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Post by paca on Jun 22, 2011 17:13:12 GMT -5
2 months premature? That's what women used to say when the father was somewhere else at the time of conception
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Post by margarita on Jun 23, 2011 0:16:30 GMT -5
2 month pre-mature??? Those children rather don't grow that big and high. Charlene has a VERY strong, high and almost male body. Imagine she was born 2 month later? She would be about 1,95 and even more look like a man. Something is strange...
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Post by MyAdia on Jun 23, 2011 13:23:05 GMT -5
I'll post the full Paris Match interview in the next post. Funny, Charlene clearly sent him "home" to Benoni to be interviewed - i.e. moving him from the new Wittstock compound in Roc Agel where he was since right before the Grand Prix. Seriously, the interview seems more like someone gave Paris Match the answers to the questions that they wanted asked and Paris Match just asked Daddy Wittstock the questions. The full article is just more instances of Daddy Wittstock backing up his daughter's lie. I love how the Wittstocks threw in the randomn photo of Charlene, her dad in a random black guy - to show just how much the Wittstocks like those black skinned Africans. I tried to make better the Google translation. Oh, what is clear to me while reading this is that this man does not have a close (or any relationship) with his daughter. It's almost like he is reading a manufactured CV because he cannot convey anything that resembles a father-daughter relationship.
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Post by MyAdia on Jun 23, 2011 14:17:11 GMT -5
Here's the Paris Match link to their interview of Michael Wittstock. I tried to improve on the Google translation. CHARLENE AS SEEN BY HER FATHER: THE LITTLE AFRICAN GIRL WITH WHITE SKIN
Interview by Sophie Ribstein Thursday, June 23, 2011
For Paris Match, Michael tells his daughter, Charlene Wittstock, the adventurous little girl becoming a princess. Michael Wittstock receives Paris Match in his company's gray office. The 60-year old wears a black sweater with a Xerox logo. The future father-in-law of Prince Albert II of Monaco is businessman for the copier company. He still lives in Benoni, there where his daughter grew up, Charlene, in the heart of a in Johannesburg residential suburb bordered by the high heaps of old gold mines. It is with humor and tenderness that he paints a portrait of his daughter, soon-to-be Princess.
Paris Match. What is your first image of Charlene? Michael Wittstock. The first time I saw her she was in an incubator and the nurses told me: "Your little girl is very tough." That was in 1978 when the country was still called Southern Rhodesia. She was born two months premature and survived. And that's how she has always been throughout her life: a very strong girl and strong willed.
What was the childhood of Charlene like, a small African girl with white skin? She was pretty rough. At the time, the country was at war [from independence of Zimbabwe]. So I was not always present. I went to the front for six weeks. But Charlene never really knew what was happening. On weekends, we went to the Gwai riversdie. There were wild animals, elephants, giraffes. Charlene went horse riding. I think she had a very happy childhood. She was a real tomboy! She was running everywhere and always returned covered with dust or dirt.
She learned to swim very young? Yes. At 3 years, she learned to swim. One day our dog pushed her in the pool and she managed to get to the edge. That's how she started. My wife, Lynette, was also very good swimmer. She dove at a professional level and encouraged her to become a champion.
Later, when she was training as a professional, did she have a very disciplined life, almost spartan? Perhaps, at 15, up at 4:30 am every morning and doing dozens of laps, it is necessary to be very focused and motivated. Charlene always knew what she wanted and she is given the means. She was supported and she reached the highest level. I think it's thanks to that she holds up, right now, with all the pressure before the wedding.
What was the hardest during these years of sacrifice? When she injured her shoulder as she prepared for the Beijing Olympics. She then decided to end her career. Immediately after, she chose to move to Monaco. “THIS IS NOT AN EASY TIME FOR THE FAMILY"
She then had the strength to leave everything, to start anew after her life as a champion ... But she did not know if her tale would work with Albert. Do you think she would be able to make the choice to walk in the footsteps of her ancestors, too adventurous? Yes, you may be right. Sure, my ancestors who came from Germany, were very brave people. In 1861, three brothers set out from Hamburg and landed in the Eastern Cape province to rebuild their lives in Africa. When I was 5, with my parents, we moved to Zimbabwe to start, we too, a new adventure. Then, when Charlene was 10, my wife and I decided to return to South Africa in Benoni, to be closer to family. We have never been afraid to go for it all and pursue our dreams!
