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Post by donna on Jan 4, 2022 18:34:54 GMT -5
well, it is a start and as you say, one person alone can't do it. If Albert is willing to do it, it s a good thing, but he can't be doing it just for the kids. Same goes for CW. She has to be willing to do the job as well as being a mother. It is going to be tough. And the end is open as it is a long road. And since she only got out of the physical withdrawal, the psychological part is much harder. She has to unlearn a lot of her habbits as does Albert. Plus they still have to raise the kids together. Worst case they will find out that they won't work and will get help setting up their seperate lives and parenting the kids. Or they finally learn to behave as responsible adults and manage to communicate without tantrums, blackmail or resignation. Albert will probably have to honestly spell out what he expects of a wife and she will have to be honest about whether she is up for the job. I think it is marvellous that they are all seeking therapy. Our generation (and Albert's) is so closed off emotionally that we have to learn how to allow ourselves to have feelings. When I was young, it was all about not showing emotions. Crying, for instance, was not something one did. Ever. Unless somebody died, then it was ok to cry at the funeral. But not otherwise. I say "best case scenario" is that they let go of their pride, accept that they are not compatible and find separate ways. I want them both to be with partners who really love them. It is such a waste of life to be in a loveless relationship. IMO.
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Post by paca on Jan 4, 2022 20:57:15 GMT -5
I think Albert has to think about his age in this scenario as well. He has about 10 to 15 good years ahead. Filled with lots of work and raising his children. That is not a lot of time and he might want to think about how to spend them. Does he want to spend them fixing a marriage that didn't work from the start? His wife is 20 years younger and already not able to take on her role. Does he want to spend his time getting her ready for a role she will most likely never be able to fill, or will he look for other options and as that I do not think about replacing his wife, but making sure that his kids will be properly looked after and a worst case solution is put in place, should he not have those years. He can still make sure that she gets proper treatment, but he has to think of the succession and who will be doing his job when he can't. For now Caro is still around, but she is not a spring chicken either. He needs to set up a plan and communicate it to his people. And he has to communicate this to his wife, so she understands what is ahead. Her role is not going to get lighter. On the contrary, it will get more difficult. In a normal scenario she would have to rule in place of her son. How will she do that, not speaking French, not knowing anything about politics etc. THese things need to be discussed and she has to realize what is ahead of her. She also needs to recognize her own abilities. She will always be their mother, but she will just need to accept that someone else will have to reign until her son is ready and that that person has to be there and be informed way ahead in order to do the job.
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Post by margarita on Jan 5, 2022 0:20:40 GMT -5
well, it is a start and as you say, one person alone can't do it. If Albert is willing to do it, it s a good thing, but he can't be doing it just for the kids. Same goes for CW. She has to be willing to do the job as well as being a mother. It is going to be tough. And the end is open as it is a long road. And since she only got out of the physical withdrawal, the psychological part is much harder. She has to unlearn a lot of her habbits as does Albert. Plus they still have to raise the kids together. Worst case they will find out that they won't work and will get help setting up their seperate lives and parenting the kids. Or they finally learn to behave as responsible adults and manage to communicate without tantrums, blackmail or resignation. Albert will probably have to honestly spell out what he expects of a wife and she will have to be honest about whether she is up for the job. Nice said, Paca! Couldn't agree more!!
