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Post by emmeline on Apr 23, 2012 10:18:00 GMT -5
The pic is from royal confessions or something like that, isn't? I don't think is true, somehow i can't picture Alexandra like that. Maybe Charlotte or Pierre (i like them, but i could imagine them doing that, lol, idk why)
Thanks paca for the insight info on MC schools! Like refia says, what a shame!
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Post by refia on Dec 26, 2012 0:25:15 GMT -5
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Post by paca on Dec 26, 2012 6:28:02 GMT -5
LOL did trashy get dumped on Caro because Albert couldn't be botheredwith her? Or is this an attempt to make people believe that they are getting along? Caro would always be civil o her in public. That doesn't mean she likes her though. Alex seems to have progressed in her skating. I had wondered if she would be there...
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Post by axelle on Dec 26, 2012 21:04:37 GMT -5
Good for Alexandra! Three cheers for this young lady!
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Post by hibou on Apr 16, 2013 23:33:30 GMT -5
Ok guys, font of knowledge. What religion is Alexandra? According to a blogger on the RD there is an article saying she was baptized in Ernst Hunting Lodge. However since she now lives in Monaco, and attending the Catholic National events, is she Catholic?
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Post by paca on Apr 17, 2013 3:53:59 GMT -5
she was born in Austria and baptized there. Ernst is protestant, Caro Catholic. Usually children are raised in the faith of the mother. On the other hand Caro is very insistent on her HRH and doesn't want to divorce Ernst, probably for that reason, which IMO is ridiculous, since it is a fake title. Austria is a mostly Catholic country. So we can not be sure that she was babtised protestant. I did not see her going to communion, like Camille. As a protestant she would have to attend confirmation. In order to get confirmed, she would have to attend classes, which in her case would probably be given at home. Andrea received his catechism classes at home too. His teacher was my sons piano teacher. Her school is affiliated to the church, but receives state money. They accept children regardless of faith. My niece goes to an all girls Catholic school. When she started, she wasn't baptised. After a few years, she decided that she wanted to be baptised. SHe was baptised protestant though. SHe now attends an all girls Catholic lycee. So we can't be sure for certain that she was baptised protestant, but I think that it is likely. SHe is raised Catholic though. Which in strict terms would be a violation of the rules. If you decide to raise your child in a certain faith and the parents are not of the same faith, then the parents are both asked, if they agree and they have to raise the child in the chosen faith. Alex read at the marriage, which was a solely Catholic ceremony. IMO that is a pretty good indication that she is raised Catholic. Unlike her now aunt, she seemed to know what she was supposed to do during service. So if she was indeed baptised protestant, then it is a mere formality.
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Post by hibou on Apr 17, 2013 9:37:40 GMT -5
she was born in Austria and baptized there. Ernst is protestant, Caro Catholic. Usually children are raised in the faith of the mother. On the other hand Caro is very insistent on her HRH and doesn't want to divorce Ernst, probably for that reason, which IMO is ridiculous, since it is a fake title. Austria is a mostly Catholic country. So we can not be sure that she was babtised protestant. I did not see her going to communion, like Camille. As a protestant she would have to attend confirmation. In order to get confirmed, she would have to attend classes, which in her case would probably be given at home. Andrea received his catechism classes at home too. His teacher was my sons piano teacher. Her school is affiliated to the church, but receives state money. They accept children regardless of faith. My niece goes to an all girls Catholic school. When she started, she wasn't baptised. After a few years, she decided that she wanted to be baptised. SHe was baptised protestant though. SHe now attends an all girls Catholic lycee. So we can't be sure for certain that she was baptised protestant, but I think that it is likely. SHe is raised Catholic though. Which in strict terms would be a violation of the rules. If you decide to raise your child in a certain faith and the parents are not of the same faith, then the parents are both asked, if they agree and they have to raise the child in the chosen faith. Alex read at the marriage, which was a solely Catholic ceremony. IMO that is a pretty good indication that she is raised Catholic. Unlike her now aunt, she seemed to know what she was supposed to do during service. So if she was indeed baptised protestant, then it is a mere formality. Thanks paca. It makes sense. I assumed she would be baptized protestant, but I thought she was confirmed as a Catholic. It would be highly unusual for a Protestant to do a reading at a Catholic wedding but then the Grimaldis have been known to bend rules right and left. Also since Caroline is separated and Alexandra is living in Monaco, I would find it odd that she was not raised Catholic. Ernst had to take himself out of line to the British throne anyway for marrying Caroline, and I did not find him to be a particularly "faithful" man to begin with so I doubt he would care but I wonder if Alex was Catholic if she would loose her HRH status?
