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Post by paca on Mar 8, 2021 19:03:57 GMT -5
btw Philip doesn't seem to be talking to them, if they have to call the queen to find out how he is doing. Normal people would call Philip, but I think he's had it with them and doesn't pick up.
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Post by agentf on Mar 8, 2021 20:38:12 GMT -5
I had to laugh at Harry's patronizing attitude towards William, of saying he and Charles were the trapped ones. I'm pretty sure neither is the more pathetic one. Why try to put words in their mouths? MM wants a title for Archie so bad so that as divorcée she'd have the excuse for more demands from her next husband, to up her value. Another laughable moment was trying to now reduce Kate to "Waity Katie", which only betrays her enduring jealousy, by seizing on something way before her time. There were many cheap shots, apparently. Philip once said that the queen has an abundance of patience. And it's true. But this lot really has been pushing it, by piling lie unto lie unto lie. When asked if anyone has expressed sadness about them leaving, the correct answer would have been yes. The queen did and very publicly so. The problem is that Harry is hopelessly undereducated and apparently illiterate, otherwise I don't get why he doesn't get that The queen did not want to see them go, but accepted their wishes. She expressed her sadness. What else was she supposed to do? I think those who said for Meghan it was never enough, are right. Eventually people told them to grow up and own their decision. Which they are refusing. They are constantly contradicting themselves. Meghan says she doesn't care for titles, yet she is massively adrived that Archie didn't get one. Meghan says she always wanted siblings. Well, she had them. they just weren't to her taste. Same with her father. He wasn't to her taste, so she chucked him. She claims she is grieving him. Well, he ain't dead yet, so pick up the phone and call him, sort things out. In private. And so it goes on and on. Miscommunication and pettiness are at the core of those too. I get that Harry had issues and his problems withCharles run deeper, but not as deep that with proper counselling or mediation, things couldn't be solved. Alas Meghan doesn't want them solved. She wants to be a star. But you can't be the star when you married the 2nd son. And even Kate knows that she always has to step back behind Charles and William. And she seems quite comfartable with it. Guess that's why they gave her back her driving license... That's what the monarchy is about. There is one star and the rest are supporting roles.
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Post by paca on Mar 8, 2021 21:44:00 GMT -5
in her blog she referred to Kates wedding and the way she was always talked about. I think you are on the right track about her being jealous of Kate. It seems she followed her way before the wedding. Makes me wonder if she would have wished to be married to will instead of his unstable brother. Their is a cheap version of Lady Macbeth there, only strongly tainted by american soap. Wasn't Macbeth a soldier too? One that did what he did best, egged on by his crazy wife? oh, dear. Meghan murdered Shakespeare.
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Post by agentf on Mar 9, 2021 5:28:44 GMT -5
I just had another thought. Recall Robert Eringer's lawsuit from California versus Albert? This interview makes me think of someone laying the case first in the court of public opinion. It makes me think of mounting a case on thin grounds in a place that's legally opportunistic against crowns. Add to that an audience that's hugely ignorant of English customs, prone to be worked up. I personally would begin investigating Meghan at this point, to see who may be behind her. It's nice to be republican, but messing with other country's political systems is not. in her blog she referred to Kates wedding and the way she was always talked about. I think you are on the right track about her being jealous of Kate. It seems she followed her way before the wedding. Makes me wonder if she would have wished to be married to will instead of his unstable brother. Their is a cheap version of Lady Macbeth there, only strongly tainted by american soap. Wasn't Macbeth a soldier too? One that did what he did best, egged on by his crazy wife? oh, dear. Meghan murdered Shakespeare.
