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Post by margarita on Sept 8, 2021 5:42:35 GMT -5
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Post by agentf on Sept 8, 2021 6:54:45 GMT -5
Translation: ok, you can relax now, the kids will be busy at school and too tired after to be unruly. I'm p!ssed at you but you need to bring up the rear because I can't rule, be a concerned husband and a full-time single dad all at once. I used to like People growing up, but what a tool for cotton candy propaganda. Maybe he wants to head off the Oprah interview by speaking in America. Idk people.com/royals/prince-albert-prince-jacques-princess-gabriella-ireland-trip/"The kids are back to school on Monday," Albert, 63, tells PEOPLE. "I'm looking forward to Charlene being back. Looking forward to her being back because she's part of my life, part of our lives, part of life in Monaco. I'm also looking forward to her helping me with the children and with different things as she has in the past because it's a team effort. When one of the team members isn't there, it's a lot more difficult." Can someone tell us what that means? Didn't he get it finally that Charlene has serious mental problems (unsocial character)?? Or is it part of tactic? But if it is tactic then whats the name of the game? Come back home and a real fulltime job is waiting for you - and then do your job finally or go? Maybe Paca is right and he will give her a last chance and then wait and see... But MC won't get rid of her so quickly... or what do you think?
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Post by agentf on Sept 8, 2021 7:03:53 GMT -5
There's an Irish startup doing unmanned research vessels used for mapping the seabed. I'd look into that, personally. The vessel is solar powered too.
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Post by paca on Sept 8, 2021 7:12:33 GMT -5
My guess is that this was before her brief hospital stint. He still thinks that those pics worked (which they didn't as their 2 year tour of this is not an arranged marriage didn#t work either). And his behaviour just doesn't show a loving husband. Never did (remember that seperate honeymoon in different hotels in SA). At this point he is still playing to the 10 year anniversary and the fact that she is officially ill. He is not acknowledging that she certainly has mental health issues. But he knows that a number of people would look badly on him, if he deserted her now. That he prefers to go on vacation in Corsica instead of going to SA, doesn't seem to be contradictory to him. So for now, he just wants her on the balcony for National holiday. It is the last major occasion in MC this year. And he wants her there. After that there is nothing until end of January and it is fairly calm after that till around easter. By then things will have calmed down and they can figure out what to do. Albert knows that his mother has bolted and came back and threw herself into work and her role, when she didn't press dead flowers. He might give Charlene that opportunity to prolong her contract. They may make adjustments. They might even make a statement with reducing her workload officially due to health reasons (i.e. similar to Mette). The other possibility will be an official seperation, not being able to work difficulties out due to long seperation yada yada, and maybe a divorce by 2023. I think the place to watch is how she is depicted in MC matin. Will she be mentioned and how. I think we can see small changes that point to a seperation right now, but we will have to be patient. Interestingly is also that neither Nicole nor Alex and Jazmin are mentioned there, so officially in MC they do not exist, although they do. So for now there are no plans for Alex. That may come later though. It all depends how things develop and also on how healthy Albert will stay in the coming years.
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Post by paca on Sept 8, 2021 7:18:13 GMT -5
Translation: ok, you can relax now, the kids will be busy at school and too tired after to be unruly. I'm p!ssed at you but you need to bring up the rear because I can't rule, be a concerned husband and a full-time single dad all at once. I used to like People growing up, but what a tool for cotton candy propaganda. Maybe he wants to head off the Oprah interview by speaking in America. Idk people.com/royals/prince-albert-prince-jacques-princess-gabriella-ireland-trip/"The kids are back to school on Monday," Albert, 63, tells PEOPLE. "I'm looking forward to Charlene being back. Looking forward to her being back because she's part of my life, part of our lives, part of life in Monaco. I'm also looking forward to her helping me with the children and with different things as she has in the past because it's a team effort. When one of the team members isn't there, it's a lot more difficult." Can someone tell us what that means? Didn't he get it finally that Charlene has serious mental problems (unsocial character)?? Or is it part of tactic? But if it is tactic then whats the name of the game? Come back home and a real fulltime job is waiting for you - and then do your job finally or go? Maybe Paca is right and he will give her a last chance and then wait and see... But MC won't get rid of her so quickly... or what do you think? There won't be an Oprah interview. there will be a strict NDA tied to her send off package. And I think that would include her family too. I think that Albert is way to aware of that kind of thing and to my knowledge none of the exes of his sisters has ever blabbed or ever will. Daniel was a bit of a wild card doing reality tv, but nothing like the markles. And I think the same would apply to that trailor lot from SA. Not happening. I think that Nicoles stints are the only ones we will get to witness. And she said nothing bad about Albert.
