grandduchess
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Post by grandduchess on Jul 14, 2011 20:26:15 GMT -5
Any idea when the red cross ball in on this year? Or will they drop it? I am expecting them on the red cross ball. But you never know.... Watch him go without her...
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Post by sandsla on Jul 14, 2011 20:51:38 GMT -5
Very true Sandsla! There has to be something really, deeply pathologically wrong with Albert - something we haven't a clue about that is wrong with him. He must have such a deep, deep hatred for his father - and maybe even his mother - that he can't help himself. He's hell bent on totally destroying and making a mockery of everything his parents build up, accomplished and stood for. (Even if everything they did do turns out to be a fraud - the public at large doesn't know it.) It's really sick, self destructive behavior! The sad thing is I really think it is more a case of a man who wrestles with trying to like himself more than anything, and for some reason he is thinks that he is undeserving--somewhere deep inside him, maybe it is even an unconscious type of self sabotage? Everyone has insecurities but Albert's I think are on a much deeper level? I don't know, but I think his father or someone along the way must have done a real mind trip on him? His life comes with some perks, but it also comes with a lot of emotional burdens, and at a very early age, so it is hard to fathom that Albert would not want to find someone that he could really trust and share his life with, especially at this stage of his life, you would think having a partner in life, that honestly loved and supported him would be crucial for a man in his position, and it wouldm't hurt if she had half a brain at least . I think it's too bad that he let himself get tangled up in this mess, if it wasn't for Albert's insecurities in himself that are probably unwarranted, he really probably could have had exactly what he had hoped for and imagined for himself. I don't see why it could not have gone a totally different way for him, and why he chose to do this to himself instead? Maybe he is a man who lost his way somewhere, but I think if he is not true or authentic to himself, whatever that is, and untill he does that, he will never be able to succeed nor well he ever be very happy in his life. I hope someday he is able to put this mess behind him, but I don't know why he ever thought he ever had to go down this road in the first place?
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Post by bettina on Jul 14, 2011 21:19:22 GMT -5
What an interesting point sandsia. There was a book about PA growing up and in a passage it was saying that his father got frustrated at him not playing well during a tennis match that threw the racquet at him or something similar and more of the same behavior towards him. I cannot remember the title for the life of me but someone may remember it?
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Post by bettina on Jul 14, 2011 21:41:18 GMT -5
Robert Lacey, Grace, I think that was the book.
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Post by sandsla on Jul 15, 2011 0:11:37 GMT -5
What an interesting point sandsia. There was a book about PA growing up and in a passage it was saying that his father got frustrated at him not playing well during a tennis match that threw the racquet at him or something similar and more of the same behavior towards him. I cannot remember the title for the life of me but someone may remember it? I haven't really read any books on them? I never knew which books were that accurate or just someone trying to make a quick buck off them. Well I think Albert was left with his father when Grace moved to Paris with Caroline when she went away to college. I also wonder if Grace could have favored and treated Albert in a certain way, maybe favoring him too much as some women do with their boys and sometimes with the children that resemble them the most? I see it happen. Sometimes kids and parents get into a cycle where one parent feels the other parent favors them too much, or in a boys case, they might really be afraid that the mother babies them too much, so the father is that much harsher with them, not always to be cruel but they have a fear their son will grow up too soft, and then the mother babies the boy that much more when they see the father is being so harsh? And then the father retaliates more, and there is a real weird cycle there? I usually see the father babies the girl in the family and the mother babies the boy, and they seem to play favorites, and usually in a way that is not very healthy for a child. Considering Rainier's childhood, and knowing what Albert's role would be in his life and what he would be up against, I can imagine he might have been a little rough on Albert or not able to understand a different personality type different than his own or just unable to accept it, which probably only made it worse for Albert. I bet though that Albert's father probably loved him much more than Albert probably ever let himself think, and maybe Albert has acted out against his father with some resentment of feelings unloved by him, instead of maybe recognizing that his father was just trying to prepare Albert for the rough road he knew he would have ahead of him, in the best way, or the only way he knew how? I don't doubt Rainier had a lot of love for Albert, and probably just wanted the best for him, and maybe Albert also had a hard time understanding where his father was