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Post by hibou on Jul 18, 2013 8:41:45 GMT -5
it is a rat??? how stupid can you be? LOL I think it's an armadillo or a very large rat indeed. Strange place for at tat I have to say.
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Post by paca on Jul 18, 2013 9:21:37 GMT -5
he probably plans on expanding. Eventually they all do, once they started. Just like plastic surgery. They keep coming back for more and they are never happy until the next one. Piercing will probably follow too. No idea why people feel they need to do this. They all want to be unique and individualists and then they go to the same surgeons to have all the same faces and breasts and the same tattoo artists to get all the same standard tattoos, just in different places of their body. Had to laugh yesterday when I watch a movie with my kids. There was Merryl Streep asking a surgeon for a correction of her eyelid. He measures her and says that both her lids are equally hanging and what she would need is an eyebrowlift. He explains the procedure pretty graphic and when he comes to the point of numbness and headaches for 3 to 6 months she runs. All I could think of was trashy and the pain she must have been going through to get that desaster of her face. Now ANdrea seems to have chosen the mostly male (but not exclusively) way to do it too. Who cares about it looking awful, the risks for your health etc... I really wonder if they shouldn't all better go into a psychward instead...
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Post by paca on Jul 18, 2013 9:30:14 GMT -5
btw I noticed that no one seems to be going crazy about that baby, just the tattoo. Ah well, as he is growing he might get more interesting once he displays his personality. Like Alex did. She can't compete with Charlotte in the looks departement, but her personality displays in her face and behavious and makes her very likeable. Also Pierre wasn't particularly attractive as a kid, fun and clownish looking, but look at him now. Andrea was a beautiful child, but I don't find him that great now. Let's hope they are not smoking so much around that poor child...
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Post by refia on Jul 19, 2013 4:22:23 GMT -5
pretty chubby. I know it's just a baby, but he is a pretty non-discript baby. He looks a lot like Tatiana. Andrea looks more motherly then Tatiana IMO. NOt liking the way she is holding him. She doesn't look very warm or motherly in these pics. And at his age he needs to have a hat on to protect him against the sun. They seem pretty awkward with him, considering he was born 4 months ago. Especially Tatiana IMO. She is holding him like trashy was holding that poor dog which has disappeared... I noticed that too. Maybe she will grow into the role of a mother. If not, Caro is there. Charlene lost a dog? Oh my...
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Post by paca on Jul 19, 2013 5:38:19 GMT -5
well, we don't know what happened to the dog. It doesn't seem to be with her much though. There were a few photo ops and then it never showed again. I think Tatiana already has a nanny. If she wants, she can learn from her. I wonder if she might be suffering of postpartum. She seemed to have wanted children, so you'd expect her to be more attached to her child. That might be an explanation for the wedding not happening right now. Maybe they realized that a baby does change your life and that they have more important issues to tend to first. We'll see. It also seems that Tatiana is still selfconscious about her body, the way she covers it up. But she has enough money and support to get there.
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Post by agentf on Jul 19, 2013 17:54:07 GMT -5
I don't recall Tatiana ever wearing any body-con type clothes. She's mostly been into comfort as far as I could tell. I'm not reading postpartum, I'm sorry. I'm not seeing her mistreat the child either. She covered his head with a towel and when he was under the screen, she relieved him of that. If it's hot, no baby likes having a hat on that makes them sweat even more. If I'm not mistaken, Tatiana is from a larger family than the Casiraghis. In larger families, there isn't as much clinginess about a child because it's not like you've never seen them before. Plus, she's part Latin. There's more desinvolture and inbred confidence. I really don't see neglect here. She seems relaxed. As it should be on board a yacht on way to a little trip out to sea. Now, Andrea and his tattoo - pffff... honestly. If he'd gotten something discreet, something to do with the little one, I might get it. But a big tattoo like that? What is he, part of some underground society? The yakuza? What? Enlighten me.
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Post by paca on Jul 19, 2013 19:04:16 GMT -5
LOL I didn't say mistreat. I just think she is pretty awkward with the baby. I'm sorry a towel is a lot more uncomforatble for a child then a light coloured hat. My kids didn't have hair until they were two and grew up there. It was much hotter then than it is now. On the way to a yacht and on a yacht there is always a slight draft, so a hat would not be bothering at all. Quite on the contrary, it would protect the baby against a draft and a possible cold. At that age the immune system is not working that great so they catch pretty much everything. So a hat would serve well as protection against sun as well as drafts. I see a lot of younger parent cover kids strollers in front with towels or sheets. They are not getting that actually they are creating the effect that you get when you leave a kid in a closed car. hardly any air can get in. Much better to keep in the shade when possible, use the highest possible sunscreen and just put the roof of the strooler up to create a little shade. Also in that region you should get sunglasses to protect the eyes. Honestly I wouldn't stereotype on her origins. Look at Gisele Buendchen. Large family, from South America and look at her with her kids. Or her family. Or Maxima. post partum has all sorts of faces. A lot of people mistake it for exhaustion etc. And no matter where you are coming from or how much you want a baby, there is no saying how you will perform as a parent. You can have a terrible background and be great and the best and fail. Children bring out aspects of yourself you had no idea about. And there is no predicting which way things will go. In any case, they have at least one nanny and other employees to take care of things, so the child will be taken care of....
