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Post by agentf on Jan 19, 2022 19:20:34 GMT -5
He apparently dated Charlotte, as it were. I didn't know. So young. I didn't use to wear a helmet, but after Natasha Richardson on a mountain I skied oftener in those days, now I do. Some female politician from the area said it would have made no difference in his case. When you hear people go out of their way, you have to wonder if a health event doesn't occur first, prompting the accident. He could have had an undetected heart ailment. And Covid has been worsening matters there too, with healthy people developing cardiac issues. It's beyond sad, one way or another. This was very sad so young!
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Post by paca on Jan 20, 2022 10:17:58 GMT -5
When I started skiing in the early 70s few people wore helmets. I think only the pros did during races and training. None of our instructors did either (my favourite died many years later literally on skis, having a heart attack on his way down, tragic, but somehow fitting as he died doing what he had done most of his life and loved doing, 10 or 20 years later would have been preferable though). I started wearing a helmet as an example to my kids. Though I never fell in a way it would have been needed. I only remember one major fall due to a collision with a training athlete who hit me from behind full speed. We both had a lucky escape, I didn't even have a bruise. But if you did sports from an early age, you tend to learn to fall and avoid most injuries. Watching professionals dusting themselves off after horrific accidents at high speed and walking away with minor bruises and injuries is always a relief, but comes with the training (not that they train accidents, but their bodies relax and go with the movement rather then fighting it; pretty much like cats)
I don't trust statements of politicians and find it also very disturbing. They should incourage wearing a helmet regardless. A prominent death is bad for business and tourism. It was close to where Schumacher had his accident and we know that he still has not recovered despite wearing a helmet (though his camera on the helmet made the helmet obsolete). So a responsible politician would encourage wearing of helmets and limiting speed.
anyways he collided with another skiier who wore a helmet and is alive. SUre there may have been other issues, but my guess is that it was the lack of helmet, combined with too high speed and inattention at a crossing from both skiiers. Sad, but most likely avoidable. And yeah the Richardson accident, made a lot of people think. In that respect through her death she probably saved a lot of lives, but that is little consolation for the bereaved.
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Post by paca on Jan 20, 2022 16:29:57 GMT -5
In view of the recent publication about the former popes involvement in child abuse cover up, I think that Albert should urge the vatikan to come clean. With a former pope not adhearing to its own teachings (especially considering who Ratzinger was before he became pope), the church has a problem right at the very top. Given that catholicism is state religion in MC, Albert has to demand answers. a taxhaven and prominent member of the worlds largest pedophile club is not a good look for MC. ALbert needs to publicly condemn the churches actions.
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Post by donna on Jan 20, 2022 18:19:48 GMT -5
In view of the recent publication about the former popes involvement in child abuse cover up, I think that Albert should urge the vatikan to come clean. With a former pope not adhearing to its own teachings (especially considering who Ratzinger was before he became pope), the church has a problem right at the very top. Given that catholicism is state religion in MC, Albert has to demand answers. a taxhaven and prominent member of the worlds largest pedophile club is not a good look for MC. ALbert needs to publicly condemn the churches actions. I agree with you Paca. It is not acceptable to stay silent, like men have been doing for each other for the last two milleniums or even longer.
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Post by agentf on Jan 20, 2022 20:25:49 GMT -5
I can imagine the retort from the Vatican would be something about casting the first stone... Alas, leaders don't lead by example.
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Post by agentf on Jan 20, 2022 20:26:25 GMT -5
And Spain. In view of the recent publication about the former popes involvement in child abuse cover up, I think that Albert should urge the vatikan to come clean. With a former pope not adhearing to its own teachings (especially considering who Ratzinger was before he became pope), the church has a problem right at the very top. Given that catholicism is state religion in MC, Albert has to demand answers. a taxhaven and prominent member of the worlds largest pedophile club is not a good look for MC. ALbert needs to publicly condemn the churches actions.
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Post by paca on Jan 21, 2022 15:26:15 GMT -5
In view of the recent publication about the former popes involvement in child abuse cover up, I think that Albert should urge the vatikan to come clean. With a former pope not adhearing to its own teachings (especially considering who Ratzinger was before he became pope), the church has a problem right at the very top. Given that catholicism is state religion in MC, Albert has to demand answers. a taxhaven and prominent member of the worlds largest pedophile club is not a good look for MC. ALbert needs to publicly condemn the churches actions. I agree with you Paca. It is not acceptable to stay silent, like men have been doing for each other for the last two milleniums or even longer. as they recently did in India. Letting a rapist bishop go free, because the nun took too long to go to the police because she waited for the Vatican to intervene. But she and her sisters are not giving up. Good on them. But personally I think if women desert the church, because they are denied opportunities and are being abused and because their children are not safe, is the only way to really change things. In Germany alone they would lose millions in taxes. And if politicians would take the churches cover up operation into account, they could simply tax them like other businesses, deny them the parallel jurisdiction and you will see how quickly they will change their tune. A mass exodus from the catholic church would be IMO the only tool that will make them think. The church is nothing without the people. You can still pray to god, if you believe in him. You don't need a pope or priest for that. I am not on twitter etc, but I wonder how quickly a hashtag would be trending and how the vatican would respond to that.