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Post by agentf on Sept 8, 2021 7:23:21 GMT -5
Nicole's stint ofc didn't shade Albert. She's quite transparent this way, and to wage his public fights showed her scrappy nature. She seems to be self-aware she's also not his equal, by volunteering to go to the mat for him or their son. The PR was already good around his birthday celebration, she just had to go overboard. Ugh and please, not the Markles!! If ever there was a need for NDAs!!! Translation: ok, you can relax now, the kids will be busy at school and too tired after to be unruly. I'm p!ssed at you but you need to bring up the rear because I can't rule, be a concerned husband and a full-time single dad all at once. I used to like People growing up, but what a tool for cotton candy propaganda. Maybe he wants to head off the Oprah interview by speaking in America. Idk There won't be an Oprah interview. there will be a strict NDA tied to her send off package. And I think that would include her family too. I think that Albert is way to aware of that kind of thing and to my knowledge none of the exes of his sisters has ever blabbed or ever will. Daniel was a bit of a wild card doing reality tv, but nothing like the markles. And I think the same would apply to that trailor lot from SA. Not happening. I think that Nicoles stints are the only ones we will get to witness. And she said nothing bad about Albert.
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Post by paca on Sept 8, 2021 8:02:16 GMT -5
Well, at least the markles can't deny they are related. Apart from Doria, all of them have run to the press to bad mouth relatives. Nicole has her own agenda, but she stays quiet if it could hurt her son. To a degree I get her. I certainly support that her son should not be treated like a dirty secret. Society has changed, even in MC. Camille has been on the balcony and so should Alex and Jazmin. I see no reason why they shouldn't happen. As Alberts son and Monegasque, Alex could even go into MC politics. He doesn't have to inherit the throne, but he can vote and be voted for. And Albert could appoint him to a role in his government, once he finished his education. So it would be not a bad idea even in that respect, should they have considered that road for him, to make him more visible. And Charlene could boos t her image, if she didn't play the part of evil step mom. As difficult as it might be for her, the kids were there long before her. She knew about them, so might as well embrace it publicly and make it a point to invite them to certain public and private occasions. btw I don't remember Charlene being at Louis wedding. Maybe now we know why...
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Post by paca on Sept 8, 2021 15:06:52 GMT -5
Albert is busy travelling again. He was in Kiel today. He was there to baptise a submarine and a few other things. All related to Albert I and ocean science. He will also attend a dinner tonight. He spoke about Charlenes health and says in a few days we will know when she can travel. ( duh she could travel before, just not fly. There are trains and ships you know?) Obviously he denies marriage trouble and blames the mediahttps://www.merkur.de/boulevard/charlene-von-monaco-krank-news-fuerst-albert-aktuell-royals-gesundheit-trennung-90969458.html Apparently in people he strongly denies any fall out with him or anyone else before she left. (of course he would) He says he should have addressed the rumours earlier, but thought that they would go away. And yes they are both bothered by the rumours. Well, there is an easy way to end them: act like you care, then maybe people will believe you... www.gala.de/royals/allgemein/fuerst-albert-ii--von-monaco--charl%C3%A8ne--ging-nicht-ins-exil--22504936.html
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Post by paca on Sept 8, 2021 15:14:13 GMT -5
Yesterday Albert attended Kate Powers Funeral. Apparently it was televised. That doesn't happen often in MC. Usually only members of the ruling family being burried. So this is pretty special. Interesting that Charlene did not post any condolences on her IG. Guess she didn't consider her a friend..., a lifelong friend of her husband, the daughter of Graces friend, so family ties go back about 70 years. And they are surprised at the rumours? www.monacomatin.mc/vie-locale/monaco-a-rendu-un-vibrant-hommage-a-kate-powers-712856
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Post by agentf on Sept 8, 2021 18:22:50 GMT -5
