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Post by scout on Apr 17, 2011 9:56:02 GMT -5
Thanks! everyone for your kind posts. If Caroline doesn't end up as ruling princess, I don't think there's going to be another monarch. What's the alternative to her (unless she waives her rights in favour of her children)? A child of Albert and Charlene? Albert's going to be in his mid-70s by the time that child comes of age, it's almost bound to mean Regent Charlene. And that would kill Monaco faster than all of Albert's bumbling combined. Chriss (karma), I think that you have hit on the real issue with your post. Albert is setting up a situation where Charlene will be Regent and that will mean the end of the Grimaldis as we know them and Monaco. Charlene would be a disaster of the first order if she became Regent. The only salvation would be if Albert finally grew a few brain cells and appointed Caroline to be Regent for any heir he might have.
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Post by scout on Apr 16, 2011 13:40:03 GMT -5
I thought that the 'hand in the pocket' pose ... Scout you need a karma point! Thanks, Hibou, karma back at you!
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Post by scout on Apr 16, 2011 13:30:37 GMT -5
Caroline should be the Sovereign because Rainier prepared her to be although I don't think that he realized it, and he didn't prepare Albert (I've decided that Rainier really didn't have much to work with with Albert). When Grace died, Caroline stepped in as her father's companion as he conducted state business. If you go back to photos from the 1980's and 1990's, you will see that Caroline went with Rainier when he met with other head of states and foreign dignitaries. I have rarely seen Albert in these photos. When Caroline and Albert were children, it was reported that when the family flew somewhere, Albert went with Grace and Caroline with Rainier. During these flights they had a lot of time to talk, and Rainier supposedly shared a lot of his ideas with Caroline. As has become evident, Caroline is smarter than Albert and better educated. Also, though she probably is spoiled, I don't think that it is to the extent that Albert is and she would do what is best for Monaco rather than what is her pleasure as Albert does. Caroline stays in Monaco, unlike Albert, and lives with the Monegasques. She doesn't just use it as a stopover to get clean clothes. Caroline does have the heirs, now, unlike Albert. Also, one of Albert's biggest decisions was a wife and he choose Charlene. The fact that he waited until Rainier died to marry probably also says something about Albert and his choice of wife. If Charlene and Albert have a child, I figure that Charlene will be the primary caregiver after the nanny. How this child will be raised and the character it develops is a major unknown, but with Charlene in charge, I'm not hopeful. These two do not understand what their role in the world is as Sovereigns of Monaco. Caroline does and would do a better job. I was with MyaDia in that I never was pushing for Caroline to be the heir. First because I didn't think that she wanted it and second, because I'm for male primogeniture. But after seeing Albert in action and full authority for 5+ years, it's time to put this nightmare to rest. The Monegasques have been loyal to the Grimaldis for 700+ years; they deserve better than the two village idiots, especially when there is someone better. JMO
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Post by scout on Apr 15, 2011 11:23:41 GMT -5
I thought that the 'hand in the pocket' pose was just a little too cute. I guess I'm old-school, but walking/standing like this at a public event is frowned upon. Too unladylike, but it is Charlene. MyaDia, was it you or someone else on the RD who predicted that the Wittstocks would use his mugging as a reason for the whole family to move to Monaco?
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Post by scout on Apr 15, 2011 11:07:57 GMT -5
Oh, i put that of the swedish royals and i didn't see that change! These two are pathetic. Why is this change? Trying to get more attention because nobody cares for the wedding? Is there really such a close relationship with the Swedish royals and the Monegasque royals? I remember that in the 1990's Caroline went to some royal events in Sweden, like the King's birthday, but I didn't realize that there was such a strong connection that the whole immediate family would attend a street fair wedding. Are they fully aware of the arrangements, so far? I hope that Q. Silvia has someone to help her navigate all the cobblestones at this street fair; I've been worried about her lately. I have to believe that this whole nightmare that Albert is planning is mortifying Caroline. She has always tried to be dignified in public, but I don't see how you can have any dignity left and attend this joke of a wedding. But if foreign royals are attending, I'm sure that she will try to do her best to limit the embarrassment to Monaco
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Post by scout on Apr 14, 2011 10:07:10 GMT -5
Just a dilettante in action. When will the weight of him going everywhere to be seen and photographed outweigh any cachet that he can bring to the event? Albert was in San Remo a few days ago with Caroline and Charlotte for the horse competition. No pictures that I have seen of Albert. Also, a week or so ago Caroline and he were at a Sickle Cell meeting in Monaco, but no pictures. Is Caroline trying to limit how much she is seen with him since he is really starting to get the reputation of being a joke?
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Post by scout on Apr 14, 2011 9:57:34 GMT -5
What did the document/treaty that Rainier did in the early 2000's address? I know that it allowed Caroline to inherit from Albert which before once the son took over, only his heirs could take the throne. And it tried to fix it so that none of Albert's illegitimate children could assume the throne. The children had to be from a legitimate marriage and I thought that the children had to be raised Catholic, but I never knew that the spouse had to be Catholic, too. I think that Rainier had decided that Albert would never marry and have children, so he fixed it so Caroline's children could inherit the throne. And he probably never thought that someone would come up with the idea to use a sham wedding that would have lasting impact to the country to increase tourism numbers.
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Post by scout on Apr 14, 2011 9:44:21 GMT -5
Look at her eyes! Her right eye is looking in a totally different direction as the left. It's very clear in this photo. It's jarring in person! The Point de Vue cover photo I'm speaking of.[/quote] Isn't there a surgery for this? I would think that with all the surgeries that she has had, this one would have been first.
