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Post by paca on Mar 11, 2021 18:32:28 GMT -5
Well, Will just did talk back. He seems to be fuming. I think that Kate doesn't feel it is her place to talk back. She is the opposite to Meghan. But Will is in that respect like Harry wanting to protect his wife and family and the job he is doing. After all his and Kates major concern is mental health. And now comes along Meghan and claims she was suicidle, which I don't think she was. She may have been unhappy or angry, but you don't kill yourself and your unborn child over a tiff. If anything she was hormonal. And yes, when pregnant, you do feel like you never did before. And sometimes it is scary. But she surely wasn't depressed. Anyways, by claiming she was denied help, she openly attacks Will and Kates work. And she attacked Kate by name, without being specific. Everything she said was vague and left open to interpretation. That's why I think the best way forward would be leaving it to parliament to investigate. I think if Will calls Harry, it will just be a shouting match and make things worse, followed up by leaked mails. I think palace staff is just waiting for go to dump a truckload of mails on the tabloids. She had 15 people staff, all experienced, but wouldn't listen to them...
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Post by paca on Mar 13, 2021 12:54:30 GMT -5
I know that people will be furious about the Charly Hebdo cover of Meghan and the Queen, but I find it brilliant. It shows what real racism looks like and what Meghan is accusing the BRF of and what we know did not happen. It puts everything that has been said in on picture and refutes it at the same time. There couldn't be a better image to refute Meghans claims. Didn't she even say that she couldn't breathe? I think the juxtapositioning of George Floyds last words and Meghans claims puts last sundays interview into perspection in a way that none of the columns and artices written world wide. One glance at this image and you have the entire story. It is her let them eat cake moment.
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Post by agentf on Mar 13, 2021 13:14:41 GMT -5
People will interpret it according to their experiences, no doubt. I think it points to the ludicrous nature of the charge, though I'm glad Floyd is commemorated. It's a sophism that skips the crazies in between the two symbolic figures who do bad things through their warped perspectives presumptuously on behalf of the higher authority but don't wait for the actual order one way or the other, like the cop who did that to Taylor probably thinking he'd be welcomed into some subhuman class above his. The problem with Charlie Hebdo is that they slap together their own prejudices one on top of the other, and usually without any degree of compassion for the bigger offense they end up causing. They just don't think though they do master la phrase caricature assassine. I'm very sorry for what Charlie Hebdo underwent, and I aligned myself as I always would - with those who need it - but I would also expect some maturity after undergoing tragedy. It's not always the case. I know that people will be furious about the Charly Hebdo cover of Meghan and the Queen, but I find it brilliant. It shows what real racism looks like and what Meghan is accusing the BRF of and what we know did not happen. It puts everything that has been said in on picture and refutes it at the same time. There couldn't be a better image to refute Meghans claims. Didn't she even say that she couldn't breathe? I think the juxtapositioning of George Floyds last words and Meghans claims puts last sundays interview into perspection in a way that none of the columns and artices written world wide. One glance at this image and you have the entire story. It is her let them eat cake moment.
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Post by paca on Mar 13, 2021 14:01:21 GMT -5
I think when it comes to Charlie Hebdo, people often misunderstand the nature of French caricature. It is not so much about making you laugh as it is about making you think. I think that is why people find it so threatening. If it was about laughing it would be just as quickly forgotten. But by polarising, juxtapositioning or taking a topic and using different context it sticks i your mind. Because you can't help but thinking about it. And yes of course everyone will interpret from their own experiences, but that is what we always do, with every book we read every movie we watch... That's i.e. what you do when you study literature. There are more books written about let's say Kafka, then Kafka actually wrote(there would be even less had his friend destroyed all his unpublished work as he had been asked).