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Post by paca on Mar 9, 2021 7:18:52 GMT -5
well, the WH was a bit quick to take Meghans side, Which I think is highly unprofessional, especially since she is telling mostly lies and makes unsubstantiated accusations. One British commentator called her naughty making the racism statement. He said these conversations can't have taken place, as the matter is crystal clear. Also it is entirely rubbish what they say about security. It is not up to the queen to decide who gets security and who doesn't. It's PRiti Patel. I think there will be a lot of statements coming up about all those lies. Her friends have already backpedalled on her 2nd marriage claim. Priti Patel will have to make a statement, the abc and bhp will probably say sth about the title. But apart from the queen, I don't think many people will be speaking to them. The Markles habe debunked her only child claims, as well as Samantha changing her name. It is too bad, that everyone can prove her to have lied and even Harry contradicts her claims. Thanks to her dad Harrys Nazi dress is back in the news. I think that gives everyone an idea about Harrys own racism. I just don't get why they tell so many blatent lies. Lies that can so easily be disproved. I get that Meghan thought they have to give this big interview and to put things out there for the American public to see, regardless of truth. Sadly she is playing to the American public. And sadly she thinks that the american public that didn't vote for trump (and that is her audience) is just as dumb as the trumpists. She has learned from trump and is using his tactics. And she is betting on them not attacking her because she is a woman, because she is black and because she is pregnant. I just don't get exactly what they are trying to achieve. I really don't think that William will want anything to do with Harry, after she dragged Kate into her hate campaign. And I also think that Charles must be deeply disappointed, so I don't think he will be taking Harrys calls for some time. I don't think that Philip has spoken to them since they first announced Megxit. And I doubt he will ever speak to them again. Not sure if Fergie and her daughters would want to be in touch, once it boils down to Andrew making the colour remark. Though it does make you wonder then, why the yorks would be involved, as apparently they spent a lot of time with them at royal lodge and even became neighbours. Interesting also that Elton has not run to their defence yet. So far only Americans and Canadians have spoken on her behalf. I think the fact that they are only attacking and not reflect on their own mistakes says it all. Sure there is no rulebook for being a royal, but there is a chief of protocol and Meghan could have asked him loads of questions and if he couldn't answer them, then ask who could. Also that thing about the anthem, doesn't Harry know it? Why would you need to google, if you have a British husband who should know it? It is all so inconsistent and petty. She wants to be seen as naive, but at the same time as a perfectionist. She doesn't get that she can't be both. I still do think that she is playing Harry, who really is incredibly dumb, and that a huge part of this interview was to alienate him from everything he has ever known and make him entirely dependent on her. And at the same time she wants him to think that it is his choice. That he saved her. But what will happen when he realizes that she didn't need saving and that everything was a lie? What will he do when he finds out that she was playing him from day one? I really think that this won't end well. Let's hope that a bitter divorce is the worst case scenario...
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Post by agentf on Mar 9, 2021 10:11:09 GMT -5
Well, as MM herself admitted, she has mental health issues and hopefully is under treatment and her words have to be taken under that scope - that she is mentally unwell. Don't get me started about the Canadians, I don't really want to delve into conspiracy at the moment but both the local entertainment machine and her BF's background are the same pool - from Howie Mandel to the Mirvishes to the Brownsteins. It's all pretty incestuous. And they're barely one degree from Trump's Canadian connection(s). But if, as they say, their relationship to HM his grandmother is healthy, then why TF do this to her?!? Why mar the rest of her up to now stellar reign? They should apologize. It's beyond the pale. well, the WH was a bit quick to take Meghans side, Which I think is highly unprofessional, especially since she is telling mostly lies and makes unsubstantiated accusations. One British commentator called her naughty making the racism statement. He said these conversations can't have taken place, as the matter is crystal clear. Also it is entirely rubbish what they say about security. It is not up to the queen to decide who gets security and who doesn't. It's PRiti Patel. I think there will be a lot of statements coming up about all those lies. Her friends have already backpedalled on her 2nd marriage claim. Priti Patel will have to make a statement, the abc and bhp will probably say sth about the title. But apart from the queen, I don't think many people will be speaking to them. The Markles habe debunked her only child claims, as well as Samantha changing her name. It is too bad, that everyone can prove her to have lied and even Harry contradicts her claims. Thanks to her dad Harrys Nazi dress is back in the news. I think that gives everyone an idea about Harrys own racism. I just don't get why they tell so many blatent lies. Lies that can so easily be disproved. I get that Meghan thought they have to give this big interview and to put things out there for the American public to see, regardless of truth. Sadly she is playing to the American public. And sadly she thinks that the american public that didn't vote for trump (and that is her audience) is just as dumb as the trumpists. She has learned from trump and is using his tactics. And she is betting on them not attacking her because she is a woman, because she is black and because she is pregnant. I just don't get exactly what they are trying to achieve. I really don't think that William will want anything