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Post by paca on Jan 28, 2022 14:22:55 GMT -5
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Post by agentf on Jan 28, 2022 16:21:44 GMT -5
Yes but right now, it's not about Caro. It's about a vulnerable, isolated woman. Well, reposting a video from your own foundation is pretty creepy too. No other social media account has posted anything about her birthday. I mean official ones. But also chantells private account did not post anything. I didn#t check the brothers account though. Anyways, I don't think that Caro or any of the Grimaldi blood relations are trying to replace her. They are stepping up for her and they have been making a point of including her blood relations to bring that point across. If it would have been only grimaldis, one could have argued the point, but her family was at NH and other occasions as their personal social media shows as well as indepedent press. The only one who is pushing herself on MC and Albert seems to be an ill advised Nicole. Also regardless how CW feels about Caro, there have been pics of Caro mucking about with the twins on NH from way back, that show that she has for years behind the scenes enjoyed a good relationship with them. Caro, as I have said, has always been able to seperate the children from their parents 't mean it in a bad way, but rather not blaming the children for their parents actions or words) and treat them as independent people. And it seems to be working well. Also I think that CW knows that Caro has been very protective of her own children, so she will be able to count on her protecting her twins. Also she is a very likely ally when it comes to putting Nicole in her place. And what ALbert may not do, Caro can do. I think that Caro would support putting Nicole in her place and preserving Alberts relationship with his sons. Nicole sould better watch out. Albert and Cw, each for their own reasons, may not be able to handle her and keep her at bay, but if Caro perceives her as a threat to the legal heirs, she will mop the floor with her. And Caro has enough influence at her hands in MC, but also in Paris, London etc. that will make Nicole and those egging her on persona non grata. And to my knowledge Nicole has never attended ST devote Mass before. So she is trying to send a message. Especially entering vis tha main entrance and making it a point to be seen. Btw the mass is followed by a proceesion to ST devote church via the palace, hence the balcony pics. I wonder if Jacques cross image was in response to spotting Nicole down in the crowd. If she participated in that part of the celebrations. Anyways I think that CW has already hinted during her stay in SA that she is not opposed to Caro etc taking her children under their wings. in the end, you want your kids to get as much love and cuddles as they need and if you can't be there to give that, it is good that they have others that are save to do so. And as it seems the kids are taking it in from every one in their family and seem to enjoy that. I think it has brought them closer to all their family. It gives them strength now and later as well. to be able to form strong bonds with their wider family at this age will carry on throughout their lives. With a granddad dad and a fragile mother they will have strong emotional support later on in life from their cousins and their children. And they will need it. So lets see the positive aspects of this mess.
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Post by paca on Jan 28, 2022 16:58:11 GMT -5
I think she is far less isolated than she likes us to think. Yes, she is now being treated, but when you look how people have stepped up for her, not to replace her, but to help out, shows that she is not alone. Possibly they only realized now what was going on and tried to see her side. Maybe they also regretted past behaviour or words. We don't know. But the willingness to step up and help out, shows a willingness to meet her half way. Now she needs to do her bit, follow her treatment and drop the hostility on her part. Being mistrusting towards anyone who was trying to give you wellmeaning advice, it not a way to build relationships and find allies. You can't expect to like every member of a family you marry into. Especially a family that has such a unique standing. Marrying up into a family with richess beyond the imagineable and access to education and culture alone is not easy, but one with almost 8 centuries of history is quite a different matter. I am sure she underestimated what she was getting into and overestimated her abilities. But if you consider everyone who wants to help a busybody or even an enemy, than you are not being isolated, you are isolating yourself. Friends are not the ones that tell you how great you are all the time, friends are those who tell you the truth, even when it is painful at times. And to me family should be the place where you can be most honest, but at the same time should be most supported. It doesn't always work out that way and in my experience communication or the lack of it is key. I think most family trouble could be avoided, if communication would work better. The problem is that what we want to say is often received differently. ANd sadly we either don't have the time or are too lazy or too set in our ways to follow up that what we say is received the way it was meant.
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Post by agentf on Jan 28, 2022 21:48:32 GMT -5
Well we can theorize ad nauseam. The "being insecure about Caro" running theme didn't come from me. Many are stepping up as much for Albert, if not more. We've established she was socially challenged, but forgive me if I think taming a person is BS. It's borderline cannibalistic and a deeper rejection of the person IMO. Family is a give and take, and if not well too bad. You get good pets instead or you have your own family, and you relativize about the rest. What you don't do is pour salt on wounds.
