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Post by paca on Jul 9, 2011 6:11:09 GMT -5
if conlene is as street smart as i suspect, stahl's days are numbered. it took Diana a couple of years but she slowly got rid of a lot of the flying monkey flunkies around chucky, she preceived to be too "strong". i remember the stories coming out, it seemed like every week for a couple of years someone was resigning. FatAls weak he's been manipulated by minions since his father died and now he's married to the minion above all minions, he'll do what she says because it will be the path of least resistance. he's an idiot JMO Don't count him out, he's got that Irish personality where he's very easy going.... until... he hits that point and then BOOM, volcano. Remember the image of him throwing hte chair at the soccer game and the man next to him who was bigger than him was sitting there cowering like a child? On top of that for the first time we've been seeing facial expressions that match the truth of what's going on- sober and reflective and unhappy. My guess is there is some rapid maturing going on right now... He still has a chance to pull it out of the fire. I think if he stood up and cleaned house en masse and stood up publically and said he did hte wrong thing and he realizes now he got railroaded , and promise not to have flunkies around him again, people would give him a second chance and he could start over again. I mean he was probably told day and night by his advisors that this was the right thing for him to do for Monaco. That's the worst of it... I really believe that is true and I believe that's at least why his people would support him if he showed the maturity to do that, they would realize he's grown up the problem is he is 53. At his age people don't believe that he can change his personality. The disaster is not due to one mistake, it is due to who he is as a person. And you don't change that quickly. The only way to turn things around is to get someone in who can do the job for him and whom he backs entirely; Allavena was a good one, but Albert didn't back him that's why he won't come back. And I doubt he can find someone like him again. Especially since he has a history of not protecting them. |
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Post by paca on Jul 9, 2011 6:37:35 GMT -5
Monaco sales almost always start earlier then France and Italy. There is not much going on in MC anyways. People know that you need to wait further down the sales as they cut prices even more to the end. Ok. But Albert, his flunkies, the Director of Tourism and a whole lot of others bragged and expected the huge number of tourists to shop at these stores before and after the wedding - that's why they kept the stores open. As far as the retail end, this wedding did not bring the economic impact that they expected. IF so, you wouldn't se such huge discount - and empty stores. the discounts are no different then normally during sales. The shops are as empty as in previous years. But the weather is better. ANd yes they said that's what they expected to happen, but it was a hope not a realistic analysis. And they paid heaps of money to people who were willing to lie to or for them. I have always said for the past few years that they have no concept and no idea how they can turn things around. They always came back to the same thing, that they had to make MC more attractive to tourists, especially rich tourists. It is totally and utterly wrong. They have to make MC attractive, which it is at present not. I am currently getting ready to move. And the more I look at the city I am moving to, the quality of living even when you are not wealthy, the more I see what MC is lacking. People in Monaco, tourists and residents alike are paying too much for what they are being offered. You can get the same, but in most cases better, somewhere else for less. Plus you can state your opinion without having to fear drawbacks with regards to your job, friends and family. And as long as they do not change that, they will not be attractive to tourists or residents. And they do forget that when Monaco stops to offer the social climbers the crowd of gaffers, they will move away too. |
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Post by dolcevita on Jul 9, 2011 9:24:57 GMT -5
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Post by dolcevita on Jul 9, 2011 9:35:58 GMT -5
It's complete insanity to me for PA and his peeps to honestly think that the world's economic crisis can't touch Monaco! The wedding was an expensive disaster. Some kind of PR/Tourism prop that went wrong. What other country plans a royal wedding and presents it like a tourism event rather than a lovely wedding? Nobody else would drag their country so low as to need a gimmick to help keep their economy going, certainly not England with Will/Kate. They didn't have to have coincide special discount sales as if it were Disneyland. People came to see the BRF wedding from all over the world, just cause... Those hotels were sold out and expensive. Nothing was "price-cut" to attract tourists to London!
