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Post by axelle on Aug 4, 2021 19:36:18 GMT -5
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Post by paca on Aug 5, 2021 3:20:53 GMT -5
Yeah, I saw that too, but couldn't be bothered to post it. Such nonsense. Apparently DM has not heard about using filters. Obviously her team wants her to look her best, which IMO is a fail as her moving face is just a nightmare to watch. The paps don't, so she looks worse. Anyways this just seems to be a war over the PR narrative and her team is starting to lose the more they are trying. Just like in the beginning of her marriage. 2 years of interviews about the marriage being real, after the wedding no one wanted to see. To be honest, she would probably be liked more in MC, if she would bring in some business. And I don't mean the kind of corruption her family practices (her bro wouldn't have that location for a bad and expensive burger joint if he were a normal guy, especially since stars and bars, just by the looks of the food, is doing the same thing just better,cheaper- as in prize per portion size and quality of food- and they have been doing it successfully for 40 years and they are constantly changing and adapting, but at the essence remaining the same, which takes hard work and not that outdated macho attitude of Gareth and his joint)
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Post by agentf on Aug 5, 2021 4:44:04 GMT -5
So........if this scam was caught at the end of 2020.....when exactly did she leave Monaco??? ๐ณ๐ Just kidding. South Africa is not a non-extradition country. Though with that haircut ๐คจ๐ too bad they are not naming names, but the Malta thing was published in July 2020, he hasn't been active on IG since October 2020, so he could be involved. Especially since he claimed to be a specialist on crypto currency. Interestingly he also works as an author for MC today as does his wife. And there is an interview with MC today with him. It looks to me like he was running his scam mainly from MC. The Malta thing was published on some offshore site, so I guess that got people alerted to his activities. Anyways, if people would have looked at his IG profile, they would have been suspicious from the start. The guy is a vain poser and IMO his wife is involved as well. There some dutch articles about him to which I do not have access, but it seems that he is a Russian immigrant. And those articles seem to be sceptic about his supposed wealth. Anyways there is also talk of money laundering in your link, which fits well with MC and Malta. And I do remember reading sth with money laundering in connection with her family and SA. Wouldn't be surprised if her foundation was involved through her bro and that's why it is merged with Alberts. I am sure they will try to keep her family out of it as much as possible. But her dad had some links to the criminal part of the Mandela clan in connection with his attempts as a boxing promoter. Briefly after that he went back to live in SA. Don't remember her parents being back to MC. Which reminds me that granny and grandpa could have gone and been with the kids while their daughter and son in law aren't home.
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Post by axelle on Aug 5, 2021 6:56:49 GMT -5
Yeah, I saw that too, but couldn't be bothered to post it. Such nonsense. Apparently DM has not heard about using filters. Obviously her team wants her to look her best, which IMO is a fail as her moving face is just a nightmare to watch. The paps don't, so she looks worse. Anyways this just seems to be a war over the PR narrative and her team is starting to lose the more they are trying. Just like in the beginning of her marriage. 2 years of interviews about the marriage being real, after the wedding no one wanted to see. To be honest, she would probably be liked more in MC, if she would bring in some business. And I don't mean the kind of corruption her family practices (her bro wouldn't have that location for a bad and expensive burger joint if he were a normal guy, especially since stars and bars, just by the looks of the food, is doing the same thing just better,cheaper- as in prize per portion size and quality of food- and they have been doing it successfully for 40 years and they are constantly changing and adapting, but at the essence remaining the same, which takes hard work and not that outdated macho attitude of Gareth and his joint) I am actually amazed at the lengths they will go to sell the PR kool aid still. So very lame!! Paca I agree with you. I was wondering how GW's place would stack up against Stars N Bars. Kind of crazy since that is PA's friend's place. Why have the bro-in-law open a competitor? And why does MC Buns remind me of a strip joint instead of a burger joint?