Charlene's life was turned upside down. Has she changed a lot in Monaco? I saw her transform into a princess there. Before she was jogging all the time. But she acquired a taste for fashion. Now she's a wonderful woman.
Does Charlene confide to you her doubts, her fears? No, not really. She has always been quite secretive. One day I discovered that when she lived in Durban, she was helping AIDS orphans. But she had spoken to her grandmother. I learned many years later. It is like that, humble and discreet.
What bond have you made with Prince Albert? He's a charming guy, easy going. We go to the pub and drink a few glasses. We talk sports, especially rugby. He does not have a big head. I appreciate him very much.
How are you prepare for the wedding? This is not an easy time for the family. My wife lives in Monaco for seven months, with Gareth, one of our son, to help Charlene. I am also here to prepare for the festivities. The family is separated. There are a lot of pressure. And we're not sure yet whether we will all be moving on the Rock or stay here in Benoni. Everything is a blur. One day after another!
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Post by margarita on Jun 23, 2011 14:21:09 GMT -5
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Post by MyAdia on Jun 23, 2011 14:35:59 GMT -5
Not only wan't Papa Wittstock not briefed, Papa Wittstock clearly does not realized that the other Wittstocks His wife Lynette and son Gareth) probably know for sure that they will be living in Monaco slurping off of Albert and Monaco - it's just that they are not informing him until after the con artist uses him to walk her down that (probably multi-million dollar carpet for the "world" to see. Papa Wittstock has truly been dumped but they won't to keep him quiet so not to spoil the main con artist big con job over the Village Idiot of Monaco.
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Post by refia on Jun 23, 2011 14:55:35 GMT -5
What a family!
I can understand if Charlene doesn´t wants contact with him if the relationship is indeed bad. BUT it´s weird to use him for the wedding and than send him back. So what´s wrong with this family?
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Post by paca on Jun 23, 2011 15:14:10 GMT -5
seems like mom is not very houseproud judging by the filth on the kitchen wall. Just look above that kettle.... did she ever hear of using bibs and actually feeding the baby rather then having it smear the food all over himself, the chair and his clothes? I had 2 to feed at the same time, but none of my kids ever looked as unkempt...
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Post by MyAdia on Jun 23, 2011 15:23:25 GMT -5
seems like mom is not very houseproud judging by the filth on the kitchen wall. Just look above that kettle.... did she ever hear of using bibs and actually feeding the baby rather then having it smear the food all over himself, the chair and his clothes? I had 2 to feed at the same time, but none of my kids ever looked as unkempt... Paca, I am sorry, but I am hurling over laughing - not just what you said about Mama Wittstock's cleaning and feeding skills (good lawd, I didn't look at the photos that closely). But (this is a private joke - so sorry everyone), I am visualizing (I am laughing so hard I cannot even type) two little toddlers getting up in the middle of the night to fix their own bottles!
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Post by suite583 on Jun 23, 2011 15:26:37 GMT -5
Here is her real color of her hair
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Post by royalpauper on Jun 23, 2011 15:44:29 GMT -5
2 months premature? That's what women used to say when the father was somewhere else at the time of conception Ha, ha...Paca you are too funny! Unfortunately for WC he is her father. She had inherited his huge nose and masculine walk...