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Post by scout on Apr 14, 2011 9:36:33 GMT -5
I guess Charlene did not understand how hard the duties of 'the job' would be. It may include looking and acting totally absorbed and interested even if you are asked to watch paint dry. They went to Ireland to see Albert's roots. Albert, her beloved, man of her dreams, one that she loves above all others, her soulmate. You would think that something about the visit would interest her. Oh wait, didn't she go shopping every day?
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Hello!
Apr 14, 2011 8:05:51 GMT -5
Post by scout on Apr 14, 2011 8:05:51 GMT -5
Thanks, MyaDia!
I am excited about this forum, its members, and its potentials.
I think that as we get closer to the wedding date, Albert's quest to make this the wedding of the century will create all kinds of discussion points. Only a few more weeks until WillKate's wedding, and then we will truly see how excited the world is about this non-dynamic duo. It just seems like another balding rich guy marrying a manufactured trophy wife to get attention. Happens all the time in the US, nothing special. Only difference is that Albert did not marry his true love first.
;D
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Post by scout on Apr 14, 2011 7:48:55 GMT -5
Thanks for the post, Margarita! Karma to you! That was interesting information about the Polish commission. I guess these individuals on the commission did not use it to advance personal agendas, but only wanted to know the truth of what happened for the betterment of Poland. How refreshing! I am so enjoying this new forum! Thanks again MyaDia!
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Post by scout on Apr 13, 2011 18:37:32 GMT -5
Thanks for that explanation Tigerben! But from what I read, I really get the feeling that the towns people who met and spoke with Albert really did like him. No one, I mean not one person, had anything of substance to say at all about Charlene. And she is the 'flagship of Monaco' who is going to take them to heights never achieved before!
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Post by scout on Apr 13, 2011 12:43:30 GMT -5
Thanks for the pictures, Myadia!
I'm starting to note a trend: if Caroline is present, Charlene is absent. Will this continue once the non-dynamic due tie the knot?
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Post by scout on Apr 13, 2011 12:31:29 GMT -5
Countess, LOL I saw this article yesterday and thought of Charlene also. One look at this poor woman and it would have me cold-turkey off plastic surgery. LOL
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Post by scout on Apr 13, 2011 12:26:59 GMT -5
I still fail to see where it says that she has to be catholic. (Sorry Hibou ;D) Monaco is a confessional state but at the same time says that guarantees people's rights so anyonw knows how Monaco regulates other religions? I'm with you; I'm not sure that she has to be Catholic. But Charlene's inability to be honest with who she is has lead to this confusion about her faith. If you are not Catholic and don't want to be, then stand up and state what you are and why you plan to stay that way. But Charlene tried to hedge with her reply in the PPVA interview and so the question has lived on. I guess because she didn't want to risk 'unsealing the deal'. Now we have this what appears to be a quickie conversion. Maybe Charlene has been in training for conversion for a year or two, but did not want to publicly announce it. She could have answered the question by stating she is Protestant, plans to stay that way, but is currently in studies with the Catholic church to learn her responsibilities in raising her future children as Catholics. Then when her conversion was announced, it would be clear that she has been studying this for awhile. The confusion that has arisen with these two when asked questions that most serious couples discuss before they announce their engagement, only confirms to me that this is not a love match, but a business transaction. Too sad for Monaco.
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Hello!
Apr 13, 2011 11:55:43 GMT -5
Post by scout on Apr 13, 2011 11:55:43 GMT -5
I'm Scout and was Scout on the RoyalDish. It was the first forum that I actively participated in; on others before, I just lurked. I posted a couple of times of TRF, but was instantly shot down and decided it wasn't for me. I started posting on RD because of MyaDia. Here was someone who brought actual news stories to the forum for you to discuss; it was more than just commenting on someone's clothes or criticizing poor Charlotte because she always squints in her photos.
I have been interested in Monaco since I discovered Grace Kelly in Alfred Hitchcock movies about 30+ years ago. Here was someone who had reached the top of her profession, very quickly, and walked away from it for marriage and children. It intrigued me. I have watched the three siblings grow up and travel through adulthood, mostly Caroline and Stephanie. Albert was always a mystery until he ascended the throne and he has not been a pleasant surprise.
Anyway, looking forward to sharing opinions and ideas with all of you and look forward to learning more about the royal world.
;D
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Post by scout on Apr 13, 2011 11:13:06 GMT -5
Hey, everybody! I am excited about this forum and thankful that MyaDia is taking the time and effort to get it going! ;D Particularly excited to see the gang from RD are all coming aboard. I enjoy everyone's posts very much! Let's let the truth prevail!
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Post by scout on Apr 11, 2011 12:35:09 GMT -5
In the first Irish Independent article that MyaDia posted, I found the tone not 'glowing' for Charlene, but very disrespectful. The writer seemed to only view Charlene as a sex object, not as the potential Princess Consort of a head of state. And mentioning Albert's looks was not exactly 'glowing' either to me. The whole tone of the article made me wonder if Ireland has much respect for Albert and Charlene and Monaco. The private dinner at the K Club at the first of the visit only emphasized Monaco's continued shadiness in people's eyes. As news of this dinner leaked out, evidently members of Ireland's government were forced into commenting on the dinner and it appears that whatever positive buzz was created by the visit, this dinner is now erasing as it reminds everyone of who Albert really is. As I said in one of my last posts in blackout land, Albert was riding on his parent's coattails with this visit, big time. He was trying to gin up attention for his upcoming wedding by reviving the successful trip that his parent's had to Ireland. What has Albert done on his own? This STATE VISIT was just a fix for Albert and Charlene's narcissistic addictions. I don't see how it did much to improve relations between Ireland and Monaco. Thanks again MyaDia for starting this forum. Karma to you!
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Post by scout on Apr 10, 2011 21:03:33 GMT -5
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