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Post by paca on May 15, 2012 8:53:55 GMT -5
I do agree that he has not made that decision yet, but he never really made the decision to marry her either. He admitted that there has been pressure on him to get married and although he always claimed that he would not get pushed into matrimony, this is what really happened. There were people at court who thought that it was in their best interest to have Assbert marry scarface. They knew that he can be manipulated and how. Without their help trashlene would have never succeeded. Remember, she was already on her way out and media reported that she was considered too dumb for the role. Apparently some people at court thought that she was just dumb enough for the role. A smart princess would have gotten rid of them and put an end to their scheming. Dumpsterbride on the other hand has no idea how the palace works. SHe thinks that she is in control and is running the show. That's what Bunte was trying to bring across in their article headline. But indeed she does not have a clue. She is the tool to control assbert. She is keeping him weak and she is keeping him from doing what he originally set out to do but found too difficult for him to manage. They have now taken everything off him. In the beginning they allowed him to go preach green as long as he kept his nose out of how to run MC. Now they have even taken that off him. the raising of bustickets to up to 176% is a severe slap into his green face. It is the tombstone for his green politics. They have put the subsidization of electric cars on hold, they higher the prices of public transport instead of keeping them low. and on top of that he gets the blame for it. Now he has nothing left. He shows up in a ridiculous uniform at an event that is not for him and to which he was not even invited, gets mocked by the press and the local paper points to an article that rubs it in their faces that he is totally ridiculous and unnecessary for the country. I do believe though that the people who are behind the recent leaks and who are allowing the criticism are not the same that have helped scarface to take reigns. IMO these are the people that tried to reason with him and wanted him to actually achieve sth, do his job. Now that they have seen that it is not working and that MC is going down the drain rapidly, they are even risking for him to be severely damaged within the population. I don't really think that these people want to get rid of him, but they do want to put pressure on him to get her out and to finally do his job. But I also believe that they are prepared to get rid of him, if he does not turn around do his job for the good of MC. IMO one option for them would be to get rid of trashy and convince Assbert to not remarry for the sake of an heir. They may either pressure him into turning MC into a constitutional system or have him publicly designate an heir. though I think a constitutional system is more what they might have in mind, where it doesn't matter really who is ruling as IMO no one in MC really thinks that Caros kids would be a better option then assbert. His natural children are entirely out of the picture as they have no backing in MC whatsoever. Caros kids would be acceptable as representatives, but not as rulers. They are way too jetset and empty headed to be able to turn things around for mc. None of them has the knowledge needed.
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Post by mrszinck on May 15, 2012 10:44:24 GMT -5
I don't know but it makes sense, paca.
Albert has said. She is not his ‘soulmate’ and he has also never said 'I love you'. Maybe this could explain the circus…
She said (before marriage): we remain friends forever! Strange for someone who is going to marry… unless you know people at court who -thought that it was in their best interest- arrange this.
I now for sure Charl’s never give up the life…. And a child was never the planning! Remember she says: ‘give me a break’ (to PPDA) and ‘We hope to have a child soon.’ (JDD interview). BS!
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Post by paca on May 15, 2012 11:51:53 GMT -5
her reply to PPDA was most certainly her most honest statement towards her wish to procreate. When she realized that her only purpose was to bear an heir and that people only want that of her, she started tooting the baby horn. First it was start a family soon, have a child soon and then it was getting a truckload of kids. I think at one point 6 were even mentioned. Now imagine the truth in that from a 34 year old and a 54 year old man. SHe would have to be pregnant for the following 10 years at least, which still would be considered unhealthy. 12 years would be about ok but then she would be 46 and her husband 66. Not a likely scenario. Not mentioning that she has no idea what a pregnancy does to a body, especially when you are mid thirty. If she ever gets pregnant she might just have enough after one. NOt mentioning that she would have to give up on her surgeries. looking at Carla, she should really take a look at what a pregnancy does to an over operated face. they both have had the same kind of plastic work done, now look at the mess Carla has become. She will soon have to veil her face, so people don't runaway screaming from that face. She looks absolutely horrid and trashy will not look any better, if ever a child should be so unfortunate to make her a mother.
The child thing is only in her mind as a last resort to keep her place and the money rolling. SHe has no natural connection with children and does not really want any apart for decoration and photo op purposes.
