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Post by paca on Jan 28, 2022 14:15:19 GMT -5
Well, reposting a video from your own foundation is pretty creepy too. No other social media account has posted anything about her birthday. I mean official ones. But also chantells private account did not post anything. I didn#t check the brothers account though. Anyways, I don't think that Caro or any of the Grimaldi blood relations are trying to replace her. They are stepping up for her and they have been making a point of including her blood relations to bring that point across. If it would have been only grimaldis, one could have argued the point, but her family was at NH and other occasions as their personal social media shows as well as indepedent press. The only one who is pushing herself on MC and Albert seems to be an ill advised Nicole. Also regardless how CW feels about Caro, there have been pics of Caro mucking about with the twins on NH from way back, that show that she has for years behind the scenes enjoyed a good relationship with them. Caro, as I have said, has always been able to seperate the children from their parents 't mean it in a bad way, but rather not blaming the children for their parents actions or words) and treat them as independent people. And it seems to be working well. Also I think that CW knows that Caro has been very protective of her own children, so she will be able to count on her protecting her twins. Also she is a very likely ally when it comes to putting Nicole in her place. And what ALbert may not do, Caro can do. I think that Caro would support putting Nicole in her place and preserving Alberts relationship with his sons. Nicole sould better watch out. Albert and Cw, each for their own reasons, may not be able to handle her and keep her at bay, but if Caro perceives her as a threat to the legal heirs, she will mop the floor with her. And Caro has enough influence at her hands in MC, but also in Paris, London etc. that will make Nicole and those egging her on persona non grata. And to my knowledge Nicole has never attended ST devote Mass before. So she is trying to send a message. Especially entering vis tha main entrance and making it a point to be seen. Btw the mass is followed by a proceesion to ST devote church via the palace, hence the balcony pics. I wonder if Jacques cross image was in response to spotting Nicole down in the crowd. If she participated in that part of the celebrations. Anyways I think that CW has already hinted during her stay in SA that she is not opposed to Caro etc taking her children under their wings. in the end, you want your kids to get as much love and cuddles as they need and if you can't be there to give that, it is good that they have others that are save to do so. And as it seems the kids are taking it in from every one in their family and seem to enjoy that. I think it has brought them closer to all their family. It gives them strength now and later as well. to be able to form strong bonds with their wider family at this age will carry on throughout their lives. With a granddad dad and a fragile mother they will have strong emotional support later on in life from their cousins and their children. And they will need it. So lets see the positive aspects of this mess.
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Post by paca on Jan 27, 2022 20:20:19 GMT -5
Well, she wasn't sitting with the family and unlike NH, St devote is open to the public. The church is also not as crowded as on NH. It is interesting that so many family members were present. While Rainier was alive it was usually just Albert and Rainier attending the service, also usually just on 2 chairs front row rather than in their usual places during the tedeum service on NH. So there is nothing Albert could do to prevent her from attending. I think Nicole is driving her own agenda. She looks like she stole CWs clothes and dyed her hair blonde. I think she is pushing it too much and will probably be put in her place soon enough. Her son is an adult. There is no need for ALbert to continue to support her too. She gets tagged along and dined and wined because ALbert has not frozen out people who associate with her. If he does, no one in MC would associate with her. ANd he might have to. CW needs to learn to deal with her presence, but Albert also needs to put her in her place. Albert said that he will protect his family. But Nicole needs to remember that CW is the mother of the legitimate heirs and they need her. If having a relationship with his son will endanger the well being of his heirs, because his mother keeps playing games, he might limit that relationship. Nicole is playing a dangerous game. She lost her elder children, because of the games she played with Albert. SHe might lose her last son, because she can't help herself. Nicole might think she has a foot in the palace because Steph is her sons godmother. She shouldn't forget that she did that for her son, not for her. Caro is also very good at freezing out the mothers. Remember that Chantal was a good friend of hers until she snatched Ernst August? She still has a good relationship with his sons (apparently a better one than he has), but Chantal has never been pictured with her again, despite both attending family events. I think that Nicole could end up the same way. And lets not forget that Caro has apparently taken the children under her wing. I really like to see Nicole trying to get past her.
