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Post by margarita on Jan 13, 2022 18:00:38 GMT -5
I find it rather irresponsible of them to insinuate that she is suicidal. She has kids, they can read and they have access to computers. We don't know how they are supervised on them, but you know kids and they know that there are things online about their parents. They have friends and schoolmates who talk and I know by experience that they are being discussed in homes, schools etc. SO so called journalists have an extra responsibility about what they are putting out there. For the kids sake and general decency. So should we. Maybe by not posting clickbait links on the board. I have seen articles and have not posted the links, because I found them irrelevant and pure tea leaf reading. NOne of them are helpful in anything. So maybe before posting these sort of links, think about whether you would want your kids to read articles like that about you. Fictional articles, but none the less harmful. I think we can discuss here without sinking as low as those who are making millions on lies. And they also have the right to keep some things private. Although I recommend getting everything out in the open in private. Family secrets tend to be more harmful then the actual reason for the secret. If you know what is going on, you can deal with it, get explanations etc. BUt secrets are surrounded with lies, half truths, guilt etc. Difficult to battle with ghosts. BTW anyone ever consider that she was a refugee as a child and has experienced trauma that has resurfaced? Somehow I don't see the Wittstocks thinking much about that. Especially when they had to build a new life to feed the kids. I know from the WW2 generation, that the trauma doesn't leave you. You deal with it, and you function well when young, but it comes back as you get older. And lets not forget that she is also menopausal. So this might just be a perfect storm with many things coming together. Paca I agree on that "journalists" should think before writing and media should think twice what to publish. And -yes- we have a certain responsibility for which links to share and post. But IF the kids are reading here (which I doubt) they are checking google as well. I was just a little bit shocked and hope this is not true. I don't like her but that would be tragic.
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Post by paca on Jan 13, 2022 18:07:17 GMT -5
Well, different times, but if you marry into institutions that have existed for centuries or are thriving to do so (with Norway and Belgium being still pretty young RFs), you will have to be prepared to be sacrificied for the greater good. And I have no doubt that Albert will sacrifice CW, should his or his childrens position be at stake. After all there were heirs to the MC throne, so not really a need to father his own "grandchildren". He could have continued his life, recognized his out of wedlock children and left the succession to his nephew. That he did not do that tells us a lot about Albert. He wanted heirs of his own, even if he didn't live long enough to be properly educated and grown into the role. This means that he is way more traditional and into the dynasty thinking then people realize. He is not as feared or respected as his father, but he will put up a fight for his position. And I believe that now that he is a "real" father he is more prepared to do so then ever before. I find it very interesting how he is putting more women in leading positions and also honoring them in public places. he seems to be way more successful in that area than in cleaning MCs image as a haven for tax evaders. There is a plan there and I believe it has to do with what he wants to leave behind for his children. Taking MC into the modern world. He also knows that he doesn't have a lot of time, so regardless of how things are going privately in the marriage, if this situation threatens him or the children, he will throw her under the bus, but possibly take care of her in private. And she needs to be prepared for this. As long as she doesn't understand, that where people count in centuries the indivudual has little considereation, she will always have a problem. As a mother of the heirs, she already has her place in MC history, but she has to decide on how she wants to elaborate on that role.
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Post by margarita on Jan 13, 2022 18:32:11 GMT -5
Agree paca.
What I still find difficult to understand: Charlene never liked MC or the role. Would it be so hard for her to divorce with the role and settle near Monaco? If she loves Albert and he loves her then even staying a couple would be an option. (For the public it would look like - he sets her free for love. Oh - there is real love! They are still or again together!) After all they are used to live in different places as a married couple so nothing would change.
And even if they would't stay a couple it does not mean that she would loose the kids. How much does she have to say now? I mean not now that she is in treatment but before she went to Africa? I think the main decisions about their upbringing were and are taken by Albert. Married or not - I doubt she has much to say. She can play with them and spent time. But she could spend the same amount of time with them even being divorced.
So - what does she have to loose? Well - except of the Wittstock parasites?