coming from, or recognizing his fathers own limitations and accepting them, or his own emotions and fears of having to deal with living up to his father's legacy. It is a hard dynamic and I have seen it in a lot of men who grow up with a lot of expectation of them in life. There are a lot of very sweet pictures of Rainier and Albert together and there are a lot of men that just don't participate in their children's lives much until they are actually grown sometimes, but it doesn't seem that Rainier really did that, which in his position it might have been expected. I love that video where Ranier and Grace are trying to give an interview and where Rainier is trying to hold on to a very active baby Albert--it's really sweet, not many men, especially in Rainier's position, would do that--most men are eager to hand off their kids to someone else after a few moments and Rainier really seemed to spend some time with Albert judging from the pictures I've seen, and what i've read, so that tells you something? Rainier didn't seem to have close relationships with the male figures in his life, so he may not have had a lot of resources to draw upon himself in raising Albert, that is outside of what Grace taught and expected of him. In some ways it seems Grace and Rainier tried to raise their kids as normal as possible? I have no way of knowing about what is really going on there, but Albert does seem to purposely sabotage himself by surrounding himself with the wrong people, and with people that do not have a lot of love or loyalty towards him or that could possibly make him feel very good about himself, so why would he do that? Why would he surround himself with people that do not have his best interest at heart or would be out to get him? I think Albert might also have a problem with being too sensitive and taking things wrongly as a sign of rejection, and maybe that is really his biggest fear?Which might have something to do with his relationship with his dad, not to mention his very daunting public role he did not get to chose in life? I think it is probably less devastating to be rejected by someone who you do not respect, or is not respected by others? Which might explain why he chooses the women that he does in his life? Plus even though it might be what he fears the most, it might also end up being a self fulfilling prophecy because it's what he always feels or projects, so he draws it to him. As they say, it's like riding a motorcycle you always end up going where you're looking? After awhile it becomes what you know best and oddly what you are most comfortable with even if it is uncomfortable in other ways? I do think Albert for some reason refuses to really reach for what he really wants in life, if he is even able to determine what that is? OK I'll shut up now, since i have no idea what I'm talking about! ;D
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Post by margarita on Jul 15, 2011 2:32:56 GMT -5
Great post Sandsla And thanks for the info with Rainier throwing the racquet at him, Bettina! We puzzle here is my piece to the puzzle: Wondering if that might explain Alberts reaction on criticism: he experienced it only as destructiv critisism and not supportitive/ constructive advice carrying the message "I don't love you - you are worth nothing!" and not "I love you no matter how you perform - I tell you how you might perform better because I believe in you". There is something about dysfunctional families: people stick to the pattern they know and and are afraid of new experiences, such as "healthy relationships". I still say Albert should take a time off (HE-not Charlene who had 6 years time-off!) and go to a monastry for a while, healing his inner self, cleaning from the energy at him that attracts the wrong kind of people. Hear his own inner voice and recpect it - then he will be respected. I think he could do a great job if he did this! He is very sensitive and passive - so maybe he should focus on Eastern philosophy turn this into strengh. He is half American, but has no western/ masculin/ agressive soul. My Godmother uses to say, be cautious - but never be afraid of anything! Be brave! Because you attract what you fear.
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Post by bettina on Jul 15, 2011 3:27:41 GMT -5
What an insightful post sansia and margarita! Yes, rejection from your loved ones is much harsher than those who mean nothing to you, all those lackeys and pimps ( that is the official name in Monaco for some of his acquaintances ) probably means nothing to him, he can dispose of them any time... As for Rainier, he was a chubby catholic boy in a protestant english boarding school at that time, you can imagine the bullying he went through, probably wanted Albert to be tough too... " The Grimaldis employed an English nanny, Kathleen Wanstall (said to be a cousin of Winston Churchill), who resolutely refused to speak, or even listen to, a word of French. De Polignac, who had retained rights over Rainier's education, insisted on his going to an English prep school, Summer Fields, at St Leonards, where he was known as "Fat Boy Monaco". www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituaries/royalty-obituaries/1487262/Prince-Rainier-III-of-Monaco.htmlAnyway, Margarita is right, for the sake of Albert and Monaco, he should try to sort himself out, call it shrink or monastery as he seems to be self destructive and nothing much can come out of any outside help, in other words, he is not going to listen to any sensitive advise such as all offered in this forum!
