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Post by margarita on Jan 15, 2013 4:02:58 GMT -5
LMAO so funny the recounts of the visit - Paca and MadameConcorde you had me howling laughing! Re: white - WTF !!!! Could they have picked a worse dress? Hmmm??? I think the problem is: a) Monaco got rid of good adivsors and no good people find their way to MC nowadays. Guess why... b) Charlene has advisors who tell her to dress/ behave inappropriately for a reason... c) Charlene does not listen to anyone because she is so full of herself and once it is forbidden to criticize the Family Prince in Monaco there is no one who can be honest to her... (Which is why her trolls are lurking in here - hello ! Tell her to go if you like her. Now. )
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Post by paca on Jan 15, 2013 6:37:43 GMT -5
I think the correct answer is C. SHe doesn't take advice. Ever. She has her little pea brain and a lot of pictures from other royals. And a long mirror to practice for the cameras. she has never cared for protocol and Albert hasn't made her either. He dislikes conflict and confrontation, so he let's her run the show. Unless Albert really get's sick of her, there is noone who can do anything about it. And she does stroke ALberts ego and knows how to play the victim. she probably took a lot o pages out of DIs winge book. ONly with Albert it's working. For now. I think once Kates baby is there and the mediago gaga over the baby and Kate continuing to do her job without fail, he might change his mind. And interestingly he will be attending another Swedish wedding, be reminded of the wedding that started it, see the happy couples, one of them with a baby, see all the other royals, also those who know their adopted countrys language well enough to converse in it, see how happy those couples are and then see his own marriage. And then just shortly afterwards smiling Kate will pop out a baby. And he has still no heir to show or a hint of a pregnancy. Only a miserable wife. The part of the good advisors....well, the last one left with Allavena. It all went downhill from there. As to b she having advisors to get it wrong? Hm from the beginning she was hell bent to get it wrong. Due to C. She has no need for anyone advising her to go wrong. She is master in doing that herself. the trouble is that no one seems to be pointing out to Albert how inappropritae she is. He does seem to notice a little, but not enough. And he doesn't seem to realize that other, smarter women managed to adapt perfectly well to their role and country, so the problem is not the role or the country, it's the personality. It was a personality problem with Di too and a bit of awkwardness on the windsors part, but Di wasn't new to the country nor to the protocol. She knew what to expect, but didn't want to accept it. She was also not very bright. She only had her natural prettyness working for her and she knew better how to relate to people with her own intellectual level. Also she was authentic, whereas trashy is always trying to model herself on someone else. ANd that is why people don't warm to her. And the few times she is her real self she is so crass and offputting, that se loses the few she managed to con. trashy can not allow herself to be authentic, because she knows that people didn't take not of her then nor did they like her. The other princesses, especially Maxima, have managed to adopt their roles and stay who they are. They are credible to people and that is why the are accepted. With trashy her operated face already spells it out to everyone before she even opens her mouth: she is a fake. Nothing with her is real. And even the fake has nothing likeable about her. She would already improve if she could finally learn to walk properly and not like a Kackstelze.
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Post by agentf on Jan 15, 2013 7:53:32 GMT -5
The forecast after the next Swedish wedding is assuming Albert is his own man. I'm sticking now to the theory of the backroom agenda concerning South Africa. Whether the egg came before the chicken, that Monaco was sollicited to help prop South Africa or that interests dovetailed into Albert's attraction to CC, there is something that feels irreversible when you think that a deal has been made. I think CC has with her an equally inept team of under qualified dimwits at that Vivid brand management place that spells that no matter how wrong they get it, they have LVMH in the background to sanction them therefore they think taste is automatically implied in whatever they do. So I think she does have a team of "advisors". The difference here is that we're using cosmopolitan standards to evaluate CC whereas her South African roots are desperately trying to claw their way into the semblance of style or respectability (insert massive cough) so essentially she comes to epitomize the struggle that ill-gotten African tyrants' money has in trying to get accepted by the traditional jet-set. It's not quite like the nouveaux riches knocking at the gate, but instead the white girl sent as decoy to let the doors be flung open for them. She's a mascot of a less than noble struggle that the African despot has to find a community where his wealth would usually warrant the society, except that some of the rich still will not associate with them. Monaco becomes the platform for that experiment. Albert's weakness is the perfect entry point used by those who look for the weak link that will let them in. Bottom line, Albert may be scared of the retaliation ifhe dumped CC. God, that was wordy even for me!
