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Post by paca on Mar 4, 2021 19:05:04 GMT -5
Oprah seems to me more like a fan girl to her subjects and that is why they go to her. But she only takes them on when they are big. She doesn't help build people up, which she would have the power to do so. She latches on to those who are already made. The easy way. Anyone can do that. To spot talent and support it is entirely different. Meg is only inteeresting to her because she is American and half black, although styled white. She could do a Hilaria Baldwin and pretend to be Spanish... I don't think the interview will show us anything new. Meg wants to portray herself as the victim, which she did from day one. Remember her first xmas with the BRF and harrys gushing in an interview right after? the family she never had. and enter megs sister being outraged at Harry, stating that she did have family. But that wasn't megs plan. She portrayed herself as a woman with no family (or better unhappy) apart from her mom and dad to Harry, who existed because she tweeted about them. Gushing at the time, because at the time when she was still hoping against hope to make it as an actress. And in Hollywood apparently parents are important to have. Either as very close or total failures. In her case, she grew up in Hollywood. Her father worked successfully in the industry. So he was still useful to her. People might still remember him. What always baffled me was, that she hung around sets, but she was never hired. Not even as an extra. Alissa milano is her peer, her dad worked on her set and she didn't get a part as a friend? Did people already realize then, that she was void of any acting talent? Anyways, while in Hollywood she might have considered him still an asset. In the BRF he was no use to her and his looks embarrassed her. hence the hatched job. And another chance for her to play the victim, while actually being the vilain. I mean seriously, she never introduced her dad to Harry and I don't think she ever intended to. She needed him out of her life for good, while not looking bad for the public. I wouldn't be surprised if she had her hands in the paparazzi stint with her dad. And what was that about a safe house? Her dad didn't need to hide from professional killers.... I guess her unexpected win in court deluded her into thinking that people are actually buying her act. Since even the palace was surprised at the verdict without trial, I expect that the appeal court might overturn the ruling, exspecially in view of how she since handled her privacy. And that of others.
Anyways to Haz she keeps playing the damsel in distress, who needs to be rescued by Nazi uniform wearing dimwit, whom nobody wanted due to his antics of strip poker and the likes. And he was at an age, where others already have the responsibility of fatherhood. But Haz still plays the poor orphan acting out. Millions of kids lose their mothers, many of them under extremely traumatizing circumstances like war (remember Ruanda where kids had to watch their mothers get raped and then killed?) and without the money to get them therapy. Most of them don't use their trauma as an excuse for acting out. I am pretty sure Harry would have done all those things even if his mum would have been around. It is who he is. He would have blamed the divorce then instead. but his actions would have been the same. Only people would have seen him for the spoilt brat he is and not made excuses for him. Let's face it, he is the Andrew of his generation. Just as spoilt, dim, out of control and poor choices. I don't think that Meg will be rooting for him the way Fergie does for Andy though. Fergie wants to be allowed back in. For her it is a social acceptance thing, for meg it is plain old gold digging, to use the nice word.
the brf made the mistake to not thoroughly check Meg before giving consent. He might have married her anyways, but we know from other RF, that without consent, no titles. Meg wouldn't have gone for that and she wouldn't have waited like Kate. First she was too old for that and she wanted in through the front door. Besides she desperately needed a kid as a pawn. First rule of gold digging is get that kid and you get whatever you want. It's your insurance. If the guy is old, one kid is enough. ask Melania. Anyways another thing to remember is that she never moved all her things to the UK. If she was planing to never come back, why keep storage in Canada? I bet she told Haz that she would get it over once they settled in Frogmore, but by then she had already moved them back to Canada. In retrospect I think she always wanted to return to LA and just wait a few years, eventually she will run for the senate. By then she will be a 3 times divorcee though. Let's not forget that she is already on her 3rd husband... No 1 she never mentioned, but he exists. Just like her blood diamonds.
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Post by agentf on Mar 5, 2021 4:28:15 GMT -5
Today, it's "leaks"... but if there were no "there there", there wouldn't be any leaks, would there? Oprah used to give the common man and woman their 15 minutes, I wouldn't totally knock her, but she too compartmentalized people. She's a different kind of populist. I actually know an American Canadian actor/director who she apparently pursued a bit. I digress. And what's up with Haz? It's supposed to be Chelsea Davy's pet name for Harry. ๐ I'm just glad QE2 has two new Corgi puppies to offset those two's drudgery. Oprah seems to me more like a fan girl to her subjects and that is why they go to her. But she only takes them on when they are big. She doesn't help build people up, which she would have the power to do so. She latches on to those who are already made. The easy way. Anyone can do that. To spot talent and support it is entirely different. Meg is only inteeresting to her because she is American and half black, although styled white. She could do a Hilaria Baldwin and pretend to be Spanish... I don't think the interview will show us anything new. Meg wants to portray herself as the victim, which she did from day one. Remember her first xmas with the BRF and harrys gushing in an interview right after? the family she never had. and enter megs sister being outraged at Harry, stating that she did have family. But that wasn't megs plan. She portrayed herself as a woman with no family (or better unhappy) apart from her mom and dad to Harry, who existed because she tweeted about them. Gushing at the time, because at the time when she was still hoping against hope to make it as an actress. And in Hollywood apparently parents are important to have. Either as very close or total failures. In her case, she grew up in Hollywood. Her father worked successfully in the industry. So he was still useful to her. People might still remember him. What always baffled me was, that she hung around sets, but she was never hired. Not even as an extra. Alissa milano is her peer, her dad worked on her set and she didn't get a part as a friend? Did people already realize then, that she was void of any acting talent? Anyways, while in Hollywood she might have considered him still an asset. In the BRF he was no use to her and his looks embarrassed her. hence the hatched job. And another chance for her to play the victim, while actually being the vilain. I mean seriously, she never introduced her dad to Harry and I don't think she ever intended to. She needed him out of her life for good, while not looking bad for the public. I wouldn't be surprised if she had her hands in the paparazzi stint with her dad. And what was that about a safe house? Her dad didn't need to hide from professional killers.... I guess her unexpected win in court deluded her into thinking that people are actually buying her act. Since even the palace was surprised at the verdict without trial, I expect that the appeal court might overturn the ruling, exspecially in view of how she since handled her privacy. And that of others. Anyways to Haz she keeps playing the damsel in distress, who needs to be rescued by Nazi uniform wearing dimwit, whom nobody wanted due to his antics of strip poker and the likes. And he was at an age, where others already have the responsibility of fatherhood. But Haz still plays the poor orphan acting out. Millions of kids lose their mothers, many of them under extremely traumatizing circumstances like war (remember Ruanda where kids had to watch their mothers get raped and then killed?) and without the money to get them therapy. Most of them don't use their trauma as an excuse for acting out. I am pretty sure Harry would have done