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Post by paca on Apr 17, 2013 10:11:46 GMT -5
LOL as I have explained many times, neither she nor Caro nor Ernst have an HRH title. the family used to have a title untim 1918, when titles in Germany were banned and only allowed to become part of the name. Hence Carolines correct name according to German name law would be Frau Caroline Prinz von Hannover. In German names do not make a difference with regards to gender like in zech or Russian. Hence addressing her as Prinzessin would be wrong. Her only right to that title springs from her MC title and that is SAS. SHe can not pass it on to her daughter as per Grimaldi house rules it can only pass along the male line. If she would want to pass it to her daughter, she would need to adopt her daughters husband to do so. Or Albert would have to change the house rules. But the German title is a complete fake title. If she intends to use Ernsts name, then she has to use the former title as a name and that means no HRH, no change of gender and no change of spelling according to language. The name is fixed. You can not constantly change it. This kind of use of titles has for some obscur reason been tolerated, but it is not legal. I don't know if it is punishable by criminal law, but certainly MC is violating German law by promoting Caro with a title, that has been abolished almost 100 years ago. so it is irrelevant whether ALex is raised Catholic, protestant or martian. SHe is not going to be in line to anything due to older siblings and QEII has plenty of family, so her chances to get to any real title are small. Unless she marries a minor Brit or other foreign nobility. I don't think that will happen though. Caros kids seem to be more into wealth then titles.
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Post by hibou on Apr 17, 2013 10:47:06 GMT -5
LOL as I have explained many times, neither she nor Caro nor Ernst have an HRH title. the family used to have a title untim 1918, when titles in Germany were banned and only allowed to become part of the name. Hence Carolines correct name according to German name law would be Frau Caroline Prinz von Hannover. In German names do not make a difference with regards to gender like in zech or Russian. Hence addressing her as Prinzessin would be wrong. Her only right to that title springs from her MC title and that is SAS. SHe can not pass it on to her daughter as per Grimaldi house rules it can only pass along the male line. If she would want to pass it to her daughter, she would need to adopt her daughters husband to do so. Or Albert would have to change the house rules. But the German title is a complete fake title. If she intends to use Ernsts name, then she has to use the former title as a name and that means no HRH, no change of gender and no change of spelling according to language. The name is fixed. You can not constantly change it. This kind of use of titles has for some obscur reason been tolerated, but it is not legal. I don't know if it is punishable by criminal law, but certainly MC is violating German law by promoting Caro with a title, that has been abolished almost 100 years ago. so it is irrelevant whether ALex is raised Catholic, protestant or martian. SHe is not going to be in line to anything due to older siblings and QEII has plenty of family, so her chances to get to any real title are small. Unless she marries a minor Brit or other foreign nobility. I don't think that will happen though. Caros kids seem to be more into wealth then titles. There are a few diehard Monarchists that are convinced that the HRH title would be transferred to Monaco if Caroline were to assume the throne and that Alexandra would also have the HRH and could be sovereign as a Protestant. So it's all theoretical but I don't see how the HRH could transfer even if it were legitimate as she would take the HSH of the country to which she would be sovereign and in this case a Catholic one too. Silly argument I know.
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Post by paca on Apr 17, 2013 12:38:48 GMT -5
well, they can be convinced as much as they like, but ernst holds a German title and that has become invalid in 1918. That's when we got rid of our useless lot. If she is protestant, then she would have to convert anyways or the constitution would have to be changed. The title has nothing to do with being protestant or not, the constitution speaks to that matter. ANd according to that the state religion is catholicism. Actually if I had money to waste, I would find out whether they can be sued for falsely using an HRH title. Especially since Caro is second in line and not a private person, so it does matter and MC is violating German law that way. It really annoys me that they think that they are above rules.
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Post by agentf on Apr 17, 2013 18:33:10 GMT -5
So...that's like saying we don't know what religion Alexandra is. And titles don't count, except when we're commenting on royal forums, right? ;D I wish Christians would just drop the nuances. And I'd like to add that not all religions are matrilineal. Muslims transmit religion through the male line, I've been told.
