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Post by paca on May 20, 2022 7:48:42 GMT -5
not sure if I posted it before, but when they announced Megxit, I was sure that it would end up this way. and what is worse is that they will eventually invade and sell their childrens privacy. Even Harry and will were protected against that. Instead of making things better for his kids he has achieved to make it worse. They are becoming a paupers version of the Kardashians and wont gather the audience. I still think that if they would have wanted privacy, they would have been best of to retire to some English estate and appear occasionally for events. But Meg didn'T want privacy, she wanted a high profile and all the perks of freebies etc to go with it. Her spending during her first year showed what she was about. ANd neither Charles nor Harry had the money to keep that up longterm. Harry would have been ruined within 5 years into the marriage and I am sure that CHarles hinted to him that he has to reign in her spending and that he wouldn't and couldn't up their allowance. Especially since Harry was down the list. ANd Charles surely didn't want another ANdrew and Fergie going on. I think that ultimately money was the root to megxit. And Harry will eventually find, that he hates his role in it. Personally I think that by the time their 10 year anniversary comes up, they will be either crawling back or be involved in a war of the roses about the kids and whatever is left of their money...
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Post by agentf on May 21, 2022 11:28:17 GMT -5
You know, it's like taking a scenic route back to square one. Harry could have always transformed into a polo-centric prince and gravitated to HM's other equestrian interests, while his wife could have focused on charity works internationally. It just looks like they've been constantly on their high horse since the beginning, wanting to fling themselves on people and bandwagons like famewhores when he already had a raised profile. What were they thinking!? Meanwhile Chelsy Davy has had a child and just got married. She seems very fulfilled. www.tatler.com/article/chelsy-davy-weddingnot sure if I posted it before, but when they announced Megxit, I was sure that it would end up this way. and what is worse is that they will eventually invade and sell their childrens privacy. Even Harry and will were protected against that. Instead of making things better for his kids he has achieved to make it worse. They are becoming a paupers version of the Kardashians and wont gather the audience. I still think that if they would have wanted privacy, they would have been best of to retire to some English estate and appear occasionally for events. But Meg didn'T want privacy, she wanted a high profile and all the perks of freebies etc to go with it. Her spending during her first year showed what she was about. ANd neither Charles nor Harry had the money to keep that up longterm. Harry would have been ruined within 5 years into the marriage and I am sure that CHarles hinted to him that he has to reign in her spending and that he wouldn't and couldn't up their allowance. Especially since Harry was down the list. ANd Charles surely didn't want another ANdrew and Fergie going on. I think that ultimately money was the root to megxit. And Harry will eventually find, that he hates his role in it. Personally I think that by the time their 10 year anniversary comes up, they will be either crawling back or be involved in a war of the roses about the kids and whatever is left of their money...
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Post by paca on Jun 7, 2022 8:30:26 GMT -5
so looks like they left miffed after being sidelined. Lol at the pic of Lili who is the spitting image of Megs sister. ANd if I remember correctly Archie lools like her dad. Nature telling her sth. ANd good on QE2 to not allow pics with her granddaughter. Pre megxit they would have got it, or had to do a photo op, but now.... Looks like QE2 is taking privacy wishes serious.... btw she still wasn't christened was she? Or did they have a US do and didn't tell anyone since they couldn't get a Windsor baptism?
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Post by agentf on Jun 7, 2022 8:37:53 GMT -5
You beat me to it, about the denied money shot of the child with the queen: www.thedailybeast.com/harry-and-meghan-told-no-chance-of-queen-and-lilibet-photoNo idea about the baptism. Before reading about the denied photo, I might have presumed HM outmanoeuvred them and privately had the child christened for much later broadcast but it seems more likely she's putting them through more stringent paces. I don't think this trip was a total fail for them. On the whole, they look like they towed the line, despite forgoing the bus to the cathedral and jumping the line to appear to leave right after William, in the old order of things. Despite the window grimacing the day before. Despite trying to highjack the Jubilee for a child's birthday party on palace grounds. Despite... But the next day, issuing the child's picture is just them back to their old tricks. And even unleashing the moronic "Squad" onto prince Louis 🙄 I don't think ultimately that they will build on the olive branch HM extended. 🤷🏻♀️ so looks like they left miffed after being sidelined. Lol at the pic of Lili who is the spitting image of Megs sister. ANd if I remember correctly Archie lools like her dad. Nature telling her sth. ANd good on QE2 to not allow pics with her granddaughter. Pre megxit they would have got it, or had to do a photo op, but now.... Looks like QE2 is taking privacy wishes serious.... btw she still wasn't christened was she? Or did they have a US do and didn't tell anyone since they couldn't get a Windsor baptism?