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Post by countess on Jul 9, 2011 9:59:05 GMT -5
welcome dolcevita moronaco in most of the articles i'm reading is "tax haven" & "postage stamp sized" it's reverted back to a sunny place for shady people and it's ALL FatAl's fault, he is the dictator after all, i'm sure he blames everybody else but IT IS HIM and now the farce of the wedding has brought them PR but not the kind they paid for, stories are mocking and may seem sugar on the top but the underlying message is >>>>>TRASH<<<<<<<< this "wedding of the century" gambit didn't work, it has failed even more than i hoped or could have imagined. it was quoted many times that flagship trashlene was going to "save" moronaco, that the wedding would bring world wide attention and put the economy on track. we said at the time if that was plan A, hopefully plan B would be more successful. i think it's clear there is no plan B, the flying monkey flunkies are stunned the world hasn't swallowed the koolaid, and i'm sure quite mad and frustrated YEAH that just makes my day thinking about FatAl snarling and snapping out at everybody, and the monkey flunkies grasping at straws trying to convince him what he's seeing isn't really what he's seeing KINDA are you going to believe me or your lying eyes type of situation.....we all know he's one of the dumbest, stupidest idiots wonder how long that's going to work? in the meantime, if i lived in moronaco i'd be checking out of this hotel california before it really gets to the point "you can never leave". i can't believe there aren't people in the streets with flaming torches and pitchforks demanding the heads of the people that just spent EASY a 100 million dollars on a farce, while the country is doomed. he's a billionaire (reportedly, I DON"T KNOW but IMO probably > i've only seen this in a couple of places but reportedly, part of his fortune was confiscated from jews during WWII that never returned from the deportation to the Nazi's>>> WHY ISN't this investigated) HE SHOULD HAVE PAID FOR HIS OWN WEDDING!!! |
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Post by suite583 on Jul 9, 2011 10:24:59 GMT -5
and the monkey flunkies grasping at straws trying to convince him what he's seeing isn't really what he's seeing KINDA are you going to believe me or your lying eyes type of situation.....we all know he's one of the dumbest, stupidest idiots wonder how long that's going to work? Countess, this is really funny. How would like a prototype of the monkey flunky look out?  |
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Post by paca on Jul 9, 2011 10:54:11 GMT -5
you forget that London has a lot to offer when there is no wedding. Monaco had nothing to offer for the wedding (many locals didn't like the concerts etc. especially the elderly) and has not much to offer otherwise. It is a place that tourists can tick off their to do list in half a day. Then they are of to Nice for the FREE museums of CHagall and Matisse. And those who want to party go to other places, especially in summer; The beaches here are not that great either. As to the sales of designer clothes: there is a place just over the boarder in Italy which has year around cheap designer clothes and they are starting their sales now too. You can find a lot of women from Monaco go shopping there. And on their way back they get great quality groceries for less then half price from Monaco.
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Post by paca on Jul 9, 2011 11:04:22 GMT -5
in the meantime, if i lived in moronaco i'd be checking out of this hotel california before it really gets to the point "you can never leave". LOL that is exactly what I am doing right now. By the time trashlina is becoming honorary citizen of Beausoleil, I will be long gone and enjoying greener pastures. |
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Post by maxima25 on Jul 9, 2011 15:52:32 GMT -5
So basically the maim problem is that they think of the principality as a paradise for the rich? I have seen interviews with P. Rainier in which he denied this. He explained many people went to worked in Monaco every day because there were many industries. I donñt know what happened with that.
They probably will start to adapt to new times and not wait for the rich to spend their fortunes there, but think if the way of making it attractive to other markets.
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Post by MyAdia on Jul 10, 2011 16:00:31 GMT -5
This reporter visited Moanco the Thursday before the wedding and he stated Monaco's restaurants were practically empty. Methinks all those shop and business owners who gave testimonies about how much positive press from around the world and business they will get because of the wedding (see this post and the two following it). From the Daily Trade Alert:
A Bearish Sign For The Economy
By Jeff Clark, The S&A Short Report
July 10, 2011
It doesn’t matter how bad things get in the global economy. We can always count on the world’s billionaires to buy that extra tin of beluga caviar, or that set of custom hubcaps for the Maserati. They already have more money than they can spend in a lifetime. So the strength or weakness in the economy doesn’t really matter to them.
That’s why we should all be worried about the lack of big yachts in the south of France.
This is “big boat” season in the French Riviera. It’s when potbellied bald guys open up their wallets, and supermodels take off their tops. Everyone prances along the coastline playing a game of “Who’s Got the Most?”
This year, sadly, there is a lack of participation.
My family and I vacationed with some friends in Monaco last week. Despite being the height of the tourist season, and Prince Albert’s pending nuptials, the place was quiet. Too quiet.