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Post by paca on Jan 27, 2022 15:48:51 GMT -5
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Post by paca on Jan 27, 2022 15:47:02 GMT -5
So she celebrated her birthday alone and she was a no show for St Devote. As I assumed against the clickbait sites. Anyways the palace has given an update on her health, first stating that she will not participate in ST Devote celebrations and that her dental treatment as well as other treatments continue. For some reason they are speaking of weeks. I am guessing that they are hoping to stabilize her enough for her to continue as outpatient. She can probably do some of her treatment via zoom and travel regularly or continue in MC as an out patient. My guess though is that they will set up sth with her current therapists. That way she can return if need be. Since she is getting private treatment, her therapist could even travel with her for a couple of weeks to help her settling in or seeing her in her home environment. That could be very helpful for the therapist to see how everyone functions in their normal environment. Anyways I think that she won't be home before March. Maybe she will be back for her husbands birthday?
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Post by paca on Jan 25, 2022 17:07:32 GMT -5
I don't think it is school holidays yet. That is when she used to take the kids and I am assuming that she would gather everyone with the grandkids too.
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Post by paca on Jan 25, 2022 11:15:34 GMT -5
btw anyone else find it weird that her foundation aka CHantell posts a message for her birthday? The language of the message is also rather stilted, trying to sound educated when you are not, and it should have been made clear that it is staff aka SA family posting not her. Also they used to refer to her as serene highness etc. being way more formal when speaking of her. Nothing on Chantells personal account and other relations posting on IG. That makes her reposting even more bizarre. As if she is congratulating herself on her BD, because no one else is. I am sure she will received plenty of behind the scenes wishes and gifts, but apparently if it doesn't happe on social media, it doesn't happen. Take that phone off her and change the passwords until she is truly back. There is no need for this. Regardless if she posted this herself or Chantell on her behalf. As long as she is away, she should be offline too.
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Post by paca on Jan 25, 2022 11:07:20 GMT -5
Given that they were seen on Saturday and it was Caros birthday on Sunday, I don't think they stayed until today. I suspect that gifts were handed over ahead of her birthday and they will facetime on the day. they had xmas early as well. I think it is also a lesson to her that yes people think about her, but she is not the center of everything, so has to adapt to the fact that in a large family with public responsibilities you have to compromise.
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Post by paca on Jan 24, 2022 7:50:50 GMT -5
apparently Andrea has been seen with the twins in Küsnacht. Unlike his uncle he went by car. www.vip.de/cms/charlene-von-monaco-holt-ihr-neffe-andrea-casiraghi-sie-zurueck-nach-monaco-4905476.htmlseems like she is getting to see her kids more often. Possibly every weekend. Maybe family members taking turns in taking them? Different people visiting her, maybe also talking to doctors and giving their side of things so the doctors can get a clearer picture of what went on and what needs to change? If really all the family works together on this, then I think that everyone can benefit. At least they seem to be trying.
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Post by paca on Jan 21, 2022 15:44:35 GMT -5
And Spain. In view of the recent publication about the former popes involvement in child abuse cover up, I think that Albert should urge the vatikan to come clean. With a former pope not adhearing to its own teachings (especially considering who Ratzinger was before he became pope), the church has a problem right at the very top. Given that catholicism is state religion in MC, Albert has to demand answers. a taxhaven and prominent member of the worlds largest pedophile club is not a good look for MC. ALbert needs to publicly condemn the churches actions. yes they too, but I think they are too busy struggling for their royals to survive all their scandals. And who knows how bad the church was there towards children and women. IMO the best thing is to leave the church and let them know why you are leaving. If worldwide enough people leave, they will quickly change their tune in many ways. Because ultimately they are all about money and not faith. Faith is for the poor and powerless. But if thise with faith go elsewhere, they are out of power and soon enough out of money.