Anyway's Charlie Hebdo stands in the tradition of the enlightenment (which btw is another subtext that can be read into this, especially when you remember that the French also gave the statue of liberty to the Americans, or colonialism etc.), which wants you to use your head and liberate you. It doesn't dictate. it allows you to find your own answer, and especially this one has so many layers that it goes way beyond that irrelevant gibberish of two entitled brats. I think it is very clever and I am sure that Meghan will hate it. I wonder if she will sue...
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Post by agentf on Mar 13, 2021 17:21:36 GMT -5
Du vergisst, dass ich Franzose bin... Nevertheless, I think on the contrary MM would be pleased because it fits her martyr complex. That's what I personally find ludicrous. I think when it comes to Charlie Hebdo, people often misunderstand the nature of French caricature. It is not so much about making you laugh as it is about making you think. I think that is why people find it so threatening. If it was about laughing it would be just as quickly forgotten. But by polarising, juxtapositioning or taking a topic and using different context it sticks i your mind. Because you can't help but thinking about it. And yes of course everyone will interpret from their own experiences, but that is what we always do, with every book we read every movie we watch... That's i.e. what you do when you study literature. There are more books written about let's say Kafka, then Kafka actually wrote(there would be even less had his friend destroyed all his unpublished work as he had been asked). Anyway's Charlie Hebdo stands in the tradition of the enlightenment (which btw is another subtext that can be read into this, especially when you remember that the French also gave the statue of liberty to the Americans, or colonialism etc.), which wants you to use your head and liberate you. It doesn't dictate. it allows you to find your own answer, and especially this one has so many layers that it goes way beyond that irrelevant gibberish of two entitled brats. I think it is very clever and I am sure that Meghan will hate it. I wonder if she will sue...
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Post by paca on Mar 13, 2021 20:15:42 GMT -5
LOL I wasn't aware that your neck of the woods was France.. anyways in my post I was thinking of those who think that a caricature had to be funny and that French caricature is way different to that of other countries, as are their movies and TV. Besides humour does not translate very well. You might have a point with regards to Meghan here, though it ties in very well with the different interpretations. Longterm collective memory will interprete it different to her, but she is bent on wanting to be seen as a victim. If her alleged political ambitions are correct, she would need to drop that act quickly, because as much some people might emphasize for a short while, no one votes for a victim. And what is she going to do if she get's bad press? Throw a hissy fit and leave? I really don't think that many would give her a chance at present. They might like her to campaign for them, but putting millions behind her, when she is too unstable to suck it up over a bridesmaid dress? I don't think so. If she thinks the British press is bad, than she should remember how dirty political campaigns for even minor offices are. I really don't think that she would be able to even get to an election....
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Post by agentf on Mar 14, 2021 7:06:48 GMT -5
There's satire and there's sarcasm. MM is a sarcastic person IMO who lifts themes from actual victims and tries to appose them to her to optimize on waves of sympathy while these run rampant. That's maybe how she hopes to grow her popularity. In the US before Oprah's interview, she was largely ignored by the masses. I was French French up until the eve of the Revolution. From these shores, it's questionable if Enlightenment was less bloody an affair. Think of la Terreur. If everything must be born in blood, I'm not sure I'm interested. The result has been the same: power for the few. At least with a king or queen, they didn't hide. LOL I wasn't aware that your neck of the woods was France.. anyways in my post I was thinking of those who think that a caricature had to be funny and that French caricature is way different to that of other countries, as are their movies and TV. Besides humour does not translate very well. You might have a point with regards to Meghan here, though it ties in very well with the different interpretations. Longterm collective memory will interprete it different to her, but she is bent on wanting to be seen as a victim. If her alleged political ambitions are correct, she would need to drop that act quickly, because as much some people might emphasize for a short while, no one votes for a victim. And what is she going to do if she get's bad press? Throw a hissy fit and leave? I really don't think that many would give her a chance at present. They might like her to campaign for them, but putting millions behind her, when she is too unstable to suck it up over a bridesmaid dress? I don't think so. If she thinks the British press is bad, than she should remember how dirty political campaigns for even minor offices are. I really don't think that she would be able to even get to an election....
