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Post by paca on Dec 26, 2021 19:37:33 GMT -5
well she is no way original. copy pasting Diana, Grace, Sisi, QE2. But who is she? that gibberish in that rhino video?
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Post by margarita on Dec 27, 2021 2:12:04 GMT -5
www.google.com/amp/s/www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1539522/princess-charlene-health-secrets-resent-institution-house-of-grimaldi-vn/ampWell, I woudn't go so far and don't think that the Monegasque people will question the whole institution due to the situation with Charlene now. But like Paca wrote a few says ago - the pressure on Albert might be growing. People will expect him to say more and say more precisely about her state of health. Some kind of diagnose after being in treatment for some weeks or month. The longee she is absent - the more people will wonder when she comes back and will she ever be able to perform her duties again on a permanent basis. And they would be much more patient if she had ever performed them. But so...
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Post by margarita on Dec 27, 2021 7:21:43 GMT -5
Weren't Albert and the kids supposed to visit Charlene over Christmas? Christmas is over. No press release from Palace, no post from Charlene - still no visit?
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Post by agentf on Dec 27, 2021 7:29:56 GMT -5
Cue in Omicron. Meanwhile someone was desperate to post a blind that she was living in Switzerland in a chalet with Naomi Campbell's married Russian ex. That's certainly more colourful than the drab mystery sickness story. Though I put very little stock in this rumour. Weren't Albert and the kids supposed to visit Charlene over Christmas? Christmas is over. No press release from Palace, no post from Charlene - still no visit?
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Post by donna on Dec 27, 2021 8:12:58 GMT -5
I was wondering about who posts for her on Instagram. Most people who are actually famous for something else than posting on Instagram, don't have the time or energy to be posting all the time, so they hire a professional person to do it. The person has to be on the same wave length and understand the Insta owner in order to be able to post for them.
I would guess that all royals have a professional person posting for them to avoid the possibility of posting something controversial or something that might ruff some feathers. If I were a royal I would definitely have someone post for me.
Therefore I always doubt that it is herself posting. Maybe Instagram has a feature so that all her posts have to be vetted by the palace before they can be published. Or she asks the pr person to post for her when she has something special in mind.
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Post by donna on Dec 27, 2021 8:14:22 GMT -5
Weren't Albert and the kids supposed to visit Charlene over Christmas? Christmas is over. No press release from Palace, no post from Charlene - still no visit? They were supposed to visit her at the asylum. Picture taking is probably prohibited at the place.
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Post by margarita on Dec 27, 2021 8:34:24 GMT -5
Weren't Albert and the kids supposed to visit Charlene over Christmas? Christmas is over. No press release from Palace, no post from Charlene - still no visit? They were supposed to visit her at the asylum. Picture taking is probably prohibited at the place. They could have posted a painting like the Christmas card. But they would have shared the information if Albert and the kids would have been there to visit her. As for instagram posts ect. - sure Charlene has someone to post for her. But didn't she need peace and privacy? Then it would be best to not post or let post anything. Stay calm abd quiet.
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Post by paca on Dec 27, 2021 13:25:52 GMT -5
I was wondering about who posts for her on Instagram. Most people who are actually famous for something else than posting on Instagram, don't have the time or energy to be posting all the time, so they hire a professional person to do it. The person has to be on the same wave length and understand the Insta owner in order to be able to post for them. I would guess that all royals have a professional person posting for them to avoid the possibility of posting something controversial or something that might ruff some feathers. If I were a royal I would definitely have someone post for me. Therefore I always doubt that it is herself posting. Maybe Instagram has a feature so that all her posts have to be vetted by the palace before they can be published. Or she asks the pr person to post for her when she has something special in mind. if that was the case a lot of her posts would never have been made. No, I think most of the time she is posting, but I think the video and the tutu post are not from her, but CHantelle. Also the National holiday post is rather generic. She didn't post about other important matters SA, so I think this one being a first, was Chantelle. Same with the video. I said before that her people read here and it irks them to be called stupid, unprofessional etc. Her dumb parasites only have one goal: to keep the gravy train going. So they are ready to throw her under the bus. Especially Chantelle keeps tooting the no divorce horn, because without a marriage, she is out of business. IMO her brothers would agree to locking her away forever, so they can keep their lifestyle. Even if a divorce would be in her best interest. IMO the Wittstock bros are the only ones that gain from this marriage. everyone else would be better off with a divorce. And Albert is showing that he can manage.
