The IOC could easily be handled by Pierre, who is a sportsmen as well. Or maybe Charlotte. He isn't getting any younger, but he has young children to raise and a marriage to save. Maybe it is time to sort out priorities and see what others can do. Caro is still there and has plenty of expertise. As an empty nester and single woman, she might appreciate being useful...
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Post by paca on Aug 20, 2021 18:29:01 GMT -5
Apparently Albert spent some holiday time with the kids on Corsica instead of travelling to SA. I have not seen them, but Bunte reports that there were pics of him on jet ski, when news about his wifes operation was announced. Bunte has a video up where they are discussing the oddities of this situation. The guy is btw her superfan who talked about her cashmir sweater.... He seems to be less of a fan now and more bewildered by both of them.
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Post by paca on Aug 20, 2021 18:41:59 GMT -5
Well, looks like daddy got a new toy that needed to be tried out. A yacht called GabJaq (which is a stupid name and he stole it from Caro and her late husband). That is of course more important than being with your supposedly sick wife. How about taking that hydrogen driven yacht to go and take her home.https://www.tgcom24.mediaset.it/people/il-principe-alberto-di-monaco-mammo-perfetto-con-i-gemelli_36715535-202102k.shtml And btw he desperately needs to lose weight. What she lost in weight, he seems to have gained and thensome.
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Post by axelle on Aug 21, 2021 6:55:31 GMT -5
Yeah he has moved on for sure! Getting really clear now. He looks awful! Pregnant with triplets?
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Post by paca on Aug 21, 2021 8:40:18 GMT -5
Has he ever moved in? I mean seriously, he always behaved like that. Doing the things he liked, when he liked them. Now the kids are big enough to join him in some. I bet he is just waiting for them to be old enough to go out partying. He'll be the sleezy grandpa dad, that hits on his sons girlfriends.... I don't necessarily see this as a sign for a seperation. They always lived seperate lives. It just shows, that his priorities are not his wife and never have been. Which IMO has always been a problem. With all of his relationships. There is one thing to be busy and away, but you need to be there 100% for the important bits. He should have been in the wake up room and be there before she went in. If he cared an inch about her, he would have done it, pandemic or not. Sadly he wouldn't have done it 10 or 15 years ago neither. Remember where he was when his father was dying? Skiing for charity in Gröden. Maybe if his kids were hospitalized, he would act differently, but I am not sure if his feelings towards anyone run that deep.
And if you look closely, you will see the 2 philipino nannies which they seem to have had all their lives. Let's face it, those are their real parents, doing the real parenting job. Seriously, 2 nannies. Will and Kate have 1 for 3 children and even the queen and her sister only had one. Makes you wonder why he had kids to begin with.
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Post by agentf on Aug 21, 2021 10:43:16 GMT -5
Kate didn't have twins though... Albert should tell his old pal Putin that you have to have values first then try or not to impose them - something that doesn't seem to hinder Putin at all when imposing something. Has he ever moved in? I mean seriously, he always behaved like that. Doing the things he liked, when he liked them. Now the kids are big enough to join him in some. I bet he is just waiting for them to be old enough to go out partying. He'll be the sleezy grandpa dad, that hits on his sons girlfriends.... I don't necessarily see this as a sign for a seperation. They always lived seperate lives. It just shows, that his priorities are not his wife and never have been. Which IMO has always been a problem. With all of his relationships. There is one thing to be busy and away, but you need to be there 100% for the important bits. He should have been in the wake up room and be there before she went in. If he cared an inch about her, he would have done it, pandemic or not. Sadly he wouldn't have done it 10 or 15 years ago neither. Remember where he was when his father was dying? Skiing for charity in Gröden. Maybe if his kids were hospitalized, he would act differently, but I am not sure if his feelings towards anyone run that deep. And if you look closely, you will see the 2 philipino nannies which they seem to have had all their lives. Let's face it, those are their real parents, doing the real parenting job. Seriously, 2 nannies. Will and Kate have 1 for 3 children and even the queen and her sister only had one. Makes you wonder why he had kids to begin with.
