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Post by agentf on Jun 28, 2016 5:15:25 GMT -5
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Post by refia on Jun 28, 2016 13:45:24 GMT -5
Yikes, I really don't like either of the candidates. Sorry, but Clinton is not trustworthy and don't get me started about Trump. Of course common sense says vote for Clinton.
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Post by agentf on Jun 29, 2016 5:11:42 GMT -5
I don't like her husband. I think he kardashianed the presidency with his intern antics. I think the fact she stayed with him makes her a Republican in her personal values. That said, she's versed, knows the global players compared to the orange amateur politician. In an era however of archetypal villains, Marvel rehashes etc I'm afraid Americans want a caricature of a guy with a bit mouth full of monosyllabic statements. That's scary. As much as if Trump's baseball cap flew off. Yikes, I really don't like either of the candidates. Sorry, but Clinton is not trustworthy and don't get me started about Trump. Of course common sense says vote for Clinton. |
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Post by refia on Jun 29, 2016 14:19:21 GMT -5
IA. Kennedy was a star, but Bill was a celeb, big difference. June 29, 2016 - Hate Winning, As Clinton-Trump Race Too Close To Call, Quinnipiac University National Poll Finds; Neither Candidate Would Be Good President, Voters SayNational Poll |
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Post by tops on Jun 29, 2016 15:23:56 GMT -5
IA. Kennedy was a star, but Bill was a celeb, big difference. June 29, 2016 - Hate Winning, As Clinton-Trump Race Too Close To Call, Quinnipiac University National Poll Finds; Neither Candidate Would Be Good President, Voters SayNational PollKillary slept as Ambassador Chris Stephens was murdered (along with 3 others) in Bengazhi. He must have either muddled up one of her arms deals, knew too much or was in the way. He had been begging for protection for a long time and she (and the Pentagon and State Department) ignored him. We had troops that were posponed for hours because no one could get their act together!! Then Barry Hussein Obammy President flew outta DC for a fund-raiser the next day. September 11th disaster was too close to the November election for him to admit there was a real problem with terrorism. That's why Killary and Barry blamed it on "a video" (even when Killary email her daughter and other foreign officials immediately that it was planned terror). She lied straight into the faces of the families of those who gave their lives and again blamed it again on the video. Susan Rice lied to 5 news networks during interviews for days and weeks afterwards that it was the video. These 3 should be tried for treason. RIP Amb. Stephens! I'm sure there will be some lower level security that will come out with the truth. I hope they survive since the mortality rate is huge with those who disagree with this clan. Killary has insulted and harassed every woman who was dumb enough to give into or be raped by Slick Willy. She drove Vince Foster to suicide which is also suspicious. She has taken blood money (for their phony foundation) from the Saudi's who continue to oppress women and torture those who prefer another life-style. I'd say her time is way over with and let's try someone new who will gain back our borders, defend Christians, Jewish and all non-violent faiths around the globe and bring some fresh air into the White House. Some of our members may not be residing in America or citizens of the USA, but we are fed up with having the refugees (who generally have problems to assimilate) shoved down our throats. (Look what's happening in Germany!) If Killary and Barry had handled ASSad with proper measures the Syrians would have stayed in their country and not had to flee. The middle east is a hornets nest, with an embarrassing history but these 2 did nothing to contain it. It's gotten worse and worse. Out with the old, in with the new. |
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Post by agentf on Jun 30, 2016 7:38:01 GMT -5
tops you definitely know more than I do and I can relate to ignored requests for protection. Obama gave a brilliant press conference here though it wasn't hard to outshine formulaic speech givers with actual facts and a reality check. Where are the new leaders, that's the thing. I thought Hillary did a good job as Secretary. She could hold down the day-to-day of politics and not just at a personal level as a political wife. Canada is also dirty in arms dealing. Think of the close ties former PM Mulroney entertained with convicted arms dealers. Also, Canada has gone from the perennial peacekeeper to a recent role of weapons producer. Why did it change? The bottom line is that wars are sadly still the biggest economic engines on the planet and the pope alluded to it when he said we wouldn't know peace because too many people profit from war. We need new forms of economies and political systems. We haven't reformed those in centuries, even when the ME screams that the Western model doesn't work for anyone there. To be obstinate is to betray that there are other motives than spreading democracy. We need to stop intellectual stagnation and reform across the board, no matter who doesn't like it.