to do with Harry, after she dragged Kate into her hate campaign. And I also think that Charles must be deeply disappointed, so I don't think he will be taking Harrys calls for some time. I don't think that Philip has spoken to them since they first announced Megxit. And I doubt he will ever speak to them again. Not sure if Fergie and her daughters would want to be in touch, once it boils down to Andrew making the colour remark. Though it does make you wonder then, why the yorks would be involved, as apparently they spent a lot of time with them at royal lodge and even became neighbours. Interesting also that Elton has not run to their defence yet. So far only Americans and Canadians have spoken on her behalf. I think the fact that they are only attacking and not reflect on their own mistakes says it all. Sure there is no rulebook for being a royal, but there is a chief of protocol and Meghan could have asked him loads of questions and if he couldn't answer them, then ask who could. Also that thing about the anthem, doesn't Harry know it? Why would you need to google, if you have a British husband who should know it? It is all so inconsistent and petty. She wants to be seen as naive, but at the same time as a perfectionist. She doesn't get that she can't be both. I still do think that she is playing Harry, who really is incredibly dumb, and that a huge part of this interview was to alienate him from everything he has ever known and make him entirely dependent on her. And at the same time she wants him to think that it is his choice. That he saved her. But what will happen when he realizes that she didn't need saving and that everything was a lie? What will he do when he finds out that she was playing him from day one? I really think that this won't end well. Let's hope that a bitter divorce is the worst case scenario...
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Post by paca on Mar 9, 2021 11:09:03 GMT -5
I also noticed that come to her defence are all signed with the same agency that die Weinsteins bullying campaign. Meghan was and is represented by them as is Hillary. From day one they had all their clients speak up for her. So the defence isn't real, it is orchastrated, which IMO is really harmful for genuine causes like BLM. You know sth is wrong, when Hilary comes to your defence. I think people need to call them out, show their direct connection to Weinstein and qquestion their credibility. I mean seriously Hilary? After what she did to Monica and all those other women her husband abused? She keeps blurting thing out, when actually every journalist should throw monica in her face. And her weinstein connection. This monster of a politician publicly humiliating women and then having the audacity to pretend she is standing up for women? She threw women under the bus throughout her entire public life. How come she is still around and allowed to give her opinion? Because she is a democrat? or becaus she has dirt on people and they are scared out of their mind? And what does she hope to gain apart from that agency doing her dirty work, when she needs it done? I hope Meghan is aware that she will have to defend all those people publicly in the future, whether she likes it or not? That's how they operate. Hopefully someone will point out again the Weinstein connection of Meghans agent and her defenders. There is a reason why only Americans from that agency stand up for her. Even British BAME journalists say that this not a race issue. Interesting side not. 1 million viewers turned off, when they realized that instead of unforgotten (a brilliant show btw) they had to watch that interview.
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Post by agentf on Mar 9, 2021 12:20:17 GMT -5
Before I forget, Biden's press secretary's words were not fully relayed. Jen Psaki commented on the courage of highlighting mental health and inferred Biden felt the same. However, her next words were about not commenting on "private citizens". But that wasn't the sound bite. Otherwise, of course PR people will make their money off of this. Using Weinstein's mouthpieces is also pretty much like broadcasting you're dealing in controversy. It sells, what can you do? And when the sacrificial lambs walk themselves over to the altar, it's a testament to how self-destructive people can be without the benefit of some perspective or by thinking they have all the answers, without listening to other people and without acknowledging their own shortcomings. We're all guilty of that at one point or another, the thing is not to go global with it as they have. I also noticed that come to her defence are all signed with the same agency that die Weinsteins bullying campaign. Meghan was and is represented by them as is Hillary. From day one they had all their clients speak up for her. So the defence isn't real, it is orchastrated, which IMO is really harmful for genuine causes like BLM. You know sth is wrong, when Hilary comes to your defence. I think people need to call them out, show their direct connection to Weinstein and qquestion their credibility. I mean seriously Hilary? After what she did to Monica and all those other women her husband abused? She keeps blurting thing out, when actually every journalist should throw monica in her face. And her weinstein connection. This monster of a politician publicly humiliating women and then having the audacity to pretend she is standing up for women? She threw women under the bus throughout her entire public life. How come she is still around and allowed to give her opinion? Because she is a democrat? or becaus she has dirt on people and they are scared out of their mind? And what does she hope to gain apart from that agency doing her dirty work, when she needs it done? I hope Meghan is aware that she will have to defend all those people publicly in the future, whether she likes it or not? That's how they operate. Hopefully someone will point out again the Weinstein connection of Meghans agent and her defenders. There is a reason why only Americans from that agency stand up for her. Even British BAME journalists say that this not a race issue. Interesting side not. 1 million viewers turned off, when they realized that instead of unforgotten (a brilliant show btw) they had to watch that interview.
