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Post by hibou on Apr 25, 2012 10:19:16 GMT -5
.... if he'd married an american with class and dignity, she'd be bigger than Kate JMO heck, married anyone with class and dignity, you really think any woman with class, dignity and style would have married him?! Thirty years ago before anyone knew what he was really like, the answer would have been yes. Now it would have to be a shot gun marriage.
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Post by smt on Apr 25, 2012 10:55:51 GMT -5
you really think any woman with class, dignity and style would have married him?! Thirty years ago before anyone knew what he was really like, the answer would have been yes. Now it would have to be a shot gun marriage. Absolutely, correct. Now he's just a dirty old man/has-been
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Post by paca on Apr 26, 2012 4:44:53 GMT -5
maybe if he had married 30 years ago, then he might have turned into a completely different person?After all he might have had kids to take responsibility for. He might actualy have grown up to some degree. Besides with a decent wife he couldn't have continued to live his playboy life... But I suppose that those decent women noticed very quickly who he really was and didn't think it was worth the bother.
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Post by MyAdia on May 14, 2012 10:01:30 GMT -5
There is the possibility of tearing down Kate in order for Charlene to look perfect for her role as princess. There are those who find Kate anorexic, boring, lazy and stupid. Yes these are things that were said about her. I have read all those comments on blogs. It seems those who love Charlene hate Kate and those who love Kate can't stand Charlene. Since this is a hometown docu-drama, my guess is that they will make Kate not look so good while promoting Charlene. JMO. "It seems those who love Charlene hate Kate and those who love Kate can't stand Charlene." Hibou, you have it backward, people who hate Kate openly promote Charlene as the perfect princess to justify their hate for Kate. In most cases, these people hardly o anything about Charlene. You will see the same phenomena in haters of Letizia and especially those who hate Mary on Royal dish. Maria has openly stated that Mary is way more worse than Charlene so that is why she goes out of her way to actually promote as goodness the same qualities that she denounces in Mary - in ALL cases, Charlene's qualities/situation is 10 times worse than Mary's. We here have legitimate substantive reasons why we dislike Charlene and we have extensively list those reasons. We have dealt with people who call this hatred,. But pure hatred ware those that hate Letizia, Mary, Maxima and Kate for stated reasons and then turn around and actually promote and praise Charlene for exhibiting the same and mostly worse characteristics. Now, there are some people who dislike the other princess and who really do not care about Charlene at all - so they find no need to follow her. I am not a Mary fan, but there is no way on this earth that any sane person will claim that Mary's pre-princess pedigree and her courtship with Fred is worse than Charlene's. But as we all know, there are aq few key people on Royal Dish who have written volumes on thousands of topics about Mary finding fault in everything about her, but these same people have actually praised Charlene who possessed 10 worse the exact same qualities. They have done this because they cannot admit that Charlene (or anyone else) is worse than Mary. These people are different than most of the RoyalDishers who do not like Mary because once they turn around and praise Charlene for having worse qualities they are actually exposing their opinions as pure hatred for Mary than legitimate substantive reasons for not liking her (as most posters have done). These true haters opine relentless about Mary: - Labeled Mary as a label whore and clothes horse and mocked her for wearing too much cream in the early days (but praise Charlene as being stylish and elegant for not wearing anything but high end designer labels). -Criticize Mary for spending too much money on clothes (but praise Charlene's spending as helping the Monaco economy). -Wrote blogs and articles about Mary's pre-Fred trashy dress (but praises Charlene's hooker style as ok since she used to be a swimmer) - Mocked Mary's college education as being from a non-prestigious college and not worthy of the status she married in (but propose Charlene being a high school dropout doesn't matter since she was an elite swimmer) - Wrote numerous threads about Mary's pre-Fred employment record as being low-end jobs in business firms and thus not substantial (but excuses Charlene's lack of employment as ok since she went to the Olympics in 2000). - Criticize Mary for having a name only job once she moved to Denmark (but saying it is ok if Charlene didn't have a job since she didn't know if Albert would marry her - Charlene actually bragged about not working and living a luxurious lifestyle)) - Criticize Mary for actually for smiling at the press during her courtship with Fred (but excused all the numerous interviews and photos shoots Charlene did, including an interview about the details of her first date with Albert) - Relentlessly criticized Mary's professor father for receiving a short-term professorhip in Denmark mainly because he is Mary's father (but excusing Charlene's not-working brother who moved to Monaco permanently even before an engagement, her not-working mother moving to Monaco permanently before the wedding and her other brother and father making money off of Charlene's new status). - Claim Fred's tears at his wedding as Mary walked down the aisle as proof that Fred and Mary have a loveless marriage (but denying actual photos of Albert covrting with other women, paternity test requests from possibly two women, and Albert's grimace and lack of any affection to Charlene during the wedding as proof of a loveless marriage) - Criticize Mary's still accented Danish after living in denmark for 10 years (but insist Charlene doesn't have to learn French and excuse her for not having to learn french after living in Monaco for 7 years now because most people in Monaco speak English. By the way, don't most Danes speak English? - Miminmize Mary for having an extremely high approval rating by the Danes because the Danes like Mary because they only care about the superficial shell that Mary shows and Danes love Fred which is why they love Mary (but excuse Charlene for being hated by the people in Monaco because the people in Monaco are trashy and Charlene is better than them) - Criticize Mary for looking like a man (but actually praise Charlene as being stylish demure a d elegantly looking even claiming that Charlotte is the masculine looking one) I can write so much more comparisons like those above, but I think you get my drift. Seriously, you know who these people are and there is not reasoning with them since there is no reason with hatred.