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Post by agentf on Jul 20, 2013 11:24:17 GMT -5
In bigger families, you have that extra support. And you know me, I need to stereotype but what I don't do is raise the alarm. There's a lot of interference about child rearing nowadays, but... children have always been born and will continue to be, so the avalanche of precaution also makes nervous children IMO. I'm giving her breathing space. She's not some crackhead celebrity wife, she's an earthy sort of young woman used to a standard that means this child will not likely suffer as sadly so many other do. She's got a firm grasp and a sound base to get this child's life off to a good start. I'm not worried.
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Post by paca on Jul 20, 2013 13:19:22 GMT -5
I think we will just have to wait and see. Caro eventually, after her wilder years, turned out fine, but not so sure about her kids. They have a good relationship with their mom, but they don't seem to find a purpose. Considering the circumstances they have been born into, I just expect them to make more of it. Not as in being successful business people, but in making themselves useful beyond their own little lives. I just can't help but ask of people who have been given in abundance to give back in order to balance out that injustice of birth. And in that I don't mean attending a charity ball, but real work for a real cause.
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Post by agentf on Jul 20, 2013 13:37:51 GMT -5
Listen, I'm still in no mood to defend them at the moment. However. Abundance is one thing but let's not have a blindspot to the shell shocking experience of a murdered vital link in a family's chain as a father's. it's not because people are rich that they're made of Teflon and know how to glide through life without feeling anything. I personally think Caroline and her children are maybe stuck in a mode of clamped mutual protection and it makes it hard to turn outward after that. When the family nucleus has been hit, I mean, just look at how microorganisms react - they are more inhibited after that. I used to look at sweetie's family and scratch my head. No music, no joy, not much conversation but this need to be together regularly. And reminisce. Well, it comes from trauma. And sometimes that's the best you can expect from people, it's not what you expect of them but rather what they can still give of themselves. You can't ask for more. Period. Not everybody handles things the same. Simple.
PS: I just noticed the "injustice of birth" remark. What's up with that? Who decides it was unjust that they were born whichever way? Not every poor person feels unfortunate about their circumstances either. It's the prerogative of the world as a whole to provide for humanity, but not everyone necessarily starts at the same place. Why guilt a person any more because they're rich. No one owes anyone anything when they are born. They're not aware.
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Post by paca on Jul 20, 2013 15:17:38 GMT -5
I know that people think he got murdered, but he wasn't alone in the boat. He exercised a risky sport and epople die in that sport. Then more then now, but still they die. He put his pleasure over the need of his children for a father. I saw a documentary about people doing risky sports. They had Messmer in it and he said sth that applies to all of them. He said his wife or parents never stopped him, but it was a very egoistic thing to do. He knew what he was putting them through, but he wanted to do it and he didn't care enough about it. He knew exactly what he was putting them through and what could happen to him and what pain he would cause them. Still he decided to go and clim the mountains etc. He was too much of an egoist to stop for them. In their fathers case I think he knew way too well that Caro had enough sense of responsibility for both of them. WHo knows, had she been less responsible and reliable to be so, he might have given it another thought, though I doubt it. It was a tragic death, but the children were very young and once again there are so many children who lose their parents, some both parents, and they still do great. And under much more difficult circumstances. The trio was well cared for, well protected and got all the help and love they needed and the whole world felt sorry for them. How many children can say that? Many children do not only have to suffer the loss of one or both parents, some have their entire families wiped out and grow up in conditions of war... and then there are children who get shot in the head because they want to go to school and better themselves and their lives and they come back, 2 years later to continue their battle and speak in the UN. And they are only 16 and not from a pampered background.
true you don't owe anyone anything when you are born and you are not aware. But part of raising a child for and within society is to make them aware. Aware of dangers, of rules, duties etc. ANd the Casiraghis, as well as the Grimaldis seem to have not been made aware of quite a few things imo.