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Post by paca on Mar 14, 2021 9:25:39 GMT -5
Well, I don't think we can quite compare today to 1789, even though in some parts of this world it seems we are still there. THe US just about escaped falling back to that time, Myanmar is in the midst of it, though for reverse reasons. Power struggles to this day are often bloody. Humans haven't evolved much. And even though we are right now in another wave of political correctness, I believe it will soon pass, like the one before, with little change remaining. So Meghan can ride her wave for a brief period and then she will regret it.
Anways I have read the article from Candace Owen, which makes for an interesting read. She does, underhandedly say, that Meghan is whitewashing herself. I remember that in the 90s there was quite an outrage in the US about light skinned African americans passing themselves off as white. Meghan IMO has been doing just that. Also the American ond drop stance is racist. Calling Obama a black president is not only racist, but also mysoginist as it erases entirely his mother and his white upbringing. Not that he denied it, he was open about it, but too lazy to constantly correct those who wanted to distort his biography for ther own purposes. Sadly the Obamas were too busy, to point out that being coloured has many aspects, as does being white. Not every white person is privileged. Instead of race the emphasis should be on what makes you poor. Colour can be one factor, lack of education, drug abuse, gender etc. I think, if we focus on eliminating poverty, the disadvantage of colour may lessen as well, as we can see, even if you are born into the most priviledged white family on this planet, you can still feel treated unfairly, because like Harry and Andrew, you were born too late. Funny though that Anne never seems to have harboured a grudge and just gone about her business. Ultimately it all boils down to character.
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Post by agentf on Mar 14, 2021 12:40:32 GMT -5
The reference to the Revolution was yours, remember? Meanwhile, plunking QE2 in lieu of the American killer of Floyd is like comparing apples and oranges, but it does reveal how the US supporters of MM do want to re-enact the US revolution centuries later, and not acknowledge the freedom of choice that was exercised by MM. No one put a gun to her head to marry Harry, on the contrary. So now she regrets her choice? Why involve everyone? She's stretching to dovetail her issues into a greater societal existential problem of rebelling without a cause. People need to develop creativity and move forward, not just marinate and metastasize to bring everything and everyone down in the murkiness of their intentions. Well, I don't think we can quite compare today to 1789, even though in some parts of this world it seems we are still there. THe US just about escaped falling back to that time, Myanmar is in the midst of it, though for reverse reasons. Power struggles to this day are often bloody. Humans haven't evolved much. And even though we are right now in another wave of political correctness, I believe it will soon pass, like the one before, with little change remaining. So Meghan can ride her wave for a brief period and then she will regret it. Anways I have read the article from Candace Owen, which makes for an interesting read. She does, underhandedly say, that Meghan is whitewashing herself. I remember that in the 90s there was quite an outrage in the US about light skinned African americans passing themselves off as white. Meghan IMO has been doing just that. Also the American ond drop stance is racist. Calling Obama a black president is not only racist, but also mysoginist as it erases entirely his mother and his white upbringing. Not that he denied it, he was open about it, but too lazy to constantly correct those who wanted to distort his biography for ther own purposes. Sadly the Obamas were too busy, to point out that being coloured has many aspects, as does being white. Not every white person is privileged. Instead of race the emphasis should be on what makes you poor. Colour can be one factor, lack of education, drug abuse, gender etc. I think, if we focus on eliminating poverty, the disadvantage of colour may lessen as well, as we can see, even if you are born into the most priviledged white family on this planet, you can still feel treated unfairly, because like Harry and Andrew, you were born too late. Funny though that Anne never seems to have harboured a grudge and just gone about her business. Ultimately it all boils down to character.
