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Post by Elektra on Jul 6, 2011 5:33:33 GMT -5
I can't help but feel that the vitriol and spiteful surmisings about Charlene reflect rather more badly upon the people who spew such spitefulness. Spite and malice are not pleasant attributes. Perhaps you should leave off criticising Charlene so excessively. I have given a lot of my time to volunteer work (charity) even in Africa on top of getting a M.A. and taking care of my terminately ill mother and brother for years (time and money) and all the time I earned my own money. Has Tatler ever even offered me or millions of others who do volunteer work a photo shoot?. Have I and millions of others ever been in glossy magazins holding poor brown babies? That’s what is so sick with the world and that’s why we are not so impressed by the new Princess of Monaco. If she and her followers cannot stand the heat in the kitchen they should stay out of it.
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Post by taz on Jul 6, 2011 5:42:56 GMT -5
I can't help but feel that the vitriol and spiteful surmisings about Charlene reflect rather more badly upon the people who spew such spitefulness. Spite and malice are not pleasant attributes. Perhaps you should leave off criticising Charlene so excessively. Yes, to say "Oh, she's so beautiful!" all the time is much better! I don't think we should stop criticizing her because everyone is entitled to express their own opinion and everybody in the public eye has to live with it to be criticized and so is Charlene. She's somebody who's done nothing in her life and just married for money and fame although she knows that her husband neither loves her nor respects her and that's disgusting! But the truth starts to reveal itself bit by bit...
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Post by sceptic on Jul 6, 2011 6:16:37 GMT -5
Note that I said criticise 'excessively'. I am not talking about discussion, but about the spitefulness and vitriol that is evident.
Judgements about whether or not her husband loves her, statements that she has achieved nothing, etc, are ill founded and ill judged. No one but the couple themselves knows the true state of their hearts and feelings.
Excessive sycophancy and fawning is laughable, but sheer nastiness and unremitting criticism is ugly.
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Post by hibou on Jul 6, 2011 6:28:33 GMT -5
I can't help but feel that the vitriol and spiteful surmisings about Charlene reflect rather more badly upon the people who spew such spitefulness. Spite and malice are not pleasant attributes. Perhaps you should leave off criticising Charlene so excessively. Well, I agree that spite and malice are certainly bad traits, but many here have been following Albert a very very long time, and CW for the last five years. As you will see, there are threads which are about her interviews in which she continually changes her story, untruths if you will. Basing opinions on her own words is not malice or spite. For example: I watched a video clip of Charlene putting a snake down a friends back. The friend was terrified of snakes and CW knew it. She sat there and laughed at the poor girl. Is is spite and malice for me to say I found CW's behavior mean to do that action? I think not. Just my opinion!
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Post by margarita on Jul 6, 2011 7:24:58 GMT -5
Note that I said criticise 'excessively'. I am not talking about discussion, but about the spitefulness and vitriol that is evident. Judgements about whether or not her husband loves her, statements that she has achieved nothing, etc, are ill founded and ill judged. No one but the couple themselves knows the true state of their hearts and feelings. Excessive sycophancy and fawning is laughable, but sheer nastiness and unremitting criticism is ugly. "No one but the couple themselves knows the true state of their hearts and feelings." - if so, nobody is entitled to praise her too no private person, no journalist. Nobody. But she agreed to live a life as a public person. Note: despite the fact that most of us don't like her very much for various reasons... ! it was not US who enchoraged Charlene to jump in the abbys she is obviously heading towards - undergo various plastic surgeries that made her face nearly unrecognizable and turned a healthy good looking girl into a much older looking woman with plastic face and sad eyes - taking a role she is most probably (judging FACTS and not opinions) unable to play and - to endure this role without doing serious harm to both her mentally and physical state of health (and her image) It was not US but her "friends" and adivisors and those who praised her instantly - for whatever reason (getting a piece of the cake?) And it were posters on this forum who proposed measures to Charlene how to get on her own feed and start to live a free sovereign life. To be free and sovereign is barely possible if a girl woman of 33 (as a matter of fact) has: - no high school degree - no profession (retired athlete is no profession) - no work experience in the "real world" where she would have been forced to interact with different personalities having interdependent roles in a company/ organisation/ hierarchy and in different projects/ settings for a acceptable amount of time(without having the special status she had in Monaco from day 1) - not the skills (in terms of discipline or intellect) to learn a language like French during five ! years while living in a francophone country with a francophone boy friend/ fiancé and having all needed assistance, money and time - ... judging from these activities -or rather lack thereof - not the will to change one of these facts and ever get on her own feeds Charlene was an athlete for many years and was able to train and focus with much discipline = positive . That's why I speak of "no will" and not of "no ability" to develope at least SOME of the required skills. But as a disciplined person, with values of sport an olympic spirit ... she doesn't do the things and doesn't work on the skills a wife of a (reigning!!!) Prince should have worked on and develope - for ALL THESE YEARS... That allows to draw conclusions on how she will act in future. I think it is not nastiness but rather... - life and work experience - a certain level of education - high social skills to analyze behavior - a certain level of intellect to combine all this - and love for Monaco that gives people a hard time liking or only accepting Charlene. Nonetheless it was US who so far gave her the best advices and offered the most accurate analyzes. So in the end of the day we are her real friends and that's not nasty How should a un-sovereign person be the spiritual leader of a country? How can she give backing to (a little insecure) Albert? How should she be the mother of a new sovereign ... if she isn't sovereign herself?