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Post by paca on Dec 27, 2021 13:27:14 GMT -5
Weren't Albert and the kids supposed to visit Charlene over Christmas? Christmas is over. No press release from Palace, no post from Charlene - still no visit? They were supposed to visit her at the asylum. Picture taking is probably prohibited at the place. I am sure we will get one in due course. Her with the kiddies for sure. And possibly an icky one with Albert
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Post by drusi on Dec 27, 2021 14:38:53 GMT -5
Press is reporting she is at Kusnacht Practice near Zurich.
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Post by donna on Dec 27, 2021 15:23:58 GMT -5
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Post by paca on Dec 27, 2021 15:51:34 GMT -5
so they are curing her with shooting apples?
anyways, it seems to confirm that she is treated for addiction. Maybe people will come out now and tell about her doping, which is IMO the root to all her issues.
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Post by agentf on Dec 27, 2021 16:38:07 GMT -5
I still think your dental clinic is more posh 😁. Btw, a cousin of mine has fond memories of being a dental assistant in Zurich. She married a Swiss, I believe, and brought him back. Having said that, this level of care is probably a first in a lifetime for CC. I think, paca, you can approve of their approach: Plus they are not pill-driven. If this doesn't cure her, nothing can but I believe she's in great hands. Good find drusi 👌🏼 so they are curing her with shooting apples? anyways, it seems to confirm that she is treated for addiction. Maybe people will come out now and tell about her doping, which is IMO the root to all her issues.
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Post by paca on Dec 27, 2021 17:23:38 GMT -5
lol of course they are. I don't think there is a posher one. More expensive maybe, but not more stylish. I do get why Brad Pitt likes the architects. If I had the money and the real estate, I'd let them do mine. Modern and still you feel cosy. No kids around there who are afraid of dentists. MC needs one like it. They might have done a better job on er face too.
the küssnacht clinic has corbusier chairs etc. but the important thing is the treatment. Hopefully she will go along with it. But still it seems to be mainly focused on substance abuse, so my guess that is considered her primary focus (although IMO it is a symptom and will remain a problem, if she doesn't go to the root and is fiercely honest), especially if she wants to be around the kids without supervision. Regardless of what she is or was addicted to, that is a danger to the children. Not only due to her behaviour and the example she is setting, but also because children like to explore. I remember as a kid sorting our smarties like my gran her diabetis and heart meds. We were constantly warned about it. So much so that I thought as a 2 year old that I was going to die, because in lack of any sweets at home, I ate the sweetener my mum used in our tea. It made me sick and when she came home and asked, what was wrong, I told her I had eaten a load of tablets. My mum of course rushed to the bathroom to find out which ones, but couldn't figure it out, so she asked me and I climbed up to the kitchen cupboard to show her. My mother was so relieved, but Imagine an addict leaving their stuff all over the place, because of course they are hiding things and need to find ever new places to hide. And then you have a huge palace with plenty of hiding places and enquiring little ones... A nightmare come true. Anyways saw an article with a one liner about plans to replace her. Apparently not divorce right away, but the sisters for now on mother duty. I guess Albert realized that letting them run wild wasn't a good idea and that they need structure and disciplin in their life. I think that both have done a good job as mothers, although I think that Caro will be better in preparing them for their future roles. But having close bonds to both aunts and their cousins will be helpful as they get older. And with Caros grandkids, they have plenty of playmates they can trust as adults, because none of them will be financially dependent on them. Unlike their Wittstock cousins. They won't be like their fathers Kelly cousins on the same level.