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Post by paca on Aug 21, 2021 11:17:29 GMT -5
Yeah but she has 3 kids now, so following your reasoning she would have to have 3 nannies now, which she doesn't. Instead she has one professionally trained one and is atually doing her job as a royal too. So she could actually double up nanny wise. But I have to say that it is not unusual in MC for a kid to have 3 nannies as they work 24/7. Some kids are raised by their nannies in cheaper Beausoleil and are met by their mothers half way on the school run, to keep up appearances. When you overhear preschoolers discussing their nannies and how to best get rid of them on the playground, or comparing numbers of nannies in the family or how many they have had in their short live, then it gets clear that in MC kids are status symbols. As is the 2nd or 3rd yacht. Or the granddad dads with their 2nd or 3rd families. All of them pretty selfish IMO.
Not sure how Putin got into the debate though.
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Post by agentf on Aug 21, 2021 12:30:31 GMT -5
Sorry, that was my gratuitous aside after reading a headline where suddenly Putin is the authority on other people's values although he's himself missing that scale. Kate does a very good job, and I too am amazed how much she takes on at home but she had a family-oriented upbringing, to her credit, so not surprising she's a supermom. Good of her. Actually, you have to laugh at these parents for the peanut gallery, if it weren't so tragic for the children, but some people do condition their children to be impervious to love. They're also usually into "survival of the fittest" stuff. Yeah but she has 3 kids now, so following your reasoning she would have to have 3 nannies now, which she doesn't. Instead she has one professionally trained one and is atually doing her job as a royal too. So she could actually double up nanny wise. But I have to say that it is not unusual in MC for a kid to have 3 nannies as they work 24/7. Some kids are raised by their nannies in cheaper Beausoleil and are met by their mothers half way on the school run, to keep up appearances. When you overhear preschoolers discussing their nannies and how to best get rid of them on the playground, or comparing numbers of nannies in the family or how many they have had in their short live, then it gets clear that in MC kids are status symbols. As is the 2nd or 3rd yacht. Or the granddad dads with their 2nd or 3rd families. All of them pretty selfish IMO. Not sure how Putin got into the debate though.
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Post by axelle on Aug 21, 2021 13:43:25 GMT -5
Has he ever moved in? I mean seriously, he always behaved like that. Doing the things he liked, when he liked them. Now the kids are big enough to join him in some. I bet he is just waiting for them to be old enough to go out partying. He'll be the sleezy grandpa dad, that hits on his sons girlfriends.... I don't necessarily see this as a sign for a seperation. They always lived seperate lives. It just shows, that his priorities are not his wife and never have been. Which IMO has always been a problem. With all of his relationships. There is one thing to be busy and away, but you need to be there 100% for the important bits. He should have been in the wake up room and be there before she went in. If he cared an inch about her, he would have done it, pandemic or not. Sadly he wouldn't have done it 10 or 15 years ago neither. Remember where he was when his father was dying? Skiing for charity in Gröden. Maybe if his kids were hospitalized, he would act differently, but I am not sure if his feelings towards anyone run that deep. And if you look closely, you will see the 2 philipino nannies which they seem to have had all their lives. Let's face it, those are their real parents, doing the real parenting job. Seriously, 2 nannies. Will and Kate have 1 for 3 children and even the queen and her sister only had one. Makes you wonder why he had kids to begin with. You're right! I think once Eringer said he was incapable of loving someone, very self-centered. I do remember when he was skiing when his father was sick. I noticed the two women too that are there for the children. Good that they have been consistent. As a little kid I would have been freaked out if one of my parents were away for over one night. Well they picked someone to give him legitimate heirs to take care of that. It also kind of grieves me that he does do things with these kids and the other two children that we see didn't have him around growing up.
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Post by paca on Aug 21, 2021 14:03:55 GMT -5
Sorry, that was my gratuitous aside after reading a headline where suddenly Putin is the authority on other people's values although he's himself missing that scale. Kate does a very good job, and I too am amazed how much she takes on at home but she had a family-oriented upbringing, to her credit, so not surprising she's a supermom. Good of her. Actually, you have to laugh at these parents for the peanut gallery, if it weren't so tragic for the children, but some people do condition their children to be impervious to love. They're also usually into "survival of the fittest" stuff. Well, to his credit Will seems to betaking on his share as well, so I wouldn't call them super parents, just parents. With professional help. Given that many regular parents rely on grand parents and others to help out, I am not begrudging them their professional nanny. Not like you would pop around to Windsor to ask granny to babysit. And a professionally trained nanny is a good choice. My experience with Philipino nannies in MC is though that they are mostly untrained. Its either cleaning or nanny... Not judging these 2, but I remember one Philipino nanny in MC being really mean to the child she was looking after. I do regret not having intervened and gotten her fired. The boy wasn't well behaved, but he surely didn't deserve her treatment. I used to call those (mostly British) rich people childabusers on a very high level. It doesn't surprise me that many of these kids end up as addicts. How could they not. They get all sorts of expensive things thrown at them, but they are not properly cared for IMO. That is wh I keep saying, why did he bother with kids and wife? He pays people to raise them and his wife gets his money instead of proper care and support. I have seen both Caro and Steph as mothers and they were both very hands on. And with Caro you can see it with her grandkids as well with some pics with Alberts kids. So I don't get why he is so void of any normal behaviour.
