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Post by axelle on Jul 4, 2021 7:24:25 GMT -5
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Post by paca on Jul 4, 2021 9:56:57 GMT -5
well, some part of the article is rather scathing. Have to say though, that should she stay away, she will never be spoken about in MC again. She'll be wiped out of MC in no time. As if she never existed. Not sure if Albert really cares for her to come back. She is playing a risky game. He has gotten used to her blackmails and threats and no shows at the last minute and so has everyone else. Had she endeared herself to the people of MC, she would have had a much better hand to play. As things are she and her lot are seen as parasites. depending how things work out, people might even turn against her children. There is more empathy towards the Casiraghis IMO due to their story and Caros hard work.
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Post by agentf on Jul 4, 2021 12:40:21 GMT -5
One man had a theory that her stupid hairdo was proof she does care about Albert, (rather than evening the score with an expensive jewelry store visit). If that's the case, the woman's feelings are really locked down deep. This behaviour would be normal for a teenager, but after ten years of marriage...? And in that case, whose responsibility is it for her emotional blockage? Clearly this would go back far so it's a family issue, at best. I'm going to sound trite but: where's her mom?!?! What mother lets her child make an awkward spectacle of her pain? I can believe she's in pain. By now however if she and Albert don't communicate better than this, you have to wonder what they've been doing for ten years. But that she can't deal with her feelings is not his responsibility, though causing pain might be. Right now, he can't realistically do both - teach her and hurt her, it's perverse. She needs to rely on more than one person, if her competitiveness even allows it. Her sisters-in-law, her girlfriends, her support group etc. She needs to aerate her world. well, some part of the article is rather scathing. Have to say though, that should she stay away, she will never be spoken about in MC again. She'll be wiped out of MC in no time. As if she never existed. Not sure if Albert really cares for her to come back. She is playing a risky game. He has gotten used to her blackmails and threats and no shows at the last minute and so has everyone else. Had she endeared herself to the people of MC, she would have had a much better hand to play. As things are she and her lot are seen as parasites. depending how things work out, people might even turn against her children. There is more empathy towards the Casiraghis IMO due to their story and Caros hard work.
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Post by paca on Jul 6, 2021 15:54:19 GMT -5
lots of PR going on. Apparently she gave an interview. I suppose we can expect her to stay in SA for quite a while longer. I suppose the kids will be visiting her and there will be photo ops with Albert, but I wouldn't be surprised if after a few more month a seperation will happen. Not that there is much to seperate. I read somewhere that it lasted 10 years , but won't last 20... the court thing is happening in September, so she will definitely sit that out in SA. Should they seperate, my guess is that the kids will be put into a boarding school in the UK and she will move somewhere near there. Albert will probably get her a suitable house and her brother and his family will move with her to keep her company and because they are living of her marriage. Also I think the ultimate goal of the Wittstocks is the BRF and their only chance are the IVF twins and getting them into the circle of boarding schools that the BRF and their friends use. www.news24.com/channel/gossip/royal-news/princess-charlene-tells-us-as-she-recovers-in-sa-its-been-a-trying-time-for-me-20210706-2
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Post by agentf on Jul 7, 2021 17:10:36 GMT -5
I just saw the Daily Mail article. Well they wouldn't be the first keeping up appearances and at times, it's for the good of the children until things are resolved. I admire the creative leaps and bounds, but England? the BRF?... I think Nicole Coste lives there, no? I wouldn't plunk myself next door to another mother of his children unless I got along really very well with her. Mind you, that competitive streak and penchant for ambiguity of hers might work with your theory. I think Albert's sisters would probably not let happen the kids being sent to boarding school, it's the 21st century and unless the children were under any kind of threat - which they aren't - it's hardly necessary. This reminds me a bit about Princess Haya for some reason. It turns out she was not the first to step out on her marriage, and it came after a cruel person showed her video evidence - if rumours are to be believed. I"m sorry. Men like Albert, accustomed to women flogging themselves, may never change their stripes but their hearts break easier regardless, with time. They're one-trick ponies with women, unfortunately. They will mess up what they have, however imperfect here, out of knee-jerk habit. Then it's too late. Simple words for men to learn: "I am sorry". "I will regret it if you leave". "Nothing will ever be the same without you". Repeat. It's a start. lots of PR going on. Apparently she gave an interview. I suppose we can expect her to stay in SA for quite a while longer. I suppose the kids will be visiting her and