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Post by paca on Mar 3, 2022 19:21:48 GMT -5
well, that is her main problem: wishful thinking. If she would have been realistic, she would have realized that she does not have what it takes to be a princess. Alas, she wished/thought otherwise. Her problem has been and remains her complete misunderstanding of her role. That is why we always said that she needed education. Her unwillingness or incapability to learn is in her way. If she does not want or can't change that, she needs to turn to a life where intelligence is not required. Btw. her days on oligarch yachts off the coast of Turkey are over for quite some time I guess...
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Post by agentf on Mar 3, 2022 19:48:12 GMT -5
It's shocking how so many people today arrive at certain positions, meritless, and try to wing it. It's a product of New Age maybe, of visualizing being in a role, with total disregard for what it entails. Then it becomes a question of passing the buck, I guess. In Albert's case, what should have been a sharing the duties has ended up being the carrying the load for two with the added sideshow of a capricious no.2. I don't envy him. well, that is her main problem: wishful thinking. If she would have been realistic, she would have realized that she does not have what it takes to be a princess. Alas, she wished/thought otherwise. Her problem has been and remains her complete misunderstanding of her role. That is why we always said that she needed education. Her unwillingness or incapability to learn is in her way. If she does not want or can't change that, she needs to turn to a life where intelligence is not required. Btw. her days on oligarch yachts off the coast of Turkey are over for quite some time I guess...
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Post by paca on Mar 4, 2022 4:36:29 GMT -5
well, and then there is Zelensky, who shows how you cango from being a joke and not taken seriously toone of the most respected politicians. Maybe we wouldn't be at this point, had he been taken more seriously from the start, but it shows that an intelligent person, surrounded by good advisers can grow into the role. WHen ALbert ascended, there was also a moment where you could see live on TV how he changed from play prince to head of state. Unfortunetely he never fully fitted the role and there are still a lot of things he doesn't get, like supporting Ukraine and then going to watch kitted out with fan gear, an oligarch owned club. He might want to think of buying it back or forcing the russian killer to sell. Not a good look for MC and the entire MC royal family cheerleeding. Even the next generation.
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Post by agentf on Mar 4, 2022 10:10:51 GMT -5
I think Monaco has nostalgia for tsarist Russia and has foggy eyesight, maybe. I'm incensed this morning at the delays in helping Ukrainians though it's been 8 days. China is asking everyone to safeguard power plants and avoid meltdowns, ππΌ. There's a rumour that drones previously purchased from Turkey have been most useful. Who will it take to break from the paralysis to go in before Ukraine is a hole in the ground? I try not to inflame the rhetoric but even I - with no stake in this at all - have been having fits of tears the last two days. I can't imagine being on the ground there. We will never know the truth of what's going on behind the scenes, among politicians and greedy, cynic, bloodthirsty f'g bastard powerbrokers but it's them and not the people on the ground being bombarded, who have done this. They should be hunted. well, and then there is Zelensky, who shows how you cango from being a joke and not taken seriously toone of the most respected politicians. Maybe we wouldn't be at this point, had he been taken more seriously from the start, but it shows that an intelligent person, surrounded by good advisers can grow into the role. WHen ALbert ascended, there was also a moment where you could see live on TV how he changed from play prince to head of state. Unfortunetely he never fully fitted the role and there are still a lot of things he doesn't get, like supporting Ukraine and then going to watch kitted out with fan gear, an oligarch owned club. He might want to think of buying it back or forcing the russian killer to sell. Not a good look for MC and the entire MC royal family cheerleeding. Even the next generation.
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Post by donna on Mar 7, 2022 15:18:18 GMT -5
well, and then there is Zelensky, who shows how you cango from being a joke and not taken seriously toone of the most respected politicians. Maybe we wouldn't be at this point, had he been taken more seriously from the start, but it shows that an intelligent person, surrounded by good advisers can grow into the role. WHen ALbert ascended, there was also a moment where you could see live on TV how he changed from play prince to head of state. Unfortunetely he never fully fitted the role and there are still a lot of things he doesn't get, like supporting Ukraine and then going to watch kitted out with fan gear, an oligarch owned club. He might want to think of buying it back or forcing the russian killer to sell. Not a good look for MC and the entire MC royal family cheerleeding. Even the next generation. I don't respect Zelensky because he looks very fake to me. Also I think Albert is playing well while not supporting the Ukrainian government in their stubborness to side with Nato and the US. There is a lot people don't know. Not all info is on the table. And in hindsight, when finally the US has stopped being the super aggressive bully it is now, then maybe we can stop being codependent with the US and see the real truth. As of now, the truth is twisted. We are being played, as with the war in Irak, Afghanistan etc. Now years later we know there weren't any chemical weapons in Irak despite all Western media clearly stating that there were. And many more examples. Why should things be any different now? I refuse to be played anymore.