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Post by margarita on Jan 10, 2022 7:29:27 GMT -5
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Post by paca on Jan 10, 2022 8:40:54 GMT -5
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Post by paca on Jan 10, 2022 13:29:55 GMT -5
I think this is BS. It took her at least 4 weeks to get rid of the toxins in her system and overcome the physical addiction. So she barely just started her proper therapy. No way will she be able to come back for St Devote. And surely not on official duty. It will take months. And then she will probably be an outpatient in MC or organize some sort of therapy closer to home. Since she is interned for now, once doctors see improvement usually some sort of dayclinic is organized. To keep the day structured and to follow up treatment. That would take an average of 4 to 6 weeks as well. After that she might doing other things. But before that I don't see her doing anything official. And when she does start again, it will be more likely a soft intro. Low level events, events she likes etc. If at all. She can also chose to go private and just be a mother and not do any public stuff. People won't like it, but it is not their decision to make. www.tz.de/stars/charlene-monaco-rueckkehr-fuerstentum-feiertag-fuerst-albert-gesundheit-kinder-familie-24r-91226168.html
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Post by agentf on Jan 10, 2022 14:43:16 GMT -5
I think, as you've suggested before, that finishing what she starts is not always a foregone conclusion. Maybe though, seeing the kids is just causing her to want to be ahead of herself and be functioning again. Personally, when my mental hamster wheel spins these days, I reason myself by remembering that Covid has slowed everything to a pace and that I don't have to accomplish everything at once, that everyone is having to be patient therefore I'm not missing everything. I think this is BS. It took her at least 4 weeks to get rid of the toxins in her system and overcome the physical addiction. So she barely just started her proper therapy. No way will she be able to come back for St Devote. And surely not on official duty. It will take months. And then she will probably be an outpatient in MC or organize some sort of therapy closer to home. Since she is interned for now, once doctors see improvement usually some sort of dayclinic is organized. To keep the day structured and to follow up treatment. That would take an average of 4 to 6 weeks as well. After that she might doing other things. But before that I don't see her doing anything official. And when she does start again, it will be more likely a soft intro. Low level events, events she likes etc. If at all. She can also chose to go private and just be a mother and not do any public stuff. People won't like it, but it is not their decision to make. www.tz.de/stars/charlene-monaco-rueckkehr-fuerstentum-feiertag-fuerst-albert-gesundheit-kinder-familie-24r-91226168.html
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Post by agentf on Jan 10, 2022 14:50:15 GMT -5
I prefer the lime green suit. The lozenge pattern is not calibrated well; they should be smaller, more elongated so it doesn't invoke something else. Placing the finer lozenge pattern directionally as a sash rather than on the sleeves, would be more elegant. Then repeat the pattern to line the collar's interior and maybe do white cuffs or toggles as highlights. That's where I would start. Maybe Pauline could weigh in on this. 🤔
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Post by paca on Jan 10, 2022 15:16:10 GMT -5
I prefer the lime green suit. The lozenge pattern is not calibrated well; they should be smaller, more elongated so it doesn't invoke café tablecloths (sorry). Placing the finer lozenge pattern directionally as a sash rather than on the sleeves, would be more elegant. Then repeat the pattern to line the collar's interior and maybe do white cuffs or toggles as highlights. That's where I would start. Maybe Pauline could weigh in on this. 🤔 I am afraid that with Pauline there would be only badly sewn seams. He'd be resembling a clown bursting his seams. And that when he seems to have lost a slight bit of weight.
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Post by agentf on Jan 10, 2022 15:20:26 GMT -5
That's literally called "distressed", that effilochage. Good thing CC isn't sporting the trend 🤭 I'm tired. My humour is 👎🏻 today. I prefer the lime green suit. The lozenge pattern is not calibrated well; they should be smaller, more elongated so it doesn't invoke café tablecloths (sorry). Placing the finer lozenge pattern directionally as a sash rather than on the sleeves, would be more elegant. Then repeat the pattern to line the collar's interior and maybe do white cuffs or toggles as highlights. That's where I would start. Maybe Pauline could weigh in on this. 🤔 I am afraid that with Pauline there would be only badly sewn seams. He'd be resembling a clown bursting his seams. And that when he seems to have lost a slight bit of weight.
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Post by paca on Jan 10, 2022 15:30:10 GMT -5
I think, as you've suggested before, that finishing what she starts is not always a foregone conclusion. Maybe though, seeing the kids is just causing her to want to be ahead of herself and be functioning again. Personally, when my mental hamster wheel spins these days, I reason myself by remembering that Covid has slowed everything to a pace and that I don't have to accomplish everything at once, that everyone is having to be patient therefore I'm not missing everything. I think this is BS. It took her at least 4 weeks to get rid of the toxins in her system and overcome the physical addiction. So she barely just started her proper therapy. No way will she be able to come back for St Devote. And surely not on official duty. It will take months. And then she will probably be an outpatient in MC or organize some sort of therapy closer to home. Since she is interned for now, once doctors see improvement usually some sort of dayclinic is organized. To keep the day structured and to follow up treatment. That would take an average of 4 to 6 weeks as well. After that she might doing other things. But before that I don't see her doing anything official. And when she does start again, it will be more likely a soft intro. Low level events, events she likes etc. If at all. She can also chose to go private and just be a mother and not do any public stuff. People won't like it, but it is not their decision to make. www.tz.de/stars/charlene-monaco-rueckkehr-fuerstentum-feiertag-fuerst-albert-gesundheit-kinder-familie-24r-91226168.htmlyes, I think rushing it would probably do more harm than good. She might quickly return to old habits, but also you can't erase years of false decisions and bad behaviour with 2 weeks of therapy. It takes time and she should take that time. And Albert should encourage her to do so. No one can force her to stay, since she came out of her own free will and can leave any time, but everyone needs to reensure her and to give it time. And they will need time to work out a follow up plan. They will probably also have to search the grounds for possible hidden meds. And as an addict she will have had several. It is a huge place with many possibilities to hide things. Not mentioning all those other properties. And obviously she has to have a therapist she trusts on call. You can do that to a degree by phone or by zoom, but the direct contact is key IMO. We should also remember that there is still covid and apparently she had huge problems with that too. Given that MC has an incidence of over 1000, I don't think that currently MC would be a safe place for her. I think it is better to take another few months, get physically stronger and do her program than coming back too soon, relapsing and then having to go back again and again. She doesn't want to end up a trainwreck like Katie Price. The kids would get much more damaged by that, then having to visit their mother frequently over a longer period. And since there seems to be skiing attached, they will probably even having good memories of fun in the snow attached to the visits, which will possibly add to their own resilience.