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Post by paca on Mar 14, 2021 19:29:13 GMT -5
If we can trust the media, then Meghan brokered the deal with Oprah. Harry, being driven by his own issues, allowed her to be in the driving seat. I think that we would be giving her way too much credit, planning some sort of revolution. She is and always has been a bad actress, like a lot of pretty women in LA. There are many faces just like hers. Just look at some of the pics of her with friends.They all look very similar. She doesn't stick out, neither by looks, nor by talent or intelligence. She is ambitious, but she lacks all qualities to achieve what she has set out for. Harry is her claim to universal fame. Only by cutting him off from everyone and evrything he has ever known, she gets total control over him and the narrative. I don't know to what end, but she is a control freak and now she has ultimate control over him and their lovestory. I am worried about the end though. What will happen when Harry realizes that he has been played? That his hurt has been used against him? In Germany Diana was often compared to Sisi, empress of Austria. Let's hope Harry doesn't emulate her son. Anyways, there seems to be compition again and George,Charlotte and louis are being dragged into it. So far I have considered Will and Kate reasonable parents, but why drag the kids into the whole Diana drama? A grandmother they have never known. Of course she will be spoken about and the kids will ask questions, but can't that be kept private? And Harry in retaliation has to publicly announce that he has had flowers delivered to her grave... Really??? only in 2021? what happened all those other years, when we weren't publicly informed? I remember a few years ago reports that her grave was in a rather neglected state and that they didn't visit very often... Make up your mind lad...
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Post by agentf on Mar 14, 2021 20:28:54 GMT -5
She and her supporters want to reinvent the wheel, there's no credit given there. As per William and Harry, they need to take it outside. They'd be more normal showing up at the Diana statue unveiling if they were bruised up but over it. They're holding up the universe with this sissy glove slapping. If we can trust the media, then Meghan brokered the deal with Oprah. Harry, being driven by his own issues, allowed her to be in the driving seat. I think that we would be giving her way too much credit, planning some sort of revolution. She is and always has been a bad actress, like a lot of pretty women in LA. There are many faces just like hers. Just look at some of the pics of her with friends.They all look very similar. She doesn't stick out, neither by looks, nor by talent or intelligence. She is ambitious, but she lacks all qualities to achieve what she has set out for. Harry is her claim to universal fame. Only by cutting him off from everyone and evrything he has ever known, she gets total control over him and the narrative. I don't know to what end, but she is a control freak and now she has ultimate control over him and their lovestory. I am worried about the end though. What will happen when Harry realizes that he has been played? That his hurt has been used against him? In Germany Diana was often compared to Sisi, empress of Austria. Let's hope Harry doesn't emulate her son. Anyways, there seems to be compition again and George,Charlotte and louis are being dragged into it. So far I have considered Will and Kate reasonable parents, but why drag the kids into the whole Diana drama? A grandmother they have never known. Of course she will be spoken about and the kids will ask questions, but can't that be kept private? And Harry in retaliation has to publicly announce that he has had flowers delivered to her grave... Really??? only in 2021? what happened all those other years, when we weren't publicly informed? I remember a few years ago reports that her grave was in a rather neglected state and that they didn't visit very often... Make up your mind lad...
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Post by paca on Mar 14, 2021 21:30:38 GMT -5
To be honest, they should leave the unveiling to her sisters, or find an opportunity to show themselves together beforehand. Otherwise the focus will be on every move and look and taking away from remembering their mum. Or Harry should graciously bow out- Shouldn't be too hard given the new babies due date. Either it's the impending birth or he could claim Meghan couldn't be left alone due to post partum depression. It's another topic she hasn't addressed yet and since 2 is it, this her last chance. Eventually she will claim to have suffered that too, after she ventured on Chrissy Teigens and Hilaria Baldwins miscarriage turf. Guess it is too late to fake an accent and claim adifferent nationality...