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Post by paca on Jan 21, 2022 15:40:26 GMT -5
I can imagine the retort from the Vatican would be something about casting the first stone... Alas, leaders don't lead by example. Benedict is denying inspite of the proof. I lived in Freising at the time of his office there. People feared him, but did not like him. There was gossip about him. A lot of people were shocked that he was called to rome, but at the same time they were happy to see the back of him. And just on a sidenote I knew a niece of his too. Funny thing is that she is not supposed to exist. But she has his name and is a spitting image of his late sister. Plus she has the Ratzinger ears. There was a lot of rebellion going on with her. She was in treatment as well due to the family issues she had. Also his brother apparently physically abused some of the choir singers. So maybe abusing and being abused is in their DNA. But they were protected by the church. And then one of them became the church.
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Post by paca on Jan 21, 2022 15:44:35 GMT -5
And Spain. In view of the recent publication about the former popes involvement in child abuse cover up, I think that Albert should urge the vatikan to come clean. With a former pope not adhearing to its own teachings (especially considering who Ratzinger was before he became pope), the church has a problem right at the very top. Given that catholicism is state religion in MC, Albert has to demand answers. a taxhaven and prominent member of the worlds largest pedophile club is not a good look for MC. ALbert needs to publicly condemn the churches actions. yes they too, but I think they are too busy struggling for their royals to survive all their scandals. And who knows how bad the church was there towards children and women. IMO the best thing is to leave the church and let them know why you are leaving. If worldwide enough people leave, they will quickly change their tune in many ways. Because ultimately they are all about money and not faith. Faith is for the poor and powerless. But if thise with faith go elsewhere, they are out of power and soon enough out of money.
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Post by agentf on Jan 22, 2022 9:18:27 GMT -5
There's irony in the reference to church, tax and Germany... isn't that what Lutherans protested initially against Rome? The money for salvation scheme? I digress. I don't think making rules based on exceptions where we ignore the majority within the church who do do good and give people's faith a clear structure, is the way to go. I would agree however about maybe starting a church that's friendlier to women, but I for one would never encourage people to cast themselves out into a spiritual void. I agree with you Paca. It is not acceptable to stay silent, like men have been doing for each other for the last two milleniums or even longer. as they recently did in India. Letting a rapist bishop go free, because the nun took too long to go to the police because she waited for the Vatican to intervene. But she and her sisters are not giving up. Good on them. But personally I think if women desert the church, because they are denied opportunities and are being abused and because their children are not safe, is the only way to really change things. In Germany alone they would lose millions in taxes. And if politicians would take the churches cover up operation into account, they could simply tax them like other businesses, deny them the parallel jurisdiction and you will see how quickly they will change their tune. A mass exodus from the catholic church would be IMO the only tool that will make them think. The church is nothing without the people. You can still pray to god, if you believe in him. You don't need a pope or priest for that. I am not on twitter etc, but I wonder how quickly a hashtag would be trending and how the vatican would respond to that.
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Post by agentf on Jan 22, 2022 9:33:54 GMT -5
Spain's scandals are about greed, but not about deviance. The current king and queen are a good example of marriage and family values. I think Albert's playboy past and history of fathering children don't play in his favour. The family divorces may also pose a challenge if you're trying for a moral high ground. But as someone who was violated in childhood, I can attest to serious lapses in Catholicism that give male deviants a free pass, under the suffocating principle of family unity. I can attest to supposed Catholic men in adulthood who, rather than take responsibility, plot and murder unborn children and cavalierly incur others' perdition and then go take the holy bread in church as if they are clean and innocent. So yes, much deserved damnation goes unheeded at least in this physical life. However their moral turpitude always shows. All this to say, the church definitely needs fresh air. yes they too, but I think they are too busy struggling for their royals to survive all their scandals. And who knows how bad the church was there towards children and women. IMO the best thing is to leave the church and let them know why you are leaving. If worldwide enough people leave, they will quickly change their tune in many ways. Because ultimately they are all about money and not faith. Faith is for the poor and powerless. But if thise with faith go elsewhere, they are out of power and soon enough out of money.
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Post by donna on Jan 22, 2022 12:13:38 GMT -5
I am very sorry about your ordeal in childhood agentf. No child should ever have to endure sexual violence and no one indeed. Luckily this is all surfacing now making it harder for the predators to get away with it.
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Post by agentf on Jan 22, 2022 16:28:24 GMT -5
That's very kind. Mine was processed years ago, thankfully and I was raised insanely tough. My hugest disappointment, or letdown, was ultimately the justice system who convicted on three counts in juvenile court, only for me 9 years later to find out by ordering transcripts - in order to free my mother from the legal guardianship of my aggressor - that 2 of 3 convictions had seemingly been turned into unconditional absolution and that my mother's cheque book had nevertheless been debited $10 000 which was the original amount my aggressor was supposed to give to charity as his sanction... To me, it meant my aggressor took $10k from my mother to pay off the judge. So you see, this is what's wrong with this female-loathing chauvinistic paternalistic system we find ourselves in, and sadly the church helps stigmatize women on top of the daily abuses of navigating life as a woman. And God forbid that you were blessed with looks too. They will make you regret it. I'm clearly born in the wrong era. I am very sorry about your ordeal in childhood agentf. No child should ever have to endure sexual violence and no one indeed. Luckily this is all surfacing now making it harder for the predators to get away with it.
