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Post by agentf on Nov 26, 2021 14:23:20 GMT -5
Didn't Tatler do that disobliging piece on Catherine, by the Markle-Mulroney mean girl act? actually it looks like they are more or less celebrating her, making her their January cover, though strictly speaking it is December as it is on sale from Dec 2nd, but who cares about dates? Anyways looks like they will be printing a lot of old pics, also from other family members and rehashing what is already out there. From what I can tell, they have not interviewed her or any Grimaldis. I can't vouch for Chantell though, but basically it looks like a summary of the gossip press from this year and bits and pieces from before. I don't really see schadenfreude there, but maybe I read the wrong bit? Anyways I doubt it will be worth buying and it doesn't speak for them to make a cover with an old pic they bought from getty or so. No original pics with their own photographer? Did they do that before? Imagine Anna doing that with vogue. It is a bit like KL running around in a tracksuit sans glasses and hair done in dreadlocks showing us his grills.(as a fellow Hanseat I am sure he would forgive me) Anyways, the year for their own royals was a bit meh. From a paupers pov, giving every reason to end with BRF, when the grande dame hands in her notice. Charles sells titles for money, Andrew rapes girls, Fergie sells access, Harry has gone gaga and bolted with his wife to cash in on the family, well, will and Kate so far are pretty boring, but will has a temper. So unless qe2 promises to live until 200, there is not much speaking for them, apart from the formidable Anne. With Brexit and Corona not having quite hit home yet, in a few years the public may only willing to pay for one royal, just like democracies ony pay for the president and not his entire family, cousins, cousins cousins and their offspring. they have enough money to finance the family themselves. And enough properties to house them.
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Post by paca on Nov 26, 2021 15:02:40 GMT -5
yup and apparently kates friends stopped reading. Interesting that a magazine this old would stupe so low. There was also controversy about who wrote the bit. Wasn't she the grand daughter of a russian writer? Big name, no talent, but payed heaps just for her name? Anyways a magazine doing copy paste journalism (if you can call it that; there are bloggers more original; heck we are more original and we know more) and adding getty images on their cover is not worth the money. It is not like they are charging like the yellow press. At 5 pounds the issue they are almost as expensive as vogue (though I never bought either; tatler not interested and with vogue, I never knew what was advertising and what was journalism, so only flicked through at doctors, or if a friend left one). If I were a reader, I would expect more for my money. At least pretend you are making an effort.
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Post by agentf on Nov 26, 2021 17:03:04 GMT -5
A hack job, to be sure. Charlene - 2, Albert - 2 (I forgot People last time). Let's try to bet on the next publication ðĪ yup and apparently kates friends stopped reading. Interesting that a magazine this old would stupe so low. There was also controversy about who wrote the bit. Wasn't she the grand daughter of a russian writer? Big name, no talent, but payed heaps just for her name? Anyways a magazine doing copy paste journalism (if you can call it that; there are bloggers more original; heck we are more original and we know more) and adding getty images on their cover is not worth the money. It is not like they are charging like the yellow press. At 5 pounds the issue they are almost as expensive as vogue (though I never bought either; tatler not interested and with vogue, I never knew what was advertising and what was journalism, so only flicked through at doctors, or if a friend left one). If I were a reader, I would expect more for my money. At least pretend you are making an effort.
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Post by paca on Nov 26, 2021 17:18:15 GMT -5
I just wonder how long she can manage to be off social media. Usually it was one news cycle, but since they are rehashing Alberts interviews, she probably needs another week until the media needs stoking again. Sorry, if that sounds snarky. Not having a good day.
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Post by agentf on Nov 26, 2021 20:27:36 GMT -5
No one can say you didn't give her the benefit of the doubt. What if she had the Botswana variant, is what I'm starting to wonder. SA is on the red list. She was just there. Unless we just gave her a blanket excuse...ðĪ·ðŧââïļ I just wonder how long she can manage to be off social media. Usually it was one news cycle, but since they are rehashing Alberts interviews, she probably needs another week until the media needs stoking again. Sorry, if that sounds snarky. Not having a good day.
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Post by paca on Nov 27, 2021 5:11:21 GMT -5
Her problems were ongoing long before the new variant appeared. No I really think she does have mental health issues. Her videos and SA pics for her campaign are testemony to that. I am just wondering if she is really getting help or if this is a spin. they keep doing the 2 track PR and you don't do that if it is about getting someone help. You get both camps to radio silence.