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Post by agentf on Dec 27, 2021 18:43:31 GMT -5
You know, in QC our laws involve the children's opinion or consent on decisions that concern them. I'm proud of our laws that way. While it's nice to try to figure out what might be best for the children, the path to hell is paved with good intentions sometimes. You simply cannot control everything and mold children your way. Chasser le naturel et il reviendra au galop. The things you think you prevent, you cannot predict. If for instance, CC gets massively insecure around Caro, it's not a good idea to make children swallow that pill where they might feel ambiguous when there's no real need to cut things so close while there are plenty of neutral figures to help with their rearing. It's best not to plant something that might split inside them later and backfire. I do agree they should be spared any drama that is self-inflicted by their mother. Their lives are their own to live, without hanging on them the problems of adults. It's not altogether constructive on the other hand to game or mortgage the outcome for CC. She can still come out of this with flying colours and feel more connected to her children. We've seen here in Canada what for example separating indigenous children from parents yields - it morally destroys them. Society should learn to share again the responsibility of protecting children so they may blossom in total security. They are the future. Well-rounded, well-grounded children who know they are loved or esteemed can do anything. You especially know that, as a mom. 😉 lol of course they are. I don't think there is a posher one. More expensive maybe, but not more stylish. I do get why Brad Pitt likes the architects. If I had the money and the real estate, I'd let them do mine. Modern and still you feel cosy. No kids around there who are afraid of dentists. MC needs one like it. They might have done a better job on er face too. the küssnacht clinic has corbusier chairs etc. but the important thing is the treatment. Hopefully she will go along with it. But still it seems to be mainly focused on substance abuse, so my guess that is considered her primary focus (although IMO it is a symptom and will remain a problem, if she doesn't go to the root and is fiercely honest), especially if she wants to be around the kids without supervision. Regardless of what she is or was addicted to, that is a danger to the children. Not only due to her behaviour and the example she is setting, but also because children like to explore. I remember as a kid sorting our smarties like my gran her diabetis and heart meds. We were constantly warned about it. So much so that I thought as a 2 year old that I was going to die, because in lack of any sweets at home, I ate the sweetener my mum used in our tea. It made me sick and when she came home and asked, what was wrong, I told her I had eaten a load of tablets. My mum of course rushed to the bathroom to find out which ones, but couldn't figure it out, so she asked me and I climbed up to the kitchen cupboard to show her. My mother was so relieved, but Imagine an addict leaving their stuff all over the place, because of course they are hiding things and need to find ever new places to hide. And then you have a huge palace with plenty of hiding places and enquiring little ones... A nightmare come true. Anyways saw an article with a one liner about plans to replace her. Apparently not divorce right away, but the sisters for now on mother duty. I guess Albert realized that letting them run wild wasn't a good idea and that they need structure and disciplin in their life. I think that both have done a good job as mothers, although I think that Caro will be better in preparing them for their future roles. But having close bonds to both aunts and their cousins will be helpful as they get older. And with Caros grandkids, they have plenty of playmates they can trust as adults, because none of them will be financially dependent on them. Unlike their Wittstock cousins. They won't be like their fathers Kelly cousins on the same level.
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Post by margarita on Dec 28, 2021 3:01:34 GMT -5
You know, in QC our laws involve the children's opinion or consent on decisions that concern them. I'm proud of our laws that way. While it's nice to try to figure out what might be best for the children, the path to hell is paved with good intentions sometimes. You simply cannot control everything and mold children your way. Chasser le naturel et il reviendra au galop. The things you think you prevent, you cannot predict. If for instance, CC gets massively insecure around Caro, it's not a good idea to make children swallow that pill where they might feel ambiguous when there's no real need to cut things so close while there are plenty of neutral figures to help with their rearing. It's best not to plant something that might split inside them later and backfire. I do agree they should be spared any drama that is self-inflicted by their mother. Their lives are their own to live, without hanging on them the problems of adults. It's not altogether constructive on the other hand to game or mortgage the outcome for CC. She can still come out of this with flying colours and feel more connected to her children. We've seen here in Canada what for example separating indigenous children from parents yields - it morally destroys them. Society should learn to share again the responsibility of protecting children so they may blossom in total security. They are the future. Well-rounded, well-grounded children who know they are loved or esteemed can do anything. You especially know that, as a mom. 