So many famous deaths too - Belmondo, as well as the actor in Parapluies de Cherbourg. Very sad. Yesterday Albert attended Kate Powers Funeral. Apparently it was televised. That doesn't happen often in MC. Usually only members of the ruling family being burried. So this is pretty special. Interesting that Charlene did not post any condolences on her IG. Guess she didn't consider her a friend..., a lifelong friend of her husband, the daughter of Graces friend, so family ties go back about 70 years. And they are surprised at the rumours? www.monacomatin.mc/vie-locale/monaco-a-rendu-un-vibrant-hommage-a-kate-powers-712856
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Post by axelle on Sept 8, 2021 19:10:52 GMT -5
Yesterday Albert attended Kate Powers Funeral. Apparently it was televised. That doesn't happen often in MC. Usually only members of the ruling family being burried. So this is pretty special. Interesting that Charlene did not post any condolences on her IG. Guess she didn't consider her a friend..., a lifelong friend of her husband, the daughter of Graces friend, so family ties go back about 70 years. And they are surprised at the rumours? www.monacomatin.mc/vie-locale/monaco-a-rendu-un-vibrant-hommage-a-kate-powers-712856I am really surprised that she didn't post anything about this given how close PA and Mike Powers are. True there is a history there with their friendship.
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Post by margarita on Sept 9, 2021 4:44:08 GMT -5
Yesterday Albert attended Kate Powers Funeral. Apparently it was televised. That doesn't happen often in MC. Usually only members of the ruling family being burried. So this is pretty special. Interesting that Charlene did not post any condolences on her IG. Guess she didn't consider her a friend..., a lifelong friend of her husband, the daughter of Graces friend, so family ties go back about 70 years. And they are surprised at the rumours? www.monacomatin.mc/vie-locale/monaco-a-rendu-un-vibrant-hommage-a-kate-powers-712856Paca - I'm 100% with you. She has no bonds to Monaco or even to Albert and his family unlike $$$.
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Post by margarita on Sept 9, 2021 4:59:11 GMT -5
Albert is busy travelling again. He was in Kiel today. He was there to baptise a submarine and a few other things. All related to Albert I and ocean science. He will also attend a dinner tonight. He spoke about Charlenes health and says in a few days we will know when she can travel. ( duh she could travel before, just not fly. There are trains and ships you know?) Obviously he denies marriage trouble and blames the mediahttps://www.merkur.de/boulevard/charlene-von-monaco-krank-news-fuerst-albert-aktuell-royals-gesundheit-trennung-90969458.html Apparently in people he strongly denies any fall out with him or anyone else before she left. (of course he would) He says he should have addressed the rumours earlier, but thought that they would go away. And yes they are both bothered by the rumours. Well, there is an easy way to end them: act like you care, then maybe people will believe you... www.gala.de/royals/allgemein/fuerst-albert-ii--von-monaco--charl%C3%A8ne--ging-nicht-ins-exil--22504936.htmlI checked out BILD in the bakery store this morning because you can't read the whole article online. It says the same like GALA. Plus he added that he is convinced that Charlene will soon be back. Funny they are noticing now that people wonder. I mean - there is a big writing on the wall. Since many month. I don't wonder Charlene can't read it because she can't read. But Albert ... And don't they have a PR-team? Don't they have personal advisors? Or do they simply not listen?? Again - I don't wonder why Charlene does what she wants because her character does not allow to act more mature. But why is Albert so blind and acting so slowly? Is he afraid of public opinion in case of divorce? As you wrote already Paca- there is no reason to be afraid now. My guess is that he does not like confrontations and hopes the problem will be solved by time. But it won't. Charlene is not Grace. There are worlds between them. And yes - Grace bolted too but came back. But she was someone before she came to Monaco. She had a career! She was famous. She had alternatives to Monaco. But CC has no reason to bold. She was nobody. She had no altertatives (unlike finishing school, get an education, start to work - I mean - really work including interacting with people- and have a modest normal life). So the should say big thanks to Albert and Monaco so far. And really do the job (which she is unable to because she can interact with water but not with people - and because her brain does not allow. Plus she is lazy. At 43 a person woll not change her character.) or quit the "job" but settle down near Monaco and care for her kids.
