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Post by emmeline on Apr 15, 2011 12:36:58 GMT -5
Hello! I was thinking that in this thread we could share opinions about why Caroline should take the throne of Monaco. I was thinking in calling the thread "100 reasons for Caroline to rule Monaco" but i guess there are many more reasons than just 100, lol. But if MyaAdia wants to change the title, there's no problem Here are my reasons: *Because she is the older sister of the Grimaldis siblings *Because monegasques love her *Because she is smarter than Albert, and she knows it (and Albert knows it too) *Because she already has heirs, two males and two females, and the 3 olders are in the right age to inherit in any time. *Because she has to come accross difficult times (her second husband's death, her mother's death) and she always made it with dignity. *Because she is the heir, and Albert the spare *Because she knows how to speak french (not like Trashy) and speaks 4 more languages *Because her male heirs have potential wives already *Because she is the image of glamour in Monaco *Because she is the only good thing that has Monaco right now. *Because she cares for her country *Because she is very intelligent and very cultured, and every foreign dignitary has been impressed by her *Because she is been "the first Lady of Monaco" for almost 30 years *Because is not fair that a high school drop out that can't say two words in a proper french (or even english) has to replace her. *Because she was born to rule (or that's what i've been told it says in her astrological chart) And there are many more, but i can't think of anything else. What do you think?
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Post by MyAdia on Apr 15, 2011 12:45:11 GMT -5
Emmeline the title is great! The list is so extensive, I cannot think of anything to add right now. I like Caroline, but I was never part of the "Camp Caroline to over throw Albert." But now, I truly believe an Albert rule with Charlene as the Princess of Monaco is the kiss of death for Monaco. His choice in Charlene shows without a doubt this man really doesn't care about Monaco's best interest or perhaps just doesn't know what is Monaco's best interest. Seriously. Monaco will go down hill faster than Fat Albert in a bobsleigh.
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Post by cm7007 on Apr 15, 2011 15:37:47 GMT -5
Hello! I was thinking that in this thread we could share opinions about why Caroline should take the throne of Monaco. I was thinking in calling the thread "100 reasons for Caroline to rule Monaco" but i guess there are many more reasons than just 100, lol. But if MyaAdia wants to change the title, there's no problem Here are my reasons: *Because she is the older sister of the Grimaldis siblings *Because monegasques love her *Because she is smarter than Albert, and she knows it (and Albert knows it too) *Because she already has heirs, two males and two females, and the 3 olders are in the right age to inherit in any time. *Because she has to come accross difficult times (her second husband's death, her mother's death) and she always made it with dignity. *Because she is the heir, and Albert the spare *Because she knows how to speak french (not like Trashy) and speaks 4 more languages *Because her male heirs have potential wives already *Because she is the image of glamour in Monaco *Because she is the only good thing that has Monaco right now. *Because she cares for her country *Because she is very intelligent and very cultured, and every foreign dignitary has been impressed by her *Because she is been "the first Lady of Monaco" for almost 30 years *Because is not fair that a high school drop out that can't say two words in a proper french (or even english) has to replace her. *Because she was born to rule (or that's what i've been told it says in her astrological chart) And there are many more, but i can't think of anything else. What do you think? DITTO!!!
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Post by cm7007 on Apr 15, 2011 15:38:24 GMT -5
Emmeline the title is great! The list is so extensive, I cannot think of anything to add right now. I like Caroline, but I was never part of the "Camp Caroline to over throw Albert." But now, I truly believe an Albert rule with Charlene as the Princess of Monaco is the kiss of death for Monaco. His choice in Charlene shows without a doubt this man really doesn't care about Monaco's best interest or perhaps just doesn't know what is Monaco's best interest. Seriously. Monaco will go down hill faster than Fat Albert in a bobsleigh. And double DITTO!
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Post by margarita on Apr 15, 2011 16:22:15 GMT -5
emmeline - comparing CW with Caroline I agree on everything you say!!!!! "Monaco going down hill faster than Albert with his bobsleigh" --- ;D ;D - GREAT comparison :-))) 100% agree! However i think that Albert should rule together with Caroline and prepare one of her children. For many years i thought Caroline is cold and arrogant. However ... her actions and all the things she said and did (or even not said - at least in public) and not did made me see in her the REAL and ONLY first lady of Monaco. In the latest pics she is SHINING from within. And we should not forget about the situation with her husband... I'm quite sure she suffers. But she has so much dignity! Albert attended a show jumping event togehter with Caroline a few days ago? Let it be a new start and direction!