all those things even if his mum would have been around. It is who he is. He would have blamed the divorce then instead. but his actions would have been the same. Only people would have seen him for the spoilt brat he is and not made excuses for him. Let's face it, he is the Andrew of his generation. Just as spoilt, dim, out of control and poor choices. I don't think that Meg will be rooting for him the way Fergie does for Andy though. Fergie wants to be allowed back in. For her it is a social acceptance thing, for meg it is plain old gold digging, to use the nice word. the brf made the mistake to not thoroughly check Meg before giving consent. He might have married her anyways, but we know from other RF, that without consent, no titles. Meg wouldn't have gone for that and she wouldn't have waited like Kate. First she was too old for that and she wanted in through the front door. Besides she desperately needed a kid as a pawn. First rule of gold digging is get that kid and you get whatever you want. It's your insurance. If the guy is old, one kid is enough. ask Melania. Anyways another thing to remember is that she never moved all her things to the UK. If she was planing to never come back, why keep storage in Canada? I bet she told Haz that she would get it over once they settled in Frogmore, but by then she had already moved them back to Canada. In retrospect I think she always wanted to return to LA and just wait a few years, eventually she will run for the senate. By then she will be a 3 times divorcee though. Let's not forget that she is already on her 3rd husband... No 1 she never mentioned, but he exists. Just like her blood diamonds.
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Post by paca on Mar 5, 2021 18:04:02 GMT -5
yes, to the corgys. Maybe she could name them meg and Haz and kick those other 2 out. I think pets are far better family members than humans. they can be bullies too, having one particular specimen in residence, but at least they don#t carry their grievances around and make people's lives a misery. Good to hear that Philip has been transfered back to st edwards. I guess he won't be watching any of that nonsense, just shaking his head. He made an effort with harry's mum and was disappointed. I don't think he would have tried to intervene with Harry. Seeing how he walked away from Fergie, I don't see him wanting to talk with Meghan ever again. Harry is blood, so there might be a chance, but I doubt that he would be easy to reach for Harry right now. I wouldn't be surprised though, if he was widely involved in that bullying probe. I can see him discussing that with Charles during his visit. Philip is pretty smart and he has been working behind the scenes of BHP. I am sure he was aware of the rumours of misconduct. The Times is the royals go to media. I don't think this would have been published without the nod of approval from above. Hence the quick rebutal as they knew it was coming and would catch the dimwits off guard. Plus the staff would be protected as they were coming forward with approval. Also it shows that Meghan was being protected (thus gone hers and Harry's accusation as people trying to destroy them and them not being protected), by the very people she accuses of wanting to destroy her. Also important to note that all staff she went after were women. She attacked Kate, not will. Always going for low hanging fruits, as bullies do. And kate was pregnant when attacked. One rule for Kate another when Meg was pregnant? she is pitting herself against kate, who will be queen one day. It shows that Meghan does not understand the first thing about Monarchy. William will always be treated differently than Harry as will be Kate. They have different responsibilities. They carry a bigger burden, so obviously they are better protected. And so will their kids be. Harry only comes after Louis. Harry is in the same position as Andrew was. Apparently neither managed to deal with it. It's about time the BRF put down some rules in writing for lesser royals to let them know exactly what is expected of them. At the bottom of it is miscommunication. Being pushed down by every new baby, doesn't mean less valued as a human being. And you can still make difference, just on a smaller scale. I think some in the family don't quite get that. The leaked email is proof the bullying happened and that it is a fact that people had to resign because the matter was not addressed to protect Meghan and Harry. I think it was a very smart move to leak this and I believe that the times has been sitting on the material for some time, waiting for the go ahead, which they received after Charles visited Philip. I am pretty sure that since the Sandringham meet, they prepared themselves for all kind of scenarios. They knew whom they were dealing with and what might be coming. A TV interview was inevitable and Meghan has been yearning for it for years. Over the past year again and again they aired their grievances, so the BRF knew what was coming. So obviously it would protect itself. It always has and always will. But they do it differently. Harry has always been protected and still he managed to get a lot of nasty stuff out there. Everyone knows how unbalanced he is and was allowed to be. I am pretty sure that his Nazi outfit and the strip poker wasn't the worst of it. So there is plenty of dirt to be dished if need be. But Meghan is not blood and I think that they are already prepared for a divorce. She is already on her 3rd marriage, so she is experienced in the matter and so it can be expected that there will be a divorce eventually. It's not if, but when. I wouldn't be surprised, if in the back of her mind, the move to LA was also with her standing in a possible divorce. With her in LA and the grandkids there as well, she might feel that she has a better deck of cards in her hand. Should her reputation in the US be tarnished to a degree that she can not do business, it is more likely she will agree to return the children to the UK and maybe be provided with a small estate. I am sure that the BRF wants them to succeed, but not at their expense. I have no doubt that they will destroy them, if they have to. And meghan may think that she can use the kids as pawns in a divorce. It may work with Harry, but the BRF will not bow to blackmail. But we will see...To be honest, had they really looked for privacy, I think they could have asked Charles to be allowed to run Highgrove. Get into organic farming, add some cosmetic products (think yves Rocher) and show up a few times per year on the balcony. They could have had a contented and fullfilling, quiet life. Instead they chose a mess. I doubt that they will achieve anything they set out to do. not if they continue to ride the victim wave against the brf. King George was close to his cousin the czar (they looked like brothers and frankly Kates brother looks like a great grandson), but to preserve the brf, he refused him exile and thus allowed him to be killed. Blood relation in the brf only goes a certain distance. Meghan may not know, but Harry should. The brf doesn't need to speak to defend itself. Meghan should have had a word with Camilla. I don't think anyone has been treated worse than her by the British press than her. Diana unleashed them on her. Someone should remind Harry of what his own mother did out of spite. She wasn't just a victim. She victimized Camilla and lied to make her story stick. Camilla never defended herself. Everyone around her was dragged into it. Her children too. Just because Harry's mum sent her the press over. Diana did not care for Camillas children nor her own, when she ran to the press and dragged everyone through the mudd. Someone needs to point out to Harry and Will, that Diana had a pretty nasty side to her and her love for children, even her own, only went so far. Her rage was stronger than her love. To be honest, had she lived and continued that way, her children might have grown to loath her. Anyways, after all that Diana put her and her family through, Camilla was willing to marry Charles and join the BRF.Look how she is treated now by the press and brf. And she endured not just a few months but more than a decade of it. And when it comes to invasion of privacy, what is more invasive than getting your phone tapped and transcripts of most intimate conversations published for everyone, even your children, to read. wasn't Piers playing a major role in this? Meghan could have and should have known when befriending him. You don't give the keys to your appartment to a notorious thief and then act surprised that the place is empty when you come back...