there will be photo ops with Albert, but I wouldn't be surprised if after a few more month a seperation will happen. Not that there is much to seperate. I read somewhere that it lasted 10 years , but won't last 20... the court thing is happening in September, so she will definitely sit that out in SA. Should they seperate, my guess is that the kids will be put into a boarding school in the UK and she will move somewhere near there. Albert will probably get her a suitable house and her brother and his family will move with her to keep her company and because they are living of her marriage. Also I think the ultimate goal of the Wittstocks is the BRF and their only chance are the IVF twins and getting them into the circle of boarding schools that the BRF and their friends use. www.news24.com/channel/gossip/royal-news/princess-charlene-tells-us-as-she-recovers-in-sa-its-been-a-trying-time-for-me-20210706-2
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Post by paca on Jul 9, 2021 20:28:02 GMT -5
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Post by paca on Jul 9, 2021 20:40:11 GMT -5
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Post by agentf on Jul 10, 2021 5:42:41 GMT -5
Do you mean Courtepointe? It's a thing, it looks like, in Monaco. youtu.be/V9lCFrs_QMIMaybe she's trying to look patriotic...? My grandmother in the countryside did that and hosted a little club.
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Post by paca on Jul 10, 2021 6:48:29 GMT -5
nope, they are plain brown and beige blankets. By the looks of it she is putting the finishing edges on. You can buy them ready made in bulk, fairly cheap. to me it all looks like props. It is a PR stunt and basically there is nothing in it. Nothing to disprove a seperation. Only that she is not sitting out surgery gone wrong. There are no outward signs of any medical treatment having taken place, but then again no one knows when the pics are taken. I think it is supposed to show that she is busy doing sth useful, like blankets you can buy cheaply in bulk or saving rhinos. Nothing really justifying to stay away from her kids and MC that long. Her homecooked PR as always doesn't work.
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Post by axelle on Jul 10, 2021 8:21:22 GMT -5
This is pathetic if they think this is PR. Same old same old BS. I too have been looking for any outward signs of medical treatment and it only looks like she might have smashed her left index finger. Looks like a bruise on the nail.
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Post by paca on Jul 10, 2021 8:39:20 GMT -5
she is nail biting. You can tell on her rhino pics. there is not much left of her nails. Very unattractive. Pair that with her haircut and my guess is that she needs treatment badly. Who knows, maybe that is what she is getting there. Then again these days she would actually get symphathy, but in MC they are still deeply rooted in the 50s and the palace probably thinks a princess in treatment is a bad look. Beatrix handling Prince Claus is an example of how you can do it without generating bad press. Mette Marits various issues have been dealt with openly and it hasn't hurt them. Same with her Brother in laws suicide. Treating illness openly takes away the shame and humanizes. This pussyfooting around the issue makes them look ridiculous. Be open about it. Their problem is their vague statement. If it would have been specific, people would have stopped speculating.Obviously she does have a right to keep her medical issues private like everyone else, but if you do make a statement to take the pressure off, then make it precise and brief. Even if she had a serious illness, you can announce the name of the illness and say that she is undergoing the necessary treatment and ask for privacy, but this charade is drawing extra attention on their marriage. But maybe that is intended?
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Post by agentf on Jul 10, 2021 15:59:37 GMT -5
Yeah, her medical issues don't seem external. Let's hope she's getting whichever treatment necessary. Although as you say, Caroline has had major losses and has never overspilled into an uncontainable PR mess. And she did prioritize her children. A real steel magnolia 👌 she is nail biting. You can tell on her rhino pics. there is not much left of her nails. Very unattractive. Pair that with her haircut and my guess is that she needs treatment badly. Who knows, maybe that is what she is getting there. Then again these days she would actually get symphathy, but in MC they are still deeply rooted in the 50s and the palace probably thinks a princess in treatment is a bad look. Beatrix handling Prince Claus is an example of how you can do it without generating bad press. Mette Marits various issues have been dealt with openly and it hasn't hurt them. Same with her Brother in laws suicide. Treating illness openly takes away the shame and humanizes. This pussyfooting around the issue makes them look ridiculous. Be open about it. Their problem is their vague statement. If it would have been specific, people would have stopped speculating.Obviously she does have a right to keep her medical issues private like everyone else, but if you do make a statement to take the pressure off, then make it precise and brief. Even if she had a serious illness, you can announce the name of the illness and say that she is undergoing the necessary treatment and ask for privacy, but this charade is drawing extra attention on their marriage. But maybe that is intended?