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Post by paca on Jun 7, 2022 15:24:38 GMT -5
I think Meg pulling down her window when they are so concerned about their security says it all. And it spelt desperation. Yes they were pictured being there, but also showing that they were absolutely irrelevant. Reduced to child minder services. Or maybe just giving them a pretext to be pictured at all. You could tell that they knew exactly where to be to have their pics taken. Others weren't so desperate. Or posted selfies instead. At least some honesty there. Apparently they skipped Guildhall and an opportunity to mix with guests, who were apparently miffed for being stood up by some minor royalty. So much about service. If it doesn't come with a huge spotlight, they don't do it. Also curious: why did they bring a high chair? An excuse to fly private? I am sure they could have borrowed one or more (for the bday party) from the cousins, or bought one. They surely have enough money to have one in each residence. And plenty of room to store it, when no longer needed until the next generation or family member can use it. I know that the BRF did do hand me downs or circle things within the family. Just like most people do and did. Victoria had a lot of her own kids clothes worn by her own daughter. It is reasonable and sustainable. And if you were raised by the war generation, it was natural. My kids learned to ride a bike at my parents on my old bike and they slept in beds that my mom and uncle already used as children (and plenty of others inbetween). And these days I think it is a good thing to remember these habits.
Also, IMO bringing the kids for such a short stay was hardly worth it since most of their family was otherwise busy. It is also ridiculous that they made it a point to watch TV with the queen. Surely the kids were too tired from partying to be brought along. A few more days after the jubilee could have given the queen more opportunities to see the kids and Charles as well. As for Will and Kate and their offspring, I doubt they met with them at all. Interestingly all kids that were at the party attended the concert. Even the smallest. Then again they may not have been invited to avoid distraction. Still, when you live that far apart and come for a visit, you make an effort and not a Blitzvisit.
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Post by paca on Jun 7, 2022 19:14:15 GMT -5
wow, they really must have been miffed. Now their trolls are claiming that Will and Kate had an invite to the bday party, but snubbed them. Did they? Really? The entire world knows that they were in Cardiff, working with their kids. And after that, they went to the palace party. Also with their kids. All of them. No way would they have been able to make it. If they would have wanted to meet Will and Kate, they would have added a few extra days after the jubililee and made themselves available at a time convinient to them. And they could have arranged that well ahead of time. Instead they left in a huff and made sure that the media knew about it, so that the festivities were not even over and they could at least make the end all about them. Since their isn't any official reason for them to be invited back any time soon, all they can hope for is an invite to Balmoral for summer. But if they don't go again, there next time back might be a funeral. And I doubt that they will be seated prominently then. Or at Charles coronation. Once QE2 is gone, they will not be moving up, but further down. Limited to private meetings, if at all. Harry might think that Charles is a pushover, but he won't do anything without consulting Will. Then again queen mum lived to over 100, so if QE2 is anything like her or her late husband, she still has a few years left to make the world forget about the Montecitos.
btw every camera these days can take video. so I think it was a good idea to block the pics. Otherwise we might have seen a video of lili meeting the real lilibet on netflix. You don't outsmart a woman who keeps marmalade sandwiches for later in her purse...