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Post by agentf on Aug 22, 2021 2:55:37 GMT -5
Taking a break from Tony Blair's hysterical escalier comments displaying how he knows nothing of getting people to safety first then deciding. Go sleep with Wendy Chong, that's how misguided that guy is. Values. 🙄
Ok, that was another gratuitous aside. Philippinas I've known were good Christians on the whole, super attentive and mostly all fast-tracked through customs by people such as by a former acquaintance's girlfriend who would charter a plane from Toronto and pick up a batch to come work for very cheap. You didn't need to educate them on not bleaching wooden floors, for example. They knew their stuff.
In the Middle East, they're fantastic at customer service. They're charming and amiable and their tone, melodic. I haven't experienced them as nannies personally. My wishful help has usually taken the form of a Michael Caine lookalike butler like in Batman. A little caustic, a little mushy and ahead of you all the time. Sigh. I miss my mom right now, I don't know why.
Albert is better with his children now because he's probably almost grandfather's age and in my experience, parents improve as grandparents.
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Post by axelle on Aug 22, 2021 11:41:33 GMT -5
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Post by paca on Aug 22, 2021 14:09:05 GMT -5
If I remember correctly there are supposed to be 10 videos, one for each year and it was supposedly her idea. I won't even bother to watch. Not enough sickbuckets around. They just want to force feed us their coolaid, just as they did 10 years ago. No one believed it then and even less now. If it was a love story, Albert would have spent time with her in hospital and not on his new toy. If it was a love story, people would have seen it. There would be no need for 10 videos or a 2 year interview rodeo to sell it to begin with. It just shows that these 2 have no idea about love. they don't have what Victoria and daniel have or Maxima and willem etc. Or look at Mette marit and Haakon. She has battled health issues and he was there by her side all the time. There are no doubts about how they feel about each other. And he raised her child as his own and the natural dad was involved too. Thats how it is done in a modern monarchy where women are not just considered vessels to produce heirs, but instead partners to withstand the challenges of life together. Albert wants to be modern but acts like it was still 1950. And even then there were men aroung who treated their wives better then he does.
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Post by agentf on Aug 22, 2021 15:22:11 GMT -5
You know, I don't know why he simply didn't fake a relationship and have babies by surrogate. He would have saved a lot of money apparently.
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Post by axelle on Aug 22, 2021 15:41:15 GMT -5
I agree with you both - 10 videos - overkill! Not enough buckets indeed!! Yes I am fed up with the farce too. This has been a sham all along. Enough already!!
The other people you mentioned Paca seem like real relationships. When they stayed in separate hotels on their honeymoon the writing was on the wall.
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Post by paca on Aug 22, 2021 15:46:49 GMT -5
It all just makes his decades long claiming that he was waiting for the right person ridiculous. He could have had kids at 30 with anyone. And not have his own grandkids with a bimbo. And charlene is nothing other than a surrogate. Given how much time they spent under the same roof at the time of her supposed conception? And not forget that before she got pregnant she visited a fertility congress in MC. It has never been confirmed, but IMO the kids are due to IVF. Hence the twins. In MC are a lot of twins, mostly due to IVF because there are enough rich people who can efford it. Anyways around that time Charlene was also a lot in SA. I think she has most her medical stuff done there. Not sure what beauty ideal those surgeons are working with though...