btw I don't doubt the statements of bullying as well as those who are speaking out for Meg while an actress. During her Hollywood time being difficult when without talent would have been the end of her career. Especially being mixed race and a woman. She couldn't allow herself to be anything but nice. I suspect that was her greatest acting. In a place like Hollywood people move from set to set, from waiting stints to small roles and back. You meet people, you gossip. And you make sure you are not the gossip. Meghan grew up that way. After the wedding she didn't have to do that anymore. Who was going to punish or fire her? She would always be perceived as the victim. She had everyone bend over backwards for her and it still wasn't enough. First she befriended Piers Morgan and when she realized that was a bad move she dropped him. So she tried to undo one error with another. She shouldn't have befriended Piers in the first place. It's unprofessional as an actress and more so as a royal. to unfriend him the way she did was even worse. It is no surprise he can't stand her. It is unprofessional on his part as well, but then again he never is. She should have just faded him out or simply told him politely. But that is not her style, never was. There are 2 sides to Meghan. As long as she needs you, you will only see her best side. I am sure that those who step up for her now are well aware of that, but they too need her, because she means business to them in one way or the other. I don't think she has a single person around her that she isn't using or hinting that friendship with her could be beneficial to them. That includes unfortunetly Archie and his future sibling. Luckily Harry is too daft to see it yet, but he is in the city whith plenty of drugs and alcohol going around. We know he was at risk before. LA is just the place to get him back there when his only meaningful relationship is Meghan. He has no friends or family there. After the interview he will be even more isolated, even with the ex pats, who all want to be kept in the BRF good books, as an OBE goes a long way... And what do lonely men usually do.... To be honest I have no empathy for all adults involved. It was preventable, but I do feel for Archie and his unborn sibling. I hope there will be a happy end for them.
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Post by paca on Mar 5, 2021 18:15:52 GMT -5
Meg called him Haz during busride with James Corden. When they were touring SA she stated that she called him H. Guess she decided on a new name after the backlash in the comments. Did no one tell her that his real name is Henry and Harry is how Diana called him? Maybe she should just use a dog whistle as he seems to be going with all sorts of names... my ex used to call me boo, as he also called his exes and the kids. I hated that. Make an effort and learn to pronounce my name properly or make an effort finding a pet name. But not the same for everyone. That just shows disrespect and lazyness.
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Post by agentf on Mar 6, 2021 12:19:29 GMT -5
True again. I'm glad you seized on Kate being pregnant when snipped at, and yes the men aren't privvy as much to the wrath. I laughed when reading the nickname "The Hostage" the aides gave Harry since before the wedding. I'm a bit disappointed at Chrissy Teigen however, for the blindspot about the fact the backlash was predictable and preventable if this interview focused on something constructive rather than the usual digs at Harry's family. It's kind of self-inflicted.
I'm sorry, I promised to not get dragged into critiquing too much. But I do know a thing or two about invasion of privacy and being illegally wiretapped. So I wholly empathize with Camilla on that and you make a great point. To Camilla no doubt her bond to Charles offset the discomforts. I could write a book about that too.
Hopefully those two will find the true meaning of their lives, that doesn't involve standing on top of other people.
PS: Prince Edward and Princess Anne have had no issue not being the centre of attention. Look how full their lives have been. ๐๐ผ
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Post by paca on Mar 6, 2021 14:29:51 GMT -5
Well Edward and Sophie got themselves into quite a bit of trouble in the beginning, but then retreated, had the children and are now living a fairly quiet and dignified life. I think that is why they manage a stable marriage and also established a strong bond with the queen. I think the Queen knows how to privately make up for being pushed down. I think access and being sent to all sorts of weddings to represent her was part of it. Usually you'd expect Charles to step in, and it used to be him, when younger. But these days it is always the Wessexes. Well and Anne we know to be a league of her own. I think she really is her fathers daughter, always working hard, not complaining about anything and just carrying on. I think the abductionincident says anything you ever need to know about her. I think on her gravestone should be engraved: don't be ridiculous. She is absolutely no nonsense, he hasn't changed her hair or clothes style in decades. She has always been true to herself and apart from her divorce, I don't think she has ever drawn negative attention to her. What is baffling though is, that she has the most appointments of all royals since I can remember, but she completely flies under the radar. You rarely see it reported nationwide. I think she should be writing a rule book on how to get it right, when you are a royal, but right at the bottom line to the throne....
