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Post by MyAdia on Jun 22, 2011 9:40:53 GMT -5
Thanks again Viviane for the transcription of the interview! Bernard Vatrican has moved from Monaco, so I doubt that he would have stated these things about Albert if he was still living in Monaco. If people in Monaco would have spoken up like this publicly early on in Albert's reign, I feel Albert would have been a much better leader. But, people in Monaco are only hurting their country and ultimately themselves by allowing Albert's misrule to go unchallenged! Bit by bit Albert will destroy everything in Monaco they hold dear an they will be left with a fame-whoring Princess Charlene parading around in her multi-thousands dollar designer outfits in her attempt to make herself Monaco a fashion capital of the world.
As for the football team, I've been reading all these articles about how much the team meant to the people of Monaco and how disappointing they are to e downgraded to League 2, but the stadium was relatively empty during home games. So, I questioned all this new found loyalty. Even Albert didn't go to that many home games. Albert blew it with cleaning up the team when he fired his long-time friend Jerome Bontin who came in and tried to get rid of the crooks who were making the team unprofitable. Albert couldn't stand up to the crooks and instead got rid of Jerome.
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Post by mrszinck on Jun 22, 2011 10:13:14 GMT -5
I would like to thank Viviane for translating! Star  Because Mr. Vatrican Bernard is denouncing the defects of the country (thank you Mr. Censors). A quote from Mr. VB: 'Our sovereign can be a great ruler has behind him are great people." But with the Monegasques there today, Monaco is damn. Because he can not do this like did Rainier III. It is not he who will save Monaco alone. Clearly, Albert II does not have this scope here, and I do not think that this is an evil. "Because it requires us to cease being an assisted people and take over our destiny." This is! It is well worth a red nose? I like to sign... ' " Notre Souverain peut être un grand souverain s’il a derrière lui un grand peuple. mais s’il a les Monégasques qu’il a aujourd’hui, Monaco est foutu. Parce qu’il ne fera pas ce qu’a fait Rainier III. Ce n’est pas lui qui va sauver Monaco tout seul. Manifestement, Albert II n’a pas cette envergure là, et je ne pense pas que cela soit un mal. Car ça nous oblige à cesser d’être un peuple assisté et à prendre en main notre destinée." Voilà ! Ca vaut bien un nez rouge ? Je persiste et signe..." Me being"smaller" like Albert II gives back (to Monegasques)
served a large: it requires them to grow up."
"En étant "moins grand" Albert II leur rend (aux Monégasques) un grand servie : il les oblige à grandir.""Bravo Mr. Bernard for having the courage. Always breathtaking intelligence political, historical, institutional…trying to serve his country!!! |
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Post by paca on Jun 22, 2011 10:55:12 GMT -5
Monaco Blog of Daniel Boeri ... not only an Art Gallery forum... You understand what I mean ? I don't say anything else... tsoin tsoin...  I know, but that's what he does for a living. I think he was one of the organizers for the artists for Haiti auction |
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Post by paca on Jun 22, 2011 11:26:48 GMT -5
Thanks for the link Paca and the summary of Bernard's interview. He has stated some of the same things that we have been stating about Albert's leadership and this wedding (I love the bling bling reference - that's Charlene's true influence on Monaco). yes,but some might interpret it as positive whereas the way he says it it is not sth he wishes for and upon Monaco. And of course it will not be good for Monaco in more in one way. |
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Post by mrszinck on Jun 22, 2011 12:06:25 GMT -5
He say not the future is bright, but believes it can be bright! PS: this has nothing to do with Charlene. Monaco is more than that…  |
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Post by emmeline on Jun 22, 2011 12:39:30 GMT -5
Thanks Viviane for the translation!
I very much agree with this man. Albert seems to be a good guy, fun to be around with. But it takes a lot more than that to rule succesfully Monaco.
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Post by scout on Jun 22, 2011 12:53:17 GMT -5
Thanks Viviane for the translation!  One point I noted was that he said that Monegasques see Albert as a "good boy". Where I come from, it is not a compliment to be a 53 year old man and people call you a 'good boy'. It is saying that you may be very nice, but you haven't matured, you haven't grown up, you are not ready for adult affairs. Hardly, a recommendation for a head of state. I have read others who have described Albert this way. This wedding extravaganza is something that an immature person would do, not a mature man of 53 so Albert just confirms what some people think of him. |
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Post by mrszinck on Jun 22, 2011 13:11:51 GMT -5
Exactly scout He also says that Rainier III holding everything close and now the team comes and goes... |
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Post by royalpauper on Jun 22, 2011 13:48:30 GMT -5
Hello The three things of interest to Albert II
"Prince Albert is interested in two things: sports and ecology, third, it will usually calm down I think lol I will not talk about his private life (he laughs ...)" In conclusion ...