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Post by paca on Apr 18, 2013 4:48:31 GMT -5
But Alex isn't a muslim as far as I know, so there is no need to discuss that. We are discussing facts that are known to us. The German title being invalid is a fact, Ernst is Protestant, Caro Catholic, Alex goes to a Catholic school. And if in dropping nuances you mean dropping being Catholic or Protestant? Fine by me if you drop your pope and those pedophile priests. Allow women to become priests, drop confession and all the saints, who most of them weren't saints anyways. Get rid of all your wealth, put your art into museums and give the money to the poor. I have no problems with that at all ;D
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Post by paca on Apr 18, 2013 13:26:46 GMT -5
btw, just read an article about a German blogger who wrote about a doctor title her kids had bought for her as a joke. She received a visit from German police and her home was searched. SHe is suspected of abuse of a title.... Shame that they won't do that to Caro for pretending to be a HRH.
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Post by hibou on Apr 18, 2013 15:24:53 GMT -5
btw, just read an article about a German blogger who wrote about a doctor title her kids had bought for her as a joke. She received a visit from German police and her home was searched. SHe is suspected of abuse of a title.... Shame that they won't do that to Caro for pretending to be a HRH. Claiming to be a Dr. would get you in trouble in the US too. The " fake" titles in the US have to be obvious fakes and the person with the fake title can't use it for attracting business. If it was purchased on the black Market then that is fraud. There are lots of souvenir stores around the US that sell fake titles. For a while Americans were buying European titles for cash may be Caroline can sell hers? ... but then she doesn't need the money.
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Post by paca on Apr 19, 2013 4:52:39 GMT -5
well, maybe not the money but for some reason she wants that title despite not wanting the man to go with the name. I don't think that Ernst was known to use HRH before marrying Caro. He wasn't very public then and when he became public it was because of her. I don't think his ex ever used HRH either. As to selling titles, well Fredric von ANhalt is living well off it. He was adopted and gets paid for adopting others. STill it is only a name, not a title. If you wanted to you could change your name legally as well. YOu don't need Caros permission, you need a judge to sign the papers. Just costs a small fine. Legally it makes the same difference as changing your name from Miller to Smith.
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Post by hibou on Apr 19, 2013 9:53:33 GMT -5
well, maybe not the money but for some reason she wants that title despite not wanting the man to go with the name. I don't think that Ernst was known to use HRH before marrying Caro. He wasn't very public then and when he became public it was because of her. I don't think his ex ever used HRH either. As to selling titles, well Fredric von ANhalt is living well off it. He was adopted and gets paid for adopting others. STill it is only a name, not a title. If you wanted to you could change your name legally as well. YOu don't need Caros permission, you need a judge to sign the papers. Just costs a small fine. Legally it makes the same difference as changing your name from Miller to Smith. How about the Donald Trump method. He named his son Barron Trump.
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Post by paca on Apr 19, 2013 12:23:22 GMT -5
LOL I guess that depends on the country. In Germany it depends if authorities allow it as a proper name. He'd have to have a good explanation. He could have named him Earl though At least that way it would have been properly spelt Interesting that the Donald opted for a lesser title spelt the wrong way... Maybe he just wanted the world to know what an ignorant twat he is if indeed he means the title? Maybe he meant the town? or a person with a surname barron?
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Post by paca on Oct 1, 2013 4:51:30 GMT -5
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Post by hibou on Oct 1, 2013 8:59:39 GMT -5
Alexandra's skating is coming along quite nicely. She looks very comfortable out on the ice, and they are getting her used to skating in front of a large audience little by little which is a smart thing to do. She did a nice job on the video I saw. It looks to me like we should be having another wedding soon. Pierre and Bea have raised their profile lately. To me Bea looks more cut out for the job than Tatiana, and Pierre more so than Andrea. They cut a nice image for Monaco. Too bad they are the flagship. JMO.
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Post by paca on Oct 1, 2013 9:38:59 GMT -5
yes, I think that Bea and Pierre are nicer to look at. Tatiana and Andrea in comparison look like they need a good scrub. But that doesn't necessarily mean that they would be a better choice for succession. It's not like Pierre is leading a different lifestyle then Andrea. They all have some alibi occupation, but they also all of them know that it doesn't make a difference if they go to work or not. And they all don't give the impression of being ambitous. Andrea once said that CHarlotte was ambitious when she was in school, but it looks like she gave up once she encountered the first difficulties.
Alex also plays in the orchestra (or at least did so while I still lived there) so I think that she is already used to a large audience. also from the very beginning the skaters have their competition and show at the end of each season. So it's all there from the beginning. A friendly crowd for starters, but that how they all start. Lte's wait and see if she has the will to continue. Pauline was doing fine in her diving and before in her gym, but every time she was on the verge to go further and face tougher competition, she stopped. Bit like Charlotte and her riding. Let's see if Alex has more stamina then the rest of them.
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