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Post by margarita on Jul 15, 2011 4:04:46 GMT -5
What an insightful post sansia and margarita! Yes, rejection from your loved ones is much harsher than those who mean nothing to you, all those lackeys and pimps ( that is the official name in Monaco for some of his acquaintances ) probably means nothing to him, he can dispose of them any time... As for Rainier, he was a chubby catholic boy in a protestant english boarding school at that time, you can imagine the bullying he went through, probably wanted Albert to be tough too... " The Grimaldis employed an English nanny, Kathleen Wanstall (said to be a cousin of Winston Churchill), who resolutely refused to speak, or even listen to, a word of French. De Polignac, who had retained rights over Rainier's education, insisted on his going to an English prep school, Summer Fields, at St Leonards, where he was known as "Fat Boy Monaco". www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituaries/royalty-obituaries/1487262/Prince-Rainier-III-of-Monaco.htmlAnyway, Margarita is right, for the sake of Albert and Monaco, he should try to sort himself out, call it shrink or monastery as he seems to be self destructive and nothing much can come out of any outside help, in other words, he is not going to listen to any sensitive advise such as all offered in this forum! Thanks for the quotation from the book about Rainier! That's interesting... ... Rainier went through a little hell too. (Which actually was rather a big hell for little Rainier...) My observation so far: people react in two extremely different ways when they are faced with mobbing and rejection: In Germany we say very often: What doesn't kill you makes you stronger. I know it from my family...* It's very Prussian/ Protestant/ I don't know what... This approach matches to people like Rainier. They grow stronger confronted with difficulties. The other type are people who become more and more insecure and weak under the same circumstances... Albert seems to belong in that group. That doesn't mean he IS weak by nature - he could be strong. Just the circumstances at an early stage of life didn't match his nature... Now he is old enough to realize this, forgive ... and change the pattern, giving his life a different turn. I don't think Rainier hated Albert or was aware of what he did to him. I even tend to say he loved him (his way) and wanted him to grow strong, because he was concerned about his son and Monaco, knowing how hard the rock can be... My guess is - he wanted to do something good for Albert and raise him strong. That's why he did to him what made himself strong. But Albert has a totally different "soulset". Rainier couldn't know and hit him only stronger - poor Rainier must have been desperat. And Bettina - thanks for the info about the Nanny! Nannies play a VERY important role when it comes to pass culture - in terms of how to react, how to "fee"l the world and to think it ... on a very deep level. All the things one can hardly put in words but which determine the fate of a person sooo much. In Russian nobility kids used to be educated by teachers from England, Germany, France ... but the nanny used to be Russian, often not very educates in the way we define "education" but highly qualifies in "soft skills", sometimes almost wise. They tought the children not only russian language, but russian culture, a "soft" way to percept the world, russian orthodox values like forgiveness and patience (passive vs. active), being aware of emotions (vs. being hard= strong) ect. The effect was interesting: they "felt" Russian but "thought" western. If you ask me, children -especially of "higher" families (thinking of social skills and respect) - need a "russian" (or monegasque )nanny and lot of love Teachers and coaches will show them how to think and fight. But they need someone to show them how to feel, love and be loved, respect and be respected. (! and to pass the local language, traditions --- Princes loose contact with their subjects and the reality of the country they are supposed to rule otherwise. How can you rule what you don't know? How can you know what is good for your country when you don't "feel" it's nature - and barely know your own nature.)