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Post by agentf on Nov 27, 2021 11:44:58 GMT -5
True, I suppose. But what we took for mental health issues at times were merely a product of her origins and the parameters that came with that - whether education, manners or aspirations. I was thinking about your theme of femicide and violence against women, and trying to find the best tools for women to avert pitfalls and I came up with mainly martial arts to frame your thinking in terms of identifying threats and preventing cagey situations, and improving rhetoric skills to get out of tense situations either by defusing or sending your aggressor on another tangent (while you flee) with clever verbal sparring. Always though, a good network of friends with the same self-respect. That's my ideal basic prevention kit. When things begin to escalate, walk away under any pretense to not be goaded or have your buttons pushed. No one can hurt you physically if you're not there. Her problems were ongoing long before the new variant appeared. No I really think she does have mental health issues. Her videos and SA pics for her campaign are testemony to that. I am just wondering if she is really getting help or if this is a spin. they keep doing the 2 track PR and you don't do that if it is about getting someone help. You get both camps to radio silence.
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Post by donna on Nov 27, 2021 13:12:27 GMT -5
Tatler magazine is having a whopping dose of shadenfreude it seems, with a headline that says "More Drama than a Soap Opera". Imo, anything to detract from ahem other more local or expat royals much? Anyway, they pick an otherwise nice enough picture though it points right up her sinuses...ð
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Post by margarita on Nov 27, 2021 18:22:29 GMT -5
www.gala.de/royals/monaco/fuerstin-charl%C3%A8ne--albert-spricht-von-privatsphaere--aber-haelt-sich-nicht-daran-22553632.html'Albert is asking to respect privacy but gives interviews sharing privat information. Only he speaks, Charlene is talked about but does not say a word herself.'- Thats the article in short. IMO it was a good decision to finally open up and adress rumors. But its really a little bit strange that he is now giving one interview after the other. And still there is this double PR. I don't really understand whats going on. As to the interview with Bern "she is not incurable ill" ... I really wonder whether he is in a kind of shock, neglecting reality? Realistic is to acknowledge that nobody can predict how the therapy will work.I doubt that even a diagnose is being given yet. Totally agree with every word paca wrote on this. Nobody knows how and where she wants to live on. So how can he say everything will be fine for sure? Is Albert in shock or a spin going on? Why there still are these alternative sources?
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Post by agentf on Nov 27, 2021 18:26:41 GMT -5
I think there's some dynamic playing out over our heads. And CC is being used in the middle, imo. People turning on each other and stuff. Unless this is always how rough people play at that level. ðĪ·ðŧââïļ www.gala.de/royals/monaco/fuerstin-charl%C3%A8ne--albert-spricht-von-privatsphaere--aber-haelt-sich-nicht-daran-22553632.html'Albert is asking to respect privacy but gives interviews sharing privat information. Only he speaks, Charlene is talked about but does not say a word herself.'- Thats the article in short. IMO it was a good decision to finally open up and adress rumors. But its really a little bit strange that he is now giving one interview after the other. And still there is this double PR. I don't really understand whats going on. As to the interview with Bern "she is not incurable ill" ... I really wonder whether he is in a kind of shock, neglecting reality? Realistic is to acknowledge that nobody can predict how the therapy will work.I doubt that even a diagnose is being given yet. Totally agree with every word paca wrote on this. Nobody knows how and where she wants to live on. So how can he say everything will be fine for sure? Is Albert in shock or a spin going on? Why there still are these alternative sources?