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Post by agentf on Sept 9, 2021 5:32:19 GMT -5
Albert may not like confrontations but his style leaves somewhat to be desired. The laissez-faire, the lack of memo at her need to step up or lack of team building, the parachuting of an ex to fight his battle, etc. Granted he's dealing with someone who is "bouchée", and as Margarita hints, may be illiterate (!) but he must take leadership of his family. It's too ad hoc. I mean thank God he has his late grandfather to keep him busy lately but maybe he should meditate more on what the man would advise him. It's true sometimes when we grow up without our grandparents, we miss a lot that would help close the loop on things and help us. But if not for his sake, then the children's sake, give his family a direction. That goes for others too. Albert is busy travelling again. He was in Kiel today. He was there to baptise a submarine and a few other things. All related to Albert I and ocean science. He will also attend a dinner tonight. He spoke about Charlenes health and says in a few days we will know when she can travel. ( duh she could travel before, just not fly. There are trains and ships you know?) Obviously he denies marriage trouble and blames the mediahttps://www.merkur.de/boulevard/charlene-von-monaco-krank-news-fuerst-albert-aktuell-royals-gesundheit-trennung-90969458.html Apparently in people he strongly denies any fall out with him or anyone else before she left. (of course he would) He says he should have addressed the rumours earlier, but thought that they would go away. And yes they are both bothered by the rumours. Well, there is an easy way to end them: act like you care, then maybe people will believe you... www.gala.de/royals/allgemein/fuerst-albert-ii--von-monaco--charl%C3%A8ne--ging-nicht-ins-exil--22504936.htmlI checked out BILD in the bakery store this morning because you can't read the whole article online. It says the same like GALA. Plus he added that he is convinced that Charlene will soon be back. Funny they are noticing now that people wonder. I mean - there is a big writing on the wall. Since many month. I don't wonder Charlene can't read it because she can't read. But Albert ... And don't they have a PR-team? Don't they have personal advisors? Or do they simply not listen?? Again - I don't wonder why Charlene does what she wants because her character does not allow to act more mature. But why is Albert so blind and acting so slowly? Is he afraid of public opinion in case of divorce? As you wrote already Paca- there is no reason to be afraid now. My guess is that he does not like confrontations and hopes the problem will be solved by time. But it won't. Charlene is not Grace. There are worlds between them. And yes - Grace bolted too but came back. But she was someone before she came to Monaco. She had a career! She was famous. She had alternatives to Monaco. But CC has no reason to bold. She was nobody. She had no altertatives (unlike finishing school, get an education, start to work - I mean - really work including interacting with people- and have a modest normal life). So the should say big thanks to Albert and Monaco so far. And really do the job (which she is unable to because she can interact with water but not with people - and because her brain does not allow. Plus she is lazy. At 43 a person woll not change her character.) or quit the "job" but settle down near Monaco and care for her kids.
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Post by margarita on Sept 9, 2021 6:09:50 GMT -5
agentf: "he must take leadership of his family. It's too ad hoc. I mean thank God he has his late grandfather to keep him busy lately but maybe he should meditate more on what the man would advise him. It's true sometimes when we grow up without our grandparents, we miss a lot that would help close the loop on things and help us. But if not for his sake, then the children's sake, give his family a direction. That goes for others too." So true!!!
It was his mistake to marry her and now he has to eat the soup he was cooking. In terms of: realize better late then never that she is a miscast and save the children and Monaco + his family (I'm sure there are a lot of tensions between them which are caused by Charlene and her not doing the job).