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Post by margarita on Feb 3, 2022 11:25:26 GMT -5
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Post by paca on Feb 3, 2022 11:59:34 GMT -5
well, ALL royals could use their own money for charity and there would be no need to make it public either. I think I made a similar statement many months back about her rhino involvement. It is unprofessional as is her fundraising. I wouldn't take it seriously nor seems anyone else. All royal foundations, regardless which family, are about access. The scandals surrounding them sooner or later all point to that. It is royalty for hire. No one donates without a quid pro quo. In MC it is even more open. Whne you want residency quickly you are being pointed towards a charity. Citizenship costs you more. ANd for people like Hamilton etc, who are rarely in MC it pays off. To have residency and benefit from the tax free status, you need to spend more than half a year in MC. Neither Hamilton or Djokovic do that. MC could easily check that just following social media and their official work schedule. Like where do they train, when not competing. And MC would need to withdraw the residency and inform their respective state. I know that they do that with less public people. Unless you give money to a charity instead. Or get involved in the charities. It is blackmail and corruption, but since both parties are playing the game, nothing will change, unless the hurt tax authority makes an effort to check and then rightfully refuses to accept the residency. But unless someone makes an official complaint, they are too understaffed and busy to go after normal people.
Btw I think apart from Anne, Kate is possibly the least expensive royal. Meg would have gone through all of harrys money within 5 years, had she remained in Britain. It is remarkable how much she spends on illfitting clothes. As to CW, I think she is spending less these days, for obvious reasons, but it has started way earlier. I think she spends more money on her surgeries than on clothes and now on therapy. As I said before there are other things that need fixing. Hopefully the therapy points her in the right direction. But we will see.
ANd since NC has shown her cards, another ex has come forward and makes the tabloid rounds. Interesting is the time of their affair, because there is an overlap with Nicole. So none of Alberts affairs were ever exclusive. Which begs the question: has he ever?
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Post by donna on Feb 3, 2022 16:04:09 GMT -5
I thought she got the clothes for free. I am glad she is paying for it, like the rest of the world.
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Post by donna on Feb 3, 2022 16:06:36 GMT -5
well, ALL royals could use their own money for charity and there would be no need to make it public either. I think I made a similar statement many months back about her rhino involvement. It is unprofessional as is her fundraising. I wouldn't take it seriously nor seems anyone else. All royal foundations, regardless which family, are about access. The scandals surrounding them sooner or later all point to that. It is royalty for hire. No one donates without a quid pro quo. In MC it is even more open. Whne you want residency quickly you are being pointed towards a charity. Citizenship costs you more. ANd for people like Hamilton etc, who are rarely in MC it pays off. To have residency and benefit from the tax free status, you need to spend more than half a year in MC. Neither Hamilton or Djokovic do that. MC could easily check that just following social media and their official work schedule. Like where do they train, when not competing. And MC would need to withdraw the residency and inform their respective state. I know that they do that with less public people. Unless you give money to a charity instead. Or get involved in the charities. It is blackmail and corruption, but since both parties are playing the game, nothing will change, unless the hurt tax authority makes an effort to check and then rightfully refuses to accept the residency. But unless someone makes an official complaint, they are too understaffed and busy to go after normal people. Btw I think apart from Anne, Kate is possibly the least expensive royal. Meg would have gone through all of harrys money within 5 years, had she remained in Britain. It is remarkable how much she spends on illfitting clothes. As to CW, I think she is spending less these days, for obvious reasons, but it has started way earlier. I think she spends more money on her surgeries than on clothes and now on therapy. As I said before there are other things that need fixing. Hopefully the therapy points her in the right direction. But we will see. ANd since NC has shown her cards, another ex has come forward and makes the tabloid rounds. Interesting is the time of their affair, because there is an overlap with Nicole. So none of Alberts affairs were ever exclusive. Which begs the question: has he ever? Which one is that? (the other ex)
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Post by agentf on Feb 3, 2022 16:18:31 GMT -5
😄 Seriously? I'll have to Google. Men are never faithful. (...) I think ultimately mutual respect is key. Even the quiet ones you can't trust, just like the extroverts. You're better having that unspoiled, unfinished "what-could-have-been" story sometimes, rather than bitter pills. well, ALL royals could use their own money for charity and there would be no need to make it public either. I think I made a similar statement many months back about her rhino involvement. It is unprofessional as is her fundraising. I wouldn't take it seriously nor seems anyone else. All royal foundations, regardless which family, are about access. The scandals surrounding them sooner or later all point to that. It is royalty for hire. No one donates without a quid pro quo. In MC it is even more open. Whne you want residency quickly you are being pointed towards a charity. Citizenship costs you more. ANd for people like Hamilton etc, who are rarely in MC it pays off. To have residency and benefit from the tax free status, you need to spend more than half a year in MC. Neither Hamilton or Djokovic do that. MC could easily check that just following social media and their official work schedule. Like where do they train, when not competing. And MC would need to withdraw the residency and inform their respective state. I know that they do that with less public people. Unless you give money to a charity instead. Or get involved in the charities. It is blackmail and corruption, but since both parties are playing the game, nothing will change, unless the hurt tax authority makes an effort to check and then rightfully refuses to accept the residency. But unless someone makes an official complaint, they are too understaffed and busy to go after normal people. Btw I think apart from Anne, Kate is possibly the least expensive royal. Meg would have gone through all of harrys money within 5 years, had she remained in Britain. It is remarkable how much she spends on illfitting clothes. As to CW, I think she is spending less these days, for obvious reasons, but it has started way earlier. I think she spends more money on her surgeries than on clothes and now on therapy. As I said before there are other things that need fixing. Hopefully the therapy points her in the right direction. But we will see. ANd since NC has shown her cards, another ex has come forward and makes the tabloid rounds. Interesting is the time of their affair, because there is an overlap with Nicole. So none of Alberts affairs were ever exclusive. Which begs the question: has he ever?