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Post by hibou on Jul 6, 2011 8:02:09 GMT -5
Note that I said criticise 'excessively'. I am not talking about discussion, but about the spitefulness and vitriol that is evident. Judgements about whether or not her husband loves her, statements that she has achieved nothing, etc, are ill founded and ill judged. No one but the couple themselves knows the true state of their hearts and feelings. Excessive sycophancy and fawning is laughable, but sheer nastiness and unremitting criticism is ugly. Ok, I might agree that some vocabulary (calling some one a whore might be over the line for some people, while calling some one a media-whore might not since it's been used in the general by press people) might be harsh, but people are entitled to their opinions. Do you know the Princely couple personally? If so, please DO BY ALL MEANS correct us where we are wrong. After all, most forums are about opinions. I've seen Kate Middleton and company called much worse. We try to base our opinions on interviews and photos. Photos in the words of a body language expert reveal what are called Micro expressions. Subconscious feelings. Now some call that hogwash and others see value in it. So we as observers are left to our opinions based on what we see. Some consider posting a total waste of time others see it as a diversion or entertainment. The truth is that when somebody enters public life, they are in effect opening themselves up to public opinion that's why people don't like to see the children brought into it. I saw one forum where the kids were called bastards. You have never seen that here. The kids are kept out of that sort of thing as much as possible. It's true we could tone down our vocabulary and accomplish the same thing, on the other hand, that's what a poster thinks - it's their opinion. JMO
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Post by countess on Jul 6, 2011 8:11:33 GMT -5
you smell that? .......smells like flying monkey flunkies, where's the lysol?
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Post by emmeline on Jul 6, 2011 8:20:41 GMT -5
Well...what happens now that after the wedding this forum is receiving new members that only come here to criticize US and say to us that we are a bunch of jealous bitches? Or this "spiteful and vitriol"...she, as a public person, agreed to have fans (that always say "she is gorgeous" and never come with a constructive opinions) and have "haters" (as many people call us) that will critizice her because maybe, perhaps, we can see a little bit different the things, not like others, that it seems that everything that matters is looks.
So, again: what is happening that after the wedding we are receving people that don't like the criticisim towards are Charlene? Is it too hard to handle it? Get use to it.
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Post by countess on Jul 6, 2011 8:20:44 GMT -5
with all due respect, you're don't fit in here sceptic, i think we all know why you joined and since you have nothing to add to the discussion SCAT! you seem to have joined just to stir up trouble, you've contributed nothing in any of your posts. most of us here have followed trashlene for a decade, our opinions are set and no silly sugah with an agenda has a right to come here and attack posters. TRASHLENE IS A WHORE, FATaL is a PIG>>> MY OPINION, i've formed it over the years and it's not going to change, you coming and spewing malice and showing your hand, tells me you're a flunkie or don't kow how these boards work, so heres some friendly advice>>>>UNLESS YOU WANT TO see first hand spite and malice and my real unpleasant attributes GO AWAY TROLL your posts already have reflected what a nasty piece of work you are, are you being paid by the palace or are you a friend of princess disgrace? either way, if i've got a vote you're times limited here
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Post by hibou on Jul 6, 2011 8:48:29 GMT -5
I can't help but feel that the vitriol and spiteful surmisings about Charlene reflect rather more badly upon the people who spew such spitefulness. Spite and malice are not pleasant attributes. Perhaps you should leave off criticising Charlene so excessively. I have given a lot of my time to volunteer work (charity) even in Africa on top of getting a M.A. and taking care of my terminately ill mother and brother for years (time and money) and all the time I earned my own money. Has Tatler ever even offered me or millions of others who do volunteer work a photo shoot?. Have I and millions of others ever been in glossy magazins holding poor brown babies? That’s what is so sick with the world and that’s why we are not so impressed by the new Princess of Monaco. If she and her followers cannot stand the heat in the kitchen they should stay out of it. You have my admiration for all that you have accomplished! Take care of yourself because the caregivers often take the brunt of the illness. Karma to you and prayers for your Mother and brother.