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Post by bettina on Jul 15, 2011 5:41:14 GMT -5
Sorry if I caused a misunderstanding, the nanny was Rainier's nanny not Albert's.
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Post by countess on Jul 15, 2011 7:39:44 GMT -5
ya'll can make excuses for him all you want but we're tallking about a man in his 50's. he's weak with a monster ego, he's a laughingstock but thinks he's a player, he's emotionally retarded with the personality of a teenager. he was spoiled by his mother and never developed into a mature person. he totally lacks self awareness, surrounds himself with flying monkey flunkies, prostitutes, corrupt underworld figures and we wonder why he's such a bad leader?
all the problems he has IS NOT IMO his parents fault, he's a grown man, responsible for his own bad decisions. he needs to step down, and he would if he really loved his country, but i don't think he cares about moronaco anymore than he does anythingelse. it only serves a purpose one thing, it gives him a way to try and con the world and escape responsibility.
he's a waste of space and oxygen, he's hopeless and the odds of him suddenly waking up with self awareness and any kind of insight is NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. he's got to GO!!!!!
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Post by MyAdia on Jul 15, 2011 8:20:43 GMT -5
Albert and the palace had no need to resort to all the attempts or this ridiculous deception, and no wonder Albert and Stahl see nothing wrong with anything about Charlene's character, when they are just as happy to try to deceive so many people themselves and use them as their own pawns in this fraud of a relationship and now marriage, and of course what is worse.....it is with a woman that is not at all liked b y anyone....a woman that is very offensive who already had a monumental inflated sense of self importance, and with the very least reason to! Albert shows no respect or loyalty to his own people when he decided to marry (for no reason at all) some abstract woman that no one likes or COULD EVER "RESPECT", not even after six years....how could they?!! [/b] [/u] In spite of knowing how bad she is even disliked in Monaco by his own people the country he is meant to be the Monarch of....after he has forced her on them for six years, not to mention other dignitaries, royals and high profile people that had to endure her, and where they have found her just as offensive or turned off by, he marries her anyway!!!! forcing her on the Monagasque people and his family even further! And now he has the nerve to say his people are being unfair to her , that they owe it to him and Charlene to like her and respect her! He is out of his mind! Even Louis XV was not that stupid and arrogant! Albert better shut up quick if he doesn't want to contemplate him and his wife's own heads on the the ends of a couple of pikes--I am sure his people are pissed enough at him as it is, without insulting them further with such arrogant demands that they owe something to his repulsive wife! The idea that Albert and Charlene has everyone in there hand and pocket because of his money or position is just the kind of thing people hate! Again ladies on the sugardaddy boards....I hope you are enjoying the spin! [/quote] Sandsla, you summed above perfectly what I feel is the worse thing that Albert did to Monaco! Albert knew his people despise Charlene - for good reasons - but he decided to listen to the flunkies that Charlene cultivated and who all had something to gain for a ignorant bimbo like Charlene maybe being regent of Monaco or something to gain from this wedding (think Stephane Bern). Albert didn't listen to the Monegasques who loved him in spite of his failings, but listed to people like his media adviser Jean-Luc Mano who told him that Charlene and this wedding will boost Monaco's image and the economy. He listened to people like Stephane Bern who told him (paraphrasing) - Forget what the people in Monaco think, Charlene is loved around the world and once you marry her the people in Monaco will come around. Albert was too lazy and too spineless to do the hard work and make the difficult decisions that would really make a difference in Monaco . Instead, as always - he chose the easier road and went on an image campaign instead of a working campaign. How's that strategy working for you Stupid Al?
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Post by dolcevita on Jul 15, 2011 8:26:30 GMT -5
AMEN, Countess, A-M-E-N!