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Post by refia on Jul 3, 2016 11:27:57 GMT -5
To be fair Obama inherited a mess, he didn't created it. But Clinton voted for the Iraq war, so she has blood on her hands, oh and
as if the Iran is so stupid to attack Israel
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Post by agentf on Jul 3, 2016 12:48:20 GMT -5
I'm not biting the bait, (out of deference to your sensibilities and to a personal plan to confront some demons using an old Zionist acquaintance... He's a pragmatic man, with a common beef and he'll relish having my head so close to the block.) Having said that, pot kettle. Illegal wars, illegal states. I never before appreciated so much Canada's fetal constitutional status, for the promise that the future can still be altered. I want to see that Clinton will interpret power as a moral duty rather than a carte blanche. Because the alternative to her is not an option. To be fair Obama inherited a mess, he didn't created it. But Clinton voted for the Iraq war, so she has blood on her hands, oh and as if the Iran is so stupid to attack Israel |
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Post by refia on Jul 3, 2016 13:20:26 GMT -5
I really hope Trudeau does a good job, because if he fails people will tbring back the Harpers of the politics. Apropo, Australia had elections and it is stalemate. No good time to be a politican. __ I'm just so baffled that the GOP has to support this orange faced buffon. But they only have to blame themselves What makes Trump also dangerous is him establishing fascism www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2016/06/03/anti-semitic-trump-supporters-made-a-giant-list-of-people-to-target-with-a-racist-meme/'The alt-right existed before the Trump candidacy, but his political rise has had a kind of coalescing effect: the different parts of the alt-right all know who their enemies are, and they’re some of the same groups that the Trump campaign has run against. Namely, those enemies are establishment conservatives, liberal “social justice warriors,” and most of the mainstream media.' |
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Post by agentf on Jul 3, 2016 22:22:08 GMT -5
I do believe Trump is karma for the Republicans highjacking government the last 7+ years. You really can't expect much from Republicans. In regards to Trudeau, he's a buffoon too, of the nasally populist/demagogue type. I hate when the powerful come up with patronizing models for the crowds to jump at. I thought Obama was like that, a "product", too good to be true, that people would automatically vote for more for image and symbolism, than substance. That's why I barely paid attention. Trudeau is rehashed Camelot, except the core is rotten as it often is when you're hiding behind a used concept. Trudeau's base of support is the converted mob, the dangerous nouveaux recycled into businessmen. His father worked against his own kind, and his grandfather was a Outremont mobster. You can't scratch the veneer too much with him. He's also about as highbrow as middleCanada these days and unoriginal. Australia is supposedly another territory highly infiltrated by Ndrangheta, incidentally. I don't thing anywhere leadership is valued, so much as underlying agendas. Leaders are serving as covers. Is it worth participating in political life? It's zombied out! I really hope Trudeau does a good job, because if he fails people will tbring back the Harpers of the politics. Apropo, Australia had elections and it is stalemate. No good time to be a politican. __ I'm just so baffled that the GOP has to support this orange faced buffon. But they only have to blame themselves What makes Trump also dangerous is him establishing fascism www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2016/06/03/anti-semitic-trump-supporters-made-a-giant-list-of-people-to-target-with-a-racist-meme/'The alt-right existed before the Trump candidacy, but his political rise has had a kind of coalescing effect: the different parts of the alt-right all know who their enemies are, and they’re some of the same groups that the Trump campaign has run against. Namely, those enemies are establishment conservatives, liberal “social justice warriors,” and most of the mainstream media.' |
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Post by refia on Jul 4, 2016 17:03:48 GMT -5
Thanks for the insight!
When everyone was over the moon about Justin's triumph, I was skeptical tbh. Like you said, it was Obama all over again and I hated that already in 2008. Same with Bernie Sanders fans, who wanted to sell him to us as wise grandpa, but this man is a politican, and like all politicans he isn't some pure cinnamon role. Trudeau has charisma, the looks and youth, but his youth could be a problem, no experience. Imo he also comes across as not humble, and I miss that in politicians.
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Post by agentf on Jul 5, 2016 5:40:02 GMT -5
Well that's what it comes down to, doesn't it - do we want career politicians or amateurs? Justin Trudeau is an example of Canadian smugness, a little too imbued with their perceived self-righteousness. He is completely propped up and is a bit of a decoy. It's political marketing - throw out front something palatable to the public so they can identify and self-congratulate. The bowels of that however are quite ugly. He has no real power nor would he be able to come up with policies on his own. They are winging it and it's been noticed. He's from the same production line that serves up entertainment in this country, the same signature. Anyways, we could analyze to death. However he's already full of inconsistencies, one of which is carrying on Harper's leftover deals as with providing tanks to Saudi Arabia. Ironic, when you consider the same Canadian (Judeo-Christian for lack of a better amalgam) mobs propping Trudeau are likely hiding behind ISIS and fighting some bizarre, archaic religious battle for supremacy with the Muslim world. At the risk of setting the globe on fire!? We are such evolutionary backwards creatures. We are. Why can't we take turns and see who rules best for the general good? Thanks for the insight! When everyone was over the moon about Justin's triumph, I was skeptical tbh. Like you said, it was Obama all over again and I hated that already in 2008. Same with Bernie Sanders fans, who wanted to sell him to us as wise grandpa, but this man is a politican, and like all politicans he isn't some pure cinnamon role. Trudeau has charisma, the looks and youth, but his youth could be a problem, no experience. Imo he also comes across as not humble, and I miss that in politicians. |
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Post by tops on Jul 5, 2016 8:07:31 GMT -5
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Post by agentf on Jul 6, 2016 15:04:35 GMT -5
He was always going to be her biggest liability. He's not going to handle the background at all. It'll be worse than presidential brothers (or mates that break into song unsolicited). He's a politicker, not my cup of tea. Men can be the worse impediments to a woman's success. |
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Post by agentf on Jul 17, 2016 3:13:54 GMT -5
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Post by tops on Jul 17, 2016 8:09:21 GMT -5
Can you please tell me the 3 major accomplishments that HRC made during her tenure as Secretary of State? |
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Post by agentf on Jul 17, 2016 11:30:32 GMT -5
topsShe staved off the Chinese in Korea. I know this because she found out where Chinese generals were stashing their money offshore and hopefully used it as leverage  . So most importantly, she didn't blow up the planet and avoided WW3...? Frankly, in the absence of a tyranny of choice and the fact she's a woman, I'm going to send her good vibes. It seems important to her as a human being to reach that goal, so let's see how she'll employ her presidency. With the U.K., Germany, hopefully France next, there may be hope if we take a timeout from male leaders and usher a different era. One where leaders think of others, sacrifice a little of themselves for the greater good and offer comfort. Call me a utopist.