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Post by agentf on Mar 7, 2022 15:48:02 GMT -5
Btw, we can toss the Naomi Campbell oligarch ex shacked up with CC in Switzerland rumour. He's apparently involved with Venus Williams, the tennis player. donna There are weird dynamics at play for sure. At the ICJ, Russia bailed on explaining its excuse of "genocide" for invading Ukraine. About as much of that as WMD before. The ones benefitting are the lenders and the arms dealers. I'm still keeping a candle on, still praying π
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Post by agentf on Mar 9, 2022 9:51:38 GMT -5
It seems I was wrong and not just lenders and arms dealers are benefitting from the war in Ukraine. Mideast oil producers with 80% of their foreign investments in Russia also have an interest, if they're not altogether among the architects of this war due to their predilection for blood which they want absolved in exchange for siding with Ukraine. Btw, we can toss the Naomi Campbell oligarch ex shacked up with CC in Switzerland rumour. He's apparently involved with Venus Williams, the tennis player. donna There are weird dynamics at play for sure. At the ICJ, Russia bailed on explaining its excuse of "genocide" for invading Ukraine. About as much of that as WMD before. The ones benefitting are the lenders and the arms dealers.I'm still keeping a candle on, still praying π
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Post by donna on Mar 10, 2022 13:58:01 GMT -5
I still think that CW should check on Gerard Butler. He is tall and they have a similar history of substance abuse and should get on very nicely. Remember the sparks between them during some Cannes film festival? Similar inner child pain, I reckon.
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Post by agentf on Mar 10, 2022 15:04:08 GMT -5
Gerard Butler. He was quite the party animal, I think. Isn't he settled now? I'd have to check. I loved this indie movie he made with Emily Mortimer where she plays a single mom holding the pretence for her son that his dad was a decent man working abroad and hired Butler's character to stand in, they fall in love, and ultimately the boy always knew his letters to his dad that she always posted were actually replied by her. Aaaawwwww β₯οΈ I forget the title. Is it healthy for two people with issues to go into a relationship premised by that? She may have been attracted to what's culturally familiar but is it helpful...? I still think that CW should check on Gerard Butler. He is tall and they have a similar history of substance abuse and should get on very nicely. Remember the sparks between them during some Cannes film festival? Similar inner child pain, I reckon.
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Post by donna on Mar 11, 2022 15:42:34 GMT -5
Wasn't he the guy who surprised her at the princess Grace Awards in New York one year? She got so excited that she forgot to behave. Maybe that was the year some guests complained about her vulgar behaviour or maybe that was year after that.
Gerard Butler was seen strolling with his on/off girlfriend late last year. That sounds like he might be available should the occasion rise.
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Post by agentf on Mar 12, 2022 0:05:10 GMT -5
Are we fantasy-planning her post-first marriage life already? π€¨ I know she leaned towards athletes. Pity Shane Warne passed away (RiP), or he might have been well-assorted... a little wild... a little redone...used to high-viz women like Liz Hurley with child(ren) and contentious past relationships. So, okay, Gerard Butler. Who else? If she weren't so tall, Tom Cruise? He's often single, it seems, and she's used to workaholics. Idk. Wasn't he the guy who surprised her at the princess Grace Awards in New York one year? She got so excited that she forgot to behave. Maybe that was the year some guests complained about her vulgar behaviour or maybe that was year after that. Gerard Butler was seen strolling with his on/off girlfriend late last year. That sounds like he might be available should the occasion rise.