As to Camilla, I wonder if she sometimes wishes to go back in time and said yes to charles when he first asked. They could have saved themselves and others so much heartache. There are actually scientist persuing alternative realities like that. Well, will and Harry wouldn't be around, so there wouldn't be any Oprah interviews or other rubbish that will surely get dumped on us, but we know now what they were willing to endure for their love, had they married young and had children, their marriage would have lasted and their children would have witnessed a loving and lasting marriage. We will see possibly with George, Charlotte and Louis what that could have looked like. But what a difference would have been made, if it had been a generation earlier...
what's that about chrissy teigen? only read the bit of megs on screen husband. Funny that he didn't find the monarchy irrelevant, when he attended the wedding. Guess now that Meg can't get him an OBE it is worth piling on. Especially since she is moving in Oprahs circles, which will be more helpful for his acting than an OBE that will never come. Amal is very quiet. Probably still hoping to become a dame...
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Post by agentf on Mar 6, 2021 18:30:29 GMT -5
Anne is a gem, and a true dame even in silver screen terms. As per Edward and Sophie, they recovered, which shows one mistake is not the end of the world - they didn't follow up with a media pity tour. Teigen implies that the backlash might cause a miscarriage. Well, what mother goes out and puts herself in the line of fire after yet again (and again) a final parting shot? Hopefully she's using a surrogate ๐ Now Christiane Amanpour has come out in defense of Oprah's research creds. I don't know how serious one can take a woman with a vanity magazine with her face constantly on the cover, but sure. Amal has not stolen her merits. If she becomes Dame Amal, it won't be for nothing. Her mother is also well regarded. I think her mother was a real journalist, I'd have to check. But I'll take Amanpour's word for it if she says Oprah Winfrey can in fact ask the hard questions. That would explain the long faces in the car ride, and Harry spilling the tea prematurely with James Corden. I'll be working on my midterm paper. Well Edward and Sophie got themselves into quite a bit of trouble in the beginning, but then retreated, had the children and are now living a fairly quiet and dignified life. I think that is why they manage a stable marriage and also established a strong bond with the queen. I think the Queen knows how to privately make up for being pushed down. I think access and being sent to all sorts of weddings to represent her was part of it. Usually you'd expect Charles to step in, and it used to be him, when younger. But these days it is always the Wessexes. Well and Anne we know to be a league of her own. I think she really is her fathers daughter, always working hard, not complaining about anything and just carrying on. I think the abductionincident says anything you ever need to know about her. I think on her gravestone should be engraved: don't be ridiculous. She is absolutely no nonsense, he hasn't changed her hair or clothes style in decades. She has always been true to herself and apart from her divorce, I don't think she has ever drawn negative attention to her. What is baffling though is, that she has the most appointments of all royals since I can remember, but she completely flies under the radar. You rarely see it reported nationwide. I think she should be writing a rule book on how to get it right, when you are a royal, but right at the bottom line to the throne.... As to Camilla, I wonder if she sometimes wishes to go back in time and said yes to charles when he first asked. They could have saved themselves and others so much heartache. There are actually scientist persuing alternative realities like that. Well, will and Harry wouldn't be around, so there wouldn't be any Oprah interviews or other rubbish that will surely get dumped on us, but we know now what they were willing to endure for their love, had they married young and had children, their marriage would have lasted and their children would have witnessed a loving and lasting marriage. We will see possibly with George, Charlotte and Louis what that could have looked like. But what a difference would have been made, if it had been a generation earlier... what's that about chrissy teigen? only read the bit of megs on screen husband. Funny that he didn't find the monarchy irrelevant, when he attended the wedding. Guess now that Meg can't get him an OBE it is worth piling on. Especially since she is moving in Oprahs circles, which will be more helpful for his acting than an OBE that will never come. Amal is very quiet. Probably still hoping to become a dame...
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Post by paca on Mar 6, 2021 20:59:08 GMT -5
Exactly to Anne, Edward and Sophie. With Sophie I think she didn't say such nice things about some members of the family and I think she called the queen the old biddy or sth along the lines. I think that alone shows how forgiving the Queen is. I mean she even has been more than civil towards Fergie and she really stepped into it wherever she could. But she was apparently a good mum to her daughters and loyal to their father. I mean they are living together. So I guess through that she did gain the Queens respect. I could imagine that after all, if they wanted to, she would probably agree to a remarriage of those terrible two by now.
Teigen is ridiculous about the miscarriage. No one knows what causes a miscarriage. Most likely the body recognizing that sth is wrong with the embryo. And if you just had one, then you don't drink, don't smoke, avoid stress and get rest. But to be honest, women used to work hard on the field, gave birth on the side and wrapped the kid in a scarf and back on the field. In many parts of the world they still do. It's just spoilt women in the west who treat their pregnancies like some illness. And no she is not using a surrogate, you can tell by her bloated face. She is already starting to retain water. If she would use a surrogate she would be exploiting poor women. Doesn't quite go with feminism and empowering women. Luckily here it is forbidden. Surrogacy to me is on the same level as selling organs. You won't find a rich surrogate and no rich person will sell you their kidney. It's exploiting the poor, and with surrogates it's poor women. And god forbid, if the kid is not healthy...
Amal may not have stolen her merrits, but she had some nasty clients to pay for her expensive clothes, ironically she defended people who couldn't care less about human rights, when they were still in power. It's only since she married rich that she has become more conscientous with her clients. Now she can afford it. Those Loboutins don't get paid for by Jezidish women... Luckily she is not defending Nawalny, who is a pretty nasty piece of work, being homophobic and racist, but hey, he doesn't like Putin so that's okay then....
Oprah asking hard questions? not likely. It will be a rehash of what we've already been told. Or do you really think that Oprah will question them about invading Archies privacy? Whose business is it that the queen sent him a wafflemaker, which btw wouldn't work if it comes from the UK. And his first word was crocodile? Really? Does Harry even know how often a child needs to hear a word before actually being able to speak it? My kids apparently heard nein a lot in their first year accompanied with the head shaking and pointed finger.... At Archies age my kids drew pictures to explain to their daft mum, that they wanted to eat toast Hawaii - in their words meat, circle and cheese. took me a while to figure out that the circle was not a tomatoe and I was supposed to use the oven... ah, well those days when ceci n'est pas une pipe was our way of communicating... kids should remain under five forever. Those are the best years.
as to the long faces, I really don't think they are happy there. And I think it has to do with finding out that Netflix and spotify do not give away money. I think there is a lot of pressure on them to actually produce quality content. Especially Netflix needs content. The interview is only to get attention from those who do not have netflix and have no clue about royalty and wouldn't be drawn to netflix to see them, unless there is some scandal attached. Nothing draws people more than a carcrash.
