How do monegasques feel about Albert and Charlene?

[countess]

"I wouldn't be surprised if they thought higher of their dogs than their wifes"

NO doubt, but then again their dogs probably love them unconditionally, while the bimbo loves the checkbook

[margarita]

Good point Countess!

[countess]

according to my reasoning the moneqasques has a doomed future with these two psychopaths determining their future. JMO

www.huffingtonpost.com/jon-ronson/five-reasons-to-be-concer_1_b_861092.html

reasons to be concerned your husband/wife is a psychopath
1. He was very gallant when you first met him, not so gallant now.
2. He's grandiose.
3. He Had Early Behavioral Problems.

Psychopaths are very good at hiding their psychopathy beneath a veneer of normalcy

4. He Engages In Promiscuous Sexual Behavior.
As much as your husband will definitely be wanting to have an affair, he probably won't be. This is because doing so would make him feel incredibly guilty and remorseful. It's those creeping feelings of anxiety that kind of stop us from hurting other people. We want to empathize. We want to be good people. The consensus amongst neurologists is that the part of the brain that shoots the signals of remorse and fear and distress back and forward from the amygdala to the central nervous system under-performs in psychopaths, which frees them up to behave in remorseless, amoral promiscuous ways. They just don't care. So they do it.


5. He Spends too Much Time Learning How To Spot Psychopaths By Using the Hare Checklist

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hare_Psychopathy_Checklist

quote
The previous edition of the PCL-R[5] listed two factors. Factor 1 is labelled "selfish, callous and remorseless use of others". Factor 2 is labelled as "chronically unstable, antisocial and socially deviant lifestyle". There is a high risk of recidivism and currently small likelihood of rehabilitation for those who are labelled as having "psychopathy" on the basis of the PCL-R ratings in the manual for the test, although treatment research is ongoing.

PCL-R Factors 1a and 1b are correlated with narcissistic personality disorder and histrionic personality disorder. It is associated with extroversion and positive affect

[MyAdia]

I swear, Monaco officials are going to rue the day that they decided to make Charlene Wittstock and this wedding the face of Monaco. Here's the front page of the Official Facebook page of the Monaco Government Tourist Office. It's a shrine to mostly Charlene and this wedding. This is such a stupid move. Think about this, if you wanted to visit Monaco, do you want to go to their Facebook page and read all this ridiculous articles about Charlene. This is such a childish and unprofessional Tourism Facebook page.

[emmeline]

omg, the "Ms Charlene is hoping for a child "soon" " kills me! LOL what kind of publicty is this? Why Monaco is being ruled by idiots? Why?!

[paca]

maybe someone should post them to stop insulting people with pushing plastic puppet into everyone's face. wher is the facebook dislike button when you need it

[paca]

Jun 13, 2011 13:54:34 GMT -5 emmeline said:

omg, the "Ms Charlene is hoping for a child "soon" " kills me! LOL what kind of publicty is this? Why Monaco is being ruled by idiots? Why?!

someone should ask them why that would be a reason to come to Monaco. Are they advertising to have another Tamara rotolo? will they offer his sperm for auction so that other women can claim alimony without having to marry him? Honestly the official Monaco tourist office has gone bonkers and needs a crash class in PR

[MyAdia]

A perfect example of the art of ass-licking - Monaco style.

The June 2011 issue of Monaco's La Principaute is dedicated to the perfect couple and the beautiful future Princess of Monaco. In the beginning of this particular article that explains why Albert and Charlene are the perfect couple, the reporter noted that no one in Monaco thought that Charlene would become Princess of Monaco nor did they believe the engagement until they saw the ring. Now, the reporter is singing Charlene's praises as the Savior of Monaco. Please, please explain to me Mr. Roberto Volponi (the reporter) what has changed about this woman since June 2010 that makes you think that now she is so wonderful for Monaco? I'll answer I for you - NOTHING! There is a good reason why no one in Monaco thought that Charlene would be Princess Charlene of Monaco - and those reasons are still there. Good luck in your ass- kissing to Princess Charlene - you are off to a good start!