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Post by agentf on Mar 15, 2021 6:42:33 GMT -5
It's becoming a dreaded event. Reminds me of my mom's funeral and one brother too who poisoned the family well with his lies. You can't change people's minds when they want to believe the lie. You just have to be patient until the lie bites him in the @ss. It feels awful but you keep moving forward. My brother always wanted to be the center of attention. Then we grew up and he didn’t know what to do with his life. He wanted to do what each of us was doing, whether music, fashion or graphic design, but it didn't work out for him. So he drank. Eventually he picked on this cokehead friend who was jeopardizing his family business and took his place; took my school funding from my dad, and even had me help with his marketing campaign. Brothers like that are leeches. They don't stop sucking the life out of others. To be honest, they should leave the unveiling to her sisters, or find an opportunity to show themselves together beforehand. Otherwise the focus will be on every move and look and taking away from remembering their mum. Or Harry should graciously bow out- Shouldn't be too hard given the new babies due date. Either it's the impending birth or he could claim Meghan couldn't be left alone due to post partum depression. It's another topic she hasn't addressed yet and since 2 is it, this her last chance. Eventually she will claim to have suffered that too, after she ventured on Chrissy Teigens and Hilaria Baldwins miscarriage turf. Guess it is too late to fake an accent and claim adifferent nationality...
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Post by paca on Mar 15, 2021 10:22:29 GMT -5
guess every family has the one member that doesn't fit in. I took myself out of that toxic family when my dad died, though I do miss some of it's members. But there had to be a clean cut to avoid anything to be leaked to the troublemakers. Fighting a malicious narcissist ex takes up enough energy, especially when he engages government agencies and courts to do his dirty work. Having a legally binding court order doesn't help you one bit. And then he tries to set out to do the same to the kids out of revenge for telling the court when they were little that they did not want to live with him. It always baffled me, why someone who has gotten married and supposedly moved on, still has the need to control and interfere with our lives, destroying his children's lives just for the fun of it. But I have learned the lesson from him and letting the IRS lose on him. Decades of tax avoiding might eventually catch up with him....The taxman put an end to Al Capone, maybe he can put an end to me being harrassed.
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Post by agentf on Mar 15, 2021 19:27:12 GMT -5
Your ex probably bases his entire manhood on the fatherhood you gave him and he subconsciously resents he's a fraud so he channels his self-loathing on you, knowing that you are bound by the children not to hurt him back in return because you actually value your kids ' wellbeing and he doesn't so much. With my sibling, for me it was not wanting to ruin my aging parents' illusions. I just left them all with their "cinema". And I had glorious pets instead. 😊 guess every family has the one member that doesn't fit in. I took myself out of that toxic family when my dad died, though I do miss some of it's members. But there had to be a clean cut to avoid anything to be leaked to the troublemakers. Fighting a malicious narcissist ex takes up enough energy, especially when he engages government agencies and courts to do his dirty work. Having a legally binding court order doesn't help you one bit. And then he tries to set out to do the same to the kids out of revenge for telling the court when they were little that they did not want to live with him. It always baffled me, why someone who has gotten married and supposedly moved on, still has the need to control and interfere with our lives, destroying his children's lives just for the fun of it. But I have learned the lesson from him and letting the IRS lose on him. Decades of tax avoiding might eventually catch up with him....The taxman put an end to Al Capone, maybe he can put an end to me being harrassed.
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Post by paca on Mar 16, 2021 13:49:17 GMT -5
Your ex probably bases his entire manhood on the fatherhood you gave him and he subconsciously resents he's a fraud so he channels his self-loathing on you, knowing that you are bound by the children not to hurt him back in return because you actually value your kids ' wellbeing and he doesn't so much. With my sibling, for me it was not wanting to ruin my aging parents' illusions. I just left them all with their "cinema". And I had glorious pets instead. 😊 Well, in that case, one would expect that he would actually keep in touch with them, wouldn't you? Well he hasn't. At all. No calls, no cards, no gifts, no visits. Early on still claims to intentions for gifts, but none ever arrived. He always said that I was like his mum, but in fact he is. I am still waiting for those knitted socks she wanted to send, when she heard I was expecting (never had any contact to her even though I did try in the beginning) and those bikes he wanted to gift the kids about 10 years ago.... These days I find pets the least stressful companions. They don't argue, they don't throw hissy fits when the wifi is down and they show their love unreservedly. Also they don't take more from you than you can give. Humans often get unbalanced in relationships. Pets don't. Also they don't tell you how to live your life or create so much trouble that you don't have enough energy for your own life.