I might not see or consider any aspect - but I see a lot she could win.
She has all options. Depending on how the therapy works out and how they decide as a couple to continue.
But even the "worst case" divorce does not mean total catastrophy.
And if Albert would really file for divorce it does not nessesarily mean throwing her under the bus.
Again: she never liked the role or was up to it. They might find a face saving explanation for the public. So Charlene wouldn't see her image destroyed.
And thats something thats important for her. So having no obligations but being free to save rhinos and give swimming lessons while not having to care how to pay bills sounds like quite a good option.
But if she decides to stay POM she would have to understand that she needs to work. And live with all the difficult aspects of that role.
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Post by agentf on Jan 13, 2022 19:27:47 GMT -5
You describe how they were already living, he at the palace and her outside Monaco, etc. Secondly, no tabloids have spoken about divorce (unless I missed a headline). Lastly, what image?! Setting people free reminds me btw of π© Lisa Bonet and Jason Mamoa who disappointingly also fathered a lovechild due next month. Lisa Bonet was with him since 2005, and they have two children. I always thought he was so in love with her. Dog. Agree paca. What I still find difficult to understand: Charlene never liked MC or the role. Would it be so hard for her to divorce with the role and settle near Monaco? If she loves Albert and he loves her then even staying a couple would be an option. (For the public it would look like - he sets her free for love. Oh - there is real love! They are still or again together!) After all they are used to live in different places as a married couple so nothing would change. And even if they would't stay a couple it does not mean that she would loose the kids. How much does she have to say now? I mean not now that she is in treatment but before she went to Africa? I think the main decisions about their upbringing were and are taken by Albert. Married or not - I doubt she has much to say. She can play with them and spent time. But she could spend the same amount of time with them even being divorced. So - what does she have to loose? Well - except of the Wittstock parasites? I might not see or consider any aspect - but I see a lot she could win. She has all options. Depending on how the therapy works out and how they decide as a couple to continue. But even the "worst case" divorce does not mean total catastrophy. And if Albert would really file for divorce it does not nessesarily mean throwing her under the bus. Again: she never liked the role or was up to it. They might find a face saving explanation for the public. So Charlene wouldn't see her image destroyed. And thats something thats important for her. So having no obligations but being free to save rhinos and give swimming lessons while not having to care how to pay bills sounds like quite a good option. But if she decides to stay POM she would have to understand that she needs to work. And live with all the difficult aspects of that role.
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Post by margarita on Jan 14, 2022 12:53:08 GMT -5
No, there are no fresh "divorce headlines". I just tried to analize what it would mean for her if Albert really "throws her under the bus" in case she would become a danger to him or the kids. I guess paca had in mind "divorce", not?
But the worst scenario would be not the end - that's what I was trying to say.
The worst thing would be not to get healty again. Thats what should be the main goal.
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Post by agentf on Jan 14, 2022 19:03:18 GMT -5
I find we tend to explore dark corners on behalf of others too much. Who needs more wrong ideas planted into people's minds, really. It contributes to dramatization. I'm making a mental note to myself. Though there are tons of things that get brushed under the proverbial rug and deserve exposure to balance the scales, getting ahead of tragedy is a double-edged sword. No, there are no fresh "divorce headlines". I just tried to analize what it would mean for her if Albert really "throws her under the bus" in case she would become a danger to him or the kids. I guess paca had in mind "divorce", not? But the worst scenario would be not the end - that's what I was trying to say. The worst thing would be not to get healty again. Thats what should be the main goal.
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Post by paca on Jan 24, 2022 7:50:50 GMT -5
apparently Andrea has been seen with the twins in KΓΌsnacht. Unlike his uncle he went by car. www.vip.de/cms/charlene-von-monaco-holt-ihr-neffe-andrea-casiraghi-sie-zurueck-nach-monaco-4905476.htmlseems like she is getting to see her kids more often. Possibly every weekend. Maybe family members taking turns in taking them? Different people visiting her, maybe also talking to doctors and giving their side of things so the doctors can get a clearer picture of what went on and what needs to change? If really all the family works together on this, then I think that everyone can benefit. At least they seem to be trying.
