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Post by axelle on Jun 27, 2011 20:03:48 GMT -5
It is sad enough to think of one of those children coming into the world with PA as a "missing father" yet alone this. I hope too that someone speaks up and the truth comes out.
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Post by mrplowfan on Jun 27, 2011 20:20:01 GMT -5
I doubt the mother of a child, in particular one who died young and (if the rumors are true) had to watch her die slowly of an illness, would care to exploit their child in the press for any reason. My bet is that if this girl was Albert's child the mother isn't going to be talking about it as it would rehash some painful memories. I doubt Albert has been a father at all to his kids and this one was no exception.
Of course, if the child had some bad feelings about Albert maybe she would talk...I can't imagine a 19 year old dying of illness caring a flip about a man who was never in their life, though. I think the pressing thing would have been her thoughts for her family who cared...does that make sense?
No matter how many people "see" his kids, I will never believe he's been a good father. I read the letter Jazmin's team sent to Eringer. Nicole said Albert only visited to keep her quiet. I didn't hear Albert at this kid's funeral.
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Post by axelle on Jun 27, 2011 20:24:14 GMT -5
I doubt the mother of a child, in particular one who died young and (if the rumors are true) had to watch her die slowly of an illness, would care to exploit their child in the press for any reason. My bet is that if this girl was Albert's child the mother isn't going to be talking about it as it would rehash some painful memories. I doubt Albert has been a father at all to his kids and this one was no exception. Of course, if the child had some bad feelings about Albert maybe she would talk...I can't imagine a 19 year old dying of illness caring a flip about a man who was never in their life, though. I think the pressing thing would have been her thoughts for her family who cared...does that make sense? I want to hear about the 2 yr old - this other story is too sad.
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Post by mrplowfan on Jun 27, 2011 20:25:55 GMT -5
Axelle, I have a feeling the two year old is a made up story on the internet. Eringer just ran with it without confirmation. If there was heat to that story, the media would be all over it. It would be too good to pass up right before the wedding.
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Post by donna on Jun 28, 2011 5:56:28 GMT -5
Any news of the scandal (Fatal's additional children) that was to break before the wedding?
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Post by paca on Jun 28, 2011 6:21:50 GMT -5
nothing official, only Eringer. I don't think that anything will come up before the wedding. If anything and if they have proof for it, then the media will have a field day AFTER the wedding; NO one would even bother talking about the wedding, everyone would just go on about the newest scandal in MC. It makes a lot better headlines After then before the wedding. But it would give way to an annulment . They might even pull that card once they realize what a flop the wedding is. An assumed child would give room to get the separation going and then, oh it wasn't his after all...but she is gone...no one would talk about the costs of the wedding and Albert wouldn't even look so bad...
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Post by donna on Jun 28, 2011 6:33:42 GMT -5
I see your point Paca. But wouldn't it be more of a scandal if the wedding would be called off last minute, due to some new discoveries? The "Nicole scandal" broke just before Fatal's inauguration and it was a lot more scandal before than it would have been after. Also, if the news breaks before the wedding, then nobody will feel sorry for trashlene after it, if she still goes through with it.
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Post by axelle on Jun 28, 2011 7:02:06 GMT -5
I am quite curious to see what comes up. Any way you slice it this will be interesting (if it is true!).
Just had a thought - now would be a great time for the latest mother to sell the story with all this getting printed. Then she could punt up the goods and make more money!
Time to go to market with the pix......
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Post by cm7007 on Jun 28, 2011 15:50:13 GMT -5
The idea that ANY of these MORONS have ANY MONEY, POWER or CLOUT anywhere in the word - no matter how insignificant is simply FRIGHTENING to me!!!! God help us all if this is how people of any kind of influence conduct their affairs!!! (And as I listen to the news and see what's going on ALL OVER THE WORLD in almost EVERY COUNTRY - I'm beginning to think that is exactly what we are dealing with!)
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Post by paca on Jun 28, 2011 19:44:35 GMT -5
The idea that ANY of these MORONS have ANY MONEY, POWER or CLOUT anywhere in the word - no matter how insignificant is simply FRIGHTENING to me!!!! God help us all if this is how people of any kind of influence conduct their affairs!!! (And as I listen to the news and see what's going on ALL OVER THE WORLD in almost EVERY COUNTRY - I'm beginning to think that is exactly what we are dealing with!) So agreeing with you. It really isn't just Monaco...then again look at the way the Kennedys were and they are still idolized by many. I suspect people have selective memory and selective views of people. They don't seem to think that if you can't get your private life in order that maybe it is due to your character and who you are. I know that journalists have always known about politicians private life, but they only publish once what they preach and portray goes contrary to what they live. People don't seem to realize that the way you act in general says everything about who you are; someone who refuses to take responsibility in private will put the blame on someone else in public to be sure. Because in private he doesn't have to worry too much about what others think, in public he does. People need to be seen as a whole and not just as fractured bits and pieces. they don't use just one trait in certain circumstances and won't in another. Look at CW: she doped and cheated with her body as an athlete and now she is trying to become princess by getting her teeth fixed and numerous surgeries. She has been cheating then and she is cheating now...she is lying in public and in private. It is part of who she is at all times.
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Post by axelle on Jun 28, 2011 19:48:47 GMT -5
I am looking forward to hearing about the other child.....