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Post by paca on Jan 10, 2022 15:32:31 GMT -5
That's literally called "distressed", that effilochage. Good thing CC isn't sporting the trend 🤭 I'm tired. My humour is 👎🏻 today. I am afraid that with Pauline there would be only badly sewn seams. He'd be resembling a clown bursting his seams. And that when he seems to have lost a slight bit of weight. lol, yeah, not a look that either of them should embrace. I thought it was old news btw.
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Post by agentf on Jan 10, 2022 17:48:17 GMT -5
See, I'm not convinced that she's that committed to addiction either. I think it's a mix of things she has going on, to hide that she simply doesn't want to make an effort so this supposed addiction is probably a panacea. Maybe I'm too harsh 🤷🏻♀️ I think, as you've suggested before, that finishing what she starts is not always a foregone conclusion. Maybe though, seeing the kids is just causing her to want to be ahead of herself and be functioning again. Personally, when my mental hamster wheel spins these days, I reason myself by remembering that Covid has slowed everything to a pace and that I don't have to accomplish everything at once, that everyone is having to be patient therefore I'm not missing everything. yes, I think rushing it would probably do more harm than good. She might quickly return to old habits, but also you can't erase years of false decisions and bad behaviour with 2 weeks of therapy. It takes time and she should take that time. And Albert should encourage her to do so. No one can force her to stay, since she came out of her own free will and can leave any time, but everyone needs to reensure her and to give it time. And they will need time to work out a follow up plan. They will probably also have to search the grounds for possible hidden meds. And as an addict she will have had several. It is a huge place with many possibilities to hide things. Not mentioning all those other properties. And obviously she has to have a therapist she trusts on call. You can do that to a degree by phone or by zoom, but the direct contact is key IMO. We should also remember that there is still covid and apparently she had huge problems with that too. Given that MC has an incidence of over 1000, I don't think that currently MC would be a safe place for her. I think it is better to take another few months, get physically stronger and do her program than coming back too soon, relapsing and then having to go back again and again. She doesn't want to end up a trainwreck like Katie Price. The kids would get much more damaged by that, then having to visit their mother frequently over a longer period. And since there seems to be skiing attached, they will probably even having good memories of fun in the snow attached to the visits, which will possibly add to their own resilience.
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Post by margarita on Jan 13, 2022 5:28:09 GMT -5
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Post by paca on Jan 13, 2022 9:20:57 GMT -5
another badly translated article. Since MC is translated as Munich, my guess is from Italian. Journalism of faith. Sorry, but that has fake news spelled all over it. Real journalism deals with facts not faith. And the St devote articles are BS. Even if she were to return to MC at the time, it is very unlikely she would immediately dive into public duties. I think in that respect we need to turn to the Japanese empress and her return to public view. The rags are just making up stories to fill the news cycle until Albert throws them another bone. Hopefully they all keep stumm until there really is news like a return to MC and an update on further treatments. I am glad there have been no more IG messages. It just creates unnecessary noise.