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Post by margarita on Jan 15, 2013 7:56:14 GMT -5
I think the correct answer is C. SHe doesn't take advice. Ever. She has her little pea brain and a lot of pictures from other royals. And a long mirror to practice for the cameras. she has never cared for protocol and Albert hasn't made her either. He dislikes conflict and confrontation, so he let's her run the show. Unless Albert really get's sick of her, there is noone who can do anything about it. And she does stroke ALberts ego and knows how to play the victim. she probably took a lot o pages out of DIs winge book. ONly with Albert it's working. For now. I think once Kates baby is there and the mediago gaga over the baby and Kate continuing to do her job without fail, he might change his mind. And interestingly he will be attending another Swedish wedding, be reminded of the wedding that started it, see the happy couples, one of them with a baby, see all the other royals, also those who know their adopted countrys language well enough to converse in it, see how happy those couples are and then see his own marriage. And then just shortly afterwards smiling Kate will pop out a baby. And he has still no heir to show or a hint of a pregnancy. Only a miserable wife. The part of the good advisors....well, the last one left with Allavena. It all went downhill from there. As to b she having advisors to get it wrong? Hm from the beginning she was hell bent to get it wrong. Due to C. She has no need for anyone advising her to go wrong. She is master in doing that herself. the trouble is that no one seems to be pointing out to Albert how inappropritae she is. He does seem to notice a little, but not enough. And he doesn't seem to realize that other, smarter women managed to adapt perfectly well to their role and country, so the problem is not the role or the country, it's the personality. It was a personality problem with Di too and a bit of awkwardness on the windsors part, but Di wasn't new to the country nor to the protocol. She knew what to expect, but didn't want to accept it. She was also not very bright. She only had her natural prettyness working for her and she knew better how to relate to people with her own intellectual level. Also she was authentic, whereas trashy is always trying to model herself on someone else. ANd that is why people don't warm to her. And the few times she is her real self she is so crass and offputting, that se loses the few she managed to con. trashy can not allow herself to be authentic, because she knows that people didn't take not of her then nor did they like her. The other princesses, especially Maxima, have managed to adopt their roles and stay who they are. They are credible to people and that is why the are accepted. With trashy her operated face already spells it out to everyone before she even opens her mouth: she is a fake. Nothing with her is real. And even the fake has nothing likeable about her. She would already improve if she could finally learn to walk properly and not like a Kackstelze. Did I ever say I enjoy your posts, paca
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Post by hibou on Jan 15, 2013 10:09:37 GMT -5
I think we need to change the thread title from January 12, 2012 to January 12 2013.
I think Charlene wore white because some idiot told her to wear it and she and Albert (at this point) truly believe they are royal. I think the Vatican covered for them diplomatically - either that or the Vatican needed a bucket load of cash in which case, Albert bought himself a very expensive white dress. JMO.
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Post by smt on Jan 15, 2013 10:55:14 GMT -5
I think we need to change the thread title from January 12, 2012 to January 12 2013. I think Charlene wore white because some idiot told her to wear it and she and Albert (at this point) truly believe they are royal. I think the Vatican covered for them diplomatically - either that or the Vatican needed a bucket load of cash in which case, Albert bought himself a very expensive white dress. JMO. Oops! I started the thread ---
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Post by paca on Jan 15, 2013 11:45:42 GMT -5
or maybe they covered for her and in return made clear that there will not be a pope visiting any time soon. After all that's what MC had their hopes on and that has been cancelled. Apparently it wasn't even mentioned. NOthing is reported that Albert repeated his invite. Basically I think the entire visit was the consolation prize for the annuled visit if it ever really was considered. I remember that they wanted to have the choir to sing for the pope and that was cancelled. In the beginning there was heaps of preparation going on and loads of talk. Then it petered out and eventually it was said that it had been cancelled. But the entire charade dragged on for almost 2 years. So I guess they send their diplomat once in a while over and he asks, they throw him a bone, saying yes maybe, he reports home, everyone get's all worked up, thinking that the are actually considered important to a degree and then it ends up with the usual nothing. I also don't think that the MC diplomat get's particularly far with anything, but repoprts home on some nothings makin them more important then they are. MC is just not on anyones agenda and they are deluding themselves that they are. Personally I think these days it really isn't that important anymore what you are wearing to see the pope. It used to be white tie for the guys and these days the men all go in their regular head of state work clothes. Nothing special. So there really is no need to wear anything special anymore because the church has made itself common. Maybe they think it makes them look modern if they are less strict on formalities, but it is other things that makes them look backward. I think everyone would think it is ok to have certain dress code, to mark the occasion. People are used to doing so for their own private special occasions as well. It is other matter where they need to be more modern or more rigourous to earn respect. their way of dealing with the pedophile problem to start with...