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Post by agentf on Aug 24, 2021 11:33:18 GMT -5
It goes to show you that smart people can delude themselves just like the next guy or girl who gets ridiculed for being overly sentimental or romantic. Everyone wants to play the odds until something clicks. You can't mortgage the future and continue meanwhile with bad habits though, as if a relationship is like a lottery. Either assert yourself as a romantic or idealist but be true, or jump in and work at relationships. There's not just one formula. You love or you don't. I'm going to make a gratuitous aside now. If Talibans think conservatives when they get back to power won't renegue on promises made, I have some swampland to sell them in Florida. Yeah, dig Biden's political grave by not playing ball and republicans will be back to invade you and take without asking next time, because you'll all be in bed. Do everyone a favour and skip a step, and make good now by being kind to fellow Afghans. You'll reap better profits sooner, by less fighting. That was my 2 cents worth. It all just makes his decades long claiming that he was waiting for the right person ridiculous. He could have had kids at 30 with anyone. And not have his own grandkids with a bimbo. And charlene is nothing other than a surrogate. Given how much time they spent under the same roof at the time of her supposed conception? And not forget that before she got pregnant she visited a fertility congress in MC. It has never been confirmed, but IMO the kids are due to IVF. Hence the twins. In MC are a lot of twins, mostly due to IVF because there are enough rich people who can efford it. Anyways around that time Charlene was also a lot in SA. I think she has most her medical stuff done there. Not sure what beauty ideal those surgeons are working with though...
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Post by paca on Aug 24, 2021 13:18:41 GMT -5
Sadly I think that no one will enter to help. The Taliban will be taliban. They will do what they did. It is without point to negotiate with them. They are the abusive boyfriend. And it is silly to act like the abused girlfriend. Foreign occupation and meddling has only resulted in making things worse. It corroded the peoples sense of selfworth. It allowed corruption to invade into every aspect of peoples lives. Has hard as it is to watch, but we need to stay out of this. Yes, get those most vulnerable, our helpers and their families out. Help their children to a future, give them an education and jobs. Maybe by the time they have grown up, things have calmed and they can return and rebuild, if they wish, but right now we will need to stay away and thus allow Afghans to develop a sense of what kind of country they want to live in and fight for. The taliban will not be able to rule a country that does not want them. For now they can scare people. But then we have seen that certain death is less feared then what they stand for. Eventually they will turn against the taliban out of their own volition. You can not rule a people, that doesn't want to be ruled by you. Afghans have to come to that conclusion and then hurt the taliban where they can. Previously their money came from opium trade. You don't need weapons to deprive them of that income. Just petrol and a lighter. They are not enough to guard the fields and at the same time terrorise the population. And if the population stands in union against them, they can be fought. But first they need to be clear what they are fighting for. My grandparents fought the Nazis from within, each in their own way (well except for my maternal gran, who was uneducated). None of them were essential to their fall, but they were sand in the machinery. And those small grains can do a lot of damage. The fact that they need to be dealt with, is already weakening. And enough grains will eventually destroy the machinery.
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Post by agentf on Aug 24, 2021 15:52:59 GMT -5
There needs to be an overarching system that allows for different types of polities to harmonize their domestic politics with a standard across the board globally - and some will rightly say there is already one - but one that produces less inequality. Sure, not everyone can be on "top" but the top has to be abandoned in favour of lifting as many people up. Someone broke down the trillions in aid to say each Afghan would have been a millionaire judging by what was spent!? So how do people still get it so wrong??? We can't keep doing this. Sadly I think that no one will enter to help. The Taliban will be taliban. They will do what they did. It is without point to negotiate with them. They are the abusive boyfriend. And it is silly to act like the abused girlfriend. Foreign occupation and meddling has only resulted in making things worse. It corroded the peoples sense of selfworth. It allowed corruption to invade into every aspect of peoples lives. Has hard as it is to watch, but we need to stay out of this. Yes, get those most vulnerable, our helpers and their families out. Help their children to a future, give them an education and jobs. Maybe by the time they have grown up, things have calmed and they can return and rebuild, if they wish, but right now we will need to stay away and thus allow Afghans to develop a sense of what kind of country they want to live in and fight for. The taliban will not be able to rule a country that does not want them. For now they can scare people. But then we have seen that certain death is less feared then what they stand for. Eventually they will turn against the taliban out of their own volition. You can not rule a people, that doesn't want to be ruled by you. Afghans have to come to that conclusion and then hurt the taliban where they can. Previously their money came from opium trade. You don't need weapons to deprive them of that income. Just petrol and a lighter. They are not enough to guard the fields and at the same time terrorise the population. And if the population stands in union against them, they can be fought. But first they need to be clear what they are fighting for. My grandparents fought the Nazis from within, each in their own way (well except for my maternal gran, who was uneducated). None of them were essential to their fall, but they were sand in the machinery. And those small grains can do a lot of damage. The fact that they need to be dealt with, is already weakening. And enough grains will eventually destroy the machinery.
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