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Post by axelle on Aug 5, 2021 6:59:06 GMT -5
So........if this scam was caught at the end of 2020.....when exactly did she leave Monaco??? ๐ณ๐ Just kidding. South Africa is not a non-extradition country. Though with that haircut ๐คจ๐ too bad they are not naming names, but the Malta thing was published in July 2020, he hasn't been active on IG since October 2020, so he could be involved. Especially since he claimed to be a specialist on crypto currency. Interestingly he also works as an author for MC today as does his wife. And there is an interview with MC today with him. It looks to me like he was running his scam mainly from MC. The Malta thing was published on some offshore site, so I guess that got people alerted to his activities. Anyways, if people would have looked at his IG profile, they would have been suspicious from the start. The guy is a vain poser and IMO his wife is involved as well. There some dutch articles about him to which I do not have access, but it seems that he is a Russian immigrant. And those articles seem to be sceptic about his supposed wealth. Anyways there is also talk of money laundering in your link, which fits well with MC and Malta. And I do remember reading sth with money laundering in connection with her family and SA. Wouldn't be surprised if her foundation was involved through her bro and that's why it is merged with Alberts. I am sure they will try to keep her family out of it as much as possible. But her dad had some links to the criminal part of the Mandela clan in connection with his attempts as a boxing promoter. Briefly after that he went back to live in SA. Don't remember her parents being back to MC. Which reminds me that granny and grandpa could have gone and been with the kids while their daughter and son in law aren't home. Good call! Didn't her parents split up and sell the house they had there?
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Post by paca on Aug 5, 2021 8:48:09 GMT -5
Not sure if the parents split up, but I doubt that they were able to buy anything with their own money. Even in La Turbie. It was either rented or bought with PAs money. So if they went back, that would have been their own place in SA. Anyways, just looked up Gareth business in the journal de Monaco. Apparently he started out with money from the Pastors. Guildo Pallanca Pastor (son of the murdered Pastor) owns the brasserie de Monaco, who held 49 % of the shares. The business was run by Richard Borfiga. Gareth and his wife received 49% in 2016 and the place was renamed MC Buns. Before it was named son of a bun. That's also when Gareth started to actually run the place journaldemonaco.gouv.mc/en/Journaux/2016/Journal-8302/EXPLORER-S-Societe-a-Responsabilite-Limitee-au-capital-de-15.000-euros-Siege-social-Darse-Sud-du-Port-30-route-de-la-Piscine-quai-Albert-1er-Monaco-CESSION-DE-PARTS-SOCIALEs-CHANGEMENT-DE-GERANT-MODIFICATION-de-L-ENSEIGNE Interestingly I did not find a document that states the foundation of the company as son of a bun. Normally there should be a record on who owns it and who runs it. Whenever there is a change in management or ownership, it has to be recorded. So this is very dodgy as the records only start in 2016, but apparently by then Gareth and his wife already owned 51% of the business. In 2019 Gareth sold his shares to a company called camelot holding, His wife sold hers to Marco di giusto, who is now running the place under the name temakinho Monte Carlo journaldemonaco.gouv.mc/en/Journaux/2019/Journal-8438/EXPLORER-S-Societe-a-Responsabilite-Limitee-au-capital-de-15.000-euros-Siege-social-Darse-sud-du-Port-30-route-de-la-Piscine-Quai-Albert-1er-Monaco-CESSIONS-DE-PARTS-SOCIALES-CHANGEMENT-DE-GERANT-CHANGEMENT-DE-DENOMINATION-SOCIALECamelot holdings is located in Udine and listed with sport management, but also technical consulting. So not really sure what they are doing. Since their take over there has been a frequent change of management. A name of establishment is not listed, just the address. Here is sth about Marco di Giusta. www.foodserviceweb.it/2018/04/10/intervista-a-marco-di-giusto-ad-di-cigierre/And btw the brasserie of Monaco has been shut for 7 days du to repeated violation of covid restrictions. Not sure if anyone knew, but Gareth has been made officer of the Grimaldi order in 2015 journaldemonaco.gouv.mc/en/Journaux/2015/Journal-8225/Ordonnance-Souveraine-n-5.309-du-10-mai-2015-portant-nominations-dans-l-Ordre-des-Grimaldiand both brothers received some medal for their "volunteer" work for the princess charlene foundation.