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Post by agentf on Jun 8, 2022 7:21:41 GMT -5
paca , all good points. Everything about these two is cagey. Harry has joined in, imo. It's even worse when that parental pride kicks in, and misfires. It's a bit like creating your own misery - of laying the groundwork for rejection, subjecting yourself and a hapless child to humiliation and then shifting the blame. H & M don't get to extend olive branches when they produced every self-destructive instance in their lives. They should be grasping for a helping hand, but this maniacal need to control and spin in order to cover up their self-inflicted bruised egos compounds just how revolting the whole exercise is, that they try to involve everyone in. It's like those degrading sex games people engage in, if you'll pardon the metaphor, where they caricature their social ineptitude and think putting a party hat on it means they master the dynamic. No. It's just desperate. Why not just do things differently without wanting to drag everyone without prior consent. It's an abasement of sorts. And it's a trap. And now they are involving their children in their "kinked" approach to life. It's borderline predatory on many levels. Just let people be, I say, while you do you on your own time.
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Post by paca on Jun 8, 2022 8:12:20 GMT -5
I think the only thing that would make them change is when they get dropped by netflix for lack of input. Given that they don#t have anything on offer, no education or anything else that could enable them to produce content, the only way they will be able to keep their contract will be a Kardashian like program, but no one wants to see that. Plus they would have to exploit their children and everyone that enters their lives. Who wants to be friends with people like that? I bet we will get to see her soon trying to make amends with her dad. I am sure he would want that to be private, but they will be making cameras a condition as it is the only drama they can sell right now. These too have no morals. They gave their interview to Oprah while Philip was dying and they will do netflix with her dad in a terrible state. Hopefully his other kids will prevent that from happening as it is degrading and at least in this country it is against the constitution as the dignity of a human being is sacro sanct, and what is more degrading then being an ailing man, unable to speak being filmed for netflix so he can be allowed to see his grandkids. I wonder if the BRF have reached out to him despite Meg not being in touch with him. IMO flowers and a card would have been in order from Charles. He is the grandfather, so he is family to them too in some way. It doesn't hurt them to reach out and offer help (quite on the contrary), even if it sets off meg. It would be the decent thing to do imo. since meg gets triggered by Kate, it might actually get things moving, if Kate reached out. I think if she did, Meg would hurry to make herself look better than her.
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Post by paca on Jun 8, 2022 13:09:37 GMT -5
so all the cousins went for lunch after trooping the colour, except the duke and duchess of miff, who went straight to frogmore. Well, they had only 3 days to prepare a bday bash. While the rest of the family was either working or enjoying family time. Or were they afraid to undermine their security bid, if they had joined their unprotected cousins for lunch? Shame no one had an egg or overripe tomatoe in their purse to swing into megs rolled down car window. Then again they probably thought being booed was enough of a security threat to stay in their ugly bunker... nothing like anmer hall.... or kensington palace or the new pad Kate will get to live in....
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Post by agentf on Jun 8, 2022 13:54:55 GMT -5
It just shows how contrarian they are. Across the board. It gets old though, especially when it's only for the sake of being that way. so all the cousins went for lunch after trooping the colour, except the duke and duchess of miff, who went straight to frogmore. Well, they had only 3 days to prepare a bday bash. While the rest of the family was either working or enjoying family time. Or were they afraid to undermine their security bid, if they had joined their unprotected cousins for lunch? Shame no one had an egg or overripe tomatoe in their purse to swing into megs rolled down car window. Then again they probably thought being booed was enough of a security threat to stay in their ugly bunker... nothing like anmer hall.... or kensington palace or the new pad Kate will get to live in....
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Post by agentf on Jun 8, 2022 14:05:16 GMT -5
There isn't much to be gained by going over her head and bridging communication with her father, for Charles. He probably considers he has already sacrificed a son. Maybe Harry should, if anything, engage. It is after all his chosen family. I don't see either why Kate should jeopardize her peace and stress management, to welcome someone who looks to any occasion to poison the pool. I personally prefer to look ahead, rather than jump back into family black holes (read: astronomy vs racism, please). It depletes you. Kate has so much that's good in her life, and she's been down that road of going out of her way to acclimatize MM and where has it gotten her?! You have to be a fool to propel yourself against a brick wall like that. Only time can heal at this point. There's no sense being frantic and precipitating outcomes when there's no goodwill. That's my take. I think the only thing that would make them change is when they get dropped by netflix for lack of input. Given that they don#t have anything on offer, no education or anything else that could enable them to produce content, the only way they will be able to keep their contract will be a Kardashian like program, but no one wants to see that. Plus they would have to exploit their children and everyone that enters their lives. Who wants to be friends with people like that? I bet we will get to see her soon trying to make amends with her dad. I am sure he would want that to be private, but they will be making cameras a condition as it is the only drama they can sell right now. These too have no morals. They gave their interview to Oprah while Philip was dying and they will do netflix with her dad in a terrible state. Hopefully his other kids will prevent that from happening as it is degrading and at least in this country it is against the constitution as the dignity of a human being is sacro sanct, and what is more degrading then being an ailing man, unable to speak being filmed for netflix so he can be allowed to see his grandkids. I wonder if the BRF have reached out to him despite Meg not being in touch with him. IMO flowers and a card would have been in order from Charles. He is the grandfather, so he is family to them too in some way. It doesn't hurt them to reach out and offer help (quite on the contrary), even if it sets off meg. It would be the decent thing to do imo. since meg gets triggered by Kate, it might actually get things moving, if Kate reached out. I think if she did, Meg would hurry to make herself look better than her.
