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Post by axelle on Feb 12, 2022 8:38:45 GMT -5
and the smile and the indication that the woman was alive ... Wow so long ago and many of us have been around since then too. Three cheers to those of us for keeping reality alive!!
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Post by paca on Feb 12, 2022 8:57:36 GMT -5
yeah and since then we have said she is not the right fit, while her cheerleaders claimed she was a princess because she wore princess clothes. Well, guess the clothes alone proved to be insufficient and I fear she is too old and set in her ways to actually learn the trade. Therapy will help her function to a degree, but it won't give her the means to do her job and the qualifications she is so desperately wanting. Be honest to yourself and admit that you are no princess material. Living in a casino state, you should know when you should cash in and stop playing. Or you will lose it all. Quitting as princess may mean success as a mother. Continuing as is might mean losing it all eventually.
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Post by margarita on Feb 12, 2022 9:59:05 GMT -5
yeah and since then we have said she is not the right fit, while her cheerleaders claimed she was a princess because she wore princess clothes. Well, guess the clothes alone proved to be insufficient and I fear she is too old and set in her ways to actually learn the trade. Therapy will help her function to a degree, but it won't give her the means to do her job and the qualifications she is so desperately wanting. Be honest to yourself and admit that you are no princess material. Living in a casino state, you should know when you should cash in and stop playing. Or you will lose it all. Quitting as princess may mean success as a mother. Continuing as is might mean losing it all eventually. paca - 100% agree
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Post by agentf on Feb 12, 2022 11:16:17 GMT -5
Whoever her backers for princesshood were (DvF?), they should have advised some finishing courses, as in learning a few things out of her comfort zone, just to habituate herself and make her aware there was a learning curve ahead instead of plunging headlong without safeguards. There's nothing worse than after the fact, learning you can't do something. However, that said, people do recover and le ridicule ne tue pas. There are people out there who seem to fit and who are guilty of far worse than faux pas. I think if she learned to fly under the radar and manage her stress, she'd be fine. yeah and since then we have said she is not the right fit, while her cheerleaders claimed she was a princess because she wore princess clothes. Well, guess the clothes alone proved to be insufficient and I fear she is too old and set in her ways to actually learn the trade. Therapy will help her function to a degree, but it won't give her the means to do her job and the qualifications she is so desperately wanting. Be honest to yourself and admit that you are no princess material. Living in a casino state, you should know when you should cash in and stop playing. Or you will lose it all. Quitting as princess may mean success as a mother. Continuing as is might mean losing it all eventually.
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Post by paca on Feb 12, 2022 17:11:17 GMT -5
I think it all depends on how she deals with things. During her time before Albert, religion didn't seem to have much room in her life. Over the years she has worn the cross more than her weddong band and in the past months religion ( or her understanding of it) seems to have taken an unproportionate part in her life. I know that to quite a number of people religion is helpful in one way or other, but turning from a non believer to the opposite sets of my alarms. I have seen it first hand in my family and at the origin was an existential crisis. What was meant to help ended up very destructive. So just like most things in her life right now, she needs to make the difference between helpful and unhelpful decisions. As an addict anything can serve as substitute: Food, sport, religion, pain killers, surgeries... even with her mistrust she needs to learn the difference between healthy and unhealthy. ANd all of it is tough and will take time as she basically needs to reprogram herself.