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Post by tops on Jul 17, 2016 21:27:12 GMT -5
topsShe staved off the Chinese in Korea. I know this because she found out where Chinese generals were stashing their money offshore and hopefully used it as leverage . So most importantly, she didn't blow up the planet and avoided WW3...? Frankly, in the absence of a tyranny of choice and the fact she's a woman, I'm going to send her good vibes. It seems important to her as a human being to reach that goal, so let's see how she'll employ her presidency. With the U.K., Germany, hopefully France next, there may be hope if we take a timeout from male leaders and usher a different era. One where leaders think of others, sacrifice a little of themselves for the greater good and offer comfort. Call me a utopist. ok, you gave one mediocre reason. Give me more. i will chime in this week.. |
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Post by tops on Jul 18, 2016 5:03:16 GMT -5
Check out this article: www.wnd.com/2015/05/here-they-are-hillarys-22-biggest-scandals-ever/#! Don't miss # 5) Hillary’s ‘Muslim Brotherhood princess’ which clarifies the role of Huma Abedin. One of the most poignant and recent scandals is surely Benghazi, resulting and the loss of our Ambassador Chris Stevens and several other Americans. This ambassador had sent hundreds of requests to the State Department for security and he was ignored. There was a massive cover-up by Obama and Clinton because the 2012 election was coming up and they did not want the voting public to know about the terrorism that they had not prevented! |
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Post by agentf on Jul 18, 2016 5:58:19 GMT -5
(Your source is the paper that started the birther movement, Trump's fixation!!  ) Gee Tops, I'm so sorry for not living up to your expectations - lol. What are you going to do? Grow another candidate before the elections? Who would you have liked to see run for president? It's nice to take down, jump on bandwagons but as JFK said : ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country I don't like Huna either but that's because she too has a sleazy husband (not Muslim, but Jewish I might add)... And my answer was more creative than harking twice to the same example without furnishing any more insight on the behind-the-scenes so if this is an armchair critique, I can google too. Scrolling up to your earlier post, you might want to read John McHugo' s Concise History of the Arabs and his book on Syria which I hope to find headspace to read. The hornet's nest became one as a result of the 1917 Balfour Declaration and the re-mapping of the region with a huge injustice to Palestine whose makeup was left unfinished so as to serve as grounds for an experiment that has caused the planet 60+ years of conflict. It was unconstitutional to begin with, illegal and plagued with British political intrigues. You'll see that Disraeli was a politician who was bankrolled by City bankers and Labour politicians of the same family if you read their official biography. So if you want to cast stones, there are boulders lurking. PS: The Muslim Brotherhood was founded in 1928, and has only become notorious in recent decades. topsShe staved off the Chinese in Korea. I know this because she found out where Chinese generals were stashing their money offshore and hopefully used it as leverage . So most importantly, she didn't blow up the planet and avoided WW3...? Frankly, in the absence of a tyranny of choice and the fact she's a woman, I'm going to send her good vibes. It seems important to her as a human being to reach that goal, so let's see how she'll employ her presidency. With the U.K., Germany, hopefully France next, there may be hope if we take a timeout from male leaders and usher a different era. One where leaders think of others, sacrifice a little of themselves for the greater good and offer comfort. Call me a utopist. ok, you gave one mediocre reason. Give me more. i will chime in this week.. |
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. So most importantly, she didn't blow up the planet and avoided WW3...? Frankly, in the absence of a tyranny of choice and the fact she's a woman, I'm going to send her good vibes. It seems important to her as a human being to reach that goal, so let's see how she'll employ her presidency. With the U.K., Germany, hopefully France next, there may be hope if we take a timeout from male leaders and usher a different era. One where leaders think of others, sacrifice a little of themselves for the greater good and offer comfort. Call me a utopist. 
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