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Post by axelle on Aug 5, 2021 16:31:20 GMT -5
Not sure if the parents split up, but I doubt that they were able to buy anything with their own money. Even in La Turbie. It was either rented or bought with PAs money. So if they went back, that would have been their own place in SA. Anyways, just looked up Gareth business in the journal de Monaco. Apparently he started out with money from the Pastors. Guildo Pallanca Pastor (son of the murdered Pastor) owns the brasserie de Monaco, who held 49 % of the shares. The business was run by Richard Borfiga. Gareth and his wife received 49% in 2016 and the place was renamed MC Buns. Before it was named son of a bun. That's also when Gareth started to actually run the place journaldemonaco.gouv.mc/en/Journaux/2016/Journal-8302/EXPLORER-S-Societe-a-Responsabilite-Limitee-au-capital-de-15.000-euros-Siege-social-Darse-Sud-du-Port-30-route-de-la-Piscine-quai-Albert-1er-Monaco-CESSION-DE-PARTS-SOCIALEs-CHANGEMENT-DE-GERANT-MODIFICATION-de-L-ENSEIGNE Interestingly I did not find a document that states the foundation of the company as son of a bun. Normally there should be a record on who owns it and who runs it. Whenever there is a change in management or ownership, it has to be recorded. So this is very dodgy as the records only start in 2016, but apparently by then Gareth and his wife already owned 51% of the business. In 2019 Gareth sold his shares to a company called camelot holding, His wife sold hers to Marco di giusto, who is now running the place under the name temakinho Monte Carlo journaldemonaco.gouv.mc/en/Journaux/2019/Journal-8438/EXPLORER-S-Societe-a-Responsabilite-Limitee-au-capital-de-15.000-euros-Siege-social-Darse-sud-du-Port-30-route-de-la-Piscine-Quai-Albert-1er-Monaco-CESSIONS-DE-PARTS-SOCIALES-CHANGEMENT-DE-GERANT-CHANGEMENT-DE-DENOMINATION-SOCIALECamelot holdings is located in Udine and listed with sport management, but also technical consulting. So not really sure what they are doing. Since their take over there has been a frequent change of management. A name of establishment is not listed, just the address. Here is sth about Marco di Giusta. www.foodserviceweb.it/2018/04/10/intervista-a-marco-di-giusto-ad-di-cigierre/And btw the brasserie of Monaco has been shut for 7 days du to repeated violation of covid restrictions. Not sure if anyone knew, but Gareth has been made officer of the Grimaldi order in 2015 journaldemonaco.gouv.mc/en/Journaux/2015/Journal-8225/Ordonnance-Souveraine-n-5.309-du-10-mai-2015-portant-nominations-dans-l-Ordre-des-Grimaldiand both brothers received some medal for their "volunteer" work for the princess charlene foundation. Great job that is very detailed thank you for hunting all that up! Does MC Buns still even exist? I can't find any online presence. I am sure the parents bought their place with PA's money or it was gifted. Might have been in La Turbie I don't recall.
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Post by paca on Aug 5, 2021 18:36:32 GMT -5
You're welcome. No MC buns was sold and is now a Japanese-Brazilian fusion place owned and run by an Italian food chain. But it is owned by a different company. Not sure if he is behind that company too and does this for tax purposes. So basically Gareth doesn't have a proper job again. Since the business was sold sometime between January and June 2019 and the pandemic started not long after that, I don't think he started anything new in MC, at least no restaurant. He had one of the best location in MC. Giving that up after such a short time, means he didn't do well, which IMO is difficult given the prices they charged and the fact that the port has always been a tourist trap. I saw that there are now quite a few locations up for take over. Business must have been terrible. There is a reason, why the brasserie violated covid rules. Although maybe the parting with Gareth wasn't amicable....
Anyways the parents had a place in La turbie it was reported. My guess is that it was rented. Remember that Charlene lived in a rented place in Cap d ail while the palace was being renovated and the twins were babies? Albert might have provided for the location and had they stayed longer, he probably would have bought a place and allow them to live there. But I don't think he gave them money. Rainier was said to be mean when it came to financials. Albert was brought up that way. Although he seems more generous, I don't think he is that generous. He might have helped Gareth with setting him up with Gildo Pastor and there was probably some kind of deal going on that was not quite official. Maybe a quid pro quo for some construction permit or other project of his. My guess is that Pastor had already experience in the business and also sold them their beer and they wanted to make sure that the business wouldn't tank straight away, given that Gareth seems to have no credentials in anything and neither does his wife. By 2016 Gareth bought the remaining shares. Remember the company is only listed with 15000 Euro, which means each share is 15 Euro. Normally you also have to pay for the interior or the droit de bail etc. but I bet they only had to pay the 15 Euro per share. Anyways seelling it would have made them quite a bit of money, but we don't know their calculations. Given that they sold that quickly, the offer was either that good or they got into debts. Given that their money matters are handled by the palace, they were probably told to sell. Those people know how much money you can make in that location. So my guess is that they were losing money and the plug was pulled. Maybe they will help Gareth set up business in SA, but that means he will be on his own there and have to move there. Given how their backyard looks, I get that. Look at his IG and pics of his daughter. Not sure where they are living, but I think probably somewhere in MC so he can be free of tax and possibly lives in a kind of place that is offered to Monegasques. That way the kids can go to MC schools and security wise it is cheaper. Anyways, I don't think that the palace would fund another business of his in MC and there isn't that much you can do there without any kind of education. Also we know that his sister still doesn't speak the language, so I doubt that he is doing any better. So what work could he possibly do without any knowledge or local language?