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Post by margarita on Feb 13, 2022 9:26:37 GMT -5
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Post by agentf on Feb 13, 2022 9:53:03 GMT -5
Or Diet Coke! For some bizarre reason, it's hugely popular as a substitute for those people 🤷🏻♀️😄 As for religion, it's so forgiving as a general rule, and neutral. If you always maintain a good contact with religion, you tend to avoid extremes in your life. Sometimes the hardest most overlooked challenge is remaining steadfast in your faith in the face of trends, competing interests, self-sabotage etc. It's too bad the recovered "12-steppers" seem to publicly grab the merit a lot of the time, when it's the ones who maintain their churches, mosques, temples, synagogues... that deserve credit for keeping that line or connection to God going. Having said that, God doesn't really need a house of worship because it's omnipresent, but people do, so it's people keeping the light on for other people. I was raised going to church every Sunday. It wasn't trendy; our friends' families didn't get dressed-up and pack themselves in the car Sunday mornings, stand/sit/kneel for 30-45 minutes in a communal setting, and so on. In fact, in my teens, I had to ask my mom if I could skip it. It made me want to faint. Surprisingly, she wasn't slavish and let me sometime stay home. In adulthood, I was the only one who still accompanied my parents. In relationships, it was harder to maintain. Then I just would go alone. Now it doesn't matter if I go, I pray almost daily at home like some people do yoga. Having said all that, I didn't go enough. Not enough to avoid some extremes in life, mostly external. It's always a work in progress. It will bind you to some people and it will separate you from other people. And it will blind you, like it will enlighten you. It's life. I think it all depends on how she deals with things. During her time before Albert, religion didn't seem to have much room in her life. Over the years she has worn the cross more than her weddong band and in the past months religion ( or her understanding of it) seems to have taken an unproportionate part in her life. I know that to quite a number of people religion is helpful in one way or other, but turning from a non believer to the opposite sets of my alarms. I have seen it first hand in my family and at the origin was an existential crisis. What was meant to help ended up very destructive. So just like most things in her life right now, she needs to make the difference between helpful and unhelpful decisions. As an addict anything can serve as substitute: Food, sport, religion, pain killers, surgeries... even with her mistrust she needs to learn the difference between healthy and unhealthy. ANd all of it is tough and will take time as she basically needs to reprogram herself.
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Post by agentf on Feb 13, 2022 9:55:21 GMT -5
It might have been a year treatment all along. It's probably best to give patients a farther deadline to complete their recovery and then shorten it, than give unreasonable expectations. For once, she may be doing something constructive to justify her absence. This one I wouldn't fault her.
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Post by paca on Feb 13, 2022 11:47:49 GMT -5
or in 2023. It s tea leaf reading. SOme unknown commentator desperately trying to make a name for herself on her cottails. It is all speculative nonsense. She doesn't even have a source to quote or anythingbeyond tabloid info. NAyone here can make more precise predictions. Best to disregard. Goes in the same category as those click bait articles.
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Post by paca on Feb 13, 2022 12:09:46 GMT -5
Or Diet Coke! For some bizarre reason, it's hugely popular as a substitute for those people 🤷🏻♀️😄 As for religion, it's so forgiving as a general rule, and neutral. If you always maintain a good contact with religion, you tend to avoid extremes in your life. Sometimes the hardest most overlooked challenge is remaining steadfast in your faith in the face of trends, competing interests, self-sabotage etc. It's too bad the recovered "12-steppers" seem to publicly grab the merit a lot of the time, when it's the ones who maintain their churches, mosques, temples, synagogues... that deserve credit for keeping that line or connection to God going. Having said that, God doesn't really need a house of worship because it's omnipresent, but people do, so it's people keeping the light on for other people. I was raised going to church every Sunday. It wasn't trendy; our friends' families didn't get dressed-up and pack themselves in the car Sunday mornings, stand/sit/kneel for 30-45 minutes in a communal setting, and so on. In fact, in my teens, I had to ask my mom if I could skip it. It made me want to faint. Surprisingly, she wasn't slavish and let me sometime stay home. In adulthood, I was the only one who still accompanied my parents. In relationships, it was harder to maintain. Then I just would go alone. Now it doesn't matter if I go, I pray almost daily at home like some people do yoga. Having said all that, I didn't go enough. Not enough to avoid some extremes in life, mostly external. It's always a work in progress. It will bind you to some people and it will separate you from other people. And it will blind you, like it will enlighten you. It's life. I think it all depends on how she deals with things. During her time before Albert, religion didn't seem to have much room in her life. Over the years she has worn the cross more than her weddong band and in the past months religion ( or her understanding of it) seems to have taken an unproportionate part in her life. I know that to quite a number of people religion is helpful in one way or other, but turning from a non believer to the opposite sets of my alarms. I have seen it first hand in my family and at the origin was an existential crisis. What was meant to help ended up very destructive. So just like most things in her life right now, she needs to make the difference between helpful and unhelpful decisions. As an addict anything can serve as substitute: Food, sport, religion, pain killers, surgeries... even with her mistrust she needs to learn the difference between healthy and unhealthy. ANd all of it is tough and will take time as she basically needs to reprogram herself. lol like being so moderate to burn women or rape small children? Or, since religion goes beyond the crhistian realm, stone people, kill women for honor etc.? The list is long of what is done for religion and I am not even putting those pseudo muslim terrorists on that list. Killing or persecuting homosexuells, killing Albinos etc. And I am not sure if those xmas and easter church goers are any better. I was raised going to church every sunday too. Though basically because my mother wanted us out of the house so she could clean it or do other things. In summer we went to the sports ground straight afterwards. Church and sport to prevent us from turning against an abusive parent. My dad left church when so called christians wouldn't allow his friend to sleep in a seamens hostel because he only got paid the next day and the christians would not take my paying dads word to vouch for his friend. So he decided not to sleep there either and left the church for good. I have had similar experiences, so I am distrusting of those who carry their faith like a shield and then act to the contrary when put to task. I do believe it can be helpful to some, but in my life I have seen too much of the damage it does. I see the purpose church had in the past, but also the abuse and misuse and the greed for money and power. None of that was in my bible and tbh I don't think that god or jesus would be best pleased with what is done in their name. Same goes for muslims. At the time Islam was a very modern religion, whereas the one practiced by many, is backward and out dated. Anyways, like every thing I think in moderation there is no harm to be religious of any kind. But these day so many like to go to extremes in everything. IMO take what is good for you, keep informed as best as you can and as much as necessary and the rest is white noise. we have choices. We can work ourselves up over little things and forget about what really matters. Or we can just read the headlines, go into details when necessary and leave the rest to other to worry about and keep our sanity instead.