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Post by MyAdia on Jul 15, 2011 8:36:09 GMT -5
In Germany we say very often: What doesn't kill you makes you stronger. I know it from my family...* It's very Prussian/ Protestant/ I don't know what... This approach matches to people like Rainier. They grow stronger confronted with difficulties. The other type are people who become more and more insecure and weak under the same circumstances... Albert seems to belong in that group. That doesn't mean he IS weak by nature - he could be strong. Just the circumstances at an early stage of life didn't match his nature... Now he is old enough to realize this, forgive ... and change the pattern, giving his life a different turn. Margarita, I agree with your quote above. Rainier also had a very difficult childhood - but he grew STRONGER due to those difficulties. However, I cannot continue to make excuses for Albert who clearly also had a difficult childhood, but turned into a weak adult. I agree with part of countess stated. Hundreds of millions over people around this world have a multitude of family dynamics and childhood difficulties to overcome. However, many of these people recognize those dynamics and difficulties and seek help or by themselves try to overcome them. Albert doesn't seem to have done this - therein lies his problem. Until he does, he will without a doubt continue doing the same destructive self-indulgent behavior. I don't think Albert has a cruel nature narcissistic nature, but he has lived life of pure self-indulgence where his needs are paramount!
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Post by royalpauper on Jul 15, 2011 10:19:14 GMT -5
ya'll can make excuses for him all you want but we're tallking about a man in his 50's. he's weak with a monster ego, he's a laughingstock but thinks he's a player, he's emotionally retarded with the personality of a teenager. he was spoiled by his mother and never developed into a mature person. he totally lacks self awareness, surrounds himself with flying monkey flunkies, prostitutes, corrupt underworld figures and we wonder why he's such a bad leader? all the problems he has IS NOT IMO his parents fault, he's a grown man, responsible for his own bad decisions. he needs to step down, and he would if he really loved his country, but i don't think he cares about moronaco anymore than he does anythingelse. it only serves a purpose one thing, it gives him a way to try and con the world and escape responsibility.he's a waste of space and oxygen, he's hopeless and the odds of him suddenly waking up with self awareness and any kind of insight is NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. he's got to GO!!!!! Countess, BRAVO for putting it the way it is! I think it is enough of finding ALL kind of excuses for this useless man. He is 53 years old , had lived a very privileged life and if he had encountered a few bumps down the road in his childhood , he had have enough time to fix it and move on. You said it exactly how it is, who Albert is and what needs to happen next. It is time for him to go to "retirement" or forced exile. He had shown with his antics in the last few years, and especially with this ridiculous wedding, that he has no common sense, intelligence, insides or maturity to run anything especially a country (no matter how small). He learned NOTHING, he is capable of NOTHING and is time for him to GO!
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Post by cm7007 on Jul 15, 2011 14:00:52 GMT -5
In Germany we say very often: What doesn't kill you makes you stronger. I know it from my family...* It's very Prussian/ Protestant/ I don't know what... This approach matches to people like Rainier. They grow stronger confronted with difficulties. The other type are people who become more and more insecure and weak under the same circumstances... Albert seems to belong in that group. That doesn't mean he IS weak by nature - he could be strong. Just the circumstances at an early stage of life didn't match his nature... Now he is old enough to realize this, forgive ... and change the pattern, giving his life a different turn. Margarita, I agree with your quote above. Rainier also had a very difficult childhood - but he grew STRONGER due to those difficulties. However, I cannot continue to make excuses for Albert who clearly also had a difficult childhood, but turned into a weak adult. I agree with part of countess stated. Hundreds of millions over people around this world have a multitude of family dynamics and childhood difficulties to overcome. However, many of these people recognize those dynamics and difficulties and seek help or by themselves try to overcome them. Albert doesn't seem to have done this - therein lies his problem. Until he does, he will without a doubt continue doing the same destructive self-indulgent behavior. I don't think Albert has a cruel nature narcissistic nature, but he has lived life of pure self-indulgence where his needs are paramount! I agree completely! And sadly, I think it's too late for him to change - at least as far as Monaco goes. Perhaps if he is forced out, that will shock him into some kind of self-inspection and realization - but once he steps down - or is forced down - he will never, ever, be at the head on Monaco again. And, maybe that's for the best. I feel the only thing I can do for him at this point is to pray for his soul's highest good and let the chips fall where they may. That is the best and most compassionate thing I can think of.