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Post by hibou on Jan 15, 2013 14:16:24 GMT -5
I think we need to change the thread title from January 12, 2012 to January 12 2013. I think Charlene wore white because some idiot told her to wear it and she and Albert (at this point) truly believe they are royal. I think the Vatican covered for them diplomatically - either that or the Vatican needed a bucket load of cash in which case, Albert bought himself a very expensive white dress. JMO. Oops! I started the thread --- LOL You're flagged on the champagne!
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Post by agentf on Jan 15, 2013 17:01:39 GMT -5
Or sometimes you nod in agreement as the Vatican is doing, just so the story of their visit doesn't get fed by the controversy of wearing something inappropriate. It is done. Can't be undone.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2013 18:37:20 GMT -5
So in other words the pope was not wondering about her fertility or importance of the heir of Monaco counting that being a private matter of the couple.
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Post by margarita on Jan 16, 2013 1:51:26 GMT -5
The forecast after the next Swedish wedding is assuming Albert is his own man. I'm sticking now to the theory of the backroom agenda concerning South Africa. Whether the egg came before the chicken, that Monaco was sollicited to help prop South Africa or that interests dovetailed into Albert's attraction to CC, there is something that feels irreversible when you think that a deal has been made. I think CC has with her an equally inept team of under qualified dimwits at that Vivid brand management place that spells that no matter how wrong they get it, they have LVMH in the background to sanction them therefore they think taste is automatically implied in whatever they do. So I think she does have a team of "advisors". The difference here is that we're using cosmopolitan standards to evaluate CC whereas her South African roots are desperately trying to claw their way into the semblance of style or respectability (insert massive cough) so essentially she comes to epitomize the struggle that ill-gotten African tyrants' money has in trying to get accepted by the traditional jet-set. It's not quite like the nouveaux riches knocking at the gate, but instead the white girl sent as decoy to let the doors be flung open for them. She's a mascot of a less than noble struggle that the African despot has to find a community where his wealth would usually warrant the society, except that some of the rich still will not associate with them. Monaco becomes the platform for that experiment. Albert's weakness is the perfect entry point used by those who look for the weak link that will let them in. Bottom line, Albert may be scared of the retaliation ifhe dumped CC. God, that was wordy even for me! Agentf - intuitively I smelled some S.A. thing from the moment I read this article about Albert and Charlene with this black woman quoted saying something like SHE has made them meet and get together ect. It was in the context of a big party. Didn't someone write in one of the past forums that Charlene and Albert re-met at a New Years Party in South Africa or somethng like that? They split up and then they re-met in S.A. and came together (again?). It was not that they were a couple right after he met her at Mare Nostrum in MC. What stroke me most about Charlene was the media campain from day one! She blubbed to the press about love and couple in Turin = first time in public with him - (usually Albert would have dumped everyone for that) - but nothing happened. Instead the media were all like Ohh - the new Grace! And this was heated on by ... Stahl, who was advisor to Albert at this time. To establish Charlene in Monaco was easy: 1) make a huge -international- media campain (I doubt Albert's money were used at this point but wonder who gave it ...) and 2) rise the pressure on Albert (wedding/ heir) -inside Monaco- 3) then put the things together and convince him (see: Swedish Wedding) that marriyng Charlene would be THE way to boost MC's economy and image. 4) Use his money and MONACO's money to heat on the Charlene-next-Grace-thing ... and the fact that Albert hasn't got the balls to get out of this and the fact that it is easy to isolate him from anyone who would speak truth-to-power. (The monegasque people can't tell Albert the naked truth and foreign people ... well I know someone who was ready to do that - wrote a letter to Albert offering a plan B strategy before the wedding but did not get through to him. There is no way to contact him at all.) Stahl herself gave a interview to a German paper (I think BUNTE) and was the mastermind of that IMAGE AND STRATEGY campain. SHE declared Charlene to be the new Flag ship of Monaco. NO OTHER COUNTRY declared a foreign bride (who has not even finished school...) the new Flag ship of the entire nation even before the wedding! Hello?!? Whome Stahl served before Albert of Monaco? Wasn't it al-Gaddafi? And right after the wedding Chriastiane Stahl was gone. Job done. I find that very, very strange... At least one thing is pretty sure: the marionette in Monaco is not backed by the Russian mafia ;D. They would have sent Albert a pretty young girl, fluent in many languages, who had finished University and had enough brain to master the role - unlike Trashy. And, oh ... I forgot: fertile!