"He is adorable, everyone loves him because he's a good man, a good boy as they say in Monaco. He's a good boy but it is not enough to be a great ruler. That's the problem." End This man has buried Albert as a man and a ruler. Also, he has buried Albert ans WC's relationship/love/marriage with just a one simple sentance. LOL |
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Post by viviane on Jun 22, 2011 15:29:11 GMT -5
One point I noted was that he said that Monegasques see Albert as a "good boy". Where I come from, it is not a compliment to be a 53 year old man and people call you a 'good boy'. It is saying that you may be very nice, but you haven't matured, you haven't grown up, you are not ready for adult affairs. Thank you Scout, thank you all yes I confirm that "good boy" in french is an expression for gentle/nice and immature person. |
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Post by viviane on Jun 22, 2011 15:43:04 GMT -5
Viviane, I moved you post about the comparison between Albert I and II here. A separate thread for this topic will be redundant since we have an historical thread about Albert I (where this is discussed) and we have this thread about Albert II's reign and his performance. We can really discuss the comparison of the two Albert's reign and leadership here - as it relates to how Albert is doing. Thanks so much for the summary/translation of Bernard's interview! Thank you MyaDia. I do not agree with the move of this article but I accept it. I created a different thread because it is not political nor historical, but two different lives of two princes of Monaco with some similar points, intentional by PA or not. (two path of live...  ) I also want to know the point of view of other posters. Here in this thread, it is flooded in the mass... glou glou ! lol |
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Post by viviane on Jun 22, 2011 15:46:55 GMT -5
Monaco Blog of Daniel Boeri ... not only an Art Gallery forum... You understand what I mean ? I don't say anything else... tsoin tsoin... I know, but that's what he does for a living. I think he was one of the organizers for the artists for Haiti auction For help them ? Thank you for the link, it is very interresting to (re)read. And completely actual. |
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Post by paca on Jun 22, 2011 18:48:49 GMT -5
yes, the auction was to help Haiti. I have to say that the majority of participants where the type of divorced/bored housewives and not what I understand as artists. IMO they are amateurs mostly, but then in a place like Monaco you don't have a lot of real artists. Only people who make pictures to decorate the walls of those who don't know anything about art, but would like to say that the artist is a friend of theirs to give themselves an air of being cultured when they are not. I had a laugh about one of those people who owns heaps of property, among them a prominent Villa in Villefranche which costs sth like 40 or 50 Million Euros. We were asked to come with our kids to have a piano concert there. The house is huge and right at the moyenne Corniche. There were several pools and fitness room, but they only had half a grand piano. ANd what is worse and shows so obviously that whoever did the interior decorating had no idea about music and pianos: the piano was placed in a throughway between dining room and living room in front of the door to the balcony... www.alexandra-lloyd.com/cap_ferrat/schifanoia.php |
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Post by blue j on Jun 22, 2011 20:34:37 GMT -5
Reading what Monegasques think about PA, it seems they like him but rather don't respect him. It also seems that they like him mostly because he's Rainer's son, so due to sentiment to his father. Albert is perceived as nice, so harmless guy, he is not even perceived as a man but as a boy. Albert more & more seems for me as Peter Pan. Sad.
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Post by viviane on Jun 23, 2011 8:07:07 GMT -5
Bernard Vatrican said "Rainier spoke little, but he keep things like that (he clenches his fist) and it worked"
Rainier III is still seen as the big boss of Monaco... Yes, but not at the beginning.
Do you remember that he almost lost his throne on the same day of his coronation?
It is because of the financials actions/stocks? of Katanga and the Mexican Eagle... It is the first crisis (not the only)
Dogs do not give birth to cats...
And corruption is not just magically appeared at the end of his life when he was sick. It was probably amplified but was already there IMO.
The south of France has that reputation. So I can understand that for Albert II this is difficult to clean even if he had originally intended. (I think it is a very big and difficult work to do) Maybe if he clean, there would be fewer people to rule the Principality. (lol) I wondered if he had to make concessions, choices?
But I do not like his indecisions, these changes of direction. That discredits him as a ruler.
He has not the character of his father, sure, and maybe he is forced to play on another field: image, apparence and communication, but IMO the work is VERY bad. And with Internet all mistake can be seen very quickly.
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Post by mrszinck on Jun 23, 2011 10:48:41 GMT -5
I've read Frederick Lawrence. Paris was indeed not happy with the young Pr. Rainier...