The sad thing is that Charlene actually believes that these haters praise of her is because of intrinsic goodness in her qualities instead of their extremely nonsensical attempt of justifying their hatred of Mary, Kate, Letizia, Maxima, etc.
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Post by grimnir on Jun 26, 2012 9:31:52 GMT -5
Just in case you can receive German television: this evening, 20.15 local time, German ZDF will broadcast "Finally princess", about Waity and barbie.
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Post by taz on Jun 26, 2012 13:31:02 GMT -5
You can watch it here It's just hilarious! CC's dad is talking... ;D I'll post a short summary after I've watched the whole show.
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Post by margarita on Jun 27, 2012 4:11:05 GMT -5
www.faz.net/aktuell/feuilleton/medien/zdf-doku-endlich-prinzessin-mehr-kitsch-geht-nicht-11798897.htmlOOOOUUUTTCHHH! FAZ or "Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung" is one of the serious daily newspapers. They are writing down the ZDF documentary about Kate and Charlene! They say it was absolutely kitschy and superficial. Franzi van Almsick was quoted to have never seen such a calm bride (Charlene) yet another time trying to convince that the "run away story" was just spread by people who envy the couple. No information about the background (education and upbringing) and how they both managed their first year in the new big shoes. OK - as for Kate: this article isn't doing any damage to her image. She is already flying high and is established as "perfect happy Princess". AS FOR CHARLENE: Who is struggling to not fall off her high horse ... this article is a slap into the face of her and Monacos!When a serious German newspaper writes down a docu about Monaco's flagship and states that Kate has had a top education while nothing was said about Charlenes.... and about Charlenes and Alberts love that tehy share many interests, are good friends and have the same humor = lukewarm relation instead of big love: ... the capital of Romance needs a new strategy ASAP!!!
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Post by paca on Jun 27, 2012 4:58:33 GMT -5
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Post by margarita on Jun 27, 2012 5:34:59 GMT -5
Paca - you're right: the negativity is directet rather against the makers and not the protagonists. But reading between the lines (for instance: background of the protagonists, education ...) it clearly says the makers couldn't go deeper without negatively portraying Charlene They kind of had to stay on the surface due to Charlene. JMO
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Post by agentf on Jun 27, 2012 6:22:29 GMT -5
Last I checked Paris and even Venice were capitals of romance. Monaco?! There's no comparison between an excellent education which the Middletons placed their bets on for a good marriage, and the type of absent education CC has though her parents must be congratulating themselves on such economy of investment in their only daughter with the current result. In the long run however, it's a handicap to CC to have no upbringing, no high road to take when her options recede. I think it's overall very sad. At least in the article, they couldn't lump CC and the myth of Diana since Kate was mentioned and the myth stayed in the family rather than be appropriated by the wannabe princess. I think it's not too late for CC to steer herself towards a real mentor, go to finishing school in Switzerland to learn the basics of being a lady so she can at least with age give off the impression of some class. The way she's going about it now, wanting to rewrite a modern story - with the limited tools she has - is an insult to those around. You can't win when you don't know yourself.
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Post by MyAdia on Jun 27, 2012 7:27:32 GMT -5
Hi everyone, I cannot contribute much since I only have sporadic internet access or the next few days. So, please try to keep things organized as best as possible., i moved pots from three different threads about the ZDF into this thread. Please, continue to discuss the documentary here. I really would love to read the German commentators about it.
It's about time someone has decided to even bring up the subject that NO ONE talks about Charlene's lack of education. I would LOVE LOVE LOVE for someone to finally set the record straight and ask this con artist at exactly what GRADE did she dropped out or what was the highest grade she completed. Thus far, Charlene has LIED or manipulated her words to hide he truth about her education. In Feb 2006, she told Paris Match that she left home at 17 (she craftily didn't say at what age she left school) she had very poor grades in school because she didn't care about school only swimming. Then in an 2009 interview with the Italian magazine "A" (during the AmfAR gala) Charlene stated that she dropped out of school at 18 because she had to travel four hours in he morning to train at a swimming pool - the con artist tried to make herself a martyr for her sport since she had to sacrifice her education. After the engagement, the Monaco press reported that Charlene left school at 16.