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Post by agentf on Feb 13, 2022 13:01:08 GMT -5
I wish I could post or translate an article I read yesterday. Instead, I lifted a second hand quote by de Tocqueville from it, but the writer, Joseph Facal, couldn't have more succinctly and brilliantly describe the times we're in. I'll post the screengrabs. My version: we're currently in a time of aggressive composting. As for religion, I think the state at which you arrive on the doorstep of religion in this lifetime is reflected in your experience. No doubt if I climb the family tree and go back to the War of Religions, I would see much that would shake me to the core. But in this generation, my experience with church was fine* (except for the majority of Christians in my life). As children, we had the best curé - André Durant if memory serves. He was rare. Unfortunately, I was told later, some depraved husband made false accusations. I can guarantee that in his honest candour, the curé must have told that man something he didn't want to hear about himself and so in revenge, he destroyed his reputation. No one was more fair; had no favourites; never lingered or tried to hook anyone, and always just walked away after uttering something true no matter the interlocutor. You could recognize it at any age; the man had a limpid answer to everything and he was at one with his choice of career. He was a deeply happy man. Considering the source of the report, I immediately dismissed the gossip. lol like being so moderate to burn women or rape small children? Or, since religion goes beyond the crhistian realm, stone people, kill women for honor etc.? The list is long of what is done for religion and I am not even putting those pseudo muslim terrorists on that list. Killing or persecuting homosexuells, killing Albinos etc. And I am not sure if those xmas and easter church goers are any better. I was raised going to church every sunday too. Though basically because my mother wanted us out of the house so she could clean it or do other things. In summer we went to the sports ground straight afterwards. Church and sport to prevent us from turning against an abusive parent. My dad left church when so called christians wouldn't allow his friend to sleep in a seamens hostel because he only got paid the next day and the christians would not take my paying dads word to vouch for his friend. So he decided not to sleep there either and left the church for good. I have had similar experiences, so I am distrusting of those who carry their faith like a shield and then act to the contrary when put to task. I do believe it can be helpful to some, but in my life I have seen too much of the damage it does. I see the purpose church had in the past, but also the abuse and misuse and the greed for money and power. None of that was in my bible and tbh I don't think that god or jesus would be best pleased with what is done in their name. Same goes for muslims. At the time Islam was a very modern religion, whereas the one practiced by many, is backward and out dated. Anyways, like every thing I think in moderation there is no harm to be religious of any kind. But these day so many like to go to extremes in everything. IMO take what is good for you, keep informed as best as you can and as much as necessary and the rest is white noise. we have choices. We can work ourselves up over little things and forget about what really matters. Or we can just read the headlines, go into details when necessary and leave the rest to other to worry about and keep our sanity instead.[/quote]
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Post by donna on Feb 13, 2022 18:14:21 GMT -5
That is definitely flying under the radar. I think she has being trying to keep a low profile for the past ten years, which is a shame, because the role of a princess is not low-profile. However, if you see yourself as a babymama only, then keeping a low profile would be understanding. I just think that people deserve more than a low profile royal. What is the point of wasting a high profile status on someone who obviously doesn't want it?