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Post by agentf on Aug 5, 2021 20:54:45 GMT -5
What the ... is Japanese-Brazilian fusion?! Is it like the grill tables with chefs making meat fly to your plate? But on spits? I'm confused. You're welcome. No MC buns was sold and is now a Japanese-Brazilian fusion place owned and run by an Italian food chain. But it is owned by a different company. Not sure if he is behind that company too and does this for tax purposes. So basically Gareth doesn't have a proper job again. Since the business was sold sometime between January and June 2019 and the pandemic started not long after that, I don't think he started anything new in MC, at least no restaurant. He had one of the best location in MC. Giving that up after such a short time, means he didn't do well, which IMO is difficult given the prices they charged and the fact that the port has always been a tourist trap. I saw that there are now quite a few locations up for take over. Business must have been terrible. There is a reason, why the brasserie violated covid rules. Although maybe the parting with Gareth wasn't amicable.... Anyways the parents had a place in La turbie it was reported. My guess is that it was rented. Remember that Charlene lived in a rented place in Cap d ail while the palace was being renovated and the twins were babies? Albert might have provided for the location and had they stayed longer, he probably would have bought a place and allow them to live there. But I don't think he gave them money. Rainier was said to be mean when it came to financials. Albert was brought up that way. Although he seems more generous, I don't think he is that generous. He might have helped Gareth with setting him up with Gildo Pastor and there was probably some kind of deal going on that was not quite official. Maybe a quid pro quo for some construction permit or other project of his. My guess is that Pastor had already experience in the business and also sold them their beer and they wanted to make sure that the business wouldn't tank straight away, given that Gareth seems to have no credentials in anything and neither does his wife. By 2016 Gareth bought the remaining shares. Remember the company is only listed with 15000 Euro, which means each share is 15 Euro. Normally you also have to pay for the interior or the droit de bail etc. but I bet they only had to pay the 15 Euro per share. Anyways seelling it would have made them quite a bit of money, but we don't know their calculations. Given that they sold that quickly, the offer was either that good or they got into debts. Given that their money matters are handled by the palace, they were probably told to sell. Those people know how much money you can make in that location. So my guess is that they were losing money and the plug was pulled. Maybe they will help Gareth set up business in SA, but that means he will be on his own there and have to move there. Given how their backyard looks, I get that. Look at his IG and pics of his daughter. Not sure where they are living, but I think probably somewhere in MC so he can be free of tax and possibly lives in a kind of place that is offered to Monegasques. That way the kids can go to MC schools and security wise it is cheaper. Anyways, I don't think that the palace would fund another business of his in MC and there isn't that much you can do there without any kind of education. Also we know that his sister still doesn't speak the language, so I doubt that he is doing any better. So what work could he possibly do without any knowledge or local language?