😉 lol of course they are. I don't think there is a posher one. More expensive maybe, but not more stylish. I do get why Brad Pitt likes the architects. If I had the money and the real estate, I'd let them do mine. Modern and still you feel cosy. No kids around there who are afraid of dentists. MC needs one like it. They might have done a better job on er face too. the küssnacht clinic has corbusier chairs etc. but the important thing is the treatment. Hopefully she will go along with it. But still it seems to be mainly focused on substance abuse, so my guess that is considered her primary focus (although IMO it is a symptom and will remain a problem, if she doesn't go to the root and is fiercely honest), especially if she wants to be around the kids without supervision. Regardless of what she is or was addicted to, that is a danger to the children. Not only due to her behaviour and the example she is setting, but also because children like to explore. I remember as a kid sorting our smarties like my gran her diabetis and heart meds. We were constantly warned about it. So much so that I thought as a 2 year old that I was going to die, because in lack of any sweets at home, I ate the sweetener my mum used in our tea. It made me sick and when she came home and asked, what was wrong, I told her I had eaten a load of tablets. My mum of course rushed to the bathroom to find out which ones, but couldn't figure it out, so she asked me and I climbed up to the kitchen cupboard to show her. My mother was so relieved, but Imagine an addict leaving their stuff all over the place, because of course they are hiding things and need to find ever new places to hide. And then you have a huge palace with plenty of hiding places and enquiring little ones... A nightmare come true. Anyways saw an article with a one liner about plans to replace her. Apparently not divorce right away, but the sisters for now on mother duty. I guess Albert realized that letting them run wild wasn't a good idea and that they need structure and disciplin in their life. I think that both have done a good job as mothers, although I think that Caro will be better in preparing them for their future roles. But having close bonds to both aunts and their cousins will be helpful as they get older. And with Caros grandkids, they have plenty of playmates they can trust as adults, because none of them will be financially dependent on them. Unlike their Wittstock cousins. They won't be like their fathers Kelly cousins on the same level. Agentf - my guess is that Albert has realized (not to full amount yet but still) that Charlene will highly likely never be able to go back to her former life. Even before the therapy she fount parenting exhausting and never really worked as First Lady. If children in dysfunctional families have no mother as positive female role model it is best for them to have another female established to serve as positive female role model. It can be someone from outside the family if there is nobody in the family. But they have Caro and Steph. As for the possibility of tensions when and if Charlene comes really back into the family: I think Albert is focused on the wellbeing of the kids. Thats prio 1. Charlenes problem with Caro is part of Charlenes issues and she has the best help to solve it now. Thats why I don't think anyone bothers. What bothers me more is the posibility that one of the kids might have inherited a predisposition on mental desease.
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Post by agentf on Dec 28, 2021 6:17:32 GMT -5
margarita I long for the days of commenting on dresses. Let's see... There's as likely a chance the children would "inherit" addiction or mental issues from either side of the family so let's please not curse them. I can appreciate Albert has the interest of the children at heart but while he may provide more structure, can he in all honesty provide a better emotional environment? Steph and Caro have had their days of childrearing, and it's admirable they would step in but it's repeating history in a way. And can we say that the Grimaldi upbringing has been fulfilling even for Albert? Isn't it why he went so far from the pool to chose a bride? No pun intended. That family needs oxygenating. And I'm not even talking about marriage/divorce here btw. Whatever they chose, they will still have to overcome whatever personal failings in order to not mess it up more for the kids.
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Post by agentf on Dec 28, 2021 11:41:07 GMT -5
Here's a super crude but effective illustration. It's not easy to watch, but I'm sure some reactions will seem very familiar to some when looking at adult versions of emotionally-deprived people:
Food for thought. And for me, it makes me question Mr Wittstock's parenting skills in a way.
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Post by margarita on Dec 30, 2021 2:10:36 GMT -5
Still no news on Alberts and the kids visit to Charlene. Strange. I'm sure there would have been any announcement if they were there. So it seems there was the plan to see her but it is still not realized. Why? Is she in such a bad condition?
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Post by paca on Dec 30, 2021 7:33:36 GMT -5
I don't expect them to say anything before new year. The kids are on holidays as is Albert. Knowing Albert he is probably combining the visit with skiing in Switzerland and they will see her whenever she is up to it. It could just be an hour or so, depending. Things like that are not predictable. There might be times she can be around them longer, sometimes less. And the effect each encounter has, will be part of her working through things. And I call it working, because it actually is very exhausting. It might take her a day or more to recover and face the next one. It is her rhythm not theirs which is important now. And honestly I don't think that ALbert needs to be on standby to report on his visits to his wife. I am sure there will be a report when there is sth to report. The announcing of a visit over the holidays was meant to shut the media up until after the holidays. We are talking about a sick person here. She has only been in treatment for 6 weeks. That is nothing. You need 30 days to get substances out of your body and get over the physical effects of the abuse. The real treatment just started. So there is nothing to report. The question is how well she will work on the second step. If she only wanted to get rid of the pillpopping and not into the real treatment, then she might be shutting down as soon as she feels physically better. And it might be Albert who has to make it clear to her that she needs to get to the root and continue the treatment if she doesn't want to be back to square one within a few weeks. She is just at the beginning, so we all need to give her time. And as all patients she has a right to privacy. She is not on this planet to satisfy our voyeurism.
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