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Post by paca on Mar 12, 2022 12:02:20 GMT -5
so two minus make a plus? Two people with abuse issues in a relationship? yeah, looks like another desaster. 2 people drowning, clinging to each other usually die. CW would seize to be high profile, once she gets out of ALberts life. Children or not. Look at Ducruet and other Grimaldi exes. Unless you bring your own glamour to the plate, the light goes out, once the Grimaldis don't shine on them. So she could get together with a normal bloke, if she so wishes and it would probably be her best choice. Someone stable with enough time for her and her issues. She is high maintenance and in need of someone with unlimited patience. SHe is not a normal woman, but a child in a huge body. Oh and the guy needs to like cyborgs, given all her non human spare parts. As to Tom Cruise? Really? you want to pawn her off to scientology? Given her newfound dedication to the pedophile club: I don't think so.
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Post by paca on Mar 12, 2022 12:04:28 GMT -5
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Post by agentf on Mar 12, 2022 14:36:08 GMT -5
Shane just has to be the one who got away. He would have blended well in Monaco, a good segue after Albert that even he would have liked. Listen even to their names: "Shane & Charlene". He would have looked like the children's father, to strangers. And two RECOVERED from abuse issues. What do I know. If she's back and they've managed to keep it low key, then maybe things stand a chance to improve. Less fanfare, more genuineness, an effort to be well. ππΌ so two minus make a plus? Two people with abuse issues in a relationship? yeah, looks like another desaster. 2 people drowning, clinging to each other usually die. CW would seize to be high profile, once she gets out of ALberts life. Children or not. Look at Ducruet and other Grimaldi exes. Unless you bring your own glamour to the plate, the light goes out, once the Grimaldis don't shine on them. So she could get together with a normal bloke, if she so wishes and it would probably be her best choice. Someone stable with enough time for her and her issues. She is high maintenance and in need of someone with unlimited patience. SHe is not a normal woman, but a child in a huge body. Oh and the guy needs to like cyborgs, given all her non human spare parts. As to Tom Cruise? Really? you want to pawn her off to scientology? Given her newfound dedication to the pedophile club: I don't think so.
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Post by paca on Mar 12, 2022 17:17:25 GMT -5
well, I guess Albert wanted her back for his bday. Hopefully he will keep celebrations small and also she should still keep away from social media until she is fully back. Or maybe quitt sm all together. The palace and her foundation have have insta and facebook, so no need to have a private one that is public. If she wants, she can set it on private. But she is not posting that much and doesn't seem to know how to properly use it, so leave sm to professionals and focus on doing what you are good at and your kids. over a year is a very long time and the visits were brief. Even if there was facetime, it is no substitute, so she needs to get back into their daily routine, see what changed etc. It is a good thing tat they didn't make a big deal with photo op out of her return. I am sure that they have had the professionals draw out a plan of how to do things in the beginning, but eventually she has to fit herself into everyones routine and maintaining her own. Not easy. And there is the danger of going back to old patterns. So lets see what happens.
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Post by agentf on Mar 12, 2022 17:26:02 GMT -5
That's a very good reason. I forgot about his Bday. I wonder if he also wanted her out of any angry Russian's way and back where he could keep her safe. Putin has some family in Switzerland and Abramovich taunted the British on his yacht's way to Montenegro (?). Anyway. The oligarchs are pouring into Israel, apparently, where Bennett is trying to convince Zelensky to declare Ukraine vanquished. I guess the CΓ΄te d'Azur will be less crowded this summer, and places like Sardinia were moaning. Albert should just buy his wife a yacht. well, I guess Albert wanted her back for his bday. Hopefully he will keep celebrations small and also she should still keep away from social media until she is fully back. Or maybe quitt sm all together. The palace and her foundation have have insta and facebook, so no need to have a private one that is public. If she wants, she can set it on private. But she is not posting that much and doesn't seem to know how to properly use it, so leave sm to professionals and focus on doing what you are good at and your kids. over a year is a very long time and the visits were brief. Even if there was facetime, it is no substitute, so she needs to get back into their daily routine, see what changed etc. It is a good thing tat they didn't make a big deal with photo op out of her return. I am sure that they have had the professionals draw out a plan of how to do things in the beginning, but eventually she has to fit herself into everyones routine and maintaining her own. Not easy. And there is the danger of going back to old patterns. So lets see what happens.