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Post by paca on Aug 6, 2021 7:29:10 GMT -5
What the ... is Japanese-Brazilian fusion?! Is it like the grill tables with chefs making meat fly to your plate? But on spits? I'm confused. www.temakinho.com/pages/temakinho-montecarloapparently the portions are rather small; as I said the location is a tourist trap, Personally I would recommend a small place on the roc and then there are a few places in Beausoleil, but they are a bit hidden. The grain de riz used to be hip at some time, then for no apparent reason it wasn't. But the food was always excellent and the price is great for what you get. Th owner /waiter is a bit unusual, but basically he wants people to eat up and not waste food. People always ordered too many dishes because it was cheap, so there were always left overs. Personally I would say offer a doggy bag or make the portions smaller. Probably both would have served everyone. The other place is traditional French, just a tiny place, but good price for value. Just need to walk straight uphill to Beausoleil past the Cremaillere. The New Indian near the Beausoleil market has also always offered good price for value. The various Indian shops in that area all belong together with the restaurant, some offer take away Indian snacks. It's all way cheaper than anything around the port. If you do need a quick sandwich near the port, better to get one from the supermarket rather then from the bakeries where you pay easily 2 or 3 times the price. As I said the port is a tourist trap and it is hard to not make good money in that location. Stars and bars is more reasonably priced for what they offer, agood place when with children, but otherwise if you really want to go out for dinner, there are better places in MC. The restaurant on the roc was actually quite a surprise as I would have expected it to be more of a tourist trap. But fish was great, well cooked and the icecream was homemade. Most tourists don't actually tend to eat up there as most guides just walk them past to the palace and then to the port and casino. so not much time for day tourists to eat on the rock. So you will find more locals there than you would expect. Hence the cooking and the price/value. They are not catering for one time clients.
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Post by agentf on Aug 6, 2021 8:29:21 GMT -5
I luuuuhhh-ve Indian food. Okay, so the fusion menu looks organic enough, not too weird. I wonder what sliced almonds bring to sushi, but I would try. I'm not a fan of mayo slathered on sushi. I'm a pack-my-wasabi-inside kind of woman, not on the side, and no mayo in sight. I see less sesame seeds, I guess almonds replace that. It looks yummy otherwise. Colourful, joyful plates. More emphasis on fish than meat. ๐
Where were we...? The brother, restaurants. Buns does sound ร la Hooters.
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Post by paca on Aug 6, 2021 9:01:34 GMT -5
well, the buns thing was pretty chauvinistic. They had all sorts of posters hanging there which were basically derogatory to women. As a brother to a sister and a father to a daughter, one would have thought that he would be more careful, but apparently he is a man of last century. I doubt that his menu had much on offer for vegans or vegetarians either. He should have realized that beef is expensive and these days not so popular. The sides of fries seemed small, so to have your clients not leave hungry, the burgers have to be huge. Anyways pics didn't look that appetizing for 12 Euro the cheapest combo. A Big Mac Menu in Fontvielle is about half prize. If you want the look of the port, you can take away and walk there in less then 5 min. Same thing, just cheaper. If you can trust their very unprofessional facebook site, they opened in 2014, so 2 years before seperating from Pastor. They closed in June 2019. So just 5 years. with the sports gear on the walls they are clearly showing that they are trying to emulate SnB. The schumacher thing is a fraud as Schumacher had his accident in December 2013, so was most certainly never there. SnB got their bits from the athletes that were actually there. there are usually pics of them in SnB as well. So MC Buns was a very poor copy. Also on their fb page they did not showcase their food. not even their restaurant. Highly unprofessional. You use social media to promote your business and to get people to follow you, you have special promotions online. And you make sure your food looks good. Get a professional to do the pics. And get your chef to present the food as close to the pic as possible www.tripadvisor.com/Restaurant_Review-g190407-d14065717-Reviews-MC_Buns-La_Condamine.html
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Post by paca on Aug 6, 2021 18:11:20 GMT -5
so there is no apparent reason, why she couldn't travel by boat. even during covid. As to the medical argument: they can have a doctor travel with her. A lot of luxury yachts have a medical room on board. If she went by cruise, well they do have medical facilities and they could book her own doctor on board or have one from MC fly in and travel with her. A private yacht could stop at any port along the way if needed. Those private russian yachts are probably faster then a cruiseship, they all have helipads, so she could easily be taken part of the trip by heli, which travels lower then planes, so she could handle it. They could drop her in Corsica and have her picked up by Alberts heli. not sure what distance it flies, but seems pretty big, so even Lampedusa or sardinia, Sicily or Malta could be an option that shortens the distance. And even if she could get to one of these places by boat, she would be nearer to home and receive visits from her kids more frequently. If they can stay with nannies, I don't see why they can't travel with them. adelswelt.de/charlene-von-monaco-warum-reist-sie-nicht-per-schiff/