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Post by emmeline on Apr 15, 2011 16:51:49 GMT -5
Emmeline the title is great! The list is so extensive, I cannot think of anything to add right now. I like Caroline, but I was never part of the "Camp Caroline to over throw Albert." But now, I truly believe an Albert rule with Charlene as the Princess of Monaco is the kiss of death for Monaco. His choice in Charlene shows without a doubt this man really doesn't care about Monaco's best interest or perhaps just doesn't know what is Monaco's best interest. Seriously. Monaco will go down hill faster than Fat Albert in a bobsleigh. Thanks MyaDia! When Albert was single, i used to think that he would never married and that Andrea would naturally inherit the throne. Now, sometimes i think that Albert might have a kid in his married years, but sometimes i think he won't... Caroline has always said that she wanted her brother to marry, since she "assumed" the role of first lady in 1982, but now maybe she thinks: Ok, let him get married, and he will see where he is getting into...then he will ask for my help. And since her split from EA of Hannover she just looks amazing!
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Post by creativemind on Apr 15, 2011 17:19:11 GMT -5
Why Caroline should be the monarch in Monaco?
Because Albert is dumb and she isn't!!!!! I rest my case -- Team Caro & Trio!
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Post by hibou on Apr 15, 2011 19:22:24 GMT -5
Because she is the first born and should have been the sovereign. Rainier was brilliant but not giving it to Caroline was his only mistake.
Go team Caroline!
The trio are the future.
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Post by scout on Apr 16, 2011 13:30:37 GMT -5
Caroline should be the Sovereign because Rainier prepared her to be although I don't think that he realized it, and he didn't prepare Albert (I've decided that Rainier really didn't have much to work with with Albert). When Grace died, Caroline stepped in as her father's companion as he conducted state business. If you go back to photos from the 1980's and 1990's, you will see that Caroline went with Rainier when he met with other head of states and foreign dignitaries. I have rarely seen Albert in these photos. When Caroline and Albert were children, it was reported that when the family flew somewhere, Albert went with Grace and Caroline with Rainier. During these flights they had a lot of time to talk, and Rainier supposedly shared a lot of his ideas with Caroline. As has become evident, Caroline is smarter than Albert and better educated. Also, though she probably is spoiled, I don't think that it is to the extent that Albert is and she would do what is best for Monaco rather than what is her pleasure as Albert does. Caroline stays in Monaco, unlike Albert, and lives with the Monegasques. She doesn't just use it as a stopover to get clean clothes. Caroline does have the heirs, now, unlike Albert. Also, one of Albert's biggest decisions was a wife and he choose Charlene. The fact that he waited until Rainier died to marry probably also says something about Albert and his choice of wife. If Charlene and Albert have a child, I figure that Charlene will be the primary caregiver after the nanny. How this child will be raised and the character it develops is a major unknown, but with Charlene in charge, I'm not hopeful. These two do not understand what their role in the world is as Sovereigns of Monaco. Caroline does and would do a better job. I was with MyaDia in that I never was pushing for Caroline to be the heir. First because I didn't think that she wanted it and second, because I'm for male primogeniture. But after seeing Albert in action and full authority for 5+ years, it's time to put this nightmare to rest. The Monegasques have been loyal to the Grimaldis for 700+ years; they deserve better than the two village idiots, especially when there is someone better. JMO
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Post by emmeline on Apr 16, 2011 13:34:58 GMT -5
Karma scout for your excellent post! I agree with everything.
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Post by chriss on Apr 16, 2011 17:33:35 GMT -5
If Caroline doesn't end up as ruling princess, I don't think there's going to be another monarch. What's the alternative to her (unless she waives her rights in favour of her children)? A child of Albert and Charlene? Albert's going to be in his mid-70s by the time that child comes of age, it's almost bound to mean Regent Charlene. And that would kill Monaco faster than all of Albert's bumbling combined.
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Post by hibou on Apr 16, 2011 18:02:58 GMT -5
Caroline should be the Sovereign because Rainier prepared her to be although I don't think that he realized it, and he didn't prepare Albert (I've decided that Rainier really didn't have much to work with with Albert). When Grace died, Caroline stepped in as her father's companion as he conducted state business. If you go back to photos from the 1980's and 1990's, you will see that Caroline went with Rainier when he met with other head of states and foreign dignitaries. I have rarely seen Albert in these photos. When Caroline and Albert were children, it was reported that when the family flew somewhere, Albert went with Grace and Caroline with Rainier. During these flights they had a lot of time to talk, and Rainier supposedly shared a lot of his ideas with Caroline. As has become evident, Caroline is smarter than Albert and better educated. Also, though she probably is spoiled, I don't think that it is to the extent that Albert is and she would do what is best for Monaco rather than what is her pleasure as Albert does. Caroline stays in Monaco, unlike Albert, and lives with the Monegasques. She doesn't just use it as a stopover to get clean clothes. Caroline does have the heirs, now, unlike Albert. Also, one of Albert's biggest decisions was a wife and he choose Charlene. The fact that he waited until Rainier died to marry probably also says something about Albert and his choice of wife. If Charlene and Albert have a child, I figure that Charlene will be the primary caregiver after the nanny. How this child will be raised and the character it develops is a major unknown, but with Charlene in charge, I'm not hopeful. These two do not understand what their role in the world is as Sovereigns of Monaco. Caroline does and would do a better job. I was with MyaDia in that I never was pushing for Caroline to be the heir. First because I didn't think that she wanted it and second, because I'm for male primogeniture. But after seeing Albert in action and full authority for 5+ years, it's time to put this nightmare to rest. The Monegasques have been loyal to the Grimaldis for 700+ years; they deserve better than the two village idiots, especially when there is someone better. JMO Bravo!