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Post by agentf on Jan 24, 2022 14:22:33 GMT -5
That's super nice of Andrea. It's probably less stressful too if the twins traveled with their cousins, making it almost like a leisure trip. No doubt Andrea knows the country well too, and kudos for the low emissions ππΌ apparently Andrea has been seen with the twins in KΓΌsnacht. Unlike his uncle he went by car. www.vip.de/cms/charlene-von-monaco-holt-ihr-neffe-andrea-casiraghi-sie-zurueck-nach-monaco-4905476.htmlseems like she is getting to see her kids more often. Possibly every weekend. Maybe family members taking turns in taking them? Different people visiting her, maybe also talking to doctors and giving their side of things so the doctors can get a clearer picture of what went on and what needs to change? If really all the family works together on this, then I think that everyone can benefit. At least they seem to be trying.
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Post by agentf on Jan 25, 2022 7:36:50 GMT -5
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Post by axelle on Jan 25, 2022 8:19:20 GMT -5
Kudos to Andrea I agree Paca having the family support her is very important. They have stepped up during this ordeal and good on them!!
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Post by paca on Jan 25, 2022 11:07:20 GMT -5
Given that they were seen on Saturday and it was Caros birthday on Sunday, I don't think they stayed until today. I suspect that gifts were handed over ahead of her birthday and they will facetime on the day. they had xmas early as well. I think it is also a lesson to her that yes people think about her, but she is not the center of everything, so has to adapt to the fact that in a large family with public responsibilities you have to compromise.
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Post by paca on Jan 25, 2022 11:15:34 GMT -5
btw anyone else find it weird that her foundation aka CHantell posts a message for her birthday? The language of the message is also rather stilted, trying to sound educated when you are not, and it should have been made clear that it is staff aka SA family posting not her. Also they used to refer to her as serene highness etc. being way more formal when speaking of her. Nothing on Chantells personal account and other relations posting on IG. That makes her reposting even more bizarre. As if she is congratulating herself on her BD, because no one else is. I am sure she will received plenty of behind the scenes wishes and gifts, but apparently if it doesn't happe on social media, it doesn't happen. Take that phone off her and change the passwords until she is truly back. There is no need for this. Regardless if she posted this herself or Chantell on her behalf. As long as she is away, she should be offline too.
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Post by agentf on Jan 25, 2022 11:23:28 GMT -5
I wonder if Caro may be in Switzerland for their usual winter ski trip? Also, Andrea's mother in law is there too, if memory serves. In any event, whether you celebrate ahead on a convenient weekend day, the children would still have kept her company so not "alone" alone. Given that they were seen on Saturday and it was Caros birthday on Sunday, I don't think they stayed until today. I suspect that gifts were handed over ahead of her birthday and they will facetime on the day. they had xmas early as well. I think it is also a lesson to her that yes people think about her, but she is not the center of everything, so has to adapt to the fact that in a large family with public responsibilities you have to compromise.
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Post by paca on Jan 25, 2022 17:07:32 GMT -5
I don't think it is school holidays yet. That is when she used to take the kids and I am assuming that she would gather everyone with the grandkids too.
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Post by paca on Jan 27, 2022 15:47:02 GMT -5
So she celebrated her birthday alone and she was a no show for St Devote. As I assumed against the clickbait sites. Anyways the palace has given an update on her health, first stating that she will not participate in ST Devote celebrations and that her dental treatment as well as other treatments continue. For some reason they are speaking of weeks. I am guessing that they are hoping to stabilize her enough for her to continue as outpatient. She can probably do some of her treatment via zoom and travel regularly or continue in MC as an out patient. My guess though is that they will set up sth with her current therapists. That way she can return if need be. Since she is getting private treatment, her therapist could even travel with her for a couple of weeks to help her settling in or seeing her in her home environment. That could be very helpful for the therapist to see how everyone functions in their normal environment. Anyways I think that she won't be home before March. Maybe she will be back for her husbands birthday?
