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Post by agentf on Jun 10, 2012 13:04:48 GMT -5
I was appalled by David Coulthard's comment that at the GP, they move the small boats out to make way for the big yachts. He was impressed with that. Douche.
Monaco needs to buy a territory where Monegasques will be able to come and go, enjoy good jobs and more than anything - room to breathe! It's not a land extension that will do it. A compromise might be to have floatation devices like the one they built Tokyo airport on, but it wouldn't be organic in the end. Monaco is rich enough to buy land somewhere. It's way overdue.
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Post by paca on Jun 10, 2012 13:11:34 GMT -5
that remains to be seen and that depends on how much the government will eventually listen and act. And that again will depend on how much pressure they will be able to generate. The discontentment of people these days is as high as it has not been for a long time. Albert is not a strong leader and he knows that he has not a safe seat. Hence they are trying to put him more into media focus then his idiotic wife.
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Post by paca on Jun 10, 2012 13:13:51 GMT -5
they have already bought land in France. That won't do. The entire region is expensive and hence the communities don't have money to create decent venues for locals.
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Post by agentf on Jun 10, 2012 13:14:49 GMT -5
You don't have to be a strong leader, you can be a schmo. Look at Bill Clinton, BUT you have to have a good administration and a system of trust, checks and balances, the whole she-bang!
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Post by paca on Jun 13, 2012 8:49:39 GMT -5
fatty gave a press conference yesterday. He is contemplating to build again. They are once again reconsidering Larvotto. Remember that they stopped Larvotto and then, as Assbert came under pressure they relaunched the Odeon tower. Larvotto was stopped for various reasons, one of them being the locals not being in favor, but the official reason was that they couldn't finance it. The financial situation is, as we all well know, way worse then it was in 2008. But we also know that whenever the ass comes under pressure, he considers to built sth in order to calm the very powerful realestate people. Nothing is planned yet, but IMO the are putting it out there to quiet the criticism. I doubt that it works as anyone with a brain knows that expanding is not the answer to MCs problems. It worked for Rainier for a time, because he didn't care much about where the money came from and so did no oneelse in MC. But MC has significant structural problems and would need a complete overhaul. That alone would take 10 to 20 years. If he wants to keep the builders busy, all he needs to do is change regulation for insulation and force people to get their places up to standard within 10 years. That way they would cut down on energy and have builders working. They could also finally get the energy question solved and install solarpannels on every roof in MC. That should get them sufficient energy. There are so many other things they could and should do instead of wasting money on extensions. www.monacomatin.mc/economie/monaco-une-extension-en-mer-au-larvotto-de-nouveau-a-letude.898376.html |
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Post by agentf on Jun 13, 2012 9:58:01 GMT -5
When you consider many shorelines of large cities the size of Monaco today have been extended into the water, I would opt for landfill. When I'm in Qc city at my favourite boutique hotel across from a museum, I can see inscribed on the road where the shoreline was in the 1600s, 1700s etc The same is true for the city where I am. I walk the dog regularly at the beach where some parts have been filled into the lake. This solution might infuriate real estate owners because it changes the landscape figuratively and literally but if you're not going to succeed in buying yourself a border of land inland, you must look to the water. There are great innovations in floating extensions that safeguard the sea bottom. You just have to spend the money. Here's an example of a floating Eco-city: www.aalto.fi/en/cooperation/in_dialogue/kelluva_ekokaupunki_yhdistaa_vihrean_rakentamisen_ja_suomalaisen_meriteollisuusosaamisen/ |
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Post by paca on Jun 13, 2012 12:13:58 GMT -5
the problem is that where they intend to built are coral which will inevitably be destroyed. Larvotto is a protected area. The shoreline has already been extended in Larvotto. Look at the pics from last century. There was no beach. At all. The auditorium rainierIII and the former Loews hotel have been built into the sea. In the conference he says that MC needs 300 000sqm every 10 years. The easiest way to gain space would be to fill up the entire beach area. Of course that would cause an outrage, but that is the one place where they could built without causing much damage. But then the only beach left would be the expensive beach club (which is on French territory) and the hotel beaches. They would lose a lot of tourism that way. But also once they start building in Larvotto, tourists would stay away. They would need to take that into the calculations. And once you scare tourists away, it will be very hard to get them back. Especially with MC price level. The rich and super rich go to St tropez anyways for the beach and party time
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Post by mrszinck on Jun 13, 2012 12:44:39 GMT -5
I agree Paca! ‘extended into the water…’ You don’t need that! It is ridicules! You go with what you have… I would change first the landscape. Everything outside of historic buildings lay flat. And build again. Of course with a total plan. I have seen this last year. Impressive! (but not like the young architects saw the total plan. Their total plan was even better! – for people / not commerce). www.ge-planung.de/Referenzen.htmlwww.datensklaven.de/?p=2473Of course I also like architecture of Jean Nouvel…  |
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Post by agentf on Jun 13, 2012 16:57:27 GMT -5
Ridiculous? How do you figure your plan to raze buildings is economically viable, addresses overpopulation and lack of housing?  Mine would cost less! |
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Post by MadameConcorde on Jun 14, 2012 14:40:02 GMT -5
I saw today that they are starting to place steel pillars all around in the sea starting from the Portier area (facing the Fairmont) all the way to the beaches at the Larvotto in a semi-circle out to sea.