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Post by MyAdia on May 15, 2012 12:23:43 GMT -5
My money is on the Princess Con Artist of Monaco pulling off a baby-miscarriage-sympathy scam simply because Albert has clearly shown that he still has no backbone! Albert is still banking on selling his happy marriage image to improve Monaco’s attractiveness. This man still has no clue just how much of a laughing stock people see his marriage to Charlene – only the same flunkies are convinced by photos such as these of them just oozing love and affection for other. I do believe though that the people who are behind the recent leaks and who are allowing the criticism are not the same that have helped scarface to take reigns. IMO these are the people that tried to reason with him and wanted him to actually achieve sth, do his job. Paca, I so agree with you on this one. It was clear from the interview of Albert’s adviser (Philippe Deslandes March 2006 interview) after his appearance with Charlene at theTurin Olympics, that many felt that it was a huge mistake for the newly head of state Albert to be cavorting with an opportunistic bimbo. Just look at Charlene performing for the cameras. The tabloids fell in love with Charlene whereas the people who truly wanted Albert to succeed and do right by Monaco were cringing. After seeing the photos of Charlene hanging over Albert like a cheap suit and reading her 2001 South African interview where she detailed every aspect of her first date with Albert, we old timers saw Charlene as an opportunistic tacky gold digger. Although Albert acquiesce to complaints from Monaco and sent Charlene home (and brought in Pierre to sit with him for the remaining of the Olympics events), Charlene’s big con job was already set in motion and she soon started her media campaign to become Princess Charlene of Monaco – starting with her Paris Match interview conducted soon as she arrived from Turin. Recall soon after the wedding, South African reporter Debbie Reynolds (see this post), revealed how Charlene contacted her early in 2006 to discuss her media strategy because as Debbie noted," It was evident even then that she saw a future with Prince Albert." The entire thread – Charlene a Victim? Decide From Her Old Interviews – shows examples of Chalrene’s strategy to use the press to convince Albert to marry her. However, Charlene’s biggest con was inventing a swimming career that long died out to hide the fact that her only goal in life was getting Albert to marry her. As I noted in detail in this post, Charlene claim that she qualified for the Beijing Olympics was one big con job – which is why her coach (and his family) who helped her is now living high off the hog (Albert) in Monaco. Charlene had to do several pre and post planning to carry out this con, including the fake injury, because she knew she was not even eligible to swim internationally under FINA guidelines let alone she was not a competitive swimmer. I will give the girl credit for the May 2007 “paparazzi” photos of Albert accompanying her to her doctor appointment to check out her injuries – a stroke of genius! What’s funny, soon after those photos Charlene was in Rome posing for her photo shoot with her friend Hubertus von Hohenl for her German magazine Park Avenue cover story. Charlene has shown that she has the balls and the know how to get over on Sucker Albert. Imagine the difference in the prosperity of Monaco if he could have borrowed some of Charlene's balls - and grow a backbone. Charlene doesn’t feel desperate yet because her doppelgänger is bragging that Kate has not announced a pregnancy, so why should Charlene feel pressure. We people with brains (which Charlene lacks) know that the 54 year old Sovereign is in a different position than the now full-time military man William. William and Kate will plan to have a child when William is no longer on full-time duty, but Albert wants an heir NOW. So, I predict Charlene will get extremely desperate once Kate announces a pregnancy - thus expect some type of con job to alleviate the pressure.
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Post by vamilkshake on May 15, 2012 13:24:43 GMT -5
I looked at the photos from The Turin and what was amazing to me is that Charlene looks happy and young and it was just a year ago. Compare those photos to her permanent scowl.
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Post by paca on May 15, 2012 13:34:03 GMT -5
Kate would certainly put te pressure on her, but as you said they are not in a hurry. Besides they are both way younger.
Not sure if Assbert wants an heir now, but he does need one now...
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Post by paca on May 15, 2012 13:39:25 GMT -5
I looked at the photos from The Turin and what was amazing to me is that Charlene looks happy and young and it was just a year ago. Compare those photos to her permanent scowl. Turin was in 2006, so that was 6 years ago and many surgeries earlier...
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Post by vamilkshake on May 15, 2012 13:44:57 GMT -5
Paca -
Aha! That makes sense - she looked so much younger.
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Post by refia on May 15, 2012 14:06:47 GMT -5
IMO no one in MC really thinks that Caros kids would be a better option then assbert. His natural children are entirely out of the picture as they have no backing in MC whatsoever. Caros kids would be acceptable as representatives, but not as rulers. They are way too jetset and empty headed to be able to turn things around for mc. None of them has the knowledge needed. I´m not sure if they are empty headed, but they also don´t show seriousness. Although Andrea seems to be depressed, something is not right with him. But I´m no doctor, so well. Would you say the DeMassys are capable of reigning? I believe they are not in the succession line anymore, hm. What about Stéphs children?