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Post by paca on Jul 10, 2021 18:34:31 GMT -5
well, the thing is, with their PR stunts, they are muddying the water. Even if she isn't getting treatment, they would be better off being open about it. There is no shame in being ill and there is no shame in seperating. There is shame in pretending and hiding. And so what if they are seperating and people saying I told you so. Even with normal people you have couples that are set to fail from the start. And then there are those that are the perfect fit for each other against the odds. Look at willem and Maxima, Mette marit and Haakon or Victoria and Daniel. They all had to overcome obstacles from the beginning, but in the end they found a way and came out stronger. So what ever it is, honesty would help. Especially since there are young children involved. Frankly I would wish for Caroline to intervene for the childrens sake. She knows how to navigate a family in difficult times in public view. Take advice from someone who had to go through it twice because it was her fate. Even if Charlene doesn't get on with Caro, at least she can acknowledge that she knows how to get through it with dignity and grace and remaining true to herself. And look at her children and their relationships with their partners and even those inlaws. they all manage to get along and evenbe friends. Caro is still in touch with her stepchildren and so are her children. They seem to have better relations with her then with their own father. And they would have had reason to carry a grudge or at least it could have been understood. But she handled things well and thus allowed her daughter to have a relationship with her half brothers, despite being so much younger and growing up apart. Without Caro having some serious glue quality, I don't think that would have been possible. There was great potential for becoming a dysfunctional family and yet they turned out close knit and supportive of each other. No quarreling or rivalry. Acceptance and support and a lot of space to be themselves. And all the childrens and grandchildrens families accepted in the fold for the childrens sake. And it all started with Caro and her way of going about things. She did it for her children and thus paved the way and taught by example. The best gift she could give them. And they seem to appreciate it. They have no need to constantly talk about the love for their mother, they are showing it through the way they live their lives and how they interact with her. And I am sure they have lots of love for their respective fathers. Never have I heard the Casiraghis bemoan the loss of their father, the way Harry and Will did, although both death were very public and worldwide news. Stefanos death was even filmed and helicopters circled over the palace to catch a glimpse of a mourning Caro and her children. So very similar fate and a very different outcome. And all the time Caro fullfilled her duty to her children, her family and her country. And so do her children. All of them show up when needed and none of them ever gave the impression that it was a chore to them. And to my knowledge they don't get paid for it. They are aware of their priviledge and that they need to give back one way or the other. And they do. And they manage to keep their private live private while in the public eye. Plus they seem to be able to handle the paps. Just going on with their lives. I really think that there is a lot to learn from Caro and Charlene and her lot should take advantage of having her close by. That woman has a lot to give and she seems to be generous and moving past grudges for the greater good.