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I love how they use two photos of Charlene for the cover - before and after the surgical makeover


Here are pages 2 and 3

[MyAdia]

Here's the editorial portion of the article:

EDITORIAL • Why they are a perfect couple ...
by Roberto Volponi
June 2011

When we saw her appear for the first time alongside Prince Albert, who would have bet that Miss Charlene Wittstock would be the future princess of Monaco? Very few of us. And yet ... the complicity Neither the couple then displayed in the galleries of the Winter Olympics in Turin, or the repeated appearances on the arm of the Sovereign Prince on occasions more or less official, had convinced the skeptics that this young girl from southern Africa had really won the heart of her Prince Charming. It took them to see her engagement ring finger to believe ...And yet it was a gamble that could have won quite easily: it was enough to exchange a few words with the entourage of Prince, for - despite the silence and the reluctance - to draw the conclusion that this story would lead to wedding we will attend next month.
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Below is the entire article. Perhaps someone French readers can give a summary of the remaining of the article of why Charlene is so perfect. As a black woman - actually as a woman in general - I became very disgusted at the part where Roberto describes Charlene's blond hair, blue eyes, clear white skin and naturalness as proof of why she is just so perfect.

[sandsla]

Jun 13, 2011 13:52:30 GMT -5 MyAdia said:

I swear, Monaco officials are going to rue the day that they decided to make Charlene Wittstock and this wedding the face of Monaco. Here's the front page of the Official Facebook page of the Monaco Government Tourist Office. It's a shrine to mostly Charlene and this wedding. This is such a stupid move. Think about this, if you wanted to visit Monaco, do you want to go to their Facebook page and read all this ridiculous articles about Charlene. This is such a childish and unprofessional Tourism Facebook page.

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I know I can't get over it! ;D When you think there cannot be a woman as stupid as Charlene, then you see the mentality here??? One can only draw the conclusion that people are intentionally looking to destroy this place, or either Albert who is "meant" to be in charge there. Not that any tourism is ever built around any one person , even a big celebrity, but the kind of people that Monaco needs to draw? That is why I am always laughing about why they think this girl is going to launch a thousand ships? If that could be true of anyone, but what on earth do they think this girl has to offer ANYONE! ;D This girl couldn't get arrested anywhere in the world (well maybe for loitering and.... ), so why do they think people are going to book a trip to Monaco because someone no different than their own small town tramp lives there These people really need to get out of town a little more often if they seriously think this girl could be anything special to anyone. I can only guess Stahl must have slept her way into her position ;D, otherwise you would think she would understand why she should be the kind of women that one might think should be offended! Anyway, they obviously seem to be really impressed with themselves and their BIG FIND! ;D ;D ;D


I wonder if Charlene is what drew "these people" to Monaco! ;D ;D
I hope they are asking themselves that!

The funny thing is all that Monaco has to offer, even it's past image alone, with Grace and Rainier (now of course completely obliterated :, They want to insist on using the biggest and most visible TOWN TRAMP to get attention. When was the last time that made anyone travel to or throw money at a place! NEVER! How surprising! ;D These people are so immature and backwards, and that is the image they have given Monaco!

People never traveled to Monaco just because Grace was the Princess of Monaco, or a movie star, it was because she understood PR and helped to turn Monaco into a cultured glamorous place by inviting talented and interesting people of the day there, because of her own connections as being friends with them, as Grace Kelly....not the Princess of Monaco. She was friends with people and liked for who she was as Grace Kelly...for the person she was...that is why so many people from all walks of life showed up for her. She did not believe or rely that her peacocking around town alone snubbing everyone was going to get people to flock to Monaco just because she was the Princess of Monaco, or she wouldn't have made all the effort that she did to turn Monaco into a cultured sophisticated place that would attract people to visit there....a place that would attract her to visit there, and Grace was already an Oscar winning international star, and she would never act the way Charlene has. Grace also knew how to handle PR because she was smart, she never made their family look like desperate wanna be's that were the kind of people that would sell themselves out.

Grace would have despised a woman like Charlene and Albert knows it, so trying to turn someone like Charlene into his mother is an even bigger slap in the face to her. I think Grace would be horrified by it. I know people who admired her certainly are and Albert's PR people should have considered that. There is no way you can draw a link between these two women other than her son is stupid enough to marry her.


You know it isn't hard for a two year old to know what's right! There is no excuse for these people, as much as they keep trying to make them. With all Albert's money you would think he could hire at least one person who might know what they're doing--all I can think is what do they have on this guy?