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Post by paca on Nov 27, 2021 20:12:00 GMT -5
www.gala.de/royals/monaco/fuerstin-charl%C3%A8ne--albert-spricht-von-privatsphaere--aber-haelt-sich-nicht-daran-22553632.html'Albert is asking to respect privacy but gives interviews sharing privat information. Only he speaks, Charlene is talked about but does not say a word herself.'- Thats the article in short. IMO it was a good decision to finally open up and adress rumors. But its really a little bit strange that he is now giving one interview after the other. And still there is this double PR. I don't really understand whats going on. As to the interview with Bern "she is not incurable ill" ... I really wonder whether he is in a kind of shock, neglecting reality? Realistic is to acknowledge that nobody can predict how the therapy will work.I doubt that even a diagnose is being given yet. Totally agree with every word paca wrote on this. Nobody knows how and where she wants to live on. So how can he say everything will be fine for sure? Is Albert in shock or a spin going on? Why there still are these alternative sources? The article is right. Though the interviews in itself are not wrong, which the article concedes, it is what he says or better doesn't say. Clear statements would be more helpful. Just call it depression or whatever. But he tells us wht it isn't. It is the old way were women are talked about instead of being allowed to talk. It reminds me of the movie Women by george cukor. You only see women and they constantly talk about men or specifically one man, but there is not a single man in that movie. Albert is doing the reverse. And plenty of articles are written by men. So very 19th century
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Post by paca on Nov 27, 2021 20:14:01 GMT -5
I think there's some dynamic playing out over our heads. And CC is being used in the middle, imo. People turning on each other and stuff. Unless this is always how rough people play at that level. ðĪ·ðŧââïļ www.gala.de/royals/monaco/fuerstin-charl%C3%A8ne--albert-spricht-von-privatsphaere--aber-haelt-sich-nicht-daran-22553632.html'Albert is asking to respect privacy but gives interviews sharing privat information. Only he speaks, Charlene is talked about but does not say a word herself.'- Thats the article in short. IMO it was a good decision to finally open up and adress rumors. But its really a little bit strange that he is now giving one interview after the other. And still there is this double PR. I don't really understand whats going on. As to the interview with Bern "she is not incurable ill" ... I really wonder whether he is in a kind of shock, neglecting reality? Realistic is to acknowledge that nobody can predict how the therapy will work.I doubt that even a diagnose is being given yet. Totally agree with every word paca wrote on this. Nobody knows how and where she wants to live on. So how can he say everything will be fine for sure? Is Albert in shock or a spin going on? Why there still are these alternative sources? Have you read the guardian article I posted? I think that says it all. Or watch succession. The guy who wrote the article says, he can't watch it because it is too close to work...
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Post by agentf on Nov 27, 2021 21:52:08 GMT -5
paca How far back? With 3 exams, I'm taxed in my reading. I come here for fluff, and definitely nothing to close to real life. Alas ð
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Post by margarita on Nov 28, 2021 3:29:16 GMT -5
Just found and read the Guardian article - it's in the Charlene thread - thanks Paca! Well - I don't know sooo many super rich people. From my experience you can say much about the man if you look at the wife. I mean - the kind of wife he has picked. Those with wifes with self-esteem who had a more down-to-earth life earlier, have an education ect. are very different from those with less intelligent less educated wifes. Those with a witty wise wife who has her own opinion, seems balanced in herself ect. are usually much more balanced themselve - regardless on how much money they have. There is emphaty and responsibility for others and joy of life. But I know some - one of them better - who have rather stupid and uneducaded wifes (not every woman without higher education is stupid) plus some kind of brainblond permanent callgirls in addition who only dream of becoming the next Mrs. XY. The one I know for years told me he has an allergy not only on his skin but on life (!). He is hardly trusting someone but sometimes opens up a bit when we can talk under 4 eyes. I think it is because I call silly cows silly cows and tell him things he doesn't want to hear but for some reason askes my opinion whenever he is totally confused. And until now everything I told him was proven true or happened. I think that builded some trust over the years. I am talking the whole day - but always expressing the thoughts of other people. Its ok - thats my job. But although I'm talking nonstop I barely can say a word on my own. A sea of water and no drop to drink ðĪŠ .It feels like voiceless - it's ironic ð So whenever I'm asked or get the chance to have a word on my own - I'm using it And you can divide the second category of men (with silly wifes) in two under-categories. Those who don't accept being critizised and those who even (sounds strange) kind of enjoy it - maybe because it feels like comming in touch with reality. At least for them I see hope on the horizon.
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Post by margarita on Nov 28, 2021 3:56:58 GMT -5
What makes me think Albert is in a kind of shock after Charlene returned and he saw that her (their !) problem is much bigger that he thought it to be (well - we don't know if it was like that but it's an option): a wife or husband with a deep depression or disorder or other serious mental issues is still a partner, wife or husband but like a person with a broken leg in a way. It sounds strange when he states that she needs mental help but at the same time says 'we have no problems as a couple'. It is like saying 'oh my wife has broken both legs but we are dancing really fine'.
Whatever it is has to do with her as his partner and wife too and with her role and life in MC as well. So how can he divide this?
There always is an impact on the relationship if one of the partners has serious mental problems.
Is he closing eyes and fears to see the truth and speak it out - that nobody knows now how things will go on?
Is it the first shock? Or is he closing eyes because speaking out the truth would mean to acknowledge that he contributed to the situation by marrying her.
Its really tragic - he waited so many years and then that ð.