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Post by agentf on Jul 11, 2021 10:46:56 GMT -5
Albert and Caroline are not a package deal though. I hear what you're saying but you don't get for example Charles & Anne as an inseparable pair or power-sharing duo either. Caroline if anything deserves a break from drama, not more. And a successful family is in the eye of the beholder though the Casiraghis are indeed fabulous, but some people may still consider other family models, with less tragedy. Let's not forget Caro has become who she is that we admire but by trial and error too. It's not because the women in that family grab more public fascination that it's not been a handicap to a degree for Albert to surmount. Not aided by the fact his choice of mate has been of no help with maintaining family unity, political capital etc but rather has been like a messy diaper at his side. It's not the optics anyone wants for their image or work-home balance. well, the thing is, with their PR stunts, they are muddying the water. Even if she isn't getting treatment, they would be better off being open about it. There is no shame in being ill and there is no shame in seperating. There is shame in pretending and hiding. And so what if they are seperating and people saying I told you so. Even with normal people you have couples that are set to fail from the start. And then there are those that are the perfect fit for each other against the odds. Look at willem and Maxima, Mette marit and Haakon or Victoria and Daniel. They all had to overcome obstacles from the beginning, but in the end they found a way and came out stronger. So what ever it is, honesty would help. Especially since there are young children involved. Frankly I would wish for Caroline to intervene for the childrens sake. She knows how to navigate a family in difficult times in public view. Take advice from someone who had to go through it twice because it was her fate. Even if Charlene doesn't get on with Caro, at least she can acknowledge that she knows how to get through it with dignity and grace and remaining true to herself. And look at her children and their relationships with their partners and even those inlaws. they all manage to get along and evenbe friends. Caro is still in touch with her stepchildren and so are her children. They seem to have better relations with her then with their own father. And they would have had reason to carry a grudge or at least it could have been understood. But she handled things well and thus allowed her daughter to have a relationship with her half brothers, despite being so much younger and growing up apart. Without Caro having some serious glue quality, I don't think that would have been possible. There was great potential for becoming a dysfunctional family and yet they turned out close knit and supportive of each other. No quarreling or rivalry. Acceptance and support and a lot of space to be themselves. And all the childrens and grandchildrens families accepted in the fold for the childrens sake. And it all started with Caro and her way of going about things. She did it for her children and thus paved the way and taught by example. The best gift she could give them. And they seem to appreciate it. They have no need to constantly talk about the love for their mother, they are showing it through the way they live their lives and how they interact with her. And I am sure they have lots of love for their respective fathers. Never have I heard the Casiraghis bemoan the loss of their father, the way Harry and Will did, although both death were very public and worldwide news. Stefanos death was even filmed and helicopters circled over the palace to catch a glimpse of a mourning Caro and her children. So very similar fate and a very different outcome. And all the time Caro fullfilled her duty to her children, her family and her country. And so do her children. All of them show up when needed and none of them ever gave the impression that it was a chore to them. And to my knowledge they don't get paid for it. They are aware of their priviledge and that they need to give back one way or the other. And they do. And they manage to keep their private live private while in the public eye. Plus they seem to be able to handle the paps. Just going on with their lives. I really think that there is a lot to learn from Caro and Charlene and her lot should take advantage of having her close by. That woman has a lot to give and she seems to be generous and moving past grudges for the greater good.
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Post by paca on Jul 15, 2021 3:50:57 GMT -5
the first papers are starting to report, that Albert is preparing the divorce. It does make sense. Maybe they want everything settled before announcing. Then again there is a marriage contract, so it should be easy. Of course it was thrown in that she found parenting twins difficult. This marriage has always been about heirs not love. It has always been clear that the children will remain in MC, so there is no need for this kind of smearing. And I am sure that she will remain in their lives. She is their mother and the kids love her. I am sure she will get a place in SA and a place near MC to facilitate visitation. Maybe Nicoles old place. And as I said before, eventually the kids will attend boarding school and she might move near there. I don't think she will get to keep the title, so she might need to rename her foundation, if she gets to keep it....
btw her former fan magazine Bunte is running the coverstory with the divorce...
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Post by agentf on Jul 15, 2021 14:40:35 GMT -5
Heirs were probably the lemonade out of lemons. Some people's stories start backwards : you take vows, have twins and then you're ultimately happy. Much of our notions have imploded in... I'd say the last few decades, and your life doesn't always follow a prefab script. Some couples or parents end up getting along better after an intense period of time is over. You never know what life has in store for you. CC may not feel connected yet to her children. I'm no shrink, but I've seen with my mother and others how there is a season of filial bliss in everyone's life. I'm reading Bruce Springsteen's biography at the moment. One chapter about his dad is so revealing of not only that bond but others, and it's blindingly beautiful; from his grandmother whose heart stopped at the loss of her baby girl until the full circle of life when Springsteen's baby sister was compelled to leave her crib to snuggle with her grandmother who chose that perfect moment of being reunited, to depart. Some hearts wait a very long time for love to beat again through their veins, but they know it comes around again. As a mother she will know innately when they will need her, it will have nothing to do with the day to day drudgery. I'm sorry, I went off on a tangent. Whatever happens, it will be their story. the first papers are starting to report, that Albert is preparing the divorce. It does make sense. Maybe they want everything settled before announcing. Then again there is a marriage contract, so it should be easy. Of course it was thrown in that she found parenting twins difficult. This marriage has always been about heirs not love. It has always been clear that the children will remain in MC, so there is no need for this kind of smearing. And I am sure that she will remain in their lives. She is their mother and the kids love her. I am sure she will get a place in SA and a place near MC to facilitate visitation. Maybe Nicoles old place. And as I said before, eventually the kids will attend boarding school and she might move near there. I don't think she will get to keep the title, so she might need to rename her foundation, if she gets to keep it.... btw her former fan magazine Bunte is running the coverstory with the divorce...