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[sandsla]

Jun 13, 2011 16:23:04 GMT -5 MyAdia said:

Here's the editorial portion of the article:

EDITORIAL • Why they are a perfect couple ...
by Roberto Volponi
June 2011

When we saw her appear for the first time alongside Prince Albert, who would have bet that Miss Charlene Wittstock would be the future princess of Monaco? Very few of us. And yet ... the complicity Neither the couple then displayed in the galleries of the Winter Olympics in Turin, or the repeated appearances on the arm of the Sovereign Prince on occasions more or less official, had convinced the skeptics that this young girl from southern Africa had really won the heart of her Prince Charming. It took them to see her engagement ring finger to believe ...And yet it was a gamble that could have won quite easily: it was enough to exchange a few words with the entourage of Prince, for - despite the silence and the reluctance - to draw the conclusion that this story would lead to wedding we will attend next month.
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Below is the entire article. Perhaps someone French readers can give a summary of the remaining of the article of why Charlene is so perfect. As a black woman - actually as a woman in general - I became very disgusted at the part where Roberto describes Charlene's blond hair, blue eyes, clear white skin and naturalness as proof of why she is just so perfect.

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Well I have blond hair blue eyes and white skin and I can tell you I'm equally offended!

This article is another example of trying to apologize for her! And I'm a skeptic and I'm not convinced, so who is this guy trying to convince, or speak of? Who does he IMAGINE he is speaking of? I just hope Albert believes is own hype here, because all his affections for Charlene is costing him and Monaco an awful lot!

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[MyAdia]

Jun 13, 2011 16:59:05 GMT -5 sandsla said:

You know it isn't hard for a two year old to know what's right! There is no excuse for these people, as much as they keep trying to make them. With all Albert's money you would think he could hire at least one person who might know what they're doing--all I can think is what do they have on this guy?

Sandsla, I think it is a combination of people having a lot of dirt on Albert (those useless people he keeps in his employ) and Albert listening to his PR adviser Jean-Luc Mano who told him that marrying Charlene would be a big image booster and economic boom for Monaco. The news magazine JDD actually did an article stating this same thing - I'll post more info about this tomorrow .

[hibou]

May 12, 2011 14:05:24 GMT -5 paca said:

well, since January a lot of people have seen that it doesn't and that nobody cares which general business shows. As I said in Monaco you live in a bubble separated from the rest of the world. It takes a bit longer for reality to set in.

I also think if they told the truth they would end up with no business at all. Albert or his cronies could just push them out. It isn't in their own best interest to go on record saying how bad things really are. JMO

[axelle]

That Facebook page is truly amateur night!

[MyAdia]

I forgot to add the link to Visit Monaco Facebook page - please visit it and you will see just how unprofessional and childish the page really is. It seems to be run by the same fanatics who run Charlene's Facebook page because Visit Monaco includes every little link to these silly stories about the so-called Savior of Monaco - Princess Trashlene. Seriously, Monaco is really being run by a bunch of amateurs - almost like they employed people who can relate to Princess Trashlene's intellect.

[sandsla]

Jun 13, 2011 18:55:05 GMT -5 MyAdia said:

I forgot to add the link to Visit Monaco Facebook page - please visit it and you will see just how unprofessional and childish the page really is. It seems to be run by the same fanatics who run Charlene's Facebook page because Visit Monaco includes every little link to these silly stories about the so-called Savior of Monaco - Princess Trashlene. Seriously, Monaco is really being run by a bunch of amateurs - almost like they employed people who can relate to Princess Trashlene's intellect.

Absolutely and what a frightening thought. It really is far beyond amateur. That is why I'm always saying how embarrassed I am for them. Did Albert hire people that couldn't get a job somewhere else, or does he only hire people who will only tell him what he wants to hear? It is har to tell who is the most incompetent but as far as Monaco goes, Albert is suppose to be in charge? But it doesn't look like anyone is? I can't believe the level of immaturity that they are operating frim.

[viviane]

Sorry all, I'll write a "book" too, as Sandsla do (hello Sandsla, thank you for the avatar ) I will try to minimize. Hem...

About Monegasques or people who live in Monaco :
here's what I've read on the web in forums, blogs and comments. (little information, they speak very little)

In my opinion, the Monegasque are not stupid but I think things are more complicated than that. Fear of losing their advantage and their independence (like Menton and Roquebrune). They are afraid to not longer live in their own country because of Millardair who buy real estate in Monaco. Maybe they think that a prince can be protected them against this "invasion". They no longer feel at home. This is one of the reasons they didn't appreciate the sea extension.

Some of monegasques are well aware that Monaco is the big anything (c'est le grand n'importe quoi) in Monaco and now that things are deteriorating.