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Post by paca on Mar 9, 2021 12:46:27 GMT -5
I agree. btw just watched part of edwards interview. I have to say, his Nazi antics aside, he was a much better man than Harry will ever be. His empathy for the down trodden seems genuine and he was ver aware of what it would look like to take a rolls when visiting the poor. So he opted for a regular car, which in itself was a luxuary at the time. Looking at him, I'm always reminded of how much the duke of luxemburg looks like him. Edward may have abdicated, but he had respect for his country and his family. And so did Wallis. I think that is why he was continously supported financially and why behind the scenes there remained open channels. With Harry I don't think so, because Meghan doesn't want that. She can control him much better now. I feel so sorry for their children. They deserve better than all this drama.
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Post by paca on Mar 9, 2021 13:01:40 GMT -5
looks like the palace has spoken. Pretty decent statement. QE2 is still holding out an olive branch and says issues will be addressed privately. I think that is as admonishing as it will get publicly. But I am expecting quiet a bit of fallout in the weeks to come, if the dimwits don't stop. Heard the pr secretary comment on the panorama interview. He said they never commented or corrected anything. she said what she said and there was nothing to be done about it. It got her her divorce though and Fergie hers, but Charles never defended himself, although Diana lied. Here at least they state that recollections may vary, which is another way of saying she was naughty... THere are already claims that Haary lied about being cut off by Charles. I really think that if properly probed, there is nothing there to warrant their accusations. There really was no need for this and IMO in time even Harry will see that. I just wonder how one day they will explain this to their children.
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Post by agentf on Mar 9, 2021 16:55:35 GMT -5
After letting everyone else have their say, I think the palace statement was well measured. It's true they were discovering with everyone else, without a heads up, what the couple's grievances are so that's authentic and more compassionate than what was extended to HM my bestie. There's a concession to truth on the "recollections vary" and support for Kate's version of the tearful event in that, but subtly. There's the reminder it's a private family matter. Over all, QE2 is not judging and condemning the duo. But she also sidestepped the mud bath with dexterity and as always, offers them an out. Will they take it? looks like the palace has spoken. Pretty decent statement. QE2 is still holding out an olive branch and says issues will be addressed privately. I think that is as admonishing as it will get publicly. But I am expecting quiet a bit of fallout in the weeks to come, if the dimwits don't stop. Heard the pr secretary comment on the panorama interview. He said they never commented or corrected anything. she said what she said and there was nothing to be done about it. It got her her divorce though and Fergie hers, but Charles never defended himself, although Diana lied. Here at least they state that recollections may vary, which is another way of saying she was naughty... THere are already claims that Haary lied about being cut off by Charles. I really think that if properly probed, there is nothing there to warrant their accusations. There really was no need for this and IMO in time even Harry will see that. I just wonder how one day they will explain this to their children.