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Post by paca on Mar 16, 2021 14:05:40 GMT -5
Anyways, I think a new phase has begun. Now Meghan leaks everything straight to the press. Alienation part 2. Harry has always claimed how careful he was about people leaking things. Now we know that Meghan relates everything straight to her friends, who then go to the press. (Charles should sue her and Gayle King for breach of privacy as surely Charles can expect, that calls to his son will not be discussed the next morning in US morning TV. Same rules should apply for Charles and Will as Meghan wants for herself.) It is unlikely that anyone will speak to them about anything relevant at this rate. Why would they? Harry didn't want this, he used to claim. So why does he do this now? She still seems to be selling it to him about getting their truth out there, but for how long? Meghan has cut her father off for doing this, so why does she think the BRF will continue to talk to them? I think the queen will to a degree keep lines open, because that is who she is. But I don't think Charles and Will are the same. And I think in time Harry will see, that this is not the way to go about it and will be pulling away from her tactics. I think that is when we will see a change. I'm sure that Harry knows that with enough groveling on his part he can always come back with Archie and his sister and would receive all the support he needs. But Meghan will be pretty much on her own with a few flying monkeys.
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Post by agentf on Mar 16, 2021 14:20:58 GMT -5
Good points. Me, I was reading about Tina Turner and the racism and abuse SHE endured, and her capacity to overcome is far more inspiring. She's a pop figure with nobility of spirit, and far more humility and grace. I hope she enjoys her retirement. Her songs have punctuated eras in many people's lives, God bless her. THAT is class As per pets, I can never say anything good enough about them. So 🥂 to pets! You should drop me a line, we could go on about this stuff and then let it go. The life they take is not worth giving them the whole lot of it. It's important to be happy, and sometimes a bit more selfish. Anyways, I think a new phase has begun. Now Meghan leaks everything straight to the press. Alienation part 2. Harry has always claimed how careful he was about people leaking things. Now we know that Meghan relates everything straight to her friends, who then go to the press. (Charles should sue her and Gayle King for breach of privacy as surely Charles can expect, that calls to his son will not be discussed the next morning in US morning TV. Same rules should apply for Charles and Will as Meghan wants for herself.) It is unlikely that anyone will speak to them about anything relevant at this rate. Why would they? Harry didn't want this, he used to claim. So why does he do this now? She still seems to be selling it to him about getting their truth out there, but for how long? Meghan has cut her father off for doing this, so why does she think the BRF will continue to talk to them? I think the queen will to a degree keep lines open, because that is who she is. But I don't think Charles and Will are the same. And I think in time Harry will see, that this is not the way to go about it and will be pulling away from her tactics. I think that is when we will see a change. I'm sure that Harry knows that with enough groveling on his part he can always come back with Archie and his sister and would receive all the support he needs. But Meghan will be pretty much on her own with a few flying monkeys.
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Post by paca on Mar 16, 2021 16:56:22 GMT -5
You should drop me a line, we could go on about this stuff and then let it go. The life they take is not worth giving them the whole lot of it. It's important to be happy, and sometimes a bit more selfish. Well, thx to Meghaz, I am feeling a bit Royal these days. So I can empathize, but how do you come back from this when you don't have QE2 around? When certain lines are crossed, I think that, family or not, it might be better to go seperate ways. It is just a shame when it really is just petty little things that started it all. Sometimes, no contact for a while can help, but then it get's longer and longer and you lose touch and then eventually you may regret not reaching out. Then again it is also painful to watch when people you care about, just won't accept advise or help.
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Post by agentf on Mar 16, 2021 18:45:02 GMT -5
The thing is Harry doesn't realize the contempt that his wife shows his family is the underlying contempt she has for him.
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