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Post by agentf on Jan 13, 2022 9:25:36 GMT -5
Consider the source...? A news portal whose contact address is with Gmail and Kashmir in origin...? Where would their sources be? Munich?! But thank you for introducing new sites all the time. That aside, I do think she's ill and struggling. As Paca said, it can't be fixed in a matter of weeks. I think for most women, they reinvent themselves by the routine that parenthood brings and for that, I don't wish that she be separated from her children too long. It's her reason for being, and the children would make her less lonely on that journey imo. I do believe depression can be a by-product of all her surgeries and vice versa. Plus, this time of year is always hard morally. It's after the holidays and the new year itself adds pressure to perform. One day at a time, would be my advice. Also, take up art in order to self-hypnotize and let the subconscious speak.
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Post by paca on Jan 13, 2022 10:51:02 GMT -5
I find it rather irresponsible of them to insinuate that she is suicidal. She has kids, they can read and they have access to computers. We don't know how they are supervised on them, but you know kids and they know that there are things online about their parents. They have friends and schoolmates who talk and I know by experience that they are being discussed in homes, schools etc. SO so called journalists have an extra responsibility about what they are putting out there. For the kids sake and general decency. So should we. Maybe by not posting clickbait links on the board. I have seen articles and have not posted the links, because I found them irrelevant and pure tea leaf reading. NOne of them are helpful in anything. So maybe before posting these sort of links, think about whether you would want your kids to read articles like that about you. Fictional articles, but none the less harmful. I think we can discuss here without sinking as low as those who are making millions on lies. And they also have the right to keep some things private. Although I recommend getting everything out in the open in private. Family secrets tend to be more harmful then the actual reason for the secret. If you know what is going on, you can deal with it, get explanations etc. BUt secrets are surrounded with lies, half truths, guilt etc. Difficult to battle with ghosts. BTW anyone ever consider that she was a refugee as a child and has experienced trauma that has resurfaced? Somehow I don't see the Wittstocks thinking much about that. Especially when they had to build a new life to feed the kids. I know from the WW2 generation, that the trauma doesn't leave you. You deal with it, and you function well when young, but it comes back as you get older. And lets not forget that she is also menopausal. So this might just be a perfect storm with many things coming together.
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Post by agentf on Jan 13, 2022 14:10:08 GMT -5
I wonder how that makes CC feel, getting sympathy on this forum. Hasn't her reading here contributed somewhat, although thankfully we're not wide-circulation tabloids. My mother had a saying: "la pluie de tes insultes n'atteint pas le parapluie de mon indifférence", among clever quips when we joked around. It was theater. However, indifference is not the same from one person to the other. And not everyone has at the ready some clever retorts. I think being in the care of capable people will help her develop coping mechanisms and help her rest by even just cutting out the noise. The children are in the same position as Albert and his siblings before them. Court life has hardly evolved, I presume. But Albert has found some comfort in becoming hennish. Now his wife will find her stride. It will all work out. I find it rather irresponsible of them to insinuate that she is suicidal. She has kids, they can read and they have access to computers. We don't know how they are supervised on them, but you know kids and they know that there are things online about their parents. They have friends and schoolmates who talk and I know by experience that they are being discussed in homes, schools etc. SO so called journalists have an extra responsibility about what they are putting out there. For the kids sake and general decency. So should we. Maybe by not posting clickbait links on the board. I have seen articles and have not posted the links, because I found them irrelevant and pure tea leaf reading. NOne of them are helpful in anything. So maybe before posting these sort of links, think about whether you would want your kids to read articles like that about you. Fictional articles, but none the less harmful. I think we can discuss here without sinking as low as those who are making millions on lies. And they also have the right to keep some things private. Although I recommend getting everything out in the open in private. Family secrets tend to be more harmful then the actual reason for the secret. If you know what is going on, you can deal with it, get explanations etc. BUt secrets are surrounded with lies, half truths, guilt etc. Difficult to battle with ghosts. BTW anyone ever consider that she was a refugee as a child and has experienced trauma that has resurfaced? Somehow I don't see the Wittstocks thinking much about that. Especially when they had to build a new life to feed the kids. I know from the WW2 generation, that the trauma doesn't leave you. You deal with it, and you function well when young, but it comes back as you get older. And lets not forget that she is also menopausal. So this might just be a perfect storm with many things coming together.