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Post by paca on Jan 21, 2022 15:40:26 GMT -5
I can imagine the retort from the Vatican would be something about casting the first stone... Alas, leaders don't lead by example. Benedict is denying inspite of the proof. I lived in Freising at the time of his office there. People feared him, but did not like him. There was gossip about him. A lot of people were shocked that he was called to rome, but at the same time they were happy to see the back of him. And just on a sidenote I knew a niece of his too. Funny thing is that she is not supposed to exist. But she has his name and is a spitting image of his late sister. Plus she has the Ratzinger ears. There was a lot of rebellion going on with her. She was in treatment as well due to the family issues she had. Also his brother apparently physically abused some of the choir singers. So maybe abusing and being abused is in their DNA. But they were protected by the church. And then one of them became the church.
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Post by paca on Jan 21, 2022 15:26:15 GMT -5
In view of the recent publication about the former popes involvement in child abuse cover up, I think that Albert should urge the vatikan to come clean. With a former pope not adhearing to its own teachings (especially considering who Ratzinger was before he became pope), the church has a problem right at the very top. Given that catholicism is state religion in MC, Albert has to demand answers. a taxhaven and prominent member of the worlds largest pedophile club is not a good look for MC. ALbert needs to publicly condemn the churches actions. I agree with you Paca. It is not acceptable to stay silent, like men have been doing for each other for the last two milleniums or even longer. as they recently did in India. Letting a rapist bishop go free, because the nun took too long to go to the police because she waited for the Vatican to intervene. But she and her sisters are not giving up. Good on them. But personally I think if women desert the church, because they are denied opportunities and are being abused and because their children are not safe, is the only way to really change things. In Germany alone they would lose millions in taxes. And if politicians would take the churches cover up operation into account, they could simply tax them like other businesses, deny them the parallel jurisdiction and you will see how quickly they will change their tune. A mass exodus from the catholic church would be IMO the only tool that will make them think. The church is nothing without the people. You can still pray to god, if you believe in him. You don't need a pope or priest for that. I am not on twitter etc, but I wonder how quickly a hashtag would be trending and how the vatican would respond to that.
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Post by paca on Jan 20, 2022 16:29:57 GMT -5
In view of the recent publication about the former popes involvement in child abuse cover up, I think that Albert should urge the vatikan to come clean. With a former pope not adhearing to its own teachings (especially considering who Ratzinger was before he became pope), the church has a problem right at the very top. Given that catholicism is state religion in MC, Albert has to demand answers. a taxhaven and prominent member of the worlds largest pedophile club is not a good look for MC. ALbert needs to publicly condemn the churches actions.
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Post by paca on Jan 20, 2022 10:17:58 GMT -5
When I started skiing in the early 70s few people wore helmets. I think only the pros did during races and training. None of our instructors did either (my favourite died many years later literally on skis, having a heart attack on his way down, tragic, but somehow fitting as he died doing what he had done most of his life and loved doing, 10 or 20 years later would have been preferable though). I started wearing a helmet as an example to my kids. Though I never fell in a way it would have been needed. I only remember one major fall due to a collision with a training athlete who hit me from behind full speed. We both had a lucky escape, I didn't even have a bruise. But if you did sports from an early age, you tend to learn to fall and avoid most injuries. Watching professionals dusting themselves off after horrific accidents at high speed and walking away with minor bruises and injuries is always a relief, but comes with the training (not that they train accidents, but their bodies relax and go with the movement rather then fighting it; pretty much like cats)
I don't trust statements of politicians and find it also very disturbing. They should incourage wearing a helmet regardless. A prominent death is bad for business and tourism. It was close to where Schumacher had his accident and we know that he still has not recovered despite wearing a helmet (though his camera on the helmet made the helmet obsolete). So a responsible politician would encourage wearing of helmets and limiting speed.
anyways he collided with another skiier who wore a helmet and is alive. SUre there may have been other issues, but my guess is that it was the lack of helmet, combined with too high speed and inattention at a crossing from both skiiers. Sad, but most likely avoidable. And yeah the Richardson accident, made a lot of people think. In that respect through her death she probably saved a lot of lives, but that is little consolation for the bereaved.