Rainier, hid behind his Royal privilege, refused to show his account... the pressure has him and he had to do.
Foreign oil companies are still big business...
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Post by MyAdia on Jun 23, 2011 15:04:07 GMT -5
Viviane, I moved you post about the comparison between Albert I and II here. A separate thread for this topic will be redundant since we have an historical thread about Albert I (where this is discussed) and we have this thread about Albert II's reign and his performance. We can really discuss the comparison of the two Albert's reign and leadership here - as it relates to how Albert is doing. Thanks so much for the summary/translation of Bernard's interview! Thank you MyaDia. I do not agree with the move of this article but I accept it. I created a different thread because it is not political nor historical, but two different lives of two princes of Monaco with some similar points, intentional by PA or not. (two path of live... ) I also want to know the point of view of other posters. Here in this thread, it is flooded in the mass... glou glou ! [/font]lol[/quote] "Here in this thread, it is flooded in the mass... glou glou !"Trust me Viviane, I understand your above sentiment. I do realize that posters do not read every post in every thread. I do undersatnd that posters who take the time to find and post information would like for people to read and comment on their information. As I stated before, not only do I spend a lot of time finding information, I spend a lot of time preparing my post to try to make it as reader-friendly as possible." First, people may read and appreciate your info and just not post. So, pelase do not stop posting information becasue you think that people aren't reading. I read everything in the Monaco section and I really just do not have the time to post on every single item that is posted - I try though. While I do like for people to comment on my items, I also realize that people may read it and not comment and even visitors may read it. Second, starting a new thread is not a guarantee that posters will 1) read your item and 2) then comment on it. Honestly, posters have a variety of opinions and interests on Royal Opinions and posters pick and choose even threads that they want to even open or boards to even visit - and that's ok. Third, I have to combine/move about 10 new threads created every day that people start because either they do not realize that there is already a thread that is appropriate for the item that they posted or that they want as you stated not have their item "flooded" among the other items in the already existing thread. Fourth, it them invites people to start thread just to ask questions because they want their item to be seen and commented on (which really does happen - I just move them really fast). Please try to understand, if I allow people to start all the new threads that they prefer for either the above mentioned reasons or any other reason. then each and every board will be "flooded" with new threads. Thus, it will make even reading all new threads cumbersome. I have not deleted one post and instead spent the time to move posts to the appropriate thread because I value the time that posters spend finding and posting the information - and I value the information But, I seriously believe that Royal Opinions will be less valuable if it becomes a free for all with little organization. Do you have any idea what each board will look like if I allow posters to just start a new thread for every single item, comment, question, link or photo that they have - just because it is easier for them to just start a new post or because they want their item to be seen? Please, realize that we have a lot of visitors on the board - way more than members and even posters. So, you may have more of an audience than you realize! |
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Post by viviane on Jun 23, 2011 15:29:11 GMT -5
Don't worry MyaDia, I realize (I know the work of an admin) and like I have already wrote, I accept it.
I'm just saying my point of view with a touch of humor.
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Post by mrszinck on Jun 23, 2011 16:16:55 GMT -5
Thank you Mya for starting and organising the forum. I like also like you structure. You make it easy to read. Thanks. Star/karma |
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Post by paca on Jul 27, 2011 19:32:34 GMT -5
the article has been posted before in another thread. I think the wedding in the media or sth. there are other things that should worry him, but they don't because he is too dim. Just ask yourself why the government felt that they have so vehemently react to Baniers remarks. surely not because of his remarks....and remember there is a large number of enfants du pays who are French and have been contributing over generations to MC prosperity, but are in comparison denied to benefit.they are part of MC too but have no reason to be loyal to a prince who has promised to change their situation and then done nothing about it. Also some of the surrounding French communities are doing a lot to draw people away from MC. Most people don't notice anyways that they are on French soil, so some of the smarter mayor have decided to benefit. www.quartiersaintantoine.fr/pr-sentation-du-projet/pr-sentation-3.html this will be finished in 2 years and take business away from Monaco and create work for people. Carrefour has already changed a lot and are basically preparing their closing. Once Monoprix opens they won't have a chance anyways. Habitat will eventually be closing since they are bankrupt so there will be a lot of empty space to fill. not mentioning the empty industrial space that does not find any takers but instead there is a potential it will get even more for various reasons, one of them being the MC protectionism, another their undecidedness about EU affiliation and of course the the simple fact that ALbert can throw them out on a whim, take their property without them having any legal basis to fight him. And we know how much people willing to invest in MC have lost due to Alberts whims already.... |
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