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Post by countess on Jul 6, 2011 10:15:44 GMT -5
Karma to you and prayers for your Mother and brother.
from me too! (HUG)
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Post by creativemind on Jul 6, 2011 10:32:26 GMT -5
with all due respect, you're don't fit in here sceptic, i think we all know why you joined and since you have nothing to add to the discussion SCAT! you seem to have joined just to stir up trouble, you've contributed nothing in any of your posts. most of us here have followed trashlene for a decade, our opinions are set and no silly sugah with an agenda has a right to come here and attack posters. TRASHLENE IS A WHORE, FATaL is a PIG>>> MY OPINION, i've formed it over the years and it's not going to change, you coming and spewing malice and showing your hand, tells me you're a flunkie or don't kow how these boards work, so heres some friendly advice>>>>UNLESS YOU WANT TO see first hand spite and malice and my real unpleasant attributes GO AWAY TROLL your posts already have reflected what a nasty piece of work you are, are you being paid by the palace or are you a friend of princess disgrace? either way, if i've got a vote you're times limited here OOOH TEXAS STYLE BITCH-SLAP! DON'T MESS WITH TEXAS!!!!
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Post by grandduchess on Jul 6, 2011 20:58:31 GMT -5
I have to say... I love it when trolls fly by thinking they can send us into epiphany...
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Post by cstone on Jul 6, 2011 21:10:31 GMT -5
So, again: what is happening that after the wedding we are receving people that don't like the criticisim towards are Charlene? Is it too hard to handle it? Get use to it.
not only get use to it but you better wear it and wear it proudly- its not going anywhere its here & here to stay
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Post by margarita on Jul 7, 2011 0:51:36 GMT -5
So, again: what is happening that after the wedding we are receving people that don't like the criticisim towards are Charlene? Is it too hard to handle it? cstone After the wedding with a definitly-not-happy-couple and minimum 65 Mio. $ wasted on the "run-away-bride-business-deal" headlines worldwide ... they maybe figured out that WE were the ones who predicted it. Why don't the sugars stay on the sugar bords? Because they don't believe each other.
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Post by donna on Jul 7, 2011 17:38:20 GMT -5
I can't help but feel that the vitriol and spiteful surmisings about Charlene reflect rather more badly upon the people who spew such spitefulness. Spite and malice are not pleasant attributes. Perhaps you should leave off criticising Charlene so excessively. Yawn! sniff sniff!
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Post by Elektra on Jul 8, 2011 8:30:36 GMT -5
hibou: Thank you for your kind response and your prayers. Quote Hibou:"You have my admiration for all that you have accomplished! Take care of yourself because the caregivers often take the brunt of the illness. Karma to you and prayers for your Mother and brother. " I did not want to whine but I did want to point out that there are millions of people all over the globe that do volunteer work and charity work. Without those people even the western world would face a lot of social unrest let alone the developing countries. But those people do not brag about their volunteering. Doing is the important thing not bragging about it and show off with a CV on a palace website.
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Post by cm7007 on Jul 8, 2011 21:29:33 GMT -5
hibou: Thank you for your kind response and your prayers. Quote Hibou:"You have my admiration for all that you have accomplished! Take care of yourself because the caregivers often take the brunt of the illness. Karma to you and prayers for your Mother and brother. " I did not want to whine but I did want to point out that there are millions of people all over the globe that do volunteer work and charity work. Without those people even the western world would face a lot of social unrest let alone the developing countries. But those people do not brag about their volunteering. Doing is the important thing not bragging about it and show off with a CV on a palace website. You're absolutely correct about this. I stated the same thing a few post back. This woman is a phony and it won't be long before everyone knows it.
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Post by cstone on Jul 12, 2011 7:16:45 GMT -5
Current news hmmmmm well if its true about seperate hotel rooms and seperate flights back to mc I think her currents news will be charlene's meal ticket has kick her to the curb-
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Post by grandduchess on Jul 12, 2011 16:43:15 GMT -5
Basic question that it does not seem that Fatl Al and the staff that surrounds himself witth have asked.... She does not speak the language. How is she supposed to discharge her duties as a princess? I can't see her doing much - because of the language barrier and because she's lazy.
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