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Post by paca on Jan 27, 2022 15:48:51 GMT -5
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Post by agentf on Jan 27, 2022 19:15:33 GMT -5
Not at this rate, I'm afraid; Nicole Coste who Albert chastised for the Paris Match interview, was at Ste-Devote... Does he do it on purpose or what? π€ www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-10447641/Prince-Albert-Monaco-attends-St-Devote-Day-cathedral-service-alongside-former-mistress.html#article-10447641So she celebrated her birthday alone and she was a no show for St Devote. As I assumed against the clickbait sites. Anyways the palace has given an update on her health, first stating that she will not participate in ST Devote celebrations and that her dental treatment as well as other treatments continue. For some reason they are speaking of weeks. I am guessing that they are hoping to stabilize her enough for her to continue as outpatient. She can probably do some of her treatment via zoom and travel regularly or continue in MC as an out patient. My guess though is that they will set up sth with her current therapists. That way she can return if need be. Since she is getting private treatment, her therapist could even travel with her for a couple of weeks to help her settling in or seeing her in her home environment. That could be very helpful for the therapist to see how everyone functions in their normal environment. Anyways I think that she won't be home before March. Maybe she will be back for her husbands birthday?
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Post by paca on Jan 27, 2022 20:20:19 GMT -5
Well, she wasn't sitting with the family and unlike NH, St devote is open to the public. The church is also not as crowded as on NH. It is interesting that so many family members were present. While Rainier was alive it was usually just Albert and Rainier attending the service, also usually just on 2 chairs front row rather than in their usual places during the tedeum service on NH. So there is nothing Albert could do to prevent her from attending. I think Nicole is driving her own agenda. She looks like she stole CWs clothes and dyed her hair blonde. I think she is pushing it too much and will probably be put in her place soon enough. Her son is an adult. There is no need for ALbert to continue to support her too. She gets tagged along and dined and wined because ALbert has not frozen out people who associate with her. If he does, no one in MC would associate with her. ANd he might have to. CW needs to learn to deal with her presence, but Albert also needs to put her in her place. Albert said that he will protect his family. But Nicole needs to remember that CW is the mother of the legitimate heirs and they need her. If having a relationship with his son will endanger the well being of his heirs, because his mother keeps playing games, he might limit that relationship. Nicole is playing a dangerous game. She lost her elder children, because of the games she played with Albert. SHe might lose her last son, because she can't help herself. Nicole might think she has a foot in the palace because Steph is her sons godmother. She shouldn't forget that she did that for her son, not for her. Caro is also very good at freezing out the mothers. Remember that Chantal was a good friend of hers until she snatched Ernst August? She still has a good relationship with his sons (apparently a better one than he has), but Chantal has never been pictured with her again, despite both attending family events. I think that Nicole could end up the same way. And lets not forget that Caro has apparently taken the children under her wing. I really like to see Nicole trying to get past her.