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Post by paca on Nov 28, 2021 4:54:15 GMT -5
paca How far back? With 3 exams, I'm taxed in my reading. I come here for fluff, and definitely nothing to close to real life. Alas ð a week or so, you could probably find it quickly in guardian search under succession
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Post by margarita on Nov 28, 2021 5:04:32 GMT -5
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Post by paca on Nov 28, 2021 5:23:16 GMT -5
Just found and read the Guardian article - it's in the Charlene thread - thanks Paca! Well - I don't know sooo many super rich people. From my experience you can say much about the man if you look at the wife. I mean - the kind of wife he has picked. Those with wifes with self-esteem who had a more down-to-earth life earlier, have an education ect. are very different from those with less intelligent less educated wifes. Those with a witty wise wife who has her own opinion, seems balanced in herself ect. are usually much more balanced themselve - regardless on how much money they have. There is emphaty and responsibility for others and joy of life. But I know some - one of them better - who have rather stupid and uneducaded wifes (not every woman without higher education is stupid) plus some kind of brainblond permanent callgirls in addition who only dream of becoming the next Mrs. XY. The one I know for years told me he has an allergy not only on his skin but on life (!). He is hardly trusting someone but sometimes opens up a bit when we can talk under 4 eyes. I think it is because I call silly cows silly cows and tell him things he doesn't want to hear but for some reason askes my opinion whenever he is totally confused. And until now everything I told him was proven true or happened. I think that builded some trust over the years. I am talking the whole day - but always expressing the thoughts of other people. Its ok - thats my job. But although I'm talking nonstop I barely can say a word on my own. A sea of water and no drop to drink ðĪŠ .It feels like voiceless - it's ironic ð So whenever I'm asked or get the chance to have a word on my own - I'm using it And you can divide the second category of men (with silly wifes) in two under-categories. Those who don't accept being critizised and those who even (sounds strange) kind of enjoy it - maybe because it feels like comming in touch with reality. At least for them I see hope on the horizon. Well, I have seen plenty with great first wives, opting for a bimbo in the second, third and counting round. Or with brilliant wives and cheating on them with bimbos. Some women know and tolerate that, others pretend to not know. Just look at all those oligarch first wives. Not easy to divorce them and get your share. And yes their share, because they allowed them to go off and get billions, while they looked after everything else. BTW in russia it is normal to have a wife and a young bimbo on the side. They are kept like CW before the wedding. They have to be available and look good and jump when he says. Only premise is that they move in different circles. Naomi was sth like that for her russian. Not sure, if she thought he would ever marry her. He certainly didn't want to. He got what he wanted for free. So why bother. Personally I do look at whom they are associating with, who their close friends are. If you tolerate the likes of phil green and his wife, then I wouldn't want to associate with you. If you follow Melania Trump on social media, I don't want you as my friend either. And I don't care about your reasons to follow her. Social media can tell you a lot about people. It is interesting how little attention people pay. That is why I went to a dive into the trashstocks. It tells you how they tick. Especially Chantell. I bet you, should CW divorce and decide to disappear, her brother would get divorced too and Chantell would make sure she gets a wellknown rich guy, before she no longer has access. Because she enjoys the spotlight, the lifestyle etc. She is a golddigger par excellence, but with little opportunity. Her husband has only one attraction and that is his link to Monaco. Currently she gets work via CW and attention via CW. she has children who are cousins to the twins. So now she has a link of her own. Should the gravy train move on, so will she. And she will be selling herself as the mother of the Monaco cousins. No need to stay with the guy who lokks more and more like his bourish dad and who is uncomfortable in the spotlight
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Post by paca on Nov 28, 2021 5:38:13 GMT -5
What makes me think Albert is in a kind of shock after Charlene returned and he saw that her (their !) problem is much bigger that he thought it to be (well - we don't know if it was like that but it's an option): a wife or husband with a deep depression or disorder or other serious mental issues is still a partner, wife or husband but like a person with a broken leg in a way. It sounds strange when he states that she needs mental help but at the same time says 'we have no problems as a couple'. It is like saying 'oh my wife has broken both legs but we are dancing really fine'. Whatever it is has to do with her as his partner and wife too and with her role and life in MC as well. So how can he divide this? There always is an impact on the relationship if one of the partners has serious mental problems. Is he closing eyes and fears to see the truth and speak it out - that nobody knows now how things will go on? Is it the first shock? Or is he closing eyes because speaking out the truth would mean to acknowledge that he contributed to the situation by marrying her. Its really tragic - he waited so many years and then that ð. As I have said before, his interviews are wishful thinking. They have nothing to do with reality. Mental health takes a toll. A lot of families break up due to that. Especially when there are small children involved. Because people with mental health issues can not be partners. And in therapy it can very well turn out that the marriage is the issue and they shouldn't have gone into the marriage to begin with. It is complicated, as are relationships. I also noticed that women who survived cancer often divorce or leave their partners. Others feel a stronger bond. You just have to wait and see
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Post by paca on Nov 28, 2021 5:39:05 GMT -5
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