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Post by cm7007 on Jun 23, 2011 16:01:09 GMT -5
Look how filthy that wall on the right is behind the tea kettle! What kind of a home was she raised in. It appears to be even worse than I imagined! AdminNote: Reduced length of quoted text
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Post by paca on Jun 23, 2011 16:05:40 GMT -5
seems like mom is not very houseproud judging by the filth on the kitchen wall. Just look above that kettle.... did she ever hear of using bibs and actually feeding the baby rather then having it smear the food all over himself, the chair and his clothes? I had 2 to feed at the same time, but none of my kids ever looked as unkempt... Paca, I am sorry, but I am hurling over laughing - not just what you said about Mama Wittstock's cleaning and feeding skills (good lawd, I didn't look at the photos that closely). But (this is a private joke - so sorry everyone), I am visualizing (I am laughing so hard I cannot even type) two little toddlers getting up in the middle of the night to fix their own bottles! LOL they didn't fix them, only went to get them out of the fridge when they woke up at night...my boys have always been very good at getting what they want all by themselves. My books and their missing pages bear testimony to that. putting them up higher only encouraged them to stand on their feet instead of using all fours....with one babysitter they climbed on the couch and stood on each others head (smart kids used a baseball hat for protection) to get at some toys....exit babysitter
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Post by mrszinck on Jun 23, 2011 16:27:54 GMT -5
Paris Match is making a joke, right? PS/ Who publishes such photo's?
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Post by sandsla on Jun 23, 2011 19:20:01 GMT -5
I didn't look that closely at these photos, I actually I thought they were in some kind of little playhouse, and that Charlene was a really tall girl ;D I guess that shows how much I pay attention to some of these photos--I suspect she is sitting on the counter. I am not that critical of theses photos-- who knows maybe granny or some cousin gave up some old photo, considering how choreographed everything else is, besides who knows maybe their messy little faces prompted someone to take the photo. I doubt Lynette thought some strange women a world away was going to be examining her kitchen 20 years later. I'll give her break there--raising a narcissistic trampy gold-digging daughter is another story?
Myadia you make me laugh! That is a funny visual ;D But, I totally understand Paca too!
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Post by sandsla on Jun 23, 2011 23:50:07 GMT -5
CHARLENE AS SEEN BY HER FATHER: THE LITTLE AFRICAN GIRL WITH WHITE SKIN
Interview by Sophie Ribstein Thursday, June 23, 2011
For Paris Match, Michael tells his daughter, Charlene Wittstock, the adventurous little girl becoming a princess.
This was the quote I really wanted to highlight.
"What was the hardest during these years of sacrifice?"
"When she injured her shoulder as she prepared for the Beijing Olympics. She then decided to end her career. Immediately after, she chose to move to Monaco".
I found this quote very interesting--first of all, I had started to mention the same topic about another recent interview of hers, where Charlene or the reporter mentions that she twisted her ankle
[/u] and so she missed training for the Beijing Olympics? And I think they also mention the previous time she missed the Olympics in Athens was due to a shoulder injury? But we all know that Charlene told that she had a "shoulder injury" after she came to Monaco, since her reason for going to Europe was to train (so she told in an interview). Plus everyone remembers the staged photo-op of Charlene and Albert being photographed going to the doctors "in Monaco" because of her shoulder injury when and where it was announced that Charlene had a shoulder injury (so she wouldn't be able to train), as if anyone was going to buy it then? (remember the staged pictures of her swimming in the pool in Monaco, and to think she already had the shoulder injury) They put on the little charade for everyone with a photo op for the express purpose to give some excuse as to why she was there and not swimming, as she had just reported in her interview about her purpose for moving to Europe was to train for the Beijing Olympics (this girl is such a compulsive liar, she cannot remember what she tells the press from one day to another). Anyway, that was the interview where she said she couldn't say anything to the media, due to Royal protocol , and then the very next sentence she of course goes on to tell all of another one of her fabricated stories about her plans, and then there is another earlier interview regarding the Athens Olympics where again she was a no show because she explains that she was too devastated from the break up of a relationship....I guess the Rugby player? (a relationship she now wants to deny for some reason ) so in her own words then it wasn't due to any injury as to why she hadn't been swimming for a few years even back then...because no doubt (imo) she had hoped to retire then....to live off some other sucker, until he was smart enough to dump her! They don't want to talk about her relationships, because now is the time someone might want to interview the past men in her life--I am really interested in hearing about her reputation in England? Maybe if she she wasn't such a publicity whore, she would not have a trail of interviews full of contradictions and lies. I like that her dad confirms the truth here (not that he needed to), everyone knows Charlene came to Monaco to live off Albert and to embed herself into "the rock" just as quick as she could. I just love this statement (no he wasn't coached ) :[/color] Does Charlene confide to you her doubts, her fears? No, not really. She has always been quite secretive. One day I discovered that when she lived in Durban, she was helping AIDS orphans. ;D ;D ; But she had spoken to her grandmother. I learned many years later. It is like that, humble and discreet. ;D ;D How they ever think they could convince anyone that this girl is humble and discreet , after she has left a big trail of evidence "her whole life" that shows she is anything but discreet, not to mention the way she has been living her life for the last six years in the public eye! Are these people clueless to what these words mean! ;D