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Post by paca on Sept 9, 2021 7:38:13 GMT -5
I know I am a pain in the neck but Albert 1st was his great great grandfather. It would have been very difficult for him, to have known him. I doubt that anyone ever met their great great grandparent. Albert knew his grandfather, a Polignac, who was btw gay, but obviously no one wants to talk about it in MC because to my knowledge homosexuality is still illegal in MC. At least it still was in 2011. (now there is sth Albert should be questioned about in this day and age and he should be ashamed of not changing the law, which would be absolutely in his power, as well as abortion law, which still forces women to get abortions illegally outside MC; not that I know of any prosecution of a case, but having a law and not applying it, is not the same as actually giving women the right over their own bodies) Anyways here is a link to the SA reporting. www.news24.com/channel/gossip/royal-news/prince-albert-addresses-rumours-of-split-from-princess-charlenes-amid-her-extended-stay-in-sa-20210909-2 Nothing new, but it is in English and quotes the people article. I think it conveys Alberts attitude towards rumours. Let't not forget that he grew up in MC. Even Rainier admitted that MC is the rumour capital of the world. It is a small place and people talk. So at 63, I think he has simply gotten used to it and ignoring it. At least locally. I think it bothers him when it gets international and he has to answer to foreign press about rumours, when he is actually doing his job. So it affects his job and the perception of him and MC. But affects him differently to Charlene, who is not that thick skinned, but also doen't do the job properly, so obviously she is a target for everyone who is unhappy with her work. I think the palace is wise, not to comment on everything. They should have made statements to her health early and update frequently, sprinkling the odd personal note in, to avoid rumours about the marriage. They should have mad arrangements either for the kids to join her in SA or looked for alternative travel. They should have foreseen the rumours. With the kids in SA, it woud have been clear that there is no rift as Albert wouldn't let the kids go. They could have made an announcement about the experience and practicalities etc. Plus Albert could have shown himself frequently in SA. He is used to short trips, but for the kids it would have been difficult. And with the nannies, Charlene would have had plenty of help. And yes they have advisors, but I think Albert as well as CHarlene don't like to listen to them. Also we shouldn't forget that yes it is a public matter, but a private one as well. Not many bosses want their staff to meddle in their private life. And with Albert it is always a slippery slope as often he does let them handle it, when she has a tantrum and sometimes he doesn't. And what can they do apart from quitting? these are well paid jobs and there are not too many of those around. Even the BRF, who pay their staff a pitence in comparisson, do not let them interfere when it comes to how to deal with family. Just look at how poorly qe2 handles Andrew. She lets the matter drag out and sully her legacy by continuously protecting him and now hiding himin Balmoral. And she is equally lenient towards Harry, who keeps trashing the family that still allows him to have income and live in circumstances that no other dimwit without an education could efford. I have to say that Rainier ran a tighter ship. And he was someone to make swift decisions. He was also feared and that kept the rumours low. People were very careful about gossiping during his time. With Albert not so much. It is a good thing IMO to not be feared, but I think there is also a lack of respect for Albert. Because, lets face it , he is not very decisive and he is not a confident ruler. Just look at how he stands in pics on his own. He still has not found after all those years a comfortable pose that works for him. The way he holds his hands and looks like he swallowed a stick is the image of a guy who is trying hard to look comfortable...and fails. Yeah, Charlene is no Grace, but she was someone in SA. In Germany Franziska van Almsiek was a big name. She was more successful than Charlene and she was pretty hyped at a time. Similar to the French swimmer laure Manodou. Anyways, apart from commenting on big swimming events, she doesn't happen in the public eye anymore. She is in the past and plenty of new swimmers around. Some more successful then her and with less drama. But SA is a smaller country than Germany and France. I think even though her carreer was on a low when she started her relationship with Albert. Had she been better, she probably would not have persued it. But I think there would have been alternatives for her. Commenting probably not, but she could have gone into coaching and possibly marry some other athlete or prominent SA guy. It might have been better for her. But she was someone in the sports world and I think that is were her family take the confidece and audacity that MC owes them a living. I think they really think that she is an asset to MC. None of them know anything about MC. And they don't care either. None of them posted condolences to the Powers family. Albert insisted on being at the funeral, because she was important