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Post by agentf on Mar 9, 2021 16:57:28 GMT -5
I never quite got the whole titillation of the whole Edward - Wallis Simpson thing. They dressed well. That's about it. I agree. btw just watched part of edwards interview. I have to say, his Nazi antics aside, he was a much better man than Harry will ever be. His empathy for the down trodden seems genuine and he was ver aware of what it would look like to take a rolls when visiting the poor. So he opted for a regular car, which in itself was a luxuary at the time. Looking at him, I'm always reminded of how much the duke of luxemburg looks like him. Edward may have abdicated, but he had respect for his country and his family. And so did Wallis. I think that is why he was continously supported financially and why behind the scenes there remained open channels. With Harry I don't think so, because Meghan doesn't want that. She can control him much better now. I feel so sorry for their children. They deserve better than all this drama.
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Post by paca on Mar 9, 2021 18:52:14 GMT -5
I never quite got the whole titillation of the whole Edward - Wallis Simpson thing. They dressed well. That's about it. I agree. btw just watched part of edwards interview. I have to say, his Nazi antics aside, he was a much better man than Harry will ever be. His empathy for the down trodden seems genuine and he was ver aware of what it would look like to take a rolls when visiting the poor. So he opted for a regular car, which in itself was a luxuary at the time. Looking at him, I'm always reminded of how much the duke of luxemburg looks like him. Edward may have abdicated, but he had respect for his country and his family. And so did Wallis. I think that is why he was continously supported financially and why behind the scenes there remained open channels. With Harry I don't think so, because Meghan doesn't want that. She can control him much better now. I feel so sorry for their children. They deserve better than all this drama. different times, I guess. Can you imagine what queen mum would have said of Harry and meghan in between 2 gins?
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Post by agentf on Mar 9, 2021 23:27:24 GMT -5
🥃 "Oh Meghan, Charlene called. She wants her passport story back" ? 🥃 😉 I never quite got the whole titillation of the whole Edward - Wallis Simpson thing. They dressed well. That's about it. different times, I guess. Can you imagine what queen mum would have said of Harry and meghan in between 2 gins?
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Post by paca on Mar 10, 2021 9:10:16 GMT -5
Boy, I never thought I'd say that, but when it comes to Meghan I find myself agreeing with Piers Morgan and Fox news. I think with regards to Hillary they could have torn more into her about her victimizing others, especially women. I think I would have left out Michelle Obama who has actually been giving back, but the bit about rich and powerful stylizing themselves into victims, they have a point. Also about the pettyness and irrelevance of what she complains about. What bothers me though, is that they are only showing women. Let's not forget that Trump should be top on the list with Meghan. He victimized himself and then sent a mob to the capitol. A lot of people have their lives destroyed and are or will be in prison because of him. Meanwhile, he is playing golf.
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Post by agentf on Mar 10, 2021 14:22:14 GMT -5
I rarely watch Fox if ever, and Piers Morgan is too highly excitable for me. I like Loose Women. And the other Brit girls I like to follow. I even watched again Lady C, but had to watch a second time because her tone is so much like my sweet old Portuguese-Guyanese friend, that late at night she lulled me to 😴. Back to Piers Morgan, the 40k complaints hardly jibe with the overwhelming majority in the UK polls that want these two stripped of their titles. I'm guessing it was the troll Sussex Squad. Which goes back to your comment about orchestration through the mutual PR firm in L.A. . It's so facile to attack past British history, and if that's the basis of this latest campaign to overthrow the monarchy, then it's lazy and out of touch because Britain has evolved; Britain has since given most democratic countries their political systems, their liberalism etc. So NOW is when you have this delayed knee-jerk reaction to take it down because of bad apples? Franchement. Live and let live. Let the bad apples get their comeuppance and don't throw out the baby with the bath water. Boy, I never thought I'd say that, but when it comes to Meghan I find myself agreeing with Piers Morgan and Fox news. I think with regards to Hillary they could have torn more into her about her victimizing others, especially women. I think I would have left out Michelle Obama who has actually been giving back, but the bit about rich and powerful stylizing themselves into victims, they have a point. Also about the pettyness and irrelevance of what she complains about. What bothers me though, is that they are only showing women. Let's not forget that Trump should be top on the list with Meghan. He victimized himself and then sent a mob to the capitol. A lot of people have their lives destroyed and are or will be in prison because of him. Meanwhile, he is playing golf.