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Post by paca on Jun 8, 2022 14:35:20 GMT -5
There isn't much to be gained by going over her head and bridging communication with her father, for Charles. He probably considers he has already sacrificed a son. Maybe Harry should, if anything, engage. It is after all his chosen family. I don't see either why Kate should jeopardize her peace and stress management, to welcome someone who looks to any occasion to poison the pool. I personally prefer to look ahead, rather than jump back into family black holes (read: astronomy vs racism, please). It depletes you. Kate has so much that's good in her life, and she's been down that road of going out of her way to acclimatize MM and where has it gotten her?! You have to be a fool to propel yourself against a brick wall like that. Only time can heal at this point. There's no sense being frantic and precipitating outcomes when there's no goodwill. That's my take. I think the only thing that would make them change is when they get dropped by netflix for lack of input. Given that they don#t have anything on offer, no education or anything else that could enable them to produce content, the only way they will be able to keep their contract will be a Kardashian like program, but no one wants to see that. Plus they would have to exploit their children and everyone that enters their lives. Who wants to be friends with people like that? I bet we will get to see her soon trying to make amends with her dad. I am sure he would want that to be private, but they will be making cameras a condition as it is the only drama they can sell right now. These too have no morals. They gave their interview to Oprah while Philip was dying and they will do netflix with her dad in a terrible state. Hopefully his other kids will prevent that from happening as it is degrading and at least in this country it is against the constitution as the dignity of a human being is sacro sanct, and what is more degrading then being an ailing man, unable to speak being filmed for netflix so he can be allowed to see his grandkids. I wonder if the BRF have reached out to him despite Meg not being in touch with him. IMO flowers and a card would have been in order from Charles. He is the grandfather, so he is family to them too in some way. It doesn't hurt them to reach out and offer help (quite on the contrary), even if it sets off meg. It would be the decent thing to do imo. since meg gets triggered by Kate, it might actually get things moving, if Kate reached out. I think if she did, Meg would hurry to make herself look better than her. You are right. too much agro, so it is understandable that they don't dare to move (I think Camilla voiced sth like that at the time). Still I think it would be a decent thing to send flowers. And yes Kate has a lot going for her. IMO right now she looks better than ever. Happy with her family, close as well as most larger family. She seems to have bonded well with all the cousins and they all have kids in the same age range, so lots in common. I don't think that the miffs have left much of a gap. She tried her bit to patch things up, but life is short and she has her kids, husband and work, so not really much time to waste on unworthy people. SHould Harry ever split from his wife, I am sure she will be supportive, if he doesn't mess things up anymore, but I think for that we will have to wait a couple of years. Then again he seems at his young age already so bitter, that I fear he won't improve with age. And the Harry people liked, was the one having fun (sometimes too much) and putting a smile on peoples face. All he had to do was grow up. Instead he messed up. And I doubt that their millions will stay with them. NOt with their lifestyle and the little actual work they are doing.
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Post by agentf on Jun 9, 2022 4:03:24 GMT -5
paca , there isn't much you CAN do when a person is hysterical and coming at you with their cloud of God-knows-what. So I don't fault them - Camilla, Charles, Kate & William, for not overtly making a move, if I'm reading the "agro" thing right. I think both H & M lacked disciplining or supervision growing up, yet both from strikingly different angles, and they've become uncontrollable monsters with arrested development that are fusing. Neither knows how to pause and reflect, and come at things from a fresh angle. They are not serene people.