Btw their Sussex Royal is under scrutiny as well. So I guess Archewell should also be closely watched....
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Post by agentf on Mar 7, 2021 8:19:28 GMT -5
I had a Macaw who said "Whatever!", from hearing me say that so often to a bellicose person ๐. Archie probably learned to say "crocodile" followed most likely by "tears" watching his mom get into character ๐. Kiddies are great, bless them. Amal and her clients... I learned how complex the Mideast was from a Lebanese friend years ago, and I'm certainly no expert nor do I necessarily hold the same views as him. The West expects the Mideast to fast forward to where the West took centuries to arrive. Then it self-congratulates with blinders on. A little self-awareness all around wouldn't hurt. Fergie kind of creeps me out a bit these days. I saw her singing to promote a children's book, and I think she's overdoing the fillers. It's having the reverse wanted effect. Her daughters do seem lovely. Sometimes your supporting role in a family is to birthe great kids and nothing more. As per MM's bloated face, some people had a fascinating theory last time about that, some type of pill to do what, I can't recall. Surrogacy... some mothers have heroically stepped in when their daughters couldn't carry pregnancies - how to judge? I do think many orphans would like to be that desired in people's lives. Life is not perfect for sure. Exactly to Anne, Edward and Sophie. With Sophie I think she didn't say such nice things about some members of the family and I think she called the queen the old biddy or sth along the lines. I think that alone shows how forgiving the Queen is. I mean she even has been more than civil towards Fergie and she really stepped into it wherever she could. But she was apparently a good mum to her daughters and loyal to their father. I mean they are living together. So I guess through that she did gain the Queens respect. I could imagine that after all, if they wanted to, she would probably agree to a remarriage of those terrible two by now. Teigen is ridiculous about the miscarriage. No one knows what causes a miscarriage. Most likely the body recognizing that sth is wrong with the embryo. And if you just had one, then you don't drink, don't smoke, avoid stress and get rest. But to be honest, women used to work hard on the field, gave birth on the side and wrapped the kid in a scarf and back on the field. In many parts of the world they still do. It's just spoilt women in the west who treat their pregnancies like some illness. And no she is not using a surrogate, you can tell by her bloated face. She is already starting to retain water. If she would use a surrogate she would be exploiting poor women. Doesn't quite go with feminism and empowering women. Luckily here it is forbidden. Surrogacy to me is on the same level as selling organs. You won't find a rich surrogate and no rich person will sell you their kidney. It's exploiting the poor, and with surrogates it's poor women. And god forbid, if the kid is not healthy... Amal may not have stolen her merrits, but she had some nasty clients to pay for her expensive clothes, ironically she defended people who couldn't care less about human rights, when they were still in power. It's only since she married rich that she has become more conscientous with her clients. Now she can afford it. Those Loboutins don't get paid for by Jezidish women... Luckily she is not defending Nawalny, who is a pretty nasty piece of work, being homophobic and racist, but hey, he doesn't like Putin so that's okay then.... Oprah asking hard questions? not likely. It will be a rehash of what we've already been told. Or do you really think that Oprah will question them about invading Archies privacy? Whose business is it that the queen sent him a wafflemaker, which btw wouldn't work if it comes from the UK. And his first word was crocodile? Really? Does Harry even know how often a child needs to hear a word before actually being able to speak it? My kids apparently heard nein a lot in their first year accompanied with the head shaking and pointed finger.... At Archies age my kids drew pictures to explain to their daft mum, that they wanted to eat toast Hawaii - in their words meat, circle and cheese. took me a while to figure out that the circle was not a tomatoe and I was supposed to use the oven... ah, well those days when ceci n'est pas une pipe was our way of communicating... kids should remain under five forever. Those are the best years. as to the long faces, I really don't think they are happy there. And I think it has to do with finding out that Netflix and spotify do not give away money. I think there is a lot of pressure on them to actually produce quality content. Especially Netflix needs content. The interview is only to get attention from those who do not have netflix and have no clue about royalty and wouldn't be drawn to netflix to see them, unless there is some scandal attached. Nothing draws people more than a carcrash. Btw their Sussex Royal is under scrutiny as well. So I guess Archewell should also be closely watched....