Again, I really don't understand why they just don't leave this kind of thing alone about her, when these claims are so totally hypocritical and outrageous! It makes everyone want to roll on the floor laughing! And if they wanted her to appear to be discreet, then maybe they both should have listened to us when we were complaining about how bad all her indiscretion and publicity seeking made her look! Including Albert. Now they think they can turn the tide and erase her history by just getting someone to print a few words denying it==these people are out of their minds, because after all, is there anything discreet about the way they have handled their wedding that could possibly make anyone believe this about either one of them , even if no one had any idea about how these two conducted their relationship over the years and in the press . Plus is there any way a woman who publicly lives off a rich man and flaunts it in the press could ever be called discreet! I really hope someone is brave enough to put some big red noses on them in their wedding pictures--they really are a "couple of clowns." What bond have you made with Prince Albert? Well , let's see there's the money? ;D and if that wasn't enough. we expect to be taken care of for the rest of our lives living "on the rock" (the palace?) Yes, these people really no what the word discreet means! That said, Myadia I think you are right, he is totally confirming your assessment of the "his" situation, and that of the rest of her family. How are you prepare for the wedding?This is not an easy time for the family. translation with my daughters new found riches, my wife and son are looking to move to Monaco to live off the prince...oh wait a minute they are already there living of the prince, and my daughter isn't even his wife yet! Because none of us must give a thought or care to what the Monegasque people might think of us, or feel about our daughter! Albert is a complete moron--moving Charlene's family there (at all, and ALREADY--they're Barnacles) especially since she admits she never really visited them much for all these years that she's been in Monaco. Really does anyone know how the people in Monaco feel about this? The family sounds like they already had their bags packed six years ago! Albert is never getting rid of her/them now...he is adding the family, because he is so looking forward to having to go to battle with the whole group of them, so I guess he wants to fortify and ensure her position there forever, by making the bright decision of moving in her family--of course , because Albert never uses his head, or acts, on the idea of having any kind of foresight!
Myadia:".....My wife lives in Monaco for seven months, with Gareth, one of our son, to help Charlene.[/b] I am also here to prepare for the festivities. The family is separated. There are a lot of pressure....."[/u][/b] There it is! I almost feel sorry for the guy! And the sugar-babies forums don't get who else was so desperate to get Charlene to the alter! So far he is the only one that sounds truthful about anything (besides Charlene being secretive and discreet) What did her friend say, she let her friend listen in on the phone, when her friend wouldn't believe she went on a date with the prince-this whole story confuses me...one sure think, no one feels they can trust anything she says?
And to help her do what? She's a grown up 32 year old woman! With I am sure, plenty of help!
Her mother being there for a visit only, maybe a week or two before the wedding, might be acceptable? But the grown adult brother! Don't these people have a life somewhere? Seven months--what is he helping her do....besides spending the Prince of Monaco's money? Oh I remember? They are OWED--they have ALL believed they were all OWED!
Myadia, here's the rest of it:
"....And we're not sure yet whether we will all be moving on the Rock or stay here in Benoni. Everything is a blur. One day after another! [/blockquote] In other words I am pretty sure my wife is leaving my ass for greener pastures now that she and Gareth think they have hit pay dirt, because after all, the apple doesn't fall to far from the tree!
Myadia "Grifters" is the perfect way to describe them, at least Charlene, her mother, and brother? Can anyone even imagine their family moving to Monaco to be taken care of by Albert, can you imagine what would have happened if Grace's family had done something like that? Plus Charlene is no child she is 32? You would have thought they at least would have waited for a couple of years after she was married before so blatantly sponging off Albert, but I guess in reality they have been doing it for years, and have always promoted it in there daughter. I was always very careful about what I said about Charlene's family, not that I should be surprised after reading all those posts for years, but now they have proved publicly to everyone why they were campaigning, threatening and pleading so hard, to "just let Charlene have her fairytale faux wedding"! They were all owed after all?