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Post by paca on Mar 10, 2021 17:38:56 GMT -5
Well, I don't watch any of those shows, just the occasional videobit. I like my news matte of factly presented to me. All that screaming is too much for me. The foxnews bit was only interesting because it gave me an idea, why they would have done this interview. I really don't think the intention, at least for HArry was, to destroy the monarchy. It was to paint them as victims and things were really petty, they had play it down to racism and mental health. the latter worked with Diana, and she would have used race, if she could have. She used instead her womanhood against men in grey suits. I like the comments from her suits father, who is trying to put things into perspective within a pandemic. The world really has more important issues than Meghan. Btw. a diplomatic protection officer just murdered a young woman. Is that the kind of protection she was so desperately seeking for Archie and herself?
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Post by agentf on Mar 10, 2021 20:58:59 GMT -5
An unlikely, but super sound opinion: Well, I don't watch any of those shows, just the occasional videobit. I like my news matte of factly presented to me. All that screaming is too much for me. The foxnews bit was only interesting because it gave me an idea, why they would have done this interview. I really don't think the intention, at least for HArry was, to destroy the monarchy. It was to paint them as victims and things were really petty, they had play it down to racism and mental health. the latter worked with Diana, and she would have used race, if she could have. She used instead her womanhood against men in grey suits. I like the comments from her suits father, who is trying to put things into perspective within a pandemic. The world really has more important issues than Meghan. Btw. a diplomatic protection officer just murdered a young woman. Is that the kind of protection she was so desperately seeking for Archie and herself?
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Post by paca on Mar 11, 2021 13:31:14 GMT -5
We are very much not racist. Well, I guess the queen will have a hard time getting everyone back together. Will seems to be very angry and I think he might just be the one to actually go out there, defend his wife, his father and give their side of it. Ultimately I think that might bring Charles and will closer and by the looks of it more and more people are turning against Meghan. She has already send out her army, trying to silence people and threaten to leak emails. I do believe though that there is a larger number of emails that will be leaked to contradict her. Personally I think that the best way to go about would be to get the parliament involved, get all mails from all sides, interview everyone and then publish a report for everyone to see. That's what you do for transparency and in a democracy. Since all of them have been funded with tax money, I think the parliament has the right to do so. It would also stop the leaking from both sides. I don't think that the dimwits would want that though. If an official report would state, that they lied, they would be in serious trouble. And I believe that the queen wanted to protect them from it by trying to get it sorted in private. Meghan wants her side tried in public and she should get that. The outcome will not be what she wanted though.
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Post by agentf on Mar 11, 2021 16:12:25 GMT -5
Going through the headlines, I came across what you referenced earlier about the British girl killed on her way home, and I'm sidetracked by the fact the guy is a US embassy employee with a Ukrainian connection. It's like another jeer, and a tragic red herring to control the narrative. I digress. I find there wasn't a breath before Meghan went after Piers Morgan's job. Must everyone's head roll? The girl knows people like Catherine are too polite to talk back, and I think Meghan counts exactly on that to cause havoc. I think despite the Swiss cheese of a story, casting the first shot gave her something of an advantage added to the audience captive by their higher sensibilities. She's Trump in a skirt. I hope the royal aides exercise their prerogative. If she can sue, so can others. And it's still a lot more civilized than her stink bomb. We are very much not racist. Well, I guess the queen will have a hard time getting everyone back together. Will seems to be very angry and I think he might just be the one to actually go out there, defend his wife, his father and give their side of it. Ultimately I think that might bring Charles and will closer and by the looks of it more and more people are turning against Meghan. She has already send out her army, trying to silence people and threaten to leak emails. I do believe though that there is a larger number of emails that will be leaked to contradict her. Personally I think that the best way to go about would be to get the parliament involved, get all mails from all sides, interview everyone and then publish a report for everyone to see. That's what you do for transparency and in a democracy. Since all of them have been funded with tax money, I think the parliament has the right to do so. It would also stop the leaking from both sides. I don't think that the dimwits would want that though. If an official report would state, that they lied, they would be in serious trouble. And I believe that the queen wanted to protect them from it by trying to get it sorted in private. Meghan wants her side tried in public and she should get that. The outcome will not be what she wanted though.
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