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Post by paca on Mar 7, 2021 10:09:41 GMT -5
hm, haven't seen momager Kardashian giving birth to any of her grandkids. Sorry, but when it comes to surrogacy, it's about money and the lack of it. The mother's (sometimes sisters or friends) that stepped in most likely did, because the future parents didn't have it. As you said plenty of orphans around up for adoption. If it is about being a parent, raising kids, then there are other options. Heroic are those who adopt unwanted trisomy babies. Surrogacy is about money and vanity and the things science can do. These days people want to be pittied when their various rounds of IVF don't work, after undergoing several abortions previously, because the timing wasn't right, the partner wasn't right or whatever. Mind you I am all for the right of women to decide over their body. But it is a decision with which a woman will have to live for the rest of her life. So it shouldn't be taken lightly or because you are too daft to use contraception. There are other options. Anyways in numbers you will probably find that surrogate mothers are mainly poor women making a living out of giving birth and IVF is also more common with the rich and middle class. Somehow the poor don't have problems procreating. Never had. There were always plenty of poor people around and the system is set out so that they and their children will mostly remain so. The ones who make it out are rare. anyways, found an interesting read www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-9334025/CANDACE-OWENS-says-long-predicted-Harry-Meghan-end-LA.html
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Post by agentf on Mar 7, 2021 11:19:22 GMT -5
I saw that, and she's right - MM is a clichรฉ in Hollywood. Btw, Fergie's book is an adult novel, my bad. Rather than fillers, she might want to try NuDerma's facial wand (10k+ positive reviews can't be wrong!) My budding jowls recessed and my neck was the first to smoothe out, now all that's left is my persistent frown line but I have to check baby photos because it must be I was born with it ๐ It also replumps lips and you can target friends' receding hairlines too, for kicks. www.express.co.uk/celebrity-news/1406748/Joanna-Lumley-Prince-Harry-Meghan-Markle-Oprah-interview-hatefulness-The-Last-Leg-news?jwsource=clhm, haven't seen momager Kardashian giving birth to any of her grandkids. Sorry, but when it comes to surrogacy, it's about money and the lack of it. The mother's (sometimes sisters or friends) that stepped in most likely did, because the future parents didn't have it. As you said plenty of orphans around up for adoption. If it is about being a parent, raising kids, then there are other options. Heroic are those who adopt unwanted trisomy babies. Surrogacy is about money and vanity and the things science can do. These days people want to be pittied when their various rounds of IVF don't work, after undergoing several abortions previously, because the timing wasn't right, the partner wasn't right or whatever. Mind you I am all for the right of women to decide over their body. But it is a decision with which a woman will have to live for the rest of her life. So it shouldn't be taken lightly or because you are too daft to use contraception. There are other options. Anyways in numbers you will probably find that surrogate mothers are mainly poor women making a living out of giving birth and IVF is also more common with the rich and middle class. Somehow the poor don't have problems procreating. Never had. There were always plenty of poor people around and the system is set out so that they and their children will mostly remain so. The ones who make it out are rare. anyways, found an interesting read www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-9334025/CANDACE-OWENS-says-long-predicted-Harry-Meghan-end-LA.html
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Post by agentf on Mar 7, 2021 23:57:37 GMT -5
Reading the headlines, it was what we call a "snow job" ๐ (Christiane Amanpour will no doubt be disappointed.)
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Post by paca on Mar 8, 2021 8:14:05 GMT -5
A lot of lies in that interview. What it boils down to, if taken at face value, then she wanted to kill herself because she is a dumb American. Alas, I don't believe her claims. She knew very well who Harry was. She was old enough to know when Diana died. She probably saw him on TV walking behind his mums casket. At 15 or 16 it leaves an impression. It was on all the news. Just like the murder of Kashoggy who was incidentally a cousin of her late mother in laws last lover. Talk about small world. You don't need to follow the royals to know who Harry and his family are. Every normal woman these days googles the person they are dating. I don't believe that a woman obsessed with the colour of red for some blankets, does not google her bf and his family. I am also sure that she knew that Archie didn't get a title because of his possible colour of skin, but she had to give them something sensational and colour at the moment is a hot topic. At least Harry should have known, that as long as granny lives, his children would not have a title. To intervene on behalf of Charlotte and Louis was sensible as they belong to the same family. But to intervene on behalf of Archie would have meant that she would treat all her other great grandkids differently. There were plenty of other untitled kids around, so she should have known. And btw she was never a princess, always a duchess. She will become a princess should the queen strip them of their titles. But it shows how badly she wants to be titled. I don't believe for a second that it was about security. While he is small and with his parents he would be protected anyways and they had plenty of money to pay for his security as did Andrew with his daughters. Surely Charles would have been willing to foot that bill for his grandkids. And I have sympathy for Charles to not take Harrys calls. There is only so much you can take, especially when your country is in a pandemic. Interesting that they met the Queen at Andrews. Associating with the least adapt Royals around. No wonder it went all so wrong. I suppose the comment about Archies skin colour, if true, was one of Philip's unsensitive remarks. He has quiet the track record of it. I also bet that Harry only took offence after Meghan told him to. He himself has a track record like Philip, so he wouldn't have noticed racism. Unlike Americans, Europeans do not perceive Meghan as being black. Unlike what was preached to us from the US, Obama was never the first black president. And his politics were very white. Reminds me a bit of Halle Berry and her claim, that her daughter was black, when in fact she is only a quarter black... same as Archie. Anyways, obviously they won't name names, because then it could be traced. If it turns out as a lie then they have a huge problem and if they name Philip, the problem would be even greater. Because then also Harrys racist past will be back on the table. The bits that got into the press are surely only the tip of the iceberg. And how would Meghan defend that she married a known racist and have children with him? And he wasn't a kid who didn't know better at the time, nor do I think that Diana or Charles raised him that way. All in all not much news, loads of easy to see through lies, a very bad acting performance (so nothing new there either) and Oprah filled her coffers. Guess not many in the family will be willing to take their calls now. I am seeing a rather scathing statement from bhp with regards to the racism claims and titles. They will have to adress that, but I think we will also see plenty of articles about Harrys racism published and pictures of him in Nazi uniform. I don't think that William will be unveiling Dianas statue with Harry. Nor do I see Harry set officially foot into the UK anytime soon. My guess is that there will be a secret private visit to Balmoral with the new baby to the queen and Charles, if he wants to see him (though I think Charles will always want to see his grandkids), but other then that, I don't think there will be much contact for a while. It won't be long until a divorce now. They thought they were badly treated before, well, from now on it will get worse.
