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Post by cm7007 on Jun 1, 2012 13:17:18 GMT -5
LOL Maybe they will stock it up a few floors and turn it into the worlds biggest brothel. I think that would be really what fatbert is aiming for with MC. At least he would be attracting the King of Sweden, the King of Spain and Belgium....Finally they'd get Royalty to flock to MC. And Mom Wittstock could finally be the true brothel mom that she is. There might even be a job for dad in there: he could be the bouner... Brilliant idea, Paca! ;D And you're right! It's already well on it way!
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Post by grimnir on Jun 1, 2012 14:10:58 GMT -5
I doubt daddy W. would be a good bouncer. Remember he got mugged while visiting his daughter's glory swim?
BTW, how are the building activities around the Ilot Rainier? Are they finished yet? Monaco seems to be perpetually "under construction". I remember that somewhere early in his reign Albert had a rare moment of insight and said something like how many people can this place hold. He said it slightly more diplomatic, but still...
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Post by paca on Jun 1, 2012 14:59:10 GMT -5
LOL that was a set up, so the family had an excuse to leave SA. Do you actually see anyone mugging daddy Wittstock? With that face?
And yes he did say that in an interview before his ascension, but then Biancheri stepped right in and contradicted him on camera. That's when fatbert found out that he would have to fight to have a say...and after a brief struggle he gave up and did what he always did....
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Post by paca on Jun 1, 2012 15:37:55 GMT -5
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Post by paca on Jun 5, 2012 3:17:06 GMT -5
here is an article about the financial situation of te people in the region. According to this article already in 2010 47% could not leave for vacation. I doubt it is much different in the rest of France. Summer holidays the French ten to spend mostly at one of their coasts, or if they live near the coast the go to the mountains. No just think, with econmoie doing way worse, how this will have an impact on toursim in MC and the frequentation of restaurants etc. Already in 2010 people complained that the few tourists that did come, did not frequent restaurants as they used to. Now from all I hear the weather has not been that good either these past weeks. I know that a lot of my friends wait pretty much last minute to organize sth. I assume that many will do the same this year, hoping for last minute offers or deciding due to weatherforecast if and where they are going. IMO there is another year ahead for MC with bad tourism numbers. www.monacomatin.mc/cote-dazur/ils-economisent-pour-partir-en-vacances.891015.html
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Post by MadameConcorde on Jun 6, 2012 4:48:59 GMT -5
here is an article about the financial situation of te people in the region. According to this article already in 2010 47% could not leave for vacation. Big lie. The Riviera is certainly the richest area in France. Only needs to take a look at the cost of rent. Any stupid studio without a proper kitchen or cooking facilities and a less than comfortable bathroom (rather shower room) and without a sea view runs between 700 and 1000 Euros a month. One needs a high income to live in this part of France. Everybody has got their own cars. Only a rare few are using public transport (bus and train) 100% of the time. It is no mystery that all the super-rich of the planet want to have second or third homes on the Riviera. Look at the number of mega-yachts everywhere, some of them never even go out all year round, super cars, Ferraris, Bentleys, Lamborghinis, Maseratis, Aston Martins, super villas on the Capes, the heights of Villefranche or Nice, Menton, Cap d'Antibes, Cannes, St Tropez, Vence, Mougins and more! The average person on the Riviera will be the rich man of other regions. Go to Normandie or Bretagne. It will be weeks and even months until you will see a Ferrari even in a place like Deauville. The rich man's car there will be a Mercedes and not of the latest model. Normal living on the Riviera is for those with high income. Those who want to scrimp and save and live off little income are elsewhere.
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Post by paca on Jun 6, 2012 6:06:56 GMT -5
Well, I know quite a few people who are not so well off. And exactly the high rents and the high prices in general prevent you from having a high standard of living if you do not have a big income. Especially single mothers are concernned. In the region you have to pay a lot more in order to have the same standard of life that you can have in other regions of France for less. The super yachts are no indicator of the income of people in the area. Not mentioning that the yachts do not fill the restaurants. It's the mass tourism that makes the money, not the odd rich guy who comes to dine. And if you are unlucky and he is like Zuckerberg, then you don't even get a tip.