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Post by creativemind on Apr 16, 2011 21:20:58 GMT -5
ditto hibou -- fantastic post scout!!!!
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Post by scout on Apr 17, 2011 9:56:02 GMT -5
Thanks! everyone for your kind posts. If Caroline doesn't end up as ruling princess, I don't think there's going to be another monarch. What's the alternative to her (unless she waives her rights in favour of her children)? A child of Albert and Charlene? Albert's going to be in his mid-70s by the time that child comes of age, it's almost bound to mean Regent Charlene. And that would kill Monaco faster than all of Albert's bumbling combined. Chriss (karma), I think that you have hit on the real issue with your post. Albert is setting up a situation where Charlene will be Regent and that will mean the end of the Grimaldis as we know them and Monaco. Charlene would be a disaster of the first order if she became Regent. The only salvation would be if Albert finally grew a few brain cells and appointed Caroline to be Regent for any heir he might have.
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Post by chriss on Apr 17, 2011 14:49:43 GMT -5
Scout (karma back) I really wonder whether Albert's ever done the math on it. "Best case" scenario has Charlene pregnant in the wedding night (and I REALLY don't want to imagine that, thx), with an heir next April. Albert's 54 then. The constitution demands that the heir needs to be 18 years old, so that makes Albert 72 before the child would actually be able to be his immediate successor. With his lifestyle, I wouldn't want to take bets on that. And even if... he'll be in his 80s before the child would be even thirty. Nobody's born knowing how to run a country, you need to learn that, and it's not something you figure out in a year or two. Monaco actually needs the monarch to take charge, that's the whole tragedy of it - everywhere else it's a figurehead position, but with Monaco the decisions are still made by the Prince or Princess. Unless Albert grows to be a hundred years old, he'll leave a child on the throne with Charlene as Regent as worst, and an inexperienced ruler at best. The Monegasques had better start praying that Charlene doesn't think she needs a child to secure her position.
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Post by rearden on Apr 17, 2011 17:05:01 GMT -5
And imagine how the situation can change for the worse in thirty years, Monaco will need someone who reallly knows what he is doing.
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Post by emmeline on Apr 17, 2011 17:41:05 GMT -5
I can't believe Albert hasn't done the maths. What does he think, that he will live till 120 years old? The best he can do now, after marrying Cashlene, is not having any children with her. It's the best. It will save him lots of problems, when he wants to divorce Charlene, and if they have a kid, Charlene will be devastated because she couldn't keep the kid with her, so she would write a book or give a tv interview saying how her marriage was a failure since day one. Plus, let's suppose Albert dies with the kid being 18. And 18 year old kid only wants to have fun, discover the world, not rule a country. Seriously, the best he can do is not having children, for Monaco's sake. But considering how dumb this man is, he will probably have issue, wich will be born more probably after 2012, because he is not longer in his 20's and Charlene is not longer that young, plus, after all the rumour we have heard, it seems she can't get pregnant easily. It's all bad karma for them.
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Post by margarita on Apr 18, 2011 1:02:49 GMT -5
Hi Emmeline: 100% agree with all you said ! Albert took over very late. Now he want's to make up everything he didn't do before. He is too old to "produce" and bring up a heir! Definitly. If he want's to break any spell he should a) not marry (because the only reason to marry=heir) b) rule together with Caroline as First Lady and c) prepare one of her kids (Caros kids are all great 8-)and should get a place in Monaco) That's the only way. Otherwise he passes the problems of the past on and on. He came to power too late. His child would have to rule MUCH too early. CALL IT OFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by actarus on Apr 18, 2011 10:51:48 GMT -5
Because Princess Grace herself told that Caroline would have made a good souvereign.
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Post by scout on Apr 18, 2011 11:03:29 GMT -5
I doubt Albert has done the math. He strikes me as someone who only thinks about today and what fun thing he can do. Long-term is maybe a week. Plus, he doesn't think about the consequences of his actions. That's why he has two known illegitimate children and who knows how many unknown.
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