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Post by agentf on Aug 7, 2021 7:19:26 GMT -5
There's a fresh headline in the Daily Mail rehashing the love children and misery stuff. Maybe her PR are trying Albert in the court of public opinion, to offset any potentially more real reasons for neglecting her children, whether plastic surgery mishaps or running away because of scams. The picture they keep using is so disturbing though, with camouflaged armed men flanking her with that Aryan haircut, dressed in an 80s New Wave onesie. No one is doing her a favour there. Doesn't DM have an editor's room so they check on their stories before duplicating? so there is no apparent reason, why she couldn't travel by boat. even during covid. As to the medical argument: they can have a doctor travel with her. A lot of luxury yachts have a medical room on board. If she went by cruise, well they do have medical facilities and they could book her own doctor on board or have one from MC fly in and travel with her. A private yacht could stop at any port along the way if needed. Those private russian yachts are probably faster then a cruiseship, they all have helipads, so she could easily be taken part of the trip by heli, which travels lower then planes, so she could handle it. They could drop her in Corsica and have her picked up by Alberts heli. not sure what distance it flies, but seems pretty big, so even Lampedusa or sardinia, Sicily or Malta could be an option that shortens the distance. And even if she could get to one of these places by boat, she would be nearer to home and receive visits from her kids more frequently. If they can stay with nannies, I don't see why they can't travel with them. adelswelt.de/charlene-von-monaco-warum-reist-sie-nicht-per-schiff/
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Post by paca on Aug 7, 2021 7:53:38 GMT -5
Well, Bern said that this whole thing is about not coming off as the baddy. In case of divorce she knows the kids will remain in MC. That is my only explanation why she is not even trying to get back to MC. she has left the kids often with the nannies in the past years, while she was cruising around in Turkey and corsica. So my guess is that the kids are already used to being deserted by their parents. I also think that is why they are so wild around their parents. neither has the routine with them. Albert and Caro were in their early years closer to their nanny than their parents. Caro has changed that for her kids and has always been very involved, which I have seen for myself with Alexandra. But Albert seems to be following in his parents footsteps. I think that with him it his his age and his lazyness to change his ways. Had he been a younger dad (and I mean in that case living with them) I think he would have been a better parent. Charlene just seems to be naturally awkward. Her upbringing wasn't aimed at anything except sport and thats why she doesn't have clue how to raise her kids for the life ahead of them. To be honest, I think a divorce would greatly benefit the kids. She could give them the space to be carefree and Albert could hire a more qualified nanny, that knows how to prepare them and also give Albert some advice. If they do it properly without this stupid game playing, the kids can get through this. But the way they are going about it, the kids are the last thing on either parents thought. Why can't they put them first at least once...
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Post by paca on Aug 7, 2021 8:38:47 GMT -5
That is a pretty scathing article. I wasn't aware that the horse was a race horse. And yes, she could have bought a racehorse closer to home. It does look though as if she is still looking to the BRF, as to my knowledge the Grimaldis did not keep racehorses in the past. It is a pretty expensive hobby and usually comes at a financial loss unless you go into breeding and make money through that. But the upkeep, staff etc usually aren't met with the wins. Besides the jockey gets a premium for each win. I would also like to mention that racehorses have usually a pathetic life. It just goes to the opposite of what she claims to do for the rhinos. Seans claim that the video was released behind their back is pathetic. Why does he think the video was made? I guess there was some backlash from MC over it. The question of her trying other ways of travel is brushed over quickly. Interestingly they mention boarding school. To my knowledge Only Steph was put into boarding because of Caros divorce and Alex due to her figureskating, which she eventually abandonned. Not sure what she is doing these days. All other kids were in regular schools, Albert and Caro both in MC as well as Stephs kids. Rainier an Antoinette were boarding in England. He hated it. But it was different times and given his parents lifestyle (his father was apparently gay and his mum mixed with criminals) It was probably the best available solution. So it's odd that boarding is evoked, given that it has ceased to be a family tradition. Unlike the BRF. www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9870211/Princess-Charlenes-fairytale-marriage-Prince-Albert-mired-secret-love-children-misery.html
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Post by axelle on Aug 7, 2021 10:32:56 GMT -5
Wow lots going on - Paca thank you for posting all the info on the restaurant. I do think GW was forced to sell as it was not making money.