Are you seriously thinking that the people who work in Nice, Menton and MC as cleaners, salesclerk etc are rich? Really? Have you ever been to their homes and seen how they live? Especially if they had to live of one income with kids? Are those people hiding supreyachts or Ferraris in their tiny, overprized studios? The majority of people living in the area is not rich and never will be rich. The rich people only spend a few weeks per year in the region, but thye spoil the prices which people will have to pay year round. ST tropez is even in winter incredibly expensive. And frankly, I don't get why anyone would wantto go there. In summer it is crowded with scum and rich scum, in winter is deserted and has not much to offer apart from overpriced restaurants and shops with unfriendly staff.
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Post by mrszinck on Jun 6, 2012 10:31:55 GMT -5
I was surprised of the high figure 47% for the region.
France is considering a max. rent price. I like that.
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Post by paca on Jun 6, 2012 10:44:10 GMT -5
In certain regions they will have to do that. People can not efford decent living. In Germany you do have an opportunity to consult the average rent in the area you want to rent. If you have rented a place and the owner changes or they want to raise rent, then they can not by law go above certain percentage and they also have to keep within limits. Obviously you have areas that are expensive and others that aren't and I doubt that will be changed in France, but especially in the PACA region you have incredibly high rents. They up the rents every time someone moves out. And not because they renovated or did anything, just because some neighbor appartment costs more. There is hardly any decent housing to be found. 2000 Euro for a small 3 room appartement is normal. And that does not mean that you are living in a great area. The problem is that with a normal income you can not efford a decent life in some areas in France. And either in those areas you would have toraise salaries, which is not going to happen, or you have to find other ways of ensuring that normal people can have a normal life. It is a ww problem that the rich a re getting richer and the poor poorer and even the middle class is breaking away. But the middle class breaking away and the poor getting poorer and being dependent on welfare will result in major desaster longterm. You need to consolidate the poor and allow them to make a living and make sure the middle stays solid. Those are the main pillars for the economy. They are the mass of people. If they can't buy, there is no need for production. The rich do not spend enough to keep the economy going.
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Post by mrszinck on Jun 6, 2012 14:07:17 GMT -5
I totally agree, paca.
I wanted to hire something (years ago) and I had to pay for the ‘MC Closet’ 950 Euro…
One room with no sight! (1 window looked out on a balcony of someone else and the other window looked out on a wall - the other building was built too close…). No, thank you!
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Post by paca on Jun 6, 2012 17:42:15 GMT -5
Well, in MC you won't get a decent 3 piece for less then 4000 Euro. only if you are Monegasques. But people who actually work in MC can not efford to live there. Only when you own a company there. then you have to live there. When we moved from MC to Beausoleil, we paid half the rent, got a bigger place and a seaview, elevator and a cave. in Germany you can rent a villa with a nice sized garden for that.
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Post by agentf on Jun 6, 2012 18:44:49 GMT -5
We found St-Tropez so flat when we went through - geographically and socially! I think it's an aberration when you squeeze out your nationals to make room for expats who don't give a rat's behind where the nation will be in twenty years. Poor judgment there. You're only as strong as your people. Starving them is medieval. Well, I know quite a few people who are not so well off. And exactly the high rents and the high prices in general prevent you from having a high standard of living if you do not have a big income. Especially single mothers are concernned. In the region you have to pay a lot more in order to have the same standard of life that you can have in other regions of France for less. The super yachts are no indicator of the income of people in the area. Not mentioning that the yachts do not fill the restaurants. It's the mass tourism that makes the money, not the odd rich guy who comes to dine. And if you are unlucky and he is like Zuckerberg, then you don't even get a tip. Are you seriously thinking that the people who work in Nice, Menton and MC as cleaners, salesclerk etc are rich? Really? Have you ever been to their homes and seen how they live? Especially if they had to live of one income with kids? Are those people hiding supreyachts or Ferraris in their tiny, overprized studios? The majority of people living in the area is not rich and never will be rich. The rich people only spend a few weeks per year in the region, but thye spoil the prices which people will have to pay year round. ST tropez is even in winter incredibly expensive. And frankly, I don't get why anyone would wantto go there. In summer it is crowded with scum and rich scum, in winter is deserted and has not much to offer apart from overpriced restaurants and shops with unfriendly staff.