“Where is everybody?” I asked Franck, our waiter at the Michelin three-star Le Louis XV restaurant. We walked in off the street at 12:15 p.m. on the Thursday before Prince Albert’s Saturday wedding and requested a lunch table for eight. We didn’t have a reservation, but we were seated immediately.
The restaurant was busy, but not THAT busy. The French Riviera was busy as well, but not as busy as you might expect in the height of the summer just before an “A” list celebrity event.
“Je ne sais pas (I don’t know),” Franck replied as he shrugged his shoulders. “We were quite busy last month, and in April. But June is miserable for business. It’s like the world just went to sleep.”
“It’s a bad time for billionaires to take a nap, huh?” I asked.
My charming wit didn’t translate as well as I had hoped. Franck glared at me with that “I’m going to spit in your food” look.
“I hope they wake up soon.” Franck replied, “They’re good customers.”
What happens, though, if they don’t wake up? What if billionaires are as sensitive as birds on a wire? The first bird to freak out and leave the perch sparks the “fear” instinct of the other birds.
What should us “less than billionaire” people think of this?
If the wealthiest members of the world society aren’t spending money and are cutting back and conserving their wealth instead, what should we be doing? What does that say about the future prospects for the global economy?
Obviously, there’s no easy answer. And I hate to draw a conclusion off my two-week experience in the south of France. But if the wealthiest people of the world are cutting back and curtailing their spending habits, what does that say about what all the rest of us should do?
Beware of napping billionaires. It’s not a good sign for the economy.
Best regards and good trading,
Jeff Clark
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Post by lilae on Jul 13, 2011 11:55:44 GMT -5
Le Canard enchaîné, french newspaper.
Les finances de Monaco ne sont pas à la noce
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Post by countess on Jul 13, 2011 12:07:54 GMT -5
google translate French - detected to English translation Monaco is in the red, the stories of princes and princesses are no longer for sale. and those who have relied on a wedding to forget the worries of the principality are for their expenses. It must be said that Albert is not a leading man and Charlene Wittstock, his icy wife is clearly more gifted back crawl for a smile. The party is over. Bankruptcy threat. Drop the action ....... 12% of the company of sea bathing ... net loss of 17.3 million euros. The reserve fund of the principality decreases ..... Real estate transactions fell by 50% and prices by 30% since 2008. (50 000 m2) The lights attract more of the rock. Tourism is the half-mast. Pastor Patrice left Monaco to London. A former minister of Monaco has tried to attract wealthy Chechens and rich Indian families .... The Minister of Finance wanted to help remove the Philharmonic Orchestra and of the opera. But when he attacked the Ballets de Monte-Carlo, he found the Princess Caroline on his way, which calmed his ardor. ;D icy wife better at the back crawl than a smile ;D ;D she's also good i'm sure at the BED crawl ROFL flagship trashlene is really saving moronaco, isn't she  |
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Post by MyAdia on Jul 13, 2011 12:52:28 GMT -5
WE told them! WE told them! We told them!
No, but all the sugar loonies - who thought dressing up a plastic surgery addicted dumb-as-a-rock high school drop out will attract tourist and the world to Monaco - called US the crazy one! We said that Monaco will go even broker with this trashy made-for-tv wedding! WE said in time the truth will reveal itself and Monaco will be the laughing stock of the world.
WE WERE RIGHT!
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Post by MyAdia on Aug 10, 2011 9:34:04 GMT -5
This Monaco Hebdo article states that the large renovation project for the Condamine market project has been drastically cut because of Monaco's budget deficit problems. For 2011, the project has been cut from €8 million to now €3.3 million - that is a 60% reduction - €4.7 million less ($6,759,070 less).But, guess what Monaco thought it was better to spend the money on - Albert and Charlene's wedding! In this post, I posted the May 20, 2011 article which Monaco's Minister of State Michel Roger stated that they had originally budgeted €4 million toward Albert's wedding, but that number was too low for the lavishness of Albert and Charlene's taste. In this post, I posted the July 2011 article where Michel Roger reported that the government contributed €9.850 million ( $14,260,830) to the wedding - and increase of €5.850 million ( $8,412,885) - which would have more than paid for the Condamine market renovation! Clearly, the government thought it was a better investment pampering Albert and Charlene and their guest than investing in infrastructure for the country. Which will last longer the Condamine Market improvements or Albert's wedding?