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Post by paca on Mar 13, 2022 12:51:15 GMT -5
well, she could just be using his new toy from last summer. Not sure about the Israel thing, given that selensky is the one who brought them in to help with negotiations. BUt it is interesting how many of these oligarchs also have an Israely passport. Not that they seem to care much about fellow Jews. A group of Jewish orphans from Odessa has recently arrived here. Given how Germans ravaged the city during WW2 it is significant to see them turn to Germany for help rather than Israel, who btw is not very outspoken against the war due to Putins role in the middle east. Also worrying that Iran has used the opportunity to strike while the world is looking elsewhere. We should not forget, that there are other conflicts still smoldering and that we need to keep an eye on them too. But also that this is Putins war, not the war of Russian people. Even those supporting him are mostly victims of decades of propaganda. The moere respect obviously to those protesters in spite of the risks they are taking.
As to protecting her, I don't think that she was in any danger in Switzerland. I think it was simply about time to see how things go. Obviously she needed 30 days for the physical detox. But it has been 3 months now since she is clean and that is a long time. I suspect she will have some day patient care to get her started for another few weeks and build a routine in MC and then they will have her as an out patient taking more and more control. Depending how things go from there she will be back, or not. She needs to master the homefront first, so I won't be expecting her to attend anything official in the next few months. My guess is that the picnic in September is a reasonable and sufficiently intimate occasion for a comeback, but it is a long way until then...
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Post by agentf on Mar 13, 2022 14:11:22 GMT -5
September would be reasonable, for sure. For the rest, the war appears more and more to me as scorched Earth. No one blames the populations, this is a sick game at another level. I think Putin got double-crossed and he's raging. He will ruin the decades of friendlier trade because as per WW2, he feels Russia has been screwed. I'll never understand why innocents must be dragged into this when the pro- and antagonists know each other but don't settle this amongst themselves and cloak this instead in the most insulting way to throw people off the scent. well, she could just be using his new toy from last summer. Not sure about the Israel thing, given that selensky is the one who brought them in to help with negotiations. BUt it is interesting how many of these oligarchs also have an Israely passport. Not that they seem to care much about fellow Jews. A group of Jewish orphans from Odessa has recently arrived here. Given how Germans ravaged the city during WW2 it is significant to see them turn to Germany for help rather than Israel, who btw is not very outspoken against the war due to Putins role in the middle east. Also worrying that Iran has used the opportunity to strike while the world is looking elsewhere. We should not forget, that there are other conflicts still smoldering and that we need to keep an eye on them too. But also that this is Putins war, not the war of Russian people. Even those supporting him are mostly victims of decades of propaganda. The moere respect obviously to those protesters in spite of the risks they are taking. As to protecting her, I don't think that she was in any danger in Switzerland. I think it was simply about time to see how things go. Obviously she needed 30 days for the physical detox. But it has been 3 months now since she is clean and that is a long time. I suspect she will have some day patient care to get her started for another few weeks and build a routine in MC and then they will have her as an out patient taking more and more control. Depending how things go from there she will be back, or not. She needs to master the homefront first, so I won't be expecting her to attend anything official in the next few months. My guess is that the picnic in September is a reasonable and sufficiently intimate occasion for a comeback, but it is a long way until then...
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Post by paca on Mar 13, 2022 16:19:20 GMT -5
yeah, I think Putin in the ring with one of the Klischkos would have been a fairer fight and people would have actually been willing to pay for it. But this? we are still clearing away bombs from ww2. And in Verdun they are still clearing away from ww1. Ukraine delivered for decades food to most of Europe. Well, it will take quite some time until te soil can be safely used again for wheat. Prices are already steap. It started even before the war, but Just give it a tad more time and things will get worse. Also for us.
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Post by agentf on Mar 13, 2022 17:03:05 GMT -5
It's human depravity at its worst. yeah, I think Putin in the ring with one of the Klischkos would have been a fairer fight and people would have actually been willing to pay for it. But this? we are still clearing away bombs from ww2. And in Verdun they are still clearing away from ww1. Ukraine delivered for decades food to most of Europe. Well, it will take quite some time until te soil can be safely used again for wheat. Prices are already steap. It started even before the war, but Just give it a tad more time and things will get worse. Also for us.
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