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Post by paca on Jun 9, 2022 14:17:00 GMT -5
well, I think with harry it was his moms death. Had she not died that early and he being so small, I bet they would have acted differently. But everyone felt sorry for the little boy, forgetting that that boy was growing up into a spoilt man. the neglected things when he was young and then expected him to act like a grown up, when he looked the part. Diana has always been everyones excuse. They completely ignored and still do, who she really was at the time of her death and which way she was headed. My prof wrote a book about what happens, when a woman dies young, called over her dead body. It also deals with Marilyn. Anyways the image of the dead woman ends up being seperated from who she was while still breathing. IMO looking at diana then, had she lived and continued on her path, neither of her sons would be speaking to her now. She had a strained relationship with her own mother and most likely would have ended up on the same path. Same goes for the brits. When I lived there not long before they seperated, peole were fed up with her. They wanted them to get it over with instead of her constantly spoonfeeding the media. They thought that once she got her seperation or divorce, she would stop that. We all know that she didn't and I am certain, had she not died, she wouldn#t have. Not for a long time. And she would have messed up her sons in away that would have affected them more then her death did. With her dead, they could eternally love her. It allowed will to built a happy marriage with a normal woman from a normal family and raise happy, well adjusted kids who have great friends within their family which will be great support for them their entire life. What went wrong with Meg, I have no clue. She reminds me a bit of my own inlaw who was jealous for no obvious reason. She alienated my brother from the family, but eventually they divorced anyways. IT lasted about 30 years, but from day one it was obvious that they were not a good match. emotionally to me and many in my family, she never was part of the family. She was tolerated, but there never was a real bond. No common ground or friendship. It wasn't her fault. She just was so different, that it never worked. meg is probably like that in the BRF and she is not making an effort, but on the contrary she is expecting others to make an effort with her. And when they do she despises them for it. There is a bit of Nietzsche in that: I love you, oh you love me, then you can't be good enough for me...
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Post by paca on Jun 12, 2022 6:46:38 GMT -5
so they saw qe2 for a whole 15 minutes over the entire we. not several times as their pet journo claims. And they didn't watch Saturday with her either. I am sure they had higher expectations than that. I suppose they had to fly private to have enough room for all those new grievances they were taking home.
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Post by agentf on Jun 12, 2022 8:33:50 GMT -5
Is that what the palace says? I haven't gotten around to DM yet, but their mouthpiece certainly earns his paycheck flapping his jaw. Btw, congratulations to HM for her longest-reigning monarch double record 👏🏼. On the one hand, had they gone with the low-key approach, even upon their return to the US, I could see how there might be a chance in the future to just adjust in a dignified way to their minor role going forward while still belonging. The thing is that Harry broke his brother's trust so his being relinquished to the background has been precipitated whereas Harry could have instead stayed in British hearts had he been able to hold on to that brotherly bond. Harry is the architect of his isolation. So now we get the thirsty shots of him sweating and stretching next to a horse 🙄. Are they going to try to make him into a stud now?! 🥱 Grievances is all they have. Their brand is plain reactive. The substance has yet to appear imo. so they saw qe2 for a whole 15 minutes over the entire we. not several times as their pet journo claims. And they didn't watch Saturday with her either. I am sure they had higher expectations than that. I suppose they had to fly private to have enough room for all those new grievances they were taking home.