The Condamine Market Renovation Reduced
By Sabrina Bonarrigo
Friday, August 5, 2011
The government has dramatically scaled back its budget for the renovation of Market Square. For 2011, the envelope goes from 8 to 3.3 million euros. What will the impact on the work?
After the cultural sector, these are the sites that undergo Monaco in turn cuts. To address the deficit of 96 million euros provided by the government, counsel for the equipment Marie-Pierre Gramaglia said on July 5 news conference that some projects would be delayed or scaled back. Including the market for Condamine, hard hit. Initially, to renovate the historic heart of the Principality, the state had planned a budget of 8 million euros in the 2011 initial budget. Funds for renovation of the market hall and the Place d'Armes. But in 2011 amending the budget dropped to 3.3 million euros (1). Down staggering 4.7 million euros. Substantial savings which forced the mayor, the government and the department of urban development (UAA) to review the project (2).And it is essentially at the mezzanine that the savings will be. Now it is the buyer, not the government, which will fund the work. Remains to be determined what activity will be installed. "In September or October, we will launch the tender for the mezzanine. The choice will be an area of a surface or restaurant food. But there will of a single sign, not two, "said Mayor Georges Marsan. Announced another economy: initially, the project included installing an escalator to route Terrazzani passers-by in Market Square. Finally, it was decided to rebuild a single staircase. According to the mayor, micro-savings are also made here and there on the outside of the market. With, for example, a little less green space or street lights that would not be changed. The government declined to give details about it, "trade-offs are being finalized."
Interior intact
Interior side, no disruption in perspective. The spirit of "Provencal village" designed by architect should remain intact. "The aesthetics within the hall will not be affected from the project than we had imagined. We managed to save the entire project design and internal layout, ensures Fred Genin, the architect who worked on the project. At the end of the year, at Christmas time, traders will be relocated to the hall on the Market Square in a tent. From January 2012 we will begin work in the hall. Late 2012, will be finalized. "Side traders, old and new, the market should have 24 in total. "The council will review the nominations and the final choice will be in September, further clarify the Mayor of Monaco. Financial aid will be also allocated to former traders at their facility. " The mayor also says that traders will benefit from an exemption from the rent during the period they will be installed in the marquee. To believe the town hall, rents have also not had an increase in 4 years.?
(1) On 3-year project to renovate the global market place is more than 17 million euros.
(2) The SAU is responsible for the redevelopment outside the Market Square.
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Post by emmeline on Aug 10, 2011 12:23:12 GMT -5
They should be ashamed. Oh my God, i can't believe Monaco has such a sellfish leader! Not even mention the transvestite princess...
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Post by MyAdia on Aug 12, 2011 7:44:25 GMT -5
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Post by taz on Sept 21, 2011 5:57:23 GMT -5
Crisis also hits small states: Andorra and Monaco want to economizeIn the next three years Monaco is going to reduce its budget deficit with severe discipline to zero, promised on Tuesday, Minister of State Michel Roger. The Prime Minister stressed, however, with reference to the Euro-crisis: "The situation is a little different in Monaco: Monaco's economy is better." But there was concern about a general recession in the Euro-area, and the principality would depend on the neighboring countries. The target is therefore: more revenue through fewer but more targeted spending. Monaco and Andorra had agreed under pressure from the major industrialized nations to make concessions in the tax and banking practice and were therefore deleted from the OECD list of tax havens. I posted the translation of the other part of the editorial which deals with Monaco in the Cost of Prince Albert's Wedding & Who's Paying? thread, the rest is about Andorra.
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Post by countess on Sept 21, 2011 9:46:00 GMT -5
i LOVE IRONY>>>my favorite form of humor and this IS soooooooooo FUNNY!
oMgaaawwwddddd we called it again, flagship trashlene is the titanic!!!!!! ROFL
the flying monkey flunkies are going to have to stick to the story that the wedding will save moronaco.
am i reading into the remarks she has 3 years to show a payoff? any bets she lasts that long? she's gotta come up pregnant to stave off this disaster (in their delusional minds) YEA like that's gonna happen.
i'll betcha $5 bucks whiles he's in russia, she's getting planted with seeds that swim JMO JMO
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Post by emmeline on Sept 21, 2011 14:06:48 GMT -5
LOL 3 years is way too much...my prediction is Charlene will be gone by the end of the next year...if she last that long
Also, if they think that getting pregnant the princess transvestite is gonna save Monaco...well, they are f*cked.
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