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Post by taz on Jul 15, 2011 14:56:27 GMT -5
I don't know if it has been already posted but Bild called the palace and they confirmed that C and PA are currently on a secret honeymoon and will be back in Monaco on July 21st. So I think they'll attend the Red Cross Ball on July 30th. C has to show off her new ocean tiara... So they are on honeymoon for a week or 10 days?! When did they leave SA, does anybody know?! Isn't it romantic?! They can just stand each other for a week not more. I bet they are not alone but with "friends"...
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Post by cm7007 on Jul 15, 2011 15:33:15 GMT -5
ya'll can make excuses for him all you want but we're tallking about a man in his 50's. he's weak with a monster ego, he's a laughingstock but thinks he's a player, he's emotionally retarded with the personality of a teenager. he was spoiled by his mother and never developed into a mature person. he totally lacks self awareness, surrounds himself with flying monkey flunkies, prostitutes, corrupt underworld figures and we wonder why he's such a bad leader? all the problems he has IS NOT IMO his parents fault, he's a grown man, responsible for his own bad decisions. he needs to step down, and he would if he really loved his country, but i don't think he cares about moronaco anymore than he does anythingelse. it only serves a purpose one thing, it gives him a way to try and con the world and escape responsibility. he's a waste of space and oxygen, he's hopeless and the odds of him suddenly waking up with self awareness and any kind of insight is NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. he's got to GO!!!!! Sadly, I concur.
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Post by cm7007 on Jul 15, 2011 15:36:45 GMT -5
I don't know if it has been already posted but Bild called the palace and they confirmed that C and PA are currently on a secret honeymoon and will be back in Monaco on July 21st. So I think they'll attend the Red Cross Ball on July 30th. C has to show off her new ocean tiara... So they are on honeymoon for a week or 10 days?! When did they leave SA, does anybody know?! Isn't it romantic?! They can just stand each other for a week not more. I bet they are not alone but with "friends"... Honeymoon - smoneymoon! The entire thing is a farce and a fraud! And I agree -- she'll go to the Red Cross Ball ONLY because she want to SHOW OFF HER NEW HAT!
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Post by donna on Jul 15, 2011 17:22:27 GMT -5
ya'll can make excuses for him all you want but we're tallking about a man in his 50's. he's weak with a monster ego, he's a laughingstock but thinks he's a player, he's emotionally retarded with the personality of a teenager. he was spoiled by his mother and never developed into a mature person. he totally lacks self awareness, surrounds himself with flying monkey flunkies, prostitutes, corrupt underworld figures and we wonder why he's such a bad leader? all the problems he has IS NOT IMO his parents fault, he's a grown man, responsible for his own bad decisions. he needs to step down, and he would if he really loved his country, but i don't think he cares about moronaco anymore than he does anythingelse. it only serves a purpose one thing, it gives him a way to try and con the world and escape responsibility.he's a waste of space and oxygen, he's hopeless and the odds of him suddenly waking up with self awareness and any kind of insight is NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. he's got to GO!!!!! Countess, BRAVO for putting it the way it is! I think it is enough of finding ALL kind of excuses for this useless man. He is 53 years old , had lived a very privileged life and if he had encountered a few bumps down the road in his childhood , he had have enough time to fix it and move on. You said it exactly how it is, who Albert is and what needs to happen next. It is time for him to go to "retirement" or forced exile. He had shown with his antics in the last few years, and especially with this ridiculous wedding, that he has no common sense, intelligence, insides or maturity to run anything especially a country (no matter how small). He learned NOTHING, he is capable of NOTHING and is time for him to GO! Bingo! Plus he has no courage, nor assertiveness, no conscience, morals nor ethics and he has no culture at all. He is just poop through and through, or merde like they say in French.
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Post by hibou on Jul 15, 2011 18:24:09 GMT -5
LOL You beat me too it! I was also going to say we are probably preaching to the choir here!
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