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Post by paca on Jul 15, 2021 15:29:49 GMT -5
I don't get why the papers have to take one sentence she said to smear her as a mother. She seems to have a bond with the kids. How strong it is, only time will tell. Yes, it is winging when you have a load of nannies tending to your kids and complain how hard you find parenting. Then again it all depends on tone and context and could also be said in respect to those who are less priviledged. Unfortunetely reporters pick and chose quotes to fit their story and then get requoted without context. The divorce story does make sense, but I don't see the need to judge her as a mother. She has many flaws and she doesn't fit her role, but maybe by divorcing she can provide her children with sth else. With Albert they will always be in public, but if they divorce, she can stay away from the public view which she seems to loath and offer her children a space where they can be private and be themselves without anyone judging or gossiping about it. It might even make them stronger and more stable. I just wish they would use them less for PR. But then again even Kate and will use their kids for PR to distract from bad news. Still, I find it regrettable.
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Post by paca on Jul 16, 2021 6:15:53 GMT -5
She could have saved herself a lot of negative press, if she had been straight from the start. I am sure some plastic surgery was in it as well, but I find this a credible explanation. Obviously that doesn`t mean that there can't be difficulties in the marriage, but it certainly puts Albert in the negative for not making the effort, which he never seems to do albeit having the means. The change of strategy PR wise is IMO a much better choice. We all know that she had surgery and we also know why. Being more honest and authentic could actually win her symphathy. If she would put MC closer to her heart,she might actually be accepted there. Learn Monegasque and French and get involved in MC, show you care and people may change their minds. Anyways, explaining her illness is a good first step www.vip.de/cms/fuerstin-charlene-von-monaco-warum-sie-immer-noch-in-suedafrika-ist-4797158.html
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Post by agentf on Jul 16, 2021 7:25:49 GMT -5
I just think she's missing an opportunity to use the current media coverage to draw attention for example to SA food insecurity that's fuelling violence there, if she choses to remain in the middle of it. Otherwise, her rich white wife problems smack of cultural insensitivity. She could have saved herself a lot of negative press, if she had been straight from the start. I am sure some plastic surgery was in it as well, but I find this a credible explanation. Obviously that doesn`t mean that there can't be difficulties in the marriage, but it certainly puts Albert in the negative for not making the effort, which he never seems to do albeit having the means. The change of strategy PR wise is IMO a much better choice. We all know that she had surgery and we also know why. Being more honest and authentic could actually win her symphathy. If she would put MC closer to her heart,she might actually be accepted there. Learn Monegasque and French and get involved in MC, show you care and people may change their minds. Anyways, explaining her illness is a good first step www.vip.de/cms/fuerstin-charlene-von-monaco-warum-sie-immer-noch-in-suedafrika-ist-4797158.html
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Post by paca on Jul 16, 2021 10:41:42 GMT -5
yes, that is true. Also remember that on their "honeymoon" she met Zuma. Anyways IMO what happens there now is due to Mandela selling out his people, so that the rich white guys could remain rich white guys and some black guys could become rich black guys. I just mentioned to someone that the wall came down, but we still have a wall. And problems we have are to a large degree due to that, though also because more than 70 years ago an Austrian failed white male painter usurped this country and not enough people were properly punished for what they did. While those who faught him were still in captivity, the Nazis climbed back into their seats everywhere to continue to spread their venom. Given those timelines, women will never live to see equality. I do love that Jamaica wants reparation for slave trade. And yes, I think that those who benefitted should pay to those who suffered or their heirs respectively. Guess a lot of rich people in the UK and US would end up a lot less rich....
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