You know the idea of a racehorse ran through my mind that she was down there for some race track patronage to her foundation time back. I've personally gone off racing for all the track tricks they use to make them faster. Buying a horse down there certainly is telling. But since neither side is especially an equestrian family makes me wonder where that came from? Dad maybe or the brothers?
Charlotte is accomplished but have we ever seen CW in the saddle? Don't think so.
Exactly well said that it goes against the core values she is trying to get out about the rhinos.
Can't they get the freaking narrative right?
Yes, Sean saying that the video was released behind their backs sounds like damage control. That video did her no favors.
Personally, I think they are dancing around negotiating the split.
And it is just a question of time. They should just get on with it.
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Post by paca on Aug 7, 2021 11:53:21 GMT -5
Well, Charlotte rides (judging her recent looks, I would say she is spending loads of time training; she is a lot thinner but muscles all around) and I believe that Caro did too, though for personal pleasure. Race horses are a matter of prestige and investments, though very risky as that. And I think the cruelty about horses in sport could be witnessed just now at the Olympics, specifically poor Saint boy. Poor thing was absolutely spooked and the rider doesn't belong on a horse. You don't take out your frustrations on an animal. Had she remained calm and trusted the horse, nothing would have happened, but with a hysteric rider on board, no wonder he bolted. Shame he didn't throw her off. Horses are just too polite. Anyways I think that with the horse she only wants access to a certain part of society. As she did when she first attended races in SA. She doesn't attend races anywhere else, so it is not about races or horses, it is about access. She is planning for her future in SA and the lifestyle she wants to have. The horse is just part of the package, just like her kids are a part of the package with PA. I was willing to give her some credit as a mother and I am not saying that she doesn't care for them. But she knows that their future is MC and she doesn't see hers there. If she saw her future with her children, she would be in MC right now. She would have found a way to be with them. She is walking around in the bush, She is well enough to do all sorts of unnecessary things. But not well enough to be with her kids? Or get them over? It is not like she is anywhere near danger in the middle of nowhere. There has been talk of a deal like ea and caro. That is not possible as the Monegasques would never accept an in absentia princess. They don't care about what she does in SA or anywhere else in the world. What matters is what she does in MC and that is nothing. If she doesn't want to come back fine, but stop playing games and get it over with. No one ever believed that the relation ship was real and the timeline given in articles suggesting they were in a relationship since 2000 are wrong. If I am not mistaken Albert went to a party in sa for new year after his dad died and she was there too. IMO she was the only one from that list for arranged marriages who agreed to give it a try. And when she realized that her chances for the Olympics were zero, she knew she had to stick to it. With a successful participation she would have been financially independent and probably would not have married Albert. But as it was she was looking at nothing, no education, no carreer in sport. It still baffles me that none of the Wittstocks have a proper education or training. Yet still they think they can run restaurants or other businesses. How is Seans helicopter business going? He seems to be more involved with his sister as is his wife. Without her marriage none of the siblings would be able to live the life they lead. They could be stacking shelves or deliver goods for Amazon, but for other things then that, they are not qualified. And that is probably at the core of things. The settlement has to involve the entire family. Problem is that he has allowed them to get used to a lifestyle that they will never be able to efford on their own merrits. They are too old and too dumb to catch up on education, so the best thing for them would be for Albert to find them someone who will employ them. albert has not enough money to set all of them up for life. And he shouldn't have to. Get her a house and a decent settlement and have them fend for themselves.
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Post by paca on Aug 7, 2021 16:27:34 GMT -5
Now that is new: Monaco matin has removed its section about the Grimaldis. There has always been a special section for them online with news about the festivities, interviews and pictures. Not always up to date. Now there is zilch. Nothing. As if they didn't exist. Given that it#s the local paper and owned by them, this is IMO significant.
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Post by paca on Aug 7, 2021 18:12:27 GMT -5
now there is a way for her to travel. At 51 knots she would be home in no time...or actually about 4 days if travelling non stop. Get it transported by one of those large carrier planes, she could be home in a week, have her operation and recovery in MC with her kids by her side... The yachts usually have 11 kn as high speed... large container ships travel about 23 to 25 kn. btw nice to see that Camilles dad was there too. Charlene was nowhere to be seen. But Caro and Steph were there as well www.monaco-tribune.com/en/2021/03/princely-family-attends-baptism-of-monaco-one-shuttle/
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