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Post by agentf on Mar 8, 2021 8:26:46 GMT -5
First off, Buckingham is not a babysitting service or adult daycare. Secondly, hats off to Charles for tuning out his son for a while. Thirdly, no great-grandchildren get automatic prince titles. Furthermore, had colour been an issue they wouldn't have allowed the marriage. At 5 months pregnancy, she was followed by a doctor to whom she could have spoken about her depression. They are so full of contradictions, I'm getting whiplash. Either they're helpless creatures in need of constant attention or they're functional adults. Pick one. Oh yeah, and totally Prince Philip aka Captain Obvious over there cutting right to the heart of the matter. On the other hand, some preparedness at any future controversy to take the onus off a child is not altogether unreasonable. A lot of lies in that interview. What it boils down to, if taken at face value, then she wanted to kill herself because she is a dumb American. Alas, I don't believe her claims. She knew very well who Harry was. She was old enough to know when Diana died. She probably saw him on TV walking behind his mums casket. At 15 or 16 it leaves an impression. It was on all the news. Just like the murder of Kashoggy who was incidentally a cousin of her late mother in laws last lover. Talk about small world. You don't need to follow the royals to know who Harry and his family are. Every normal woman these days googles the person they are dating. I don't believe that a woman obsessed with the colour of red for some blankets, does not google her bf and his family. I am also sure that she knew that Archie didn't get a title because of his possible colour of skin, but she had to give them something sensational and colour at the moment is a hot topic. At least Harry should have known, that as long as granny lives, his children would not have a title. To intervene on behalf of Charlotte and Louis was sensible as they belong to the same family. But to intervene on behalf of Archie would have meant that she would treat all her other great grandkids differently. There were plenty of other untitled kids around, so she should have known. And btw she was never a princess, always a duchess. She will become a princess should the queen strip them of their titles. But it shows how badly she wants to be titled. I don't believe for a second that it was about security. While he is small and with his parents he would be protected anyways and they had plenty of money to pay for his security as did Andrew with his daughters. Surely Charles would have been willing to foot that bill for his grandkids. And I have sympathy for Charles to not take Harrys calls. There is only so much you can take, especially when your country is in a pandemic. Interesting that they met the Queen at Andrews. Associating with the least adapt Royals around. No wonder it went all so wrong. I suppose the comment about Archies skin colour, if true, was one of Philip's unsensitive remarks. He has quiet the track record of it. I also bet that Harry only took offence after Meghan told him to. He himself has a track record like Philip, so he wouldn't have noticed racism. Unlike Americans, Europeans do not perceive Meghan as being black. Unlike what was preached to us from the US, Obama was never the first black president. And his politics were very white. Reminds me a bit of Halle Berry and her claim, that her daughter was black, when in fact she is only a quarter black... same as Archie. Anyways, obviously they won't name names, because then it could be traced. If it turns out as a lie then they have a huge problem and if they name Philip, the problem would be even greater. Because then also Harrys racist past will be back on the table. The bits that got into the press are surely only the tip of the iceberg. And how would Meghan defend that she married a known racist and have children with him? And he wasn't a kid who didn't know better at the time, nor do I think that Diana or Charles raised him that way. All in all not much news, loads of easy to see through lies, a very bad acting performance (so nothing new there either) and Oprah filled her coffers. Guess not many in the family will be willing to take their calls now. I am seeing a rather scathing statement from bhp with regards to the racism claims and titles. They will have to adress that, but I think we will also see plenty of articles about Harrys racism published and pictures of him in Nazi uniform. I don't think that William will be unveiling Dianas statue with Harry. Nor do I see Harry set officially foot into the UK anytime soon. My guess is that there will be a secret private visit to Balmoral with the new baby to the queen and Charles, if he wants to see him (though I think Charles will always want to see his grandkids), but other then that, I don't think there will be much contact for a while. It won't be long until a divorce now. They thought they were badly treated before, well, from now on it will get worse.
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Post by paca on Mar 8, 2021 10:17:02 GMT -5
I am sure she was followed by a doctor before 5 months. But then again, Harry had therapy, so they did have a number of a professional who could help and whom Harry trusted. Friends and family lack the tools to help real suicidal people. A professional would have seen through her act though. I really think that it was another lie put out there to shock . Diana made similar claims in her interview about throwing herself down stairs. Yes it is history repeating itself. And yet again they are attacking Charles. Also Oprah should have followed up on that claim. She didn't, because if she had, then it would have become obvious as a lie. Because if Harry would have told the Queen that his wife was suicidal, she wouldn't have ignored it. Not after Diana. They have learned since then. Remember how Kates family had been treated even pre wedding? years before any engagement? Then there is this second marriage lie. I am sure the ABC will soon clarify what went down, as surely it wasn't a legal wedding. But Meghan wanted that American kitsch wedding, which she already had twice before. The description really fits her television soap career. It goes to show that Harry married his mom. A lying drama queen. Diana took her storyline from Barbara Cartland, whereas Meghan takes hers from as the world turns and the like. That's why she never made it as an actress on the big screen and why she never made it in Hollywood. She was already too old to make it when she met Harry. Had she seen any chance for her to make it in Hollywood, she wouldn't have given him a second thought. Harry is not a catch. You need a lobotomy to support him 24/7. She knew she didn't have a chance and Harry was her way out. Just as Rainier was to Grace, though she had already won an Oscar and knew she was nearing her sell by date as she wasn't a character actress. She didn't need to give up acting in her position. There is precedence and since Harry was getting bumped down the line with every baby, they would have understood. An actress passionate about acting, wouldn't have given up that easily. But she wasn't and it shows. She was never more than those high school performers. I don't even know if she ever properly learned the trade. I think she was on a smaller scale emulating Gwynny. Since she knew that her acting wouldn't feed her, she tried it via marriage, then with a blog and a website. Nothing seems to have gathered enough following to finance the lifestyle she craved. It is interesting, how she claims wanting to protect Archie and then throwing him in front of a camera. Sorry, but as a private person she has no need to parade him around. I don't remember seeing such private images of George, Harry or William at that age.
Also there seems to be a lot of crying going on. Her mother, her friends? I don't think anyone has ever cried on my behalf, because I was treated unfairly. It wouldn't have been helpful either. This really is soo american soap, and a bad one as that. And I don't believe for one second, that this is their last word on his family. There will be a statement with regards to racism and title and the queen will express sadness about not being told about suicide thoughts. The ABC will make a statement about that soap wedding and in the weeks to come we will be hearing more details about the Kate incidents and Harrys racism. I think the queen will be harder to reach and William will ignore him entirely for some time. Charles will probably after a while have very superficial contact again, mostly though for the grandkids. I don't think they will have the effect they wish for in the US. Black Americans out of a job will have little sympathy for a couple who was forced to take millions from netflix and spotify to support their lifestyle, while they struggle to feed their kids. Sorry, but these 2 live in quite a bubble and that is about to burst. Badly. They might end up replacing the Kardashians revealing more private life than they ever wanted to and it will end up in divorce. Isn't it noticeable that such overexposure never means a happy marriage? I am really sure that had they asked to keep a low profile, it would have been granted. I do remember that at one point Charles was looking for an estate for Harry in Wales or sth. Except Harry lacks all education to actually run an estate. William went back to university for extra qualification. For Harry learning or qualifying was ever an option. All he ever qualified for was to kill people. Not really sth to make a career off outside the military....