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Post by cm7007 on Jun 29, 2011 1:36:10 GMT -5
The idea that ANY of these MORONS have ANY MONEY, POWER or CLOUT anywhere in the word - no matter how insignificant is simply FRIGHTENING to me!!!! God help us all if this is how people of any kind of influence conduct their affairs!!! (And as I listen to the news and see what's going on ALL OVER THE WORLD in almost EVERY COUNTRY - I'm beginning to think that is exactly what we are dealing with!) So agreeing with you. It really isn't just Monaco...then again look at the way the Kennedys were and they are still idolized by many. I suspect people have selective memory and selective views of people. They don't seem to think that if you can't get your private life in order that maybe it is due to your character and who you are. I know that journalists have always known about politicians private life, but they only publish once what they preach and portray goes contrary to what they live. People don't seem to realize that the way you act in general says everything about who you are; someone who refuses to take responsibility in private will put the blame on someone else in public to be sure. Because in private he doesn't have to worry too much about what others think, in public he does. People need to be seen as a whole and not just as fractured bits and pieces. they don't use just one trait in certain circumstances and won't in another. Look at CW: she doped and cheated with her body as an athlete and now she is trying to become princess by getting her teeth fixed and numerous surgeries. She has been cheating then and she is cheating now...she is lying in public and in private. It is part of who she is at all times. PACA for President!
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Post by MadameConcorde on Jun 29, 2011 2:06:18 GMT -5
The Palace service that is being specially arranged for the Prince by Fat Barsi is an insult to the teachings of the church and the Roman catholic doctrine.
In the catholic doctrine marriage is a sacrament. Therefore it is not OK for a man to constantly go from one woman to the next at one's every whim. It is not OK to marry and then have a flurry of mistresses on the side. Divorce does not exist in the catholic church.
Barsi is an anti-traditionalist who always had things done his way and to the will of Prince Albert. His religion is all about worldliness and money not about the teachings of Jesus Christ.
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Post by cm7007 on Jun 29, 2011 2:21:55 GMT -5
The Palace service that is being specially arranged for the Prince by Fat Barsi is an insult to the teachings of the church and the Roman catholic doctrine. In the catholic doctrine marriage is a sacrament. Therefore it is not OK for a man to constantly go from one woman to the next at one's every whim. It is not OK to marry and then have a flurry of mistresses on the side. Divorce does not exist in the catholic church. Barsi is an anti-traditionalist who always had things done his way and to the will of Prince Albert. His religion is all about worldliness and money not about the teachings of Jesus Christ. I've heard The Vatican is NOT amused. (Really I have.)
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Post by paca on Jun 29, 2011 3:01:50 GMT -5
Well, there might be someone from the Vatican getting in touch as well. BOTH are catholic now, so both agreed to THEIR rules. I would not be surprised if they send someone to talk to CW. If they do go through with this, they will not be able to get an annulment for certain. Under given circumstances I doubt that the pope will come to Monaco. You can bet that the media will keep the pressure on after the wedding, if it so happens. Every absence, every gesture will be followed by headlines of another row.... they are fools if they think they can just make things go away. It won't.
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Post by MadameConcorde on Jun 29, 2011 4:36:20 GMT -5
By convenience only. It's just a tag they are using to make themselves look acceptable. Albert was born and raised catholic. He did not follow the teachings of the catholic church. He just followed his own whims getting one woman pregnant after another and having multiple affairs. With that the Barsi has a tailor made religious wedding arranged for him? Then the bride to be tries to flee Monaco and she gets caught at the airport? Are they really going to have this wedding? I cannot participate in this mascarade. Not by any means. Total boycott!
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Post by donna on Jun 29, 2011 4:37:42 GMT -5
The Palace service that is being specially arranged for the Prince by Fat Barsi is an insult to the teachings of the church and the Roman catholic doctrine. In the catholic doctrine marriage is a sacrament. Therefore it is not OK for a man to constantly go from one woman to the next at one's every whim. It is not OK to marry and then have a flurry of mistresses on the side. Divorce does not exist in the catholic church. Barsi is an anti-traditionalist who always had things done his way and to the will of Prince Albert. His religion is all about worldliness and money not about the teachings of Jesus Christ. I've heard The Vatican is NOT amused. (Really I have.) Good to hear. I thought the Vatican was all about formality, not integrity.
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Post by hibou on Jun 29, 2011 6:57:48 GMT -5
I got the feeling the current Pope is all about the rules. Having said that, I have known Catholics who commit various sins, go to confession, do their penance, and then turn around and commit the sin again on the excuse that the flesh is weak and they need forgiveness. Who does that sound like? and Barsi allows it. Father Tucker is rolling around in his grave.
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Post by axelle on Jun 29, 2011 8:13:48 GMT -5
Actually I just wrote on another thread the question about the Pope coming to visit them.
If they get married and have to get annulled - remember all that mess that Caroline went through with Junot?
Given the history of this place - right from the beginning when they decided not to use the beautiful chapel - here is their karma coming to bite them in the butts.
None of this has been done with reverence. Vatican must be paying some attention to it.
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Post by cm7007 on Jun 29, 2011 10:43:21 GMT -5
I've heard The Vatican is NOT amused. (Really I have.) Good to hear. I thought the Vatican was all about formality, not integrity. Not when push comes to shove - and this is too high profile. They may react privately - but Barsi will hear about it. And maybe only Barsi will pay for the embarrassment and stupidity. And yes, Hibou. This Pope doesn't fool around. (Not that the last one did, but he was less strict.
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