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Post by paca on Feb 3, 2022 17:00:57 GMT -5
well, ALL royals could use their own money for charity and there would be no need to make it public either. I think I made a similar statement many months back about her rhino involvement. It is unprofessional as is her fundraising. I wouldn't take it seriously nor seems anyone else. All royal foundations, regardless which family, are about access. The scandals surrounding them sooner or later all point to that. It is royalty for hire. No one donates without a quid pro quo. In MC it is even more open. Whne you want residency quickly you are being pointed towards a charity. Citizenship costs you more. ANd for people like Hamilton etc, who are rarely in MC it pays off. To have residency and benefit from the tax free status, you need to spend more than half a year in MC. Neither Hamilton or Djokovic do that. MC could easily check that just following social media and their official work schedule. Like where do they train, when not competing. And MC would need to withdraw the residency and inform their respective state. I know that they do that with less public people. Unless you give money to a charity instead. Or get involved in the charities. It is blackmail and corruption, but since both parties are playing the game, nothing will change, unless the hurt tax authority makes an effort to check and then rightfully refuses to accept the residency. But unless someone makes an official complaint, they are too understaffed and busy to go after normal people. Btw I think apart from Anne, Kate is possibly the least expensive royal. Meg would have gone through all of harrys money within 5 years, had she remained in Britain. It is remarkable how much she spends on illfitting clothes. As to CW, I think she is spending less these days, for obvious reasons, but it has started way earlier. I think she spends more money on her surgeries than on clothes and now on therapy. As I said before there are other things that need fixing. Hopefully the therapy points her in the right direction. But we will see. ANd since NC has shown her cards, another ex has come forward and makes the tabloid rounds. Interesting is the time of their affair, because there is an overlap with Nicole. So none of Alberts affairs were ever exclusive. Which begs the question: has he ever? Which one is that? (the other ex) some Italian woman. She talks about their sexlife. Apparently she is 57 and has children. Wonder why she blabs now? I do remember being told way back, that there was another lovechild in Italy, but the woman didn't want to be known to the public and had enough money in her own right, so didn't need his. That must be a first since everyone else gained financially from a relationship and child. Maybe thats why it didn't work out. Anyways, not sure if that is the same Italian that is blabbing now.
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Post by agentf on Feb 3, 2022 17:49:40 GMT -5
That's fascinating. Is she trying to put NC in her place? Let's face it, Nicole has been a pain recently and that copycat stuff may have gone too far. some Italian woman. She talks about their sexlife. Apparently she is 57 and has children. Wonder why she blabs now? I do remember being told way back, that there was another lovechild in Italy, but the woman didn't want to be known to the public and had enough money in her own right, so didn't need his. That must be a first since everyone else gained financially from a relationship and child. Maybe that's why it didn't work out. Anyways, not sure if that is the same Italian that is blabbing now.
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Post by paca on Feb 3, 2022 21:15:23 GMT -5
well, apparently they were overlapping affairs. He was sleeping with both off them at the same time, so I guess NC must be fuming since it bursts her bubble off being so loved and that they had such a strong bond. And that she would have convinced Rainier eventually too. I guess that is why he changed his testament and attached most of his assets to the throne, so no gold digger could get her hands on it. Albert thought he didn't know, I am certain he did. Anyways this ex is punching holes in her story. And that makes everything she says or does questionable. I didn't see much love towards her in MC. She couldn't bear the looks of people the few times she dared to take her son to swimming class. So she left it to various bodyguards.