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Post by paca on May 15, 2012 14:22:08 GMT -5
de massys are no longer in line. Stephs kids aren't any use either. As I said they are all good enough to represent as long as they keep out of trouble, but not good enough to rule. the brains stopped with Caro. but even she would not have been able to rule. She is great at representing and she would have drawn a different kind of people, but I don't think ruling would have been her thing either. She was great as supporting act for Rainier (in many ways better then her mom IMO), but to rule? Maybe if Rainier would have worked on giving her the job, but she likes the way her life is going way too much now to change it. If she had to, she might rise to the occasion, as she has always done, but not voluntarily. But she will always be there when she is called for.
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Post by refia on May 15, 2012 15:10:51 GMT -5
I agree if they had her prepared from the begin to rule. But now? I think she enjoys now her quiet life. Doesn´t looks good for the Grimaldis. And even if Albert has an heir, would he be able to raise him or her to a functioning ruler? Plus with a narcisst as mother, the child can´t win unless they send him or her to a foreign boarding school XD
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Post by paca on May 15, 2012 17:54:06 GMT -5
I'd say that most likely you would have to be a good ruler, to be able to raise a good one. But then again, Louis II was useless and he was followed by Rainier. I have met people who knew him as a youngster and said that no one expected him to rise to the occasion. That's why they thought or hoped that assbert would surprise them. We are in a different time now and Rainier was an entirely different generation. Even though he belonged to the olden days playboy generation, these people, like Gunther Sachs and others, appeared to be living the highlife with beautiful women, but in fact they were spending a lot of their time doing things. Only photographers weren't with them at all times...
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Post by refia on May 15, 2012 19:20:09 GMT -5
I just can´t understand him, how difficult was it to marry with 30 and having children? It´s not that he wouldn´t had his mistresses, just look at all other monarchies. Plus his children would have been born under Rainiers reign with an other expectation than the other grandchildren. Argh, Albert...Not even here you have succeeded.
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Post by cm7007 on May 15, 2012 19:48:17 GMT -5
I just can´t understand him, how difficult was it to marry with 30 and having children? It´s not that he wouldn´t had his mistresses, just look at all other monarchies. Plus his children would have been born under Rainiers reign with an other expectation than the other grandchildren. Argh, Albert...Not even here you have succeeded. I believe it is/was his subconscious plan. Don't know what happened in the privacy of their home as children that made them ALL so rebellious and contrary - but something really screwed them all up royally. Even Caroline, who seems to be the least disturbed of the three, only seems that way in comparison to the two others. JMO
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Post by paca on May 16, 2012 8:50:15 GMT -5
IMO they reacted to the difference between public life of their parents and private life. When you compare how Grace was with her kids andhow both daughters are with theirs, then they are worlds apart. Maybe once they had their own kids and understood what was going on, they intellectually got the message. But kids react emotionally not intellectually. And if you have to pretend for everyone in public for ever (and even posthumus) that your parents were living a fairytale, when indeed they weren't at all, then it does cause damage. IMO Rainier and Grace failed as parents to prepare their kids for the life ahead of them. Caro and Steph tried to do it differently, but they over indulge their kids, which is damaging too. Doing it different doesn't necessarily mean better. WHere Rainier and Grace were too strict, the grandkids could have used more authority. IMO they do have though a more authentic and loving relationship to their parents, then the trio. In that respect they have greater chances to a more balanced life. There is a good chance that their children might turn out more promising.
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Post by hibou on May 16, 2012 10:58:35 GMT -5
I just read from the block of Eringer:″ Princess Charlene is pregnant, I'm sure about it, the official announce soon.″ ......Who is going to barren? LOL Well no surprise that the PR is out in force. I think we all know they went to Lourdes for the PR value. I think MyAdia has it right, next step, miscarriage if she's in fact pregnant. My problem with" the announcement will be soon" is that if it were true Charlene herself would have leaked it to Bunte. There would have been no need for a Lourdes trip since Charlene would have become pregnant before Kate and thus "stolen" the headlines for a few days. I believe the Lourdes trip was a set up for the no pregnancy. Just my theory.
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Post by mrszinck on May 16, 2012 13:28:22 GMT -5
Don't forget that Pr. Grace has been with Albert to Lourdes.
Why else would Charl’s go?
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Post by MadameConcorde on May 16, 2012 13:42:02 GMT -5
Besides, do you really believe a 53 year old monarch with no illegitimate heir His illegitimate heir is named Eric Coste if I am right. He lives with his mother not too far away from Monaco - unless they moved. He has no legitimate heir - from his marriage to Charlene Wittstock. If there is no child born from the marriage then his only choice will be to change the constitution and legitim-ize his illegitimate son. The boy is getting older Maybe he is already training him in the shadow... who knows? Everything is possible.
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Post by vamilkshake on May 16, 2012 14:36:40 GMT -5
I couldn't find anything on Eringer about Charlene being pregnant, but suffice it to say if it were True and Real they would have gotten a magazine cover to announce it. That would be real news and they would get (for once) a bit of positive press.
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