Here's what some of them think:

the wedding :
- Comic opera
- When is the next episode ?
- Following on our screens soon ... ;D

Monaco's economic policy:
the "general anything" (I think its a bad translation of google, I want to write : "du grand n'importe quoi") and a bunch of acorns taking advantage of their position! lol
They are also aware of the Narmino scandal concerny an old German and are shocked. (see the website of Robert Eringer for details) This story if its true is shocking

I don't know if you know them but I can not give you the address of the sites I read all these opinions, I'm too afraid they will end up close. 2 of them are already closed. Everything is censored and the press you talk about like "La Principauté" is not well appreciated and is considered as a newspaper that made the publicity of the palace and "smooth" the reality. Nice-Matin too. (Note that I do not live in the south of France so I do not know much.)

prince Albert II <> prince Albert I

As I read the Q & A Eringer (it is not me who wrote that), and as I had made the statement in 2006, Prince Albert II is inspired by his grandfather Prince Albert I, (He said it himself) but obviously it has nothing learned of errors of Prince Albert I and believe me, the Monegasque may rebel against their prince. See the history of Monaco.

It would be interesting to create a new thread to make a parallelism between PA II and Prince Albert I, strikes, large expenditures of money, travel and absences, marriages and seemingly little Convenents consumed (absences and travels)

Conclusion:

Maybe the Monegasques, if they want to preserve their "monarchy", they should follow the exemple of the "monarchy" of St. Roman Empire where the Emperor is a person of nobility elected by a group of voters. The most capable govern. (They could choose a member of the Grimaldi family or someone else, the best able to govern rather than someone who is just is a man born first ...) Or simply a real constitutional monarchy. (where Prince is no longer a representative, what it does already, but no power of decision.)

Pfiou...
Sorry for the lenght I hope that was clear... and that I have not forgotten somthing ! ;D

[MyAdia]

This is a comment that I made when I posted the VSD article in the media/problem with wedding thread:

Jun 15, 2011 14:58:51 GMT -5 MyAdia said:

Oh, how could I forget this information, the article mentions that the people of Monaco do not like Charlene's personality! Also, not many people donated money to their wedding account. Any guesses on what the palace and the two media-whores will do to compensate for this article? I'm thinking that we will see articles this week that all the souvenirs have sold out in the shops and hear testimonies form people in Monaco how happy they are for the wedding and how happy and in love Albert and Charlene is. They cannot so anymore more interviews - they did them all with everyone! Any other suggestions?

And that is exactly what I feel that they have done. TF1, who is airing the wedding, has done two interviews in addition to the book author Alain Perceval, with Monegasques who sing Albert, Charlene and this wedding's praises. This guy, René Croes, former Artistic Director and Director of the Orchestre Philharmonique de Monte-Carlo and former councilor of Monaco, states that the people don't know Charlene very well (come on after 6 years!), but she was perfect at National Day. Think about this: what did Charlene actually have to do at National Day? Dress and up, walk up the stairs, kiss the Bishops hands, walk down the aisle, pretend she understands or cares what was happening during mass and wave at the balcony. GOOD LAWD, these morons have such little standards for this woman. Actually, I really believe that this guy is not such a big fan of Charlene, but of course iut is against the law for him to say this! His the link to the TF1 interview in French

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"We will live a marriage as strong as with Rainier and Grace"

By Ludmilla Intravaia
June 20, 2011

Interview - René Croes was 18 at the Union of Grace Kelly and Prince Rainier in 1956.The arrival of the star ship on the Rock at its first meeting with the princess, not to race through the streets of Monaco to see the parade ... he tells his memories "magical" to TF1 News.

TF1 News: Involved throughout your career in the cultural and social life of Monaco, you are part of an old family of Monaco. What, in your experience, the nature of the relationship that binds the ruler to his subjects?Is it thus important to Monaco to attend weddings in Monaco?
René Croes, former Artistic Director and Director of the Orchestre Philharmonique de Monte-Carlo and former councilor of Monaco: Monaco For we are old, strong links were forged with their rulers. My grandmother, for example, told me his memories with the princes Charles III and Louis II. We are very small (about 8000 Monaco at the moment), which has enabled our rulers to know almost all their subjects. This is the case of Prince Albert II , even if it is sometimes difficult. One can, for example, meet in the streets of Monaco, will greet you and your salvation. He can be himself and sends little notes for events marking the life of his subjects. Prince is close to them and vice versa. In short, the Monegasques have always lived with their sovereign for both happy occasions such as marriage, as unfortunate as the death of Princess Grace who plunged the principality into a terrible grief.