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Post by paca on Jan 19, 2022 18:41:10 GMT -5
and with a small child. I learned from an early age that skiing is a deadly sport. One of the kids, the first one I ever saw wearing a helmet (in the 70s), that I learned skiing with, died at a very young age. To this day I know the tree he hit, racing down the slopes. And alerted my own children to his fate. There were others, but being almost the same age and with my brother, myself and friends skiing without helmet and at the time possibly more reckless, this was particularly impressed on me. It has always been in the back of my mind when skiing and determined my actions on the slopes. I always made sure that I was at all times able to break and always watched fellow skiiers as most overestimate their ability to ski and to stop. Especially around kids or beginners, who are especially unpredictable with regards to which direction they may take and their speed and their mastering of it. I am just glad that ALbert is wearing a helmet these days although he is also of the non helmet generation. And he has his children wear one as well. So it looks like he is being as cautious as can and should be expected.
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Post by paca on Jan 19, 2022 14:23:43 GMT -5
and on a different point, one of his guests of honour at his foundation last year, died today in a skiing accident. RIP If you have kids and go skiing: wear a bloody helmet and ski at a speed that corresponds with your abilities and those of fellow skiiers. You can enjoy skiing responsibly just as much with the benefit of everyone returning home at night alive. Also a word of advice, drinking alcohol on the slopes is just as negligent and dangerous as drunk driving. There is a time and place for everything. Just not all at the same time. I have seen many avoidable skiing accidents in my 50 plus years on the slopes. Skiing off slopes, driking and speed exceeding the abilities of the skiier and lack of helmets where the most common causes of death on the slopes. All of them unnecessary www.monacomatin.mc/vie-locale/decede-ce-mercredi-apres-un-accident-de-ski-lacteur-gaspard-ulliel-etait-present-a-monaco-en-septembre-dernier-740558
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Post by paca on Jan 19, 2022 14:20:13 GMT -5
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Post by paca on Jan 13, 2022 18:07:17 GMT -5
Well, different times, but if you marry into institutions that have existed for centuries or are thriving to do so (with Norway and Belgium being still pretty young RFs), you will have to be prepared to be sacrificied for the greater good. And I have no doubt that Albert will sacrifice CW, should his or his childrens position be at stake. After all there were heirs to the MC throne, so not really a need to father his own "grandchildren". He could have continued his life, recognized his out of wedlock children and left the succession to his nephew. That he did not do that tells us a lot about Albert. He wanted heirs of his own, even if he didn't live long enough to be properly educated and grown into the role. This means that he is way more traditional and into the dynasty thinking then people realize. He is not as feared or respected as his father, but he will put up a fight for his position. And I believe that now that he is a "real" father he is more prepared to do so then ever before. I find it very interesting how he is putting more women in leading positions and also honoring them in public places. he seems to be way more successful in that area than in cleaning MCs image as a haven for tax evaders. There is a plan there and I believe it has to do with what he wants to leave behind for his children. Taking MC into the modern world. He also knows that he doesn't have a lot of time, so regardless of how things are going privately in the marriage, if this situation threatens him or the children, he will throw her under the bus, but possibly take care of her in private. And she needs to be prepared for this. As long as she doesn't understand, that where people count in centuries the indivudual has little considereation, she will always have a problem. As a mother of the heirs, she already has her place in MC history, but she has to decide on how she wants to elaborate on that role.