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Post by paca on Mar 8, 2021 11:56:25 GMT -5
btw no word really about HER family, her sister, her father, her brother. She was an only child? Really? waiting for her dad to call her out on that one. She has spent a large part of her childhood living with her dad. She is bound to have had some sort of relationship with her sibblings during that time. There are photos. And Where was her mother? Why didn't she come over to support her only child, who couldn't be left alone? The interview should be renamed trash the windsors, because that is the only topic. What I really want to know is: did Oprah ask her to pull the racism card or did she come up with it herself? I am sure that there would have been no interview without any exaggerated topics. I do believe that she might have been emotional during her pregnancy. So have I. I contemplated giving up my kids for adoption, because I believed that they deserved better parents than us. Pregnancy, especially a first, is a time of doubt, overwhelming emotions and a roller coaster from happyness to doom in 2 seconds. So yeah, what she went through is pretty normal. If there had been anything more, her doctor would have ordered her to get help. The bhp would not have dared to overrule a doctors order, had there been real concern. Also how come Oprah did not question Harry about his income? I am sure that most Americans have to pay their own bills once they are 18. And Harry complains about footing his own bills from his 30 plus million inheritance? In his mid thirties? Even without work he could have lead a comfortable life just on that. And then judging his brother and father? Saying they are trapped? They don't look trapped. In fact Charles seems to be rather proud of his achievements as Prince of Wales. He went into organic farming long before it became mainstream. And boy was he mocked for it. The prince talking to plants. And William? It doesn't seem that he feels trapped. Actually he found his own niche talking on mental health. It clearly is a life topic for him, probably also in view of healing himself and preventing his children from mental health issues. And Kate is supporting him whilst focussing herself on children. The plus in the BRF is that everyone can find their own topic to bring to the forefront and shine a light. Like Camilla having finally found her topic of domestic violence against women. If race was Meghans topic, she could have found plenty to do there and she might have been able to actually change sth. She just would have had to always play second fiddle to Will and Kate. And Harry could have continued to support military personel and wearing his beloved uniforms. With the variety of interest in a large family like theirs is that you can always send someone who is actually interested in the event they are attending. The Queen never had a specific topic, but she sent Princess Michael to tennis and CHarles to farmers. they were all allowed there own specific voice. Meghan could have had hers, had she chosen to properly establish it. For the BRF it has to be real and lasting. It is not sth you do to land a job in Hollywood.
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Post by paca on Mar 8, 2021 12:31:21 GMT -5
another thing: with regards to Meghans claims about being naive and not knowing what she was in for, is contradicted by both of them in their very first interview. Were they lying then? are they lying now? It just looks like meghan watch the panorama interview and gave her own version of throwing in racism. She thus burnt all bridges to the UK. Harry is now completely on his own, alienated from everything and everyone he knew, believing that it was his decision. From my pov he is now fully in the hands of a malignant narcissist. It won't end well.
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Post by paca on Mar 8, 2021 13:20:33 GMT -5
LOL the more I read, the more it turns out 2 h of lying with a straight face. Parties for the press at the palace? Really? What script has she been reading. The 2nd wedding has been debunked as a lie, the press party, they debunked themselves when lying about being naive. Anyone who still cares can watch their 1st interview in which both of them state how she was well prepared, spoke to everyone etc. We are talking a woman in her mid 30s, confident. Compare that to Diana slumped in her chair with red cheeks, terrifyed. A teenager hounded on the street, literally falling all over themselves to get a glimpse at her. Meghan never played in that league. Just imagine if we would have had social media then. By wednesday real journalists will have done some factchecking and these dimwits will have lost all credibility. I wonder if spotify and netflix still want to be associated with pathological liars.
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Post by agentf on Mar 8, 2021 18:16:03 GMT -5
There's a plethora of things to get hooked on, obviously. And that's what it is : a buffet of lamentations, grievances etc that the twosome want to serve the royal family, but for instance if Harry doesn't relay her mental breakdown, who's to blame between him and his grandmother?! The most glaring thing is that they don't examine their actions whatsoever. It's everyone else's fault. They are the only ones who are right, (according to them). And you're right, in America parents are not necessarily obligated to their children once they reach maturity. These two keep piling up the excuses to try to obligate the royal family to them. Itโs utterly dishonest IMO. They want their cake, behave poorly, AND eat it too. ๐
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Post by paca on Mar 8, 2021 19:00:31 GMT -5
Philip once said that the queen has an abundance of patience. And it's true. But this lot really has been pushing it, by piling lie unto lie unto lie. When asked if anyone has expressed sadness about them leaving, the correct answer would have been yes. The queen did and very publicly so. The problem is that Harry is hopelessly undereducated and apparently illiterate, otherwise I don't get why he doesn't get that The queen did not want to see them go, but accepted their wishes. She expressed her sadness. What else was she supposed to do? I think those who said for Meghan it was never enough, are right. Eventually people told them to grow up and own their decision. Which they are refusing. They are constantly contradicting themselves. Meghan says she doesn't care for titles, yet she is massively adrived that Archie didn't get one. Meghan says she always wanted siblings. Well, she had them. they just weren't to her taste. Same with her father. He wasn't to her taste, so she chucked him. She claims she is grieving him. Well, he ain't dead yet, so pick up the phone and call him, sort things out. In private. And so it goes on and on. Miscommunication and pettiness are at the core of those too. I get that Harry had issues and his problems withCharles run deeper, but not as deep that with proper counselling or mediation, things couldn't be solved. Alas Meghan doesn't want them solved. She wants to be a star. But you can't be the star when you married the 2nd son. And even Kate knows that she always has to step back behind Charles and William. And she seems quite comfartable with it. Guess that's why they gave her back her driving license... That's what the monarchy is about. There is one star and the rest are supporting roles.
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