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Post by paca on Jan 16, 2013 6:48:27 GMT -5
they did not split up as they did not officially have a relationship. Trashy was his booty call. And after his dad died there was this article that his people were on the look out for a woman willing to go on a marriaga blanc with possible IVF baby. They had a list of women they wanted to approach. One of them was a Bush niece. At the time it sounded ludicrous, but when he came up with trashy and they actually did marry, I thought that this was probably exactly what happened. Too bad no one kept that article. It was posted on the old forums. So if anyone by any chance still has it would be great to repost it. It shows you what they were looking for and then what they eventually came up with because all decent women declined. No one wanted that deal except trashy. That's the only reason why I think she ever wanted to run away. She only wanted to up her price and prolong her stay. Or escape the IVF clause.
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Post by countess on Jan 16, 2013 9:10:14 GMT -5
UGH i'd have to take a shower if i'd been in the same room as those 3 (an idiot, a nazi youth and a concubine , really doesn't get lower than that) YUCK you can't find 3 people i despise or think less of (not counting despots and tea baggers)
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Post by countess on Jan 16, 2013 9:10:37 GMT -5
UGH i'd have to take a shower if i'd been in the same room as those 3 (an idiot, a nazi youth and a concubine , really doesn't get lower than that) YUCK you can't find 3 people i despise or think less of (not counting despots and tea baggers)
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Post by hibou on Jan 16, 2013 20:05:37 GMT -5
they did not split up as they did not officially have a relationship. Trashy was his booty call. And after his dad died there was this article that his people were on the look out for a woman willing to go on a marriaga blanc with possible IVF baby. They had a list of women they wanted to approach. One of them was a Bush niece. At the time it sounded ludicrous, but when he came up with trashy and they actually did marry, I thought that this was probably exactly what happened. Too bad no one kept that article. It was posted on the old forums. So if anyone by any chance still has it would be great to repost it. It shows you what they were looking for and then what they eventually came up with because all decent women declined. No one wanted that deal except trashy. That's the only reason why I think she ever wanted to run away. She only wanted to up her price and prolong her stay. Or escape the IVF clause. paca I remember the article. We all had a good laugh at the list, and Charlene wasn't on it. I guess everyone on it turned him down. It was a bit arrogant of him to think they would all be lining up at his door to get the job. Albert himself said about Charlene that she wanted the job.
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Post by agentf on Jan 16, 2013 20:50:06 GMT -5
I would have made Monaco my little oyster alas in those years I hadn't developed womb envy towards Caroline for the gorgeous interesting daughter she raised. I'm always fashionably late to even my life's events. Suffice it to say I would have adored my subjects I'm here in spirit. It's not all lost. My hobby is being the fantasy Queen of Monaco's hearts. Sigh!
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Post by paca on Jan 17, 2013 8:59:07 GMT -5
here are some pics in PM. I think it is very noticeable that thee is almost always a huge gap between the 2 men and trashy. It almost appears as if they don't want anything to do with her...despite the innocent white. She looks mainly bored in all the pics. With regards to Albert I can only say that now I get STephs sudden interest in saving elephants. He has been gaining enourmous weight. Look at the cut of his pants and jacket. At his age Rainier was a lot slimmer then Albert and Rainier was chubby throughout his life. www.parismatch.com/Royal-Blog/Monaco/Photos/Charlene-et-Albert-recus-par-le-pape/Rencontre-457907/
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Post by hibou on Jan 17, 2013 11:00:51 GMT -5
here are some pics in PM. I think it is very noticeable that thee is almost always a huge gap between the 2 men and trashy. It almost appears as if they don't want anything to do with her...despite the innocent white. She looks mainly bored in all the pics. With regards to Albert I can only say that now I get STephs sudden interest in saving elephants. He has been gaining enourmous weight. Look at the cut of his pants and jacket. At his age Rainier was a lot slimmer then Albert and Rainier was chubby throughout his life. www.parismatch.com/Royal-Blog/Monaco/Photos/Charlene-et-Albert-recus-par-le-pape/Rencontre-457907/The Pope is looking frail in these photos. In a couple of the photos, Charlene is looking like a woman in her mid-60's. Albert has indeed gained weight again. He has to be asking for a stroke or heart attack given the Kelly family history. JMO.
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Post by paca on Jan 17, 2013 11:55:03 GMT -5
yeah it begs the question of what will come first: the stroke or the divorce....
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Post by agentf on Jan 17, 2013 12:27:56 GMT -5
CC probably brings Albert all kinds of artery-clogging foods to eat and sweets for desserts. If a stroke doesn't get him, an overdose of insuline when he becomes diabetic wouldn't be far behind. I'd watch my back. The Pope looks great for 86 IMO and could you blame him for spacing out during this audience? No whiff of a JP1 scandal there though with some of the controversial statements he used to make, I'd be careful (what am I saying I'M always making those ) Nevertheless, fighting the devil who has free reign on the planet these days would be tiring. ((((((((((((((((Ben))))))))))))))))
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