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Post by agentf on Jun 16, 2022 18:20:02 GMT -5
The topic seems to have brought out the recently mentioned...Eringer! He's no fan of wokedom and offers a summary of the criss-crossing dynamics surrounding the duo who actually live in Eringer's longtime base. newspress.com/the-duke-duchess-of-woke-or-woe/
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Post by agentf on Jul 1, 2022 12:09:29 GMT -5
This is intriguing. I'm going to look for the podcast now. This revisits the naming of Harry's daughter and how HM unwittingly gave permission after Harry omitted saying he was naming his child after her... private nickname. But what's fascinating is the messenger. Though he counters by saying naming the baby Doria would have been most appropriate - a little diplomacy inserted, but what H&M don't realize is how the Eurythmics guitarist-lookalike Nicky Haslam - a wildly talented interior designer, who knows so many people, it's almost a super subtle battlecry here. Maybe I'm reading too much into it but the Harkles will be exiled to Style Siberia next. www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10972153/Queen-gave-Harry-permission-daughter-thinking-named-Elizabeth.html
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Post by paca on Jul 1, 2022 13:50:14 GMT -5
I find the fact that they are burrying the bullying report in order to avoid more Montecito drama more disturbing. Charles and QE2 are being blackmailed via the Montecito kids. Lets hope she will run for some kind of office. Then they will have to give up all titles and I am sure an opponent or hostile press will pay a large sum for that report and publish it against their will. And that will be even more embarrassing for the BRF then having it out now. QE2 is making the same mistakes she has made with ANdrew. The longer she lives and those family morons unravel, the more likely she will destroy her own legacy by putting blood over country. ANd with Charles and his antics and the hardship of the British people in the years to come, will not make him very popular either. There might be pressure on him to pass straight to william, but should there be any whiff of scandal ther, I am afraid the BRF will not be very popular. They would find themselves in a rather Spanish situation. I think that Amalias generation of young royals may turn out to give royalty a modern twist and be a contrast to entitled and corrupt politicians. My it is her idealistic youth that is guiding her today, but she is a refreshing contrast to the entitled and greedy twats of politics and the BRF. Also she isn't preaching, she is simply acting and eplaining her reasons. I would be embarrassed to be outdone in m forties by a teenager. And it is not like she hasn't been witness to family drama, given the early deaths of her aunt and uncle... Some people grow, others (like Harry and Albert) use it as a lifelong excuse for messing up.
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Post by agentf on Jul 2, 2022 11:15:42 GMT -5
Definitely some quid pro quos somewhere. I find, as many no doubt would, that love children are far better than harbouring deviance. As for US politics, 🤦🏻♀️ I guess we must go through the bad before the best. One thing I can say - on behalf of those present along the founding fathers, is that neither of them would have wanted anything to do with a Lauren Boebert or a Trump, Steve Bannon, Roger Stone, Paul Manafort, Rudy Giuliani, John Eastman, Ginni and/or Clarence Thomas, Kavanaugh, even Roberts et al, also supposed "oath keepers" and the rest of the circus. Instead, they would have recognized Adam Kinzinger, appreciated Liz Cheney for their bravoury and for taking the country forward on a sound foundation amid all the upheavals. Megan Markle in all this is just part of the sideshow. Democrats need to up their game. The government must suspend the rogue Supreme Court that is upending generations of jurisprudence and circumventing democracy, and place the justices under review for perjury and partiality. Trump needs to be court-martialled and sent to Guantanamo. No double standards, no exceptions. The US needs to tighten its ship. I find the fact that they are burrying the bullying report in order to avoid more Montecito drama more disturbing. Charles and QE2 are being blackmailed via the Montecito kids. Lets hope she will run for some kind of office. Then they will have to give up all titles and I am sure an opponent or hostile press will pay a large sum for that report and publish it against their will. And that will be even more embarrassing for the BRF then having it out now. QE2 is making the same mistakes she has made with ANdrew. The longer she lives and those family morons unravel, the more likely she will destroy her own legacy by putting blood over country. ANd with Charles and his antics and the hardship of the British people in the years to come, will not make him very popular either. There might be pressure on him to pass straight to william, but should there be any whiff of scandal ther, I am afraid the BRF will not be very popular. They would find themselves in a rather Spanish situation. I think that Amalias generation of young royals may turn out to give royalty a modern twist and be a contrast to entitled and corrupt politicians. My it is her idealistic youth that is guiding her today, but she is a refreshing contrast to the entitled and greedy twats of politics and the BRF. Also she isn't preaching, she is simply acting and eplaining her reasons. I would be embarrassed to be outdone in m forties by a teenager. And it is not like she hasn't been witness to family drama, given the early deaths of her aunt and uncle... Some people grow, others (like Harry and Albert) use it as a lifelong excuse for messing up.
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