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Post by paca on Jan 13, 2022 15:45:50 GMT -5
Well, it is one thing being discussed and gossipped about, but quite another to be the subject of fabricated and malicious stories. Obviously marrying into a family like ALberts or the BRF, you have to be prepared for it and realize that it comes with the territory. I do think that on this forum, we mostly discussed her qualification or lack there of for the job. I think that is fair. She put herself up to it and her attitude to everyone trying to help her or advise her (and there have been plenty of people trying to get through to her and help her out) did not play in her favour. It actually might have contributed to her current situation. But since she is currently ill, I think that there is no need to beat someone who is already on the ground. I think that she and ALbert know what went wrong to a degree. Miscommunication and badly handled PR obviously didn't help. But each of them has to acknowledge their share in the matter and adapt or change behaviour or at least learn to communicate better. With each other or those arround. We are seeing right now how even PR professionals like the BRF are deconstructing themselves. Especially in the second row. MC can learn from it for its own future. There have to be possibilities put in place. Like what has been done with Louis these days. Albert used to organize the charity football, now Louis is doing it. It is part of his professional interest anyways, but it also gives him a place and a role in MC and ties him in in the broader frame. Same goes for Camilles job for the young red cross. Anyways I think everyone has a chance right now to reset a few things, take a step back and see how they can do things differently. I still think that we can comment on things. Most of us have been watching and witnessed for years. Many things that are getting rehashed now, are common knowledge to us. I think that most of us thought that her lack of qualification and lack of interest in learning would lead to a divorce and not making her ill. In any case I do think that all parties involved have a chance to learn and improve. And yes the palace will remain the same, the roles and the work as well. Maybe the professionals can help adjust a few things or help accept things that can not e changed or will not be changed. Or find a different solution. But that will not be happening in a few weeks. The Grimaldis have ruled for more than 700 years. One life or one generation does not count that much in a dynasty. The Queen just proved that on her own son. Her ancestors have done so before. The csar and his family could have been saved by their BRF cousins, but dynasty trumps family, so the BRF threw them under the bus for their own benefit. Regardless how they privately felt.It is the justification for being where they are.
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Post by paca on Jan 13, 2022 10:51:02 GMT -5
I find it rather irresponsible of them to insinuate that she is suicidal. She has kids, they can read and they have access to computers. We don't know how they are supervised on them, but you know kids and they know that there are things online about their parents. They have friends and schoolmates who talk and I know by experience that they are being discussed in homes, schools etc. SO so called journalists have an extra responsibility about what they are putting out there. For the kids sake and general decency. So should we. Maybe by not posting clickbait links on the board. I have seen articles and have not posted the links, because I found them irrelevant and pure tea leaf reading. NOne of them are helpful in anything. So maybe before posting these sort of links, think about whether you would want your kids to read articles like that about you. Fictional articles, but none the less harmful. I think we can discuss here without sinking as low as those who are making millions on lies. And they also have the right to keep some things private. Although I recommend getting everything out in the open in private. Family secrets tend to be more harmful then the actual reason for the secret. If you know what is going on, you can deal with it, get explanations etc. BUt secrets are surrounded with lies, half truths, guilt etc. Difficult to battle with ghosts. BTW anyone ever consider that she was a refugee as a child and has experienced trauma that has resurfaced? Somehow I don't see the Wittstocks thinking much about that. Especially when they had to build a new life to feed the kids. I know from the WW2 generation, that the trauma doesn't leave you. You deal with it, and you function well when young, but it comes back as you get older. And lets not forget that she is also menopausal. So this might just be a perfect storm with many things coming together.
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Post by paca on Jan 13, 2022 9:20:57 GMT -5
another badly translated article. Since MC is translated as Munich, my guess is from Italian. Journalism of faith. Sorry, but that has fake news spelled all over it. Real journalism deals with facts not faith. And the St devote articles are BS. Even if she were to return to MC at the time, it is very unlikely she would immediately dive into public duties. I think in that respect we need to turn to the Japanese empress and her return to public view. The rags are just making up stories to fill the news cycle until Albert throws them another bone. Hopefully they all keep stumm until there really is news like a return to MC and an update on further treatments. I am glad there have been no more IG messages. It just creates unnecessary noise.
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