The exension to sea construction work has obviously started. Maybe they are just testing yet I doubt this is just testing. A concrete platform will be built on top of the pillars as not to damage marine life then proper construction work will start once the concrete platform is built. The project should be completed in 2018.
I took pictures of the pillars that will sustain the platform, divers and dredging work. Will post soon.
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Post by MadameConcorde on Jun 14, 2012 14:42:40 GMT -5
fatty gave a press conference yesterday. He is contemplating to build again. Work has already started. I happened to be down there today and took pictures. See my other post. Will put up the pictures soon. |
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Post by paca on Jun 14, 2012 14:47:56 GMT -5
If they already started the work, then they are in for some steep lawsuits. They must have used the expertise the competing architects paid millions for. I am sure that they will want that money back. Unless they get to build it...
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Post by MadameConcorde on Jun 14, 2012 15:28:07 GMT -5
Pictures I took today Picture 1  Picture 2  Picture 3  This is the Portier extension to the sea. There is also talk of an extension of Fontvieille but I have not seen any work being done there. The priority seems to be Le Portier.  |
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Post by paca on Jun 14, 2012 15:43:17 GMT -5
the ship looks like the one they used for previous exams. If they were starting work already, wouldn't they have to have archtects etc selected? or do they not have a public selection due to the way things went last time....
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Post by agentf on Jun 14, 2012 18:29:38 GMT -5
Those things in the water don't look like they would hold much, not even a pier!
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Post by MyAdia on Jun 15, 2012 7:05:28 GMT -5
the ship looks like the one they used for previous exams. If they were starting work already, wouldn't they have to have archtects etc selected? or do they not have a public selection due to the way things went last time.... I HIGHLY DOUBT they actually started the extension that Albert just mentioned in the news. Right now they are doing a study. It's impossible to start multi-billion dollars project like the extension without any type of public mention of the designs or funding source. Impossible. |
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Post by paca on Jun 15, 2012 7:29:01 GMT -5
the ship looks like the one they used for previous exams. If they were starting work already, wouldn't they have to have archtects etc selected? or do they not have a public selection due to the way things went last time.... I HIGHLY DOUBT they actually started the extension that Albert just mentioned in the news. Right now they are doing a study. It's impossible to start multi-billion dollars project like the extension without any type of public mention of the designs or funding source. Impossible. LOL but this is MC. They might have found another billionaire in need to white wash his money.... I would not be surprised at all if that is yet another reason why this is back in discussion. Of course no outsider will gain access to the books... |
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Post by grimnir on Jun 16, 2012 13:27:01 GMT -5
Several months ago, there was already a call for plans to extend Fontvieille in the state paper. Maybe they dug up the plans for the Portier extension again. And the mock-ups too. (Still extremely miffed I didn't get to see those. That was about the same day the paper went off-line.  ) Just think, if they keep up building these new extensions every 50 years or so, they'll end up building a dam all the way to Algeria! Just how much extension can a country build? Monaco, the country known for dividing the Mediterranean Sea. On the other hand, they could generate a nice income from building a draw bridge into that dam and asking a fee to let the ships pass.  And if anyone wants to go and have a look, throw tomatoes or cuddle Albert to death: he will be present at the opening of the new building of the National Council. Wednesday 12th September 2012, starting at 17.00 hours (local time, I presume). No mention of barbie being there. No mention of her not being there either. |
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Post by paca on Jun 19, 2012 14:23:09 GMT -5
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Post by paca on Jun 25, 2012 15:41:27 GMT -5
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Mine would cost less!