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Post by hibou on Jul 30, 2013 18:37:31 GMT -5
I know that people think he got murdered, but he wasn't alone in the boat. He exercised a risky sport and epople die in that sport. Then more then now, but still they die. He put his pleasure over the need of his children for a father. I saw a documentary about people doing risky sports. They had Messmer in it and he said sth that applies to all of them. He said his wife or parents never stopped him, but it was a very egoistic thing to do. He knew what he was putting them through, but he wanted to do it and he didn't care enough about it. He knew exactly what he was putting them through and what could happen to him and what pain he would cause them. Still he decided to go and clim the mountains etc. He was too much of an egoist to stop for them. In their fathers case I think he knew way too well that Caro had enough sense of responsibility for both of them. WHo knows, had she been less responsible and reliable to be so, he might have given it another thought, though I doubt it. It was a tragic death, but the children were very young and once again there are so many children who lose their parents, some both parents, and they still do great. And under much more difficult circumstances. The trio was well cared for, well protected and got all the help and love they needed and the whole world felt sorry for them. How many children can say that? Many children do not only have to suffer the loss of one or both parents, some have their entire families wiped out and grow up in conditions of war... and then there are children who get shot in the head because they want to go to school and better themselves and their lives and they come back, 2 years later to continue their battle and speak in the UN. And they are only 16 and not from a pampered background. true you don't owe anyone anything when you are born and you are not aware. But part of raising a child for and within society is to make them aware. Aware of dangers, of rules, duties etc. ANd the Casiraghis, as well as the Grimaldis seem to have not been made aware of quite a few things imo. I agree paca. The kennedy's were the same way. I don't know what it is about extreme wealth but there seems to be a reality check missing.
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Post by paca on Jul 31, 2013 6:22:52 GMT -5
I think the Kennedys are highly overrated. Joe was a Nazi and Jack started Vietnam. He also had sympathies for Hitler. So that should make people think what these people really are like deep down. I think Bobby was the better one and the speach he gave in the UN could be given today. But people tend to put people that die before their time on a pedestal. Although one should question if they really died before their time. If you look at JFKs health, honestly today he wouldn't be allowed to hold the office seeing all the drugs that clouded his mind. His lifestyle wasn't one to grant a longlife either. His son was the same and many in their family.
Stefano was reckless. He loved speed. He would never have lived to old age. Adrenaline junkies rarely ever do. BUt even Diana was not in for a long life, the way she lead her life and the people she associated herself with in the end. Harry could be another candidate should he not come around in the next few years. Albert doesn't look like he is headed for old age either. He might be married, but he still leads a single lifestyle. An unhealthy one as that.
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Post by emmeline on Aug 5, 2013 13:22:02 GMT -5
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Post by smt on Aug 5, 2013 14:10:25 GMT -5
I look forward to August 31 ... hope this is true. BTW, that's the first photo I've ever seen of Tatiana where she is smiling! I noticed that she has a "gummy" smile ... perhaps her future Aunt Trampolina could recommend a good cosmetic surgeon to correct this!
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Post by tops on Aug 5, 2013 15:08:47 GMT -5
I look forward to August 31 ... hope this is true. BTW, that's the first photo I've ever seen of Tatiana where she is smiling! I noticed that she has a "gummy" smile ... perhaps her future Aunt Trampolina could recommend a good cosmetic surgeon to correct this! i don't think we have to worry about Tat ever using a referral from Tramp.
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Post by paca on Aug 6, 2013 9:24:22 GMT -5
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Post by mrszinck on Aug 7, 2013 0:30:10 GMT -5
is this officially confirmed by the Palace?
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Post by paca on Aug 7, 2013 4:02:39 GMT -5
nope, and I don't think hat they will be confirming it after the facts and dealing with it as a private matter. That's what they did with Caro. Nobody knew about her wedding to Ernst apart those invited. I think the only one she announced officially was the JUnot one, but the others were private and without the participation of the crowds. I think that they will be doing the same thing with Andrea and CHarlotte. I think for the involved couples it is probably the nicest thing. When you have a public life, then you might want to have a few private moments. And they are not the BRF, so they don't have to televise each wedding. I think that made for TV wedding of Albert was quite enough.
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Post by edoep on Aug 7, 2013 4:22:37 GMT -5
nope, and I don't think hat they will be confirming it after the facts and dealing with it as a private matter. That's what they did with Caro. Nobody knew about her wedding to Ernst apart those invited. I think the only one she announced officially was the JUnot one, but the others were private and without the participation of the crowds. I think that they will be doing the same thing with Andrea and CHarlotte. I think for the involved couples it is probably the nicest thing. When you have a public life, then you might want to have a few private moments. And they are not the BRF, so they don't have to televise each wedding. I think that made for TV wedding of Albert was quite enough. in addition, honestly, these 2 persons are simply of very little to absolutely no interest for the public! if it was not for princess caroline being the mother / the future MiL, no paper in the world would have ever mentioned their names. i personally don't get the fascination either - interesting only in terms of possible succession. but i do wish them all the best for their wedding, of course.
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