So, which is it Charlene? 16? 17? or 18? Better yet, which GRADE did you dropped out at?
Charlene, it shouldn't really matter now if you tell the truth. You already struck gold and caught the biggest sucker in Monaco. Albert, unlike William, has definitely shown his people and the world that having a Princess a Monaco with any type of intelligence or capability to hold a basic conversation is NOT a requirement for Monaco and definitely not for himself.
Thanks everyone for all the input. I'm losing my connection.
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Post by paca on Jun 27, 2012 7:37:57 GMT -5
LOL trashys permanent excuse for not doing anything with her life is swimming. That's on the same level as the dog ate my homework... a typical narcist excuse. They actually think that the rest of the world is as dumb as they are. Or actually dumber considering that they actually believe that people are buying this excuse...
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Post by MyAdia on Jun 27, 2012 7:40:27 GMT -5
We had predicted that not one of the Middletons would participate in this documentary - as opposed to the Trashstocks who would NEVER pass up an opportunity in the press to boast about Charlene striking gold with Monaco's biggest sucker. I bet these people are still pinching themselves about their new fortunes and forever being taken care of by Albert's money. Were we right?
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Post by paca on Jun 27, 2012 7:53:06 GMT -5
Kate does not need people to lie for her and make up a CVfor her. It is on public record. Anyone can see. Interesting is that Riekel finds it necessary to state that Kate and Will were not madly in love in the beginning. No one ever said they were. It is well known that both dated different people at the time. So why does Riekel feel it is important to say this? Because there is no doubt that there is no lovestory between Assbert and trashy? Does she really think that putting one lovestory down makes the other one exist? Only idiots and children think that by putting others down they get better themselves. These attempts from Bunte to protect the princess with a speed dial button for Bunte is beyond ridiculous. COnsidering that this has been done quite some time ago, I doubt that these days they would be tooting the same horn. After all they published her surgeries (or at least some of it) and trashy is no longer spoon feeding them info. They had to read from others about her whereabouts instead of being the first to report it....
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Post by taz on Jun 29, 2012 11:26:32 GMT -5
I transcribed the first part of the interview but I don't know if I'll do the rest it's really annoying to watch this video over and over... So here it is: Don't rush it: this is also true for another popular highness, Prince Albert of Monaco, the passionate marriage-refusnik. In 2006 at the Olympic Games the Prince seemed newly in love. A premiere: Albert happy in public, but who's the mysterious beauty by his side? Charlene Wittstock - a swimmer from South Africa? With model quality? Is this the way a princess is supposed to looks like? Charlene is from Benoni, a suburb of Johannesburg in South Africa. Here she grew up with her parents and two younger brothers. C's dad: "Charlene was a tomboy. She had more bruises and scratches than any other kid coming home from playing outside. I've never seen such a dirty child. I think that's why she was so successful and could handle the swimming so well because we raised her that way." She started her swimming career at the age of 5, training on 6 days a week and on Sundays often participating in competitions, little Charlene was disciplined and ambitious. C's dad: "When it came to the swimming she made no compromises, she left out all the teenage party years and swam and I'm proud of her for what she did. Charlene, who has German ancestors, is the first one in her family to get fame and honor. At the olympics 2000 in Sydney she finished 5th with her team and in 2002 she won three gold medals at the Swimming World Cup. It was only a matter of time until the sports fan and son of the Prince of Monaco noticed her. 2001 was their fateful year as Charlene came to Monaco for the Mare Nostrum Competition and met Albert. But at first nothing happened after the first date, 8500KM separated them and the bachelor was very popular, charming and a billionaire - there were two illegitimate children but no legal heir. But Charlene was patient and in 2007 she moved to Monaco on a trial basis, the official reason was: "because of the better training conditions". She came from a different world but nevertheless: Dagmar Schuhmacher (society expert): "They have the same interests, complement one another and I believe that they are very good buddies and have the same humor." The Prince's girlfriend changed flip-flops and bathing suit to stilettos and haute couture and cut a good figure. She resembled more and more Albert's mother, Grace Kelly, at least from the outside. The rumor mill was buzzing - Albert denied wedding rumors. Jo-Anne Strauss (C's friend): "She has waited for a long time everybody was like is anything going to happen?" 