to him, but also to MC. Personally (and I am sure not to be the only one) I have to say that my kids would not exist without Stars and bars. So anyone who has ever been to MC for more than a day is bound to have known about the place and its importance. In a small place like that, you make a point of acknowledging her, regardless of your personal feelings. It shows that Charlene does not pay attention to daily live in MC. She is not insisting of being kept up to date. The death of the 2 firefighters? she doesn't care. Yes Albert made a statement, as he should have, but Charlene could have used her IG to express her condolences. I am sure it would have gone a long way. It would have shown she cares. If she can't read MC matin, at least she should read the English speaking media to keep up with current events in MC. As the princess, she needs to know, what people are worried about etc. Even if her husband makes the decisions. Grace understood that. She would have personally written to the families of the firefighters and to the powers family. You don't have to be their friend. Some things are common courtesy and decency. Qualities all of the Wittstocks lack. And I am convinced, that even in their own circles these are practised. Just not by them. And those are the things that really show who they are. People see that and they feel it. That is why Charlene does not get empathy from a lot of people and why the rumour mill is in overdrive. She has no empathy for others and people want her gone because of it. Albert needs to take these rumours seriously, because they are way beyond gossip. They are what the people want. And if he really wants her to stay, he has to make her see that she needs to change her attitude towards MC or get out.
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Post by paca on Sept 9, 2021 7:48:00 GMT -5
Yesterday Albert attended Kate Powers Funeral. Apparently it was televised. That doesn't happen often in MC. Usually only members of the ruling family being burried. So this is pretty special. Interesting that Charlene did not post any condolences on her IG. Guess she didn't consider her a friend..., a lifelong friend of her husband, the daughter of Graces friend, so family ties go back about 70 years. And they are surprised at the rumours? www.monacomatin.mc/vie-locale/monaco-a-rendu-un-vibrant-hommage-a-kate-powers-712856I am really surprised that she didn't post anything about this given how close PA and Mike Powers are. True there is a history there with their friendship. Yes it is surprising, but also unwise of her. She doesn't have to go overboard, just show common curtesy. After all MC is a village. I a village you attend every funeral if you possibly can. Since she can't she needs to publicly acknowledge and send a private note. Also to the families of the firefighters. A picture on her IG would have gone a long way. It would show that even if she is not there, she cares about MC and its people and what happens to them. The omission shows, that she has completely detached herself from MC. She should have made posts about all events she would usually have attended. She could have used current and past pics to point out that she would love to be there and even in absence pays attention and up to date. She wouldn't have had to do it herself. She just could have told her staff to make appropriate postings in her name as those would have needed to be in French or bilingual. Obviously it would have been better to come from her directly, but still, better than not saying anything.
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Post by margarita on Sept 9, 2021 7:58:58 GMT -5
"People see that and they feel it. That is why Charlene does not get empathy from a lot of people and why the rumour mill is in overdrive. She has no empathy for others and people want her gone because of it. Albert needs to take these rumours seriously, because they are way beyond gossip. They are what the people want. And if he really wants her to stay, he has to make her see that she needs to change her attitude towards MC or get out."
100% agree. And he might give a chance to Alex (just keep his mom out as he is adult and it might be misunderstood) as well a to Jazmin and the kids of Caroline and Stephanie. I mean - only if they are really fit for a job and don't let others do the work. It's a pity to see that Albert is trying to change the image of Monaco to the better and the media are just full of Charlenes last break-down or latest surgery and divorce rumors. Then better get divorced and do your job without millstone at your neck.
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Post by paca on Sept 9, 2021 8:21:05 GMT -5
Well, IMO he isn't doing that much to better MCs image. He was on a good path when he started out, then after a few months in office he was put into his place. And now he is just doing the things he likes to do and holding the fort. IMO he has given up. Himself and MC. And he looks it too. Shame really. If he had stuck to his original plan, he could have become a great prince for MC. But this? I don't think so. He is a bit like the Merkel of MC
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Post by margarita on Sept 9, 2021 8:26:38 GMT -5
"He is a bit like the Merkel of MC" LOL!!! Ohhh this is when it's time to wake up!
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