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Post by paca on Jun 10, 2012 10:11:10 GMT -5
The opposition is going to each quartier in MC and asking the opinions of what people actually want, need or criticise in the area where they are living. I know la Condamine well, and really they are the worst off. They are for 3 months bothered by the GP and the jumping, they have traffic jams year around. The port is basically too expensive for locals to have their own boats. and with boats I mean more the kind of dingies that people near the water use to go fishing etc. not yachts. And it is true there are no playgrounds apart from that pityful thing near the market. There is one set of swings and a slide...in normal places you wouldn't even consider that a playground. For older children there is nothing they can do outside after school (which is pretty much all over MC the case) and for teenagers it is the same. You wouldn't believe how spoiled my kids feel now that we have a soccer and basketball place right next to us, a skateboard range and playgrounds around every corner. And for rainy days we have 3 centers within walking distance where kids can play babyfoot, billard, darts or computergames. One of them also has a room for pillow fights You can find sth for every age group. And there are people available in case a kid has problems and needs someone to talk to. There are also special activities and festivities proposed plus the kids can get involved in the planning and execution of these activities. As a parent you do not need to be constantly around your kids, but you know that they are in good hands. 7 days a week. there is nothing like that at all in or around MC. The kids are entirely left on their own, if they don't have parents or family to take care of things... www.monacomatin.mc/monaco/reunion-de-quartier-re-la-condamine-grogne.895632.html
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Post by mrszinck on Jun 10, 2012 10:39:38 GMT -5
I totaly agree, paca !
But these meetings are nonsense. Nothing will change!
The F1 will continue and cost more...
The people need to move away! and there are no real fishermen anymore in MC...
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Post by paca on Jun 10, 2012 11:42:49 GMT -5
My neighbors went fishing quite often. But not with a boat. There still are professional fishers in MC. I don't think thes meetings are nonsense as they can help to get people organized and form a real opposition. If people realize that they are listened to then they might in the next step be willing to go the next step. First you need to make people see that they are not alone with what they think and want; And then you need to get them to figure out ways to achieve that. Obviously the party wants to get elected, but they will need to do sth more in order to achieve that. I think the fact that only in la Condamine they got 100 people together means that there is a high interest. They are doing this in every Quarter. If they reach 600 people, that is a lot. Those people have families and friends they can talk to. And usually only one family member goes and informs the others. Considering the small population of voters, I think they are reaching quite a few....
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Post by mrszinck on Jun 10, 2012 12:53:58 GMT -5
I understand what you're saying. But in the end it will make no difference...
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Post by agentf on Jun 10, 2012 13:16:09 GMT -5
they have already bought land in France. That won't do. The entire region is expensive and hence the communities don't have money to create decent venues for locals. Explain that to me, please. What do you mean by decent venues for locals? I'm not understanding. Sincerely.
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Post by paca on Jun 10, 2012 14:20:03 GMT -5
the communities have no money to build playgrounds etc. Space is too expensive to waste on kids and teenagers. Better to sell it to rich people who use it 3 weeks per year...
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Post by agentf on Jun 10, 2012 16:03:04 GMT -5
I see. That's depressing.
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Post by MadameConcorde on Jun 14, 2012 14:32:04 GMT -5
There is news going around that Prince Albert is very angry about the bus company raising the cost of single bus tickets to 2.00 Euros. Apparently he ordered the ticket price to be lowered back to 1.00 Euro saying the bus company is making plenty enough profit with the old bus fares and there was no need to increase the ticket cost. Let's see if CAM (the bus company) will change the ticket cost back to 1.00 Euro in times to come.
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