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Post by agentf on Feb 13, 2022 19:04:33 GMT -5
I think her efforts to totally take authorship instead of listening to experienced advice have led to a lot of misfiring in her public life. It's probably why she hid so much, from embarrassment. You can fly under the radar by doing good deeds or using your influence in a positive way, without wanting to hog the spotlight away from the real ruler that people clamour for. She has grandstanded continuously in the past by her inexplicable absences at times she was expected, in a sort of reverse, negative ploy for attention. Under the radar means accepting a constructive no. 2 position that can sometimes consist of even sharing the no. 2 spot when the occasion calls for it, without having insecurity fits. But the times that are important, she should be there. And doing for her community should be rewarding enough that she'll build loyalty among the people, and she can derive a sense of belonging that way. It's not all P.R. That is definitely flying under the radar. I think she has being trying to keep a low profile for the past ten years, which is a shame, because the role of a princess is not low-profile. However, if you see yourself as a babymama only, then keeping a low profile would be understanding. I just think that people deserve more than a low profile royal. What is the point of wasting a high profile status on someone who obviously doesn't want it?
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Post by paca on Feb 18, 2022 10:28:14 GMT -5
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Post by paca on Feb 24, 2022 9:20:15 GMT -5
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Post by agentf on Feb 24, 2022 13:36:06 GMT -5
They had to fictionalize a cordial, non-awkward encounter 😉. Give it time paca and she'll work her way to a likeness. They shouldn't give her ideas! All in good fun. They dream of Michael Jordan as the biggest planetary stars...🤾🏾
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Post by donna on Feb 25, 2022 17:31:27 GMT -5
At least it is a livelier version of her. The eyes actually have some life in them, unlike with the person herself.
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Post by paca on Feb 25, 2022 20:00:20 GMT -5
as I said, I don't see a likeness...
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Post by paca on Mar 3, 2022 13:57:13 GMT -5
so, apparently CW is realizing that a return to MC would not be good for her. Yeah, I guess we can all agree on that, but she is said to plan to take the kids with her and have Albert do the travelling to see them. Well, I guess that someone needs to give her a reality check. Not going to happen. No one cares where she lives, but the kids will stay in MC, unless ALbert decides otherwise. Besides she has yet to prove that she is stable enough to look after herself, let alone those lively kids. Also, I think that ALbert has made sufficient arrangements with his wider family for them to be thoroughly looked after. Plus those nannies. The kids have stability in MC, moving them away because their mother doesn't like it there, is against their interest. Especially as heirs. So, yeah move away, but get used to visitation. And in the kids interest don't be difficult about it. Besides I am sure that ALbert will allow as much visitation as you are capable off. Just not them being moved away. Maybe, when they are older and interested, they can go to boarding school somewhere and CW can move close by, but right now they are too young and have enough to chew on their plate. So do your thing and what is best for you to get better and in a condition to be a mother again, and leave those kids where they are. They seem happy enough. www.gala.de/royals/monaco/fuerstin-charl%C3%A8ne--plant-sie-ein-neues-leben-ausserhalb-von-monaco--22610144.html
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Post by agentf on Mar 3, 2022 18:15:10 GMT -5
It does sound like wishful thinking, especially since the children are intrinsically tied to Monaco's future. so, apparently CW is realizing that a return to MC would not be good for her. Yeah, I guess we can all agree on that, but she is said to plan to take the kids with her and have Albert do the travelling to see them. Well, I guess that someone needs to give her a reality check. Not going to happen. No one cares where she lives, but the kids will stay in MC, unless ALbert decides otherwise. Besides she has yet to prove that she is stable enough to look after herself, let alone those lively kids. Also, I think that ALbert has made sufficient arrangements with his wider family for them to be thoroughly looked after. Plus those nannies. The kids have stability in MC, moving them away because their mother doesn't like it there, is against their interest. Especially as heirs. So, yeah move away, but get used to visitation. And in the kids interest don't be difficult about it. Besides I am sure that ALbert will allow as much visitation as you are capable off. Just not them being moved away. Maybe, when they are older and interested, they can go to boarding school somewhere and CW can move close by, but right now they are too young and have enough to chew on their plate. So do your thing and what is best for you to get better and in a condition to be a mother again, and leave those kids where they are. They seem happy enough. www.gala.de/royals/monaco/fuerstin-charl%C3%A8ne--plant-sie-ein-neues-leben-ausserhalb-von-monaco--22610144.html
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