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Post by agentf on Feb 4, 2022 4:23:04 GMT -5
And what if Albert all along has placed most of his emotions with this secret lover who likes her privacy and is financially independent? 🤔 On the other hand, NC deserves to fume a bit, though it may be understandable if she felt she were treated differently because of skin colour, for her to have been so militant towards an equal place in Albert's life. She might have been insensed by her perception of emotional dishonesty or hypocrisy at him being intimate with her yet unpublic about it. well, apparently they were overlapping affairs. He was sleeping with both off them at the same time, so I guess NC must be fuming since it bursts her bubble off being so loved and that they had such a strong bond. And that she would have convinced Rainier eventually too. I guess that is why he changed his testament and attached most of his assets to the throne, so no gold digger could get her hands on it. Albert thought he didn't know, I am certain he did. Anyways this ex is punching holes in her story. And that makes everything she says or does questionable. I didn't see much love towards her in MC. She couldn't bear the looks of people the few times she dared to take her son to swimming class. So she left it to various bodyguards.
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Post by paca on Feb 4, 2022 6:39:35 GMT -5
well, he was not public about pretty much all of them. And when you have multiple women running at the same time, it was probably for the better. He was dating NC, the Italian and CW (though that was when they first met and didn't have a relationship) pretty much at the same time. Not sure if the Italian blabbing now and the supposed secret babymama are the same person. But if so, then why blab now and on such a low level. I wouldn't hold that in her favour. And yeah I can imagine that in retrospect she might consider her treatment and that of her son racist, but Albert is not racist (and she knows it and probably didn't think of it than that way; different times; we all accepted things back then as normal masculine behaviour, which is these days unacceptable). Especially when it comes to women he is pretty indiscreminate. Also he looked after Alex earlier than Jazmin. If anything Jazmin and Gabriella can complain about discrimination.
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Post by agentf on Feb 4, 2022 13:05:07 GMT -5
He was a player, thanks to his status. Alexandre was a son. Typical. If you want to throw in astrology, he's an ordinary Aries 🙃 He held a carrot to women and watched them jump. I think it makes for sterile exchanges, this lack of commitment one way or the other. Men follow fantasies and never connect with the object of their infatuation. I don't think the women are totally to blame. On the contrary. Men simply don't know women. THAT's a fact. well, he was not public about pretty much all of them. And when you have multiple women running at the same time, it was probably for the better. He was dating NC, the Italian and CW (though that was when they first met and didn't have a relationship) pretty much at the same time. Not sure if the Italian blabbing now and the supposed secret babymama are the same person. But if so, then why blab now and on such a low level. I wouldn't hold that in her favour. And yeah I can imagine that in retrospect she might consider her treatment and that of her son racist, but Albert is not racist (and she knows it and probably didn't think of it than that way; different times; we all accepted things back then as normal masculine behaviour, which is these days unacceptable). Especially when it comes to women he is pretty indiscreminate. Also he looked after Alex earlier than Jazmin. If anything Jazmin and Gabriella can complain about discrimination.
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Post by axelle on Feb 4, 2022 17:15:45 GMT -5
Which one is that? (the other ex) some Italian woman. She talks about their sexlife. Apparently she is 57 and has children. Wonder why she blabs now? I do remember being told way back, that there was another lovechild in Italy, but the woman didn't want to be known to the public and had enough money in her own right, so didn't need his. That must be a first since everyone else gained financially from a relationship and child. Maybe thats why it didn't work out. Anyways, not sure if that is the same Italian that is blabbing now. Paca, who is this one where did you read that? Do you have a link? I found it dilei.it/reali/charlene-di-monaco-bersaglio-ex-amante-di-alberto/1106511/Simona Tagli
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Post by paca on Feb 4, 2022 17:35:48 GMT -5
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Post by axelle on Feb 4, 2022 17:51:15 GMT -5
Thanks! I remember her now - had totally forgotten. It was around the tennis matches in Rome.
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Post by agentf on Feb 4, 2022 18:37:24 GMT -5
She leaves little to the imagination... sex appeal, "appassionato" 🙄 He definitely has a type: not subtle. 😄 some Italian woman. She talks about their sexlife. Apparently she is 57 and has children. Wonder why she blabs now? I do remember being told way back, that there was another lovechild in Italy, but the woman didn't want to be known to the public and had enough money in her own right, so didn't need his. That must be a first since everyone else gained financially from a relationship and child. Maybe thats why it didn't work out. Anyways, not sure if that is the same Italian that is blabbing now. Paca, who is this one where did you read that? Do you have a link? I found it dilei.it/reali/charlene-di-monaco-bersaglio-ex-amante-di-alberto/1106511/Simona Tagli
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Post by paca on Feb 4, 2022 20:57:38 GMT -5
Thanks! I remember her now - had totally forgotten. It was around the tennis matches in Rome. yup, but it could have been anywhere. CW was after a swimming event, NC on a plane. I remember that when I moved to MC and did the choir things, Albert would be at the palace window and look down to th "crowd". He would do his bit, then look at whatever young and fairly attractive women were there and wink. Every time. And there were quite a few women who would respond and feel flattered. There were even some old biddies who would think he meant them For a royal he was pretty democratic with his attentions. Had he been a woman, they would have called him a slut. No surprise he married a golddigger and her parasitic family.
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