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Post by cm7007 on Jun 24, 2011 2:19:32 GMT -5
I really beginning to think Albert really, truly HATES Monaco and everything about it - especially his parents legacy, He's often said he doesn't like to be there - that's why he travels so much. I think he -not so subconsciously_ is thumbing his nose at Monaco and it's people. I think he hates it that much. Sounds crazy, I know, but there doesn't seem to be any other explanation to his madness!
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Post by margarita on Jun 24, 2011 2:41:20 GMT -5
Sandsla, YES - I remember very clearly: "just reported in her interview about her purpose for moving to Europe was to train for the Beijing Olympics"
YES!!! She even said that she moved to Monaco to train because here are more sponsors and better possibilities to train and compete. I think it was in BUNTE or some of the other sugar papers who promoted Charlene immediatly after she showed up. (Very strange but then again: thank you for documenting her story with all the lies and contradictons from day two!)
It was said that Albert sees that too and supports her to build up a swimming career in Europe. She clearly said she came to Monaco to continue her career and prepare for the Olympics!!!
So the whole relationship started with a lie and is based on a lie: "I -Charlene Lynette Wittstock- am a world class swimmer and don't care for Alberts title and money for I am a proud girl with my own career. I am focused on swimming."
Wasn't it one of Alberts friends who stated that Charlene made it her total focus to marry Albert since she met him? Dear Albert, listen to your friends: "A man can never search and wait too long to find the love of his life." = translation = You gave up and ended up with the wrong.
Grace was 26 when she married Rainier, won an Oscar and was on the top when she gave up everything to go to Monaco.
Charlene pretended to be just like Alberts mother: on the top. To make Albert believe she doesn't need him. While she was nowhere and had to give up nothing but her self-esteem. And that backfires now. I guess that's why she is so nervous and insecure.
You need a lot !! of self esteem and a very strong personality to be independend (a help for Albert) and no marionette in Monaco.
A marionette can't raise a heir and sovereign! Thats what you need most and thats what poor Charlene lacks most.
Desperatly focussed and willing to do everything to get a meal ticket ... means not strong.
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Post by refia on Jun 24, 2011 7:14:05 GMT -5
Yes cm7007! That´s what I thought, too. But he is free to go! I´m all for the takeover of Wilhelm Duke of Urach, descendant of Princess Florestine of Monaco.
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Post by MyAdia on Jun 24, 2011 8:09:25 GMT -5
I really beginning to think Albert really, truly HATES Monaco and everything about it - especially his parents legacy, He's often said he doesn't like to be there - that's why he travels so much. I think he -not so subconsciously_ is thumbing his nose at Monaco and it's people. I think he hates it that much. Sounds crazy, I know, but there doesn't seem to be any other explanation to his madness! CM, I strongly believe this also. Charlene used it to her advantage that the people in Monaco disliked her - that's why she was sure to tell Albert each time about every single incident or snub she felt. She knows how unhappy Albert is about the criticism he gets in Monaco and Charlene knows how fragile Albert's ego is. For Albert, who has an inferiority complex (or as Paca corrected me who is just inferior), an insult to Charlene is an insult to him - since Charlene is his choice. Sandsla, you several all the comments that I was going to touch on later - with proof that Charlene is a pathological liar. I was really hoping though that Charlene had stated that she moved to Monaco because of her shoulder injury instead of her father. I have several articles (Margarita already mentioned some) whereas Charlene stated the opposite. Moe importantly, i have comments from Charlene's friends dated in March of 2007 - even before she swam at the South Africa national swim meet - where she told her friends that she was moving to Monaco. so, in March of 2007, Charlene was already bragging to her friends that she was moving to Monaco. So, Charlene's father statement is just a boldface lie on some many levels. But like his daughter, the but-kissing Paris Match never challenges these people on anything that they say or do.
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