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Post by agentf on Jan 28, 2022 7:14:29 GMT -5
True about the blonde hair and wardrobe. It went over my head at first, but you're right and it's creepy. I'll add that if Caro makes CC insecure, taking the children under her wing may not be welcomed and might exacerbate matters. Unless of course, they're past that already and the disclosures have yet to catch up. Personally, I'd feel defeated if I was being replaced when the bond to my children was what was keeping me going. They should maybe rotate guardians imo. No offense to Caro's good intentions and parenting skills. But why drive someone nuts? Anecdotal warning: I came home as a child and my mom and others were detangling my Chrissy doll's pony tail. I had a fit, only because of the hypocrisy of my mom who at the time was a raging menopausal monster, pretending to be all hands on deck for my favourite creature in front of everyone while being beastly to me when no one was around. Then of course, I was also being deprived of my doll which I needed for coping as it was. I see a parallel here, sorry. Well, she wasn't sitting with the family and unlike NH, St devote is open to the public. The church is also not as crowded as on NH. It is interesting that so many family members were present. While Rainier was alive it was usually just Albert and Rainier attending the service, also usually just on 2 chairs front row rather than in their usual places during the tedeum service on NH. So there is nothing Albert could do to prevent her from attending. I think Nicole is driving her own agenda. She looks like she stole CWs clothes and dyed her hair blonde. I think she is pushing it too much and will probably be put in her place soon enough. Her son is an adult. There is no need for ALbert to continue to support her too. She gets tagged along and dined and wined because ALbert has not frozen out people who associate with her. If he does, no one in MC would associate with her. ANd he might have to. CW needs to learn to deal with her presence, but Albert also needs to put her in her place. Albert said that he will protect his family. But Nicole needs to remember that CW is the mother of the legitimate heirs and they need her. If having a relationship with his son will endanger the well being of his heirs, because his mother keeps playing games, he might limit that relationship. Nicole is playing a dangerous game. She lost her elder children, because of the games she played with Albert. SHe might lose her last son, because she can't help herself. Nicole might think she has a foot in the palace because Steph is her sons godmother. She shouldn't forget that she did that for her son, not for her. Caro is also very good at freezing out the mothers. Remember that Chantal was a good friend of hers until she snatched Ernst August? She still has a good relationship with his sons (apparently a better one than he has), but Chantal has never been pictured with her again, despite both attending family events. I think that Nicole could end up the same way. And lets not forget that Caro has apparently taken the children under her wing. I really like to see Nicole trying to get past her.
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Post by paca on Jan 28, 2022 14:15:19 GMT -5
Well, reposting a video from your own foundation is pretty creepy too. No other social media account has posted anything about her birthday. I mean official ones. But also chantells private account did not post anything. I didn#t check the brothers account though. Anyways, I don't think that Caro or any of the Grimaldi blood relations are trying to replace her. They are stepping up for her and they have been making a point of including her blood relations to bring that point across. If it would have been only grimaldis, one could have argued the point, but her family was at NH and other occasions as their personal social media shows as well as indepedent press. The only one who is pushing herself on MC and Albert seems to be an ill advised Nicole. Also regardless how CW feels about Caro, there have been pics of Caro mucking about with the twins on NH from way back, that show that she has for years behind the scenes enjoyed a good relationship with them. Caro, as I have said, has always been able to seperate the children from their parents 't mean it in a bad way, but rather not blaming the children for their parents actions or words) and treat them as independent people. And it seems to be working well. Also I think that CW knows that Caro has been very protective of her own children, so she will be able to count on her protecting her twins. Also she is a very likely ally when it comes to putting Nicole in her place. And what ALbert may not do, Caro can do. I think that Caro would support putting Nicole in her place and preserving Alberts relationship with his sons. Nicole sould better watch out. Albert and Cw, each for their own reasons, may not be able to handle her and keep her at bay, but if Caro perceives her as a threat to the legal heirs, she will mop the floor with her. And Caro has enough influence at her hands in MC, but also in Paris, London etc. that will make Nicole and those egging her on persona non grata. And to my knowledge Nicole has never attended ST devote Mass before. So she is trying to send a message. Especially entering vis tha main entrance and making it a point to be seen. Btw the mass is followed by a proceesion to ST devote church via the palace, hence the balcony pics. I wonder if Jacques cross image was in response to spotting Nicole down in the crowd. If she participated in that part of the celebrations. Anyways I think that CW has already hinted during her stay in SA that she is not opposed to Caro etc taking her children under their wings. in the end, you want your kids to get as much love and cuddles as they need and if you can't be there to give that, it is good that they have others that are save to do so. And as it seems the kids are taking it in from every one in their family and seem to enjoy that. I think it has brought them closer to all their family. It gives them strength now and later as well. to be able to form strong bonds with their wider family at this age will carry on throughout their lives. With a granddad dad and a fragile mother they will have strong emotional support later on in life from their cousins and their children. And they will need it. So lets see the positive aspects of this mess.
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