4 years went by but Charlene had a clear goal in mind: to become first lady of Monaco. She had to endure a lot for that: Patricia Riekel (editor-in-chief of Bunte): "A lot of people thought that Charlene wasn't the appropriate bride, her background, her incomplete education, the fact that she doesn't speak French. The French are very sensitive when their language is concerned." Not easy for a girl from South Africa: Dagmar Schuhmacher (journalist): She didn't have her own office, no spokesperson. They often didn't give her good advice, they sometimes simply left her high and dry. In June 2010 the Swedish royal family celebrated a special wedding: 500 million people watched the royals entering the cathedral in Stockholm. People were astonished by one thing: Prince Albert brought his girlfriend - without a marriage certificate - that never happened before on a royal wedding. Stephane Bern (confidant of the princely family): "The protocol dept. at the royal palace in Sweden were scratching their heads about the rank they should give Mlle Wittstock they couldn't just place her in between the royals and heads of state although Albert is a head of state - very complicated." Despite of the difficulties for the protocol dept. they reacted tactfully and placed the longterm girlfriend of Albert between the royals but behind her Prince. And apparently the dream wedding of Victoria and Daniel was inspiring for Albert. Patricia Riekel (journalist): "Albert was so touched by this love match and the Swedes that he decided more or less spontaneously to get engaged. He wanted to have that, too." 3 days later he also decided: C's dad: "I'll be in time put my TV on when Albert called me and said to me: "How are you?" And I said "fine" and he said to me: "I think it's time that the young lady gets a ring on her finger. Is that ok with you?" I said: "Albert that's fantastic. My son Gareth celebrates his birthday today in Monaco you should stop by that way you can celebrate both occasions." And then I said: "Look, will this take long I'm watching soccer and they already sing the hymns." Then he laughed and put the phone down."
On June 23rd 2010 the news is spread around the world: Prince Albert gets engaged to the South African Charlene Wittstock.
Monaco has glamor, too. Two months after the wedding of Kate and William the Monegasques look forward to a special celebration: the first princely wedding in 55 years. For years she discreetly stayed in the back now the limelight is hers.
Barsi: "Mlle, today for the first time I can welcome you officially in our cathedral. You can be sure that the Monegasques people have already taken you to their hearts."
And so did their Prince who finally settled for a woman with special qualities:
Jo-Anne Strauss (C's friend): "There's a great sense of maturity and she has grown with her duties and she's still a fun loving person and I appreciate it and she has class but she's still like she was, the fun young woman from South Africa."
The fairytale wedding from Monaco is a big challenge for the small country - the second smallest in the world.
I think it's astonishing that the Bunte woman confirms basically everything we said. What happened?! Since when is Bunte so critical and honest?!
And isn't it romantic how Albert asked for her hand?! My dad would have said no! ;D But Daddy Wittstock was more concerned about a soccer match and the main goal was to get Albert to marry his dumb daughter anyway so they all accepted whatever Albert did.
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Post by hibou on Jun 29, 2012 12:01:00 GMT -5
Thank Taz! Yup we were right all along. Albert sounds like an idiot. I cannot believe how he asked Pa Wittstock. One thing that is interesting is that PA Wittstock was the one Charlene selected to blab to the press at the beginning. Then he was told to shut up once Charlene started calling Bunte herself. Now he's talking again. The whole thing is just really pathetic, and Barsi is the worst sycophant of them all as far as I'm concerned. At least the Pope had sense to cancel his trip. JMO.
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Post by agentf on Jun 29, 2012 12:07:49 GMT -5
I guess Strauss must be the forum brawler judging by the pugilism of her remarks.
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Post by MyAdia on Jul 1, 2012 7:33:23 GMT -5
Wow, Taz thank you so much! This transcript is just one more piece of evidence of how much con artists this family is and just more proof of their trashiness. Also, the comments from Charlene's favorite mouthpiece - Bunte - show the lengths Charlene went to currying favors with the media, especially Bunte, to get them to write enough sugary crap about her to convince the biggest sucker in Monaco to marry her. Well done Constocks, you found the perfect fool in Albert.
I also read an article that stated that Sean Wittstock bragged how they partied until 8 am in the morning after the wedding. These people are extremely happy that they struck such gold in Monaco.
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Post by MyAdia on Jul 1, 2012 7:37:18 GMT -5
Please don't forget, Albert didn't eally on his own decide to ask Charlene's father's her hand in marriage. Once he proposed (or had his aide to propose as a reliable sourc e stated), Charlene told Albert to call her father before she put the ring on her finger. Please remember, Charlene learned everything from reading the royal message boards and all the other princes asked permission from their brides to be's fathers. Charlene anted to have the same bragging rights even though her story is actually a trashy one.
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Post by paca on Jul 1, 2012 7:49:02 GMT -5
I might be wrong, but don't you have to ask permission from the parents first and then propose? I think that's how Will did it...
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