TF1 News: What did you know Grace Kelly before her marriage in 1956?
René Croes: It was known for his films and what we said in the press. The betrothal was announced at Christmas and we were surprised. Their story was secret, in a context where the media were more discreet than now. We knew that the prince had gone in December, with his chaplain to meet the family of Grace Kelly but we could not afford to find out more.We started to follow the preparations for the wedding which took place April 19.

TF1 News: Were you present in Monaco at the arrival of Grace Kelly by boat, April 12?
René Croes: Absolutely. The crowd gathered on the pier to see the steamer, from New York. I saw the yacht of Prince Rainier , the Juvante Deo , go to meet the huge ship, the Constitution. Then we quickly ran on the platform to see Grace Kelly land, while the children gave each flower bouquets. I remember her, her big white hat and her little dog, named Oliver who has long lived in the palace. People were a little disappointed, because with this great hat, we did not see his face.

TF1 News: What was the result of the celebrations?
René Croes: I was fortunate to be invited to the garden party on the terrace of the palace garden, at the end of civil marriage, the eve of the religious union. She was dressed in a gown of lace and carried a small bug. It was the first time I met him. I was 18. Faced with the enthusiastic crowd, she seemed a little shy, a little tired too. She was about to experience challenging but beautiful day, like all married. I remember a woman of exceptional beauty.

TF1 News: A true star?
René Croes: Certainly. She arrived in Monaco to star but after a year she became the princess. She quickly fell into the cauldron of Monaco, immediately becoming involved in the life of the Principality. Later in my career, I found a blooming woman, a kind of constant, a great empathy vis-à-vis the people. She loved the artists who paid him well, like her husband Rainier, good at predicting the evolution of our society. He had ideas about everything and he was right. To him we owe the development of sports, arts and all aspects that make the attractiveness of Monaco.That's why we called him " the boss ."

TF1 News: What do you remember the days of religious marriage?
René Croes: An unforgettable memory. With a group of friends, we have massed along the route of the procession, to see the couple arrive at the cathedral, then get out, related by marriage. Then, as the procession began its way to the church of Sainte Devote to drop the bridal bouquet, we raced to the parade to see them pass on the outward and return journeys. What a race to see them! But what a magical vision than the top down Rolls and Grace Kelly in her gorgeous wedding dress.

TF1 News: What did you do next?
René Croes: Towards half-past twelve I went home, where my grandmother who was almost 90 years had watched the event on television. It was the beginnings of television. Some bought the first big job at the wedding. With us, it was the first television. After exchanging comments with my family, I came out in the afternoon as many popular events, shows and fireworks were held everywhere. And even the good times had begun the game.

TF1 News: Do you think the marriage of Prince Albert you will lavish much joy?
René Croes: Yes. I'm sure we'll relive something so strong with the union of his parents. Monegasques are very attached to the son of Prince Rainier who has many qualities inherited from his mother. Kind and affable, the sovereign is in line with company protocol lighter than its parents. With a great ability to listen, it complements the character of Charlene Wittskock seems sweet and adorable.

TF1 News: What do you know of her?
René Croes: Charlene is ultimately a fairly quiet person that we know little. But she looks good in his head, partly because of her athletic training must also help to resist media pressure.

TF1 News: The bride is often compared to Princess Grace. Do you think she will live up to the height of her role, as did the wife of Rainier?
René Croes: You can always implicitly, make the comparison between the two women, a view of grace, elegance, or the silhouette. But Monaco are well aware that these are two generations, two different times. They do not want to make " cut and paste. "At the last national holiday, everyone was waiting to see how the bride of Prince behave. She was perfect. Not a single misstep. So frankly, we're not worried!

[MyAdia]

This may sound awful because this guy René Croes seems ro really love his country and sincerely love the Prince family, but I cannot wait until Charlene makes him rue the day that he ever said, "She was perfect. Not a single misstep. So frankly, we're not worried!" Sorry René, you should be worried because as you stated you do not even know this woman and most us here do "know" her and you should be worried! Your Monaco and the sycophantic media made sure that you never get to know the real Charlene.

TF1 News: The bride is often compared to Princess Grace. Do you think she will live up to the height of her role, as did the wife of Rainier?

René Croes: You can always implicitly, make the comparison between the two women, a view of grace, elegance, or the silhouette. But Monaco are well aware that these are two generations, two different times. They do not want to make " cut and paste. "At the last national holiday, everyone was waiting to see how the bride of Prince behave. She was perfect. Not a single misstep. So frankly, we're not worried!

[axelle]

Blindness must be bliss over there - cold water wash coming in the near future!