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Post by paca on Jan 13, 2022 15:45:50 GMT -5
Well, it is one thing being discussed and gossipped about, but quite another to be the subject of fabricated and malicious stories. Obviously marrying into a family like ALberts or the BRF, you have to be prepared for it and realize that it comes with the territory. I do think that on this forum, we mostly discussed her qualification or lack there of for the job. I think that is fair. She put herself up to it and her attitude to everyone trying to help her or advise her (and there have been plenty of people trying to get through to her and help her out) did not play in her favour. It actually might have contributed to her current situation. But since she is currently ill, I think that there is no need to beat someone who is already on the ground. I think that she and ALbert know what went wrong to a degree. Miscommunication and badly handled PR obviously didn't help. But each of them has to acknowledge their share in the matter and adapt or change behaviour or at least learn to communicate better. With each other or those arround. We are seeing right now how even PR professionals like the BRF are deconstructing themselves. Especially in the second row. MC can learn from it for its own future. There have to be possibilities put in place. Like what has been done with Louis these days. Albert used to organize the charity football, now Louis is doing it. It is part of his professional interest anyways, but it also gives him a place and a role in MC and ties him in in the broader frame. Same goes for Camilles job for the young red cross. Anyways I think everyone has a chance right now to reset a few things, take a step back and see how they can do things differently. I still think that we can comment on things. Most of us have been watching and witnessed for years. Many things that are getting rehashed now, are common knowledge to us. I think that most of us thought that her lack of qualification and lack of interest in learning would lead to a divorce and not making her ill. In any case I do think that all parties involved have a chance to learn and improve. And yes the palace will remain the same, the roles and the work as well. Maybe the professionals can help adjust a few things or help accept things that can not e changed or will not be changed. Or find a different solution. But that will not be happening in a few weeks. The Grimaldis have ruled for more than 700 years. One life or one generation does not count that much in a dynasty. The Queen just proved that on her own son. Her ancestors have done so before. The csar and his family could have been saved by their BRF cousins, but dynasty trumps family, so the BRF threw them under the bus for their own benefit. Regardless how they privately felt.It is the justification for being where they are.
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Post by agentf on Jan 13, 2022 16:22:20 GMT -5
I agree. And regarding the Russian royals, though I'm not fully well versed, but in my research I did come across how the BRF's bankers (which were also Napoleon's bankers), made inroads with the Russian court through their ambassador to London. Sometimes Machiavellian people are not the ones with the crown on their heads, it's the ones gaming a system and profitting off of war... like the Hessians of yore, after the accountants took over. Ironically now Russia has its own mercenaries and wreak havoc elsewhere. 🤷🏻♀️ Well, it is one thing being discussed and gossipped about, but quite another to be the subject of fabricated and malicious stories. Obviously marrying into a family like ALberts or the BRF, you have to be prepared for it and realize that it comes with the territory. I do think that on this forum, we mostly discussed her qualification or lack there of for the job. I think that is fair. She put herself up to it and her attitude to everyone trying to help her or advise her (and there have been plenty of people trying to get through to her and help her out) did not play in her favour. It actually might have contributed to her current situation. But since she is currently ill, I think that there is no need to beat someone who is already on the ground. I think that she and ALbert know what went wrong to a degree. Miscommunication and badly handled PR obviously didn't help. But each of them has to acknowledge their share in the matter and adapt or change behaviour or at least learn to communicate better. With each other or those arround. We are seeing right now how even PR professionals like the BRF are deconstructing themselves. Especially in the second row. MC can learn from it for its own future. There have to be possibilities put in place. Like what has been done with Louis these days. Albert used to organize the charity football, now Louis is doing it. It is part of his professional interest anyways, but it also gives him a place and a role in MC and ties him in in the broader frame. Same goes for Camilles job for the young red cross. Anyways I think everyone has a chance right now to reset a few things, take a step back and see how they can do things differently. I still think that we can comment on things. Most of us have been watching and witnessed for years. Many things that are getting rehashed now, are common knowledge to us. I think that most of us thought that her lack of qualification and lack of interest in learning would lead to a divorce and not making her ill. In any case I do think that all parties involved have a chance to learn and improve. And yes the palace will remain the same, the roles and the work as well. Maybe the professionals can help adjust a few things or help accept things that can not e changed or will not be changed. Or find a different solution. But that will not be happening in a few weeks. The Grimaldis have ruled for more than 700 years. One life or one generation does not count that much in a dynasty. The Queen just proved that on her own son. Her ancestors have done so before. The csar and his family could have been saved by their BRF cousins, but dynasty trumps family, so the BRF threw them under the bus for their own benefit. Regardless how they privately felt.It is the justification for being where they are.
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