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Post by donna on Jan 23, 2022 6:09:07 GMT -5
That's very kind. Mine was processed years ago, thankfully and I was raised insanely tough. My hugest disappointment, or letdown, was ultimately the justice system who convicted on three counts in juvenile court, only for me 9 years later to find out by ordering transcripts - in order to free my mother from the legal guardianship of my aggressor - that 2 of 3 convictions had seemingly been turned into unconditional absolution and that my mother's cheque book had nevertheless been debited $10 000 which was the original amount my aggressor was supposed to give to charity as his sanction... To me, it meant my aggressor took $10k from my mother to pay off the judge. So you see, this is what's wrong with this female-loathing chauvinistic paternalistic system we find ourselves in, and sadly the church helps stigmatize women on top of the daily abuses of navigating life as a woman. And God forbid that you were blessed with looks too. They will make you regret it. I'm clearly born in the wrong era. I am very sorry about your ordeal in childhood agentf. No child should ever have to endure sexual violence and no one indeed. Luckily this is all surfacing now making it harder for the predators to get away with it. Christianity was not designed for women at all. It was designed to keep women down, labelling them either virgins or whores and nothing in between, giving men permission to treat them like shit. Jesus had a good message, but it was twisted by power hungry popes. I was raised christian/lutheran myself, so I am not criticising any other religious group (but my own).
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Post by agentf on Jan 23, 2022 7:31:16 GMT -5
I agree that over time Jesus's message has suffered the vagaries of institutionalization by men who would love nothing more than to pigeon hole femaleness and female power when all it is really at the core is genderless. Fortunately for me I suppose, there's the matriarchal Iroquois current as well as my mom's old blood coursing through my veins - not that I consider myself particularly exceptional but rather, internally, I can stand my ground and try to weather stuff. Anyhow, the problem with religion is that it lacks... faith. That's very kind. Mine was processed years ago, thankfully and I was raised insanely tough. My hugest disappointment, or letdown, was ultimately the justice system who convicted on three counts in juvenile court, only for me 9 years later to find out by ordering transcripts - in order to free my mother from the legal guardianship of my aggressor - that 2 of 3 convictions had seemingly been turned into unconditional absolution and that my mother's cheque book had nevertheless been debited $10 000 which was the original amount my aggressor was supposed to give to charity as his sanction... To me, it meant my aggressor took $10k from my mother to pay off the judge. So you see, this is what's wrong with this female-loathing chauvinistic paternalistic system we find ourselves in, and sadly the church helps stigmatize women on top of the daily abuses of navigating life as a woman. And God forbid that you were blessed with looks too. They will make you regret it. I'm clearly born in the wrong era. Christianity was not designed for women at all. It was designed to keep women down, labelling them either virgins or whores and nothing in between, giving men permission to treat them like shit. Jesus had a good message, but it was twisted by power hungry popes. I was raised christian/lutheran myself, so I am not criticising any other religious group (but my own).
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Post by axelle on Feb 2, 2022 11:40:33 GMT -5
PA arrived in Beijing for the Games.
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Post by agentf on Feb 2, 2022 13:12:04 GMT -5
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Post by paca on Feb 2, 2022 13:50:01 GMT -5
I won't be watching. Most athletes are doped and China's politics are getting worse, not better. If you want the IOC to take different decisions, the only way is not to watch. Sorry that a German is leading it. I am also sorry for von der leyen leading the EU. Worst politician and worst sportsmanager and both german. What a disgrace. Add to that the disgraceful German pope, and we just don't seem to get the chance of ever not being ashamed for being German.
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Post by agentf on Feb 2, 2022 20:49:28 GMT -5
Sometimes I long for the few years I banned television from my walls in favour of art, and more art. I think mediatisation of every life moment and every political decision creates an artificial bubble that doesn't always bring out the best in people, and certainly deprives people of maturing one's thoughts. Ultimately, it robs the pleasure of personal connection, of wisdom and of setting their own pace. With all the media immediacy, humankind still fails and fails worse because it's thoughtless. It's all about the short-term satisfying soundbyte with no future. I digress. All this to say, we won't hear about the silent majority's good deeds - it's not newsworthy and sensational. What's done well passes like a breeze, where it's storms ambulance chasers crave. I won't be watching. Most athletes are doped and China's politics are getting worse, not better. If you want the IOC to take different decisions, the only way is not to watch. Sorry that a German is leading it. I am also sorry for von der leyen leading the EU. Worst politician and worst sportsmanager and both german. What a disgrace. Add to that the disgraceful German pope, and we just don't seem to get the chance of ever not being ashamed